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Rangers Analysis: Blueshirts Showing Similarities to Last Year

[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 11/22/09 3:32 PM EST Nick from Rangers Tribune has agreed to join the team here and we couldn't be happier. Nick is a terrific writer, and has a great eye for the game. We welcome Nick today with his first story, and are happy to have him]

Before I start, I would just like to introduce myself as I am new here on Blueshirt Banter. My name is Nick and I currently write on the Rangers Tribune and was asked by Jim if I would like to join the team here on Blueshirt Banter this past week. I did not even have to think about it because I knew what a great job they did on this site as well as the level of knowledge they both have of the Rangers and the game of hockey itself. Anyway, I am thrilled to be a part of the Banter family and am looking forward to interacting with each and every one of you while I am here. Thanks for your support.


Over the past few games, something has come to my attention when watching this struggling Ranger team. Much like last season when they were coached by Tom Renney, the Blueshirts are lacking urgency in their game, at least until the final few minutes when they realize that they need to get the game tied up. This has reminded me of the 08-09 season far too much for my liking, and it is quite surprising that this team is continuously coming out flat with a coach like John Tortorella, who has a rough and tough reputation around the National Hockey League.

Take last night for example. The Rangers were being out hustled for a majority of the game and were being beat to loose pucks. This had them down 2-1 late in the second period when they began to pour it on and get a forecheck going in the offensive zone. It was actually the line of Avery, Anisimov, and Lisin who were bringing the Garden crowd to life, and they came quite close to finding the back of the net several times but could not finish. What else is new?

This was followed up by the Lisin, Higgins, and Callahan threesome who also put great pressure on the Panthers, but once again, could not bury a goal. Both Ryan Callahan and Christopher Higgins shot right into the pads of a sprawled Vokoun when all they had to do was give the puck some elevation and they would have had goals. So the second period ended on a good note even though the Rangers did not score.

Now, you would think that after that explosive final two minutes heading into intermission that the team would come out firing right from the drop of the puck. Well, it was actually anything but that, as New York, once again, came up with nothing and were being out-played by the Cats. The lack of effort resulted in what would turn out to be the game winner by Nathan Horton of the Panthers. After a goal by Marian Gaborik about four minutes later, the Blueshirts began to pick their heads up and go on the attack. Despite some exceptional effort, the Rangers continued to try the same play where they would work the boards and attempt to get the puck to the net.....Clearly it did not work out too well. The team was not shooting much, and I think that is one of the differences between the seven game winning streak Rangers and the one win in five games Rangers, but that is not my point.

My point is this. In both the second an third periods, the offense did not begin to display any sort of life in their game until the last five or so minutes in the stanza. That is when thee began to panic and realized that they did not have much time to tie the game. Sound familiar to last season? You bet it does. The Blueshirts are presenting themselves as a lifeless, unmotivated club right now, and they are not going to get anywhere with their current frame of mind. I mean, even after Gaborik scored the goal there were shifts when the players showed nothing, but then Tortorella went right back to the Gaborik line and they would suddenly gain momentum and create scoring chances.

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So I talked with Joe Fortunato in length about the team at the conclusion of last night's loss and he brought up something that I thought would create some conversation here on the site. Last season, the lack of life from the Rangers was partly blamed on the fact that Tom Renney did not have full control over his team. So, for the Rangers to come out with a lack-luster effort after an opportunistic end to the second period really makes me wonder if John Tortorella has lost this team already. Now do not get me wrong, I am not saying that he has, because I obviously am not hearing what is said behind closed doors, but for the team to have no energy entering the third is quite alarming.

Tortorella preaches that the team must play 60-minute games in order to get wins, but in all honesty, if you have a coach that is supposedly "fiery" but cannot get his team going or grab their attention, then it is going to be quite a struggle to get them to play a full sixty minutes as opposed to the spurts of offensive that they had in last night's game, the Capitals game, as well as many others over thecourse of the season the season.

As the losses mount, this team becomes increasingly frustrating to watch, especially when you watch them in person as Joe and I did on Saturday. But hey, why not let out a little steam on my first post as an Official Blueshirt Banter writer? I can't even watch football to calm myself today because the Jets are pretty much done, so I guess it is just time to wait and see what the Rangers play like tomorrow when they host the Blue Jackets at MSG.

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Welcome to the Banter Nick!

Nice meeting you yesterday!

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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 22, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

and it was nice meeting you too!

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by Nick Montemagno on Nov 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I blame this on not having enough fiery type guys on your team. The Rangers as a group to me look to be far too passive. Not enough guys that play with emotion.

Nick, there is something we need to clear up…….you’re a Jet fan?

This will be Nick’s last post.

Kidding………maybe

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Nov 22, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

:)

Yes….unfortunately

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by Nick Montemagno on Nov 22, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i hear that

they’ve been downright depressing to watch lately….

by Rangerguy on Nov 23, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This has certianly been a painful few weeks

and getting more painful by the day when watching this team fall apart. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it. I think this team is living the pampered life in NYC and not focused on kick ass hockey. From the fancy training complex, lavish dinners, all the way to the star goalie taking his lamborghini to practices. And on top of that, mgmt (mostly sather) has assembled the wrong group of players they are not willing to just get the f out of. These players are investments by both our franchise and the fans, and when your investments perform lousy day after day, cut your losses and get out. Especially if they are getting worse. At this pace we could end up being one of the worst teams in the leauge.

Going back to events of this summer, I thought that Heately, adding an additional superstar to the roster, would have been worth the gamble and probaby paid off big for us. I mean how well have dubi and staal paid off? This is an example of the mistakes and missed opportunities that have crippled our teams chances at success. We had a golden opportunity where Heater would have dressed blue and they blew it. You think Steinbrenner would have nonchalantly passed on a superstar wanting to play for the yanks? hahaha As much as I dislike him he would have done the right thing.

What we need to do to this team to fix it is a complete overhall and removal of rotten eggs spoiling the bunch. We have plenty of spare parts and b players and good prospects in the farm system. We need to start trading up into better and tougher players and admit our mistakes, and focusing on HUNGRY youth who are not focused on extending their wealth by squeezing out a few more years in weath accumulation.

And as sad as it makes me, I think torts is proving he has come to us not as-advertised. He looks like he is lollygagging around the city with his team on his nights off. The hockey bootcamp I expected is nowhere to be seen. We need a rough tough coach is not afraid to jump on the ice and fight if his team won’t. If I were him, I’d be running our boys down manhatten streets after every loss yelling WE WILL NOT LET NY DOWN. I honestly thought we had the Joe Torre of hockey who would bring us championships, with fire and no nonsense, instead we have a coach who seems to have fallen victim to the morale and softness of his players. All I can say is that they are all lucky I am not coach or that I am not the owner.

I can only imagine what is going on inside the organization right now, as everyone is starting to point fingers at each other.

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Look Toad

I know you are frustrated but I wouldn’t go against Staal or Dubinsky as of right now. Staal has been shaky but its an entirely new system and Dubinsky was pretty good and was at least putting up points.

Not giving up Callahan may have been a mistake, but only time will tell. Not giving up Staal was a great move, he will be one of the best D men in the league trust me

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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 22, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya Jo

I keep hearing from you guys how these guys “will be great” when I was against signing dubi but how long do we have to wait to see it? Years? Thats a big risk with HOPE in my book. We could have had Heatley on our team since this season started. I’ll admit Staal was pretty damn good last season and could still be great, (All star?)but unfortunatly he’s not that great now. And we could have had greatness locked in. What he really is a is value as great stepping stone. And I still think dubi is over rated. Yeah he stepped it up in the playoffs but it shouldn’t have to come to that. His good play with results is too spuratic and inconsitant. They both have value on the trading block. Actually would you trade those three for another 35+ goal superstar? I don’t know if we’ll have that many goals tihs season between them. I think we could get an exceptional player in retur for them. But I do like callys heart.

What about dubi, he got pushed in warm ups and did nothing. He has he thrown down once this season? I think he’s gone contract soft and doesn’t want to break a nail. They all play good until they get big money and take their foots off the gas. I see a trend here lol.

I think Antropov was mistake two. He got furious when he didn’t perform. Thats exactly what we needed. And proven scoring. Zerdev? As much as we disliked him…Proven scoring too. When have the yanks won series when they don’t hit home runs? Just like we don’t win games if we don’t score goals. We’ve already seen that we don’t go far with a defense based system.

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Dubi

I think there was a good reason no other team stepped up on him with an offer sheet or whatever it is. That should say something to us.

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

What it says is that no GM in their right mind wants to deal away draft picks in these days of the salary cap. Your minor league/draft system is the lifeblood by which you’ll either be successful or not – because you need those cheap entry-level contract players to fill out your roster and contribute meaningful minutes and points – and fortunately, the Rangers’ scouts have done a pretty decent job over the last 3-4 years – to the point where they’re prospects are ranked Third overall in the league by Hockey’s Future.

Yes – you could have had Heatley – but if they’d dealt for Heatley there’s little chance you could fit Gaborik in under the cap and still put up a decent roster. You’d have lost Staal, Dubinsky, probably Callahan, and 1 or 2 draft picks to get it done. So – who would you propose fill those spots?? Sanguinetti for Staal? 3 rookies on the Blue Line? Say it ain’t so….

And I’m not sure where you’re coming from with Antropov and Brashear??
First – Antro’s agent wanted 4 years at 5mm – which is when Sather told him to take a walk. He ended up signing for 4 years @ 4mm. Brashear is 2 years @ 1.4mm – not exactly an even swap against the cap.

Zherdev a “proven scorer”? Really? Are we talking about the same guy who disappeared for long stretches? Like the entire first round playoff series v. Washington? Who all too often looked like he was sleep-walking his way around the rink? He wouldn’t have survived “Camp Torturella” to begin with – and the first time he got benched he would’ve pulled another disappearing act – and pouted for a couple weeks.

I’m not particularly happy with the results over the last month – but I’m not heading for the ledge. As has been beaten to death for a long time – but bears repeating yet again – there are 3 contracts that limit the ability to do significant roster revamps – Redden, Rozsival and Drury. Hopefully, those are the last we’ll ever see of that ilk – ever.

by dbmaven on Nov 22, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You make good points but...

3 rookies on the blue.. the roookie and youngsters have been better than the rest. The older the worse they have been. I’ll take hunger to win anyday over experience.

Antro.. 2 brashs and a million would have gotten us our leader scoring from the moment he arrived last season. He was amongst a small few who didn’t look like they played hungover every night toward the end of the season. Brash is a complete waste at 1.5 that extra mil to antro at 4 mil would have been worth it.

Zherdev… for as bad as he was he did score goals and we are actually worse without him! I’d rather have those 25 goals back. He would have gotten a pass at camp torts, everyone else with sloppy play like redden and rozi did and they sure get plenty of ice time. FYI If the islanders win again we will be in last place in our division.

Heatley. Cally and dubi and brash would have almost covered his salary. Its Sathers there job to make room. Too many spare parts here trying to build a good engine. We need to trade up. Not stay sideways. We could have had two of the best goal scorers in the whole damn league.

FYI

“Heatley scored his NHL-leading 18th goal and set up Thornton’s go-ahead tally in the third period, leading the Sharks to a 3-2 victory over the Anaheim Ducks on Saturday night.”

“On Friday, Heatley recorded his second hat trick of the season and Thornton tied his franchise record with four assists in a 6-3 win over Philadelphia.”

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You keep repeating the same mantra over and over – without recognizing or dealing with the realities under the cap.
“It’s Sather’s job….blah blah blah”.

Add Antropov and Heatley to the current roster, subtract Callahan/Dubinsky/Brashear,
keep Drury/Kotalik/Higgins/Avery/Prospal/Anisimov/Boyle/Parenteau/Voros – you’re $4.486mm over the cap.

Oh, and that’s right – you probably had to give up Staal to get Heatley. So now your D is worse than it is today by an order of magnitude. If not Staal – then Grachev. Pick your poison – screw your defense today, or give up the best forward prospect currently in the system…..

And which is it – do you want guys with fire – people with “hunger to win” – or do you want Zherdev – who exhibited absolutely ZERO desire for about 70 out of 82 games….? Granted – he didn’t look like he was hungover – he just looked like he didn’t give a third of a crap.

Wanting it ‘both ways’ is great – unfortunately reality holds you to a different standard is you have to actually go out and make it work.

by dbmaven on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

A) The Rangers have two rookies on the D line

B) Are you insinuating that Heatley is better than Gaborik? If so I would advise you to change your stance pretty quickly

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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Gabby>>

Heatley.

If he was playing with Joe Thornton…he’d double his production (not saying Prospal is bad…he’s not Thornton tho…)

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 22, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

No way. I’ll take Gabby any day over heatley. I never said that. I don’t know enough to tell you who is better I just like Gabbys passion and his skills. I would have liked to seen what happened with Z and him on the ame line. But keep in mind, what I think most here failed to realize, Heatley’s problems last season (and his request to be traded fiasco) stemmed from them not playing him enough. You know thats hunger to win and hunger to play the game no matter how you may have seen it. Thats exactly what we need(ed). I just think we could have had both. Sather could have made it happen. Thats his job. Admit mistakes, get out and keep trading up. We have a pipeline overflowing with young talent we could have used some to trade out of some bad apples. Or at leats thats what I believe.

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Antropov

Oh, jeeze, I just made myself ill thinking for another brash we could probably have antro…yuck.

by Toad McGee on Nov 22, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Again Toad I hear you

But patience is the name of the game. Now that Staal has been moved back to D only he will preform better. Dubinksy is already preforming well and as for Dubinsky not being signed to an offer sheet they are looked down upon these days so who knows.

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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 22, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Superstars aren't the answer..

What makes anyone think adding Heatley and getting rid of defense would make this team win??? I think the lack of defense is what’s hurting. The backcheck is horrendous and the blueline is underperforming. I’m not sure weakening that and adding a nother point per game would solve the problem.

Besides systems played well win in this league. Just look across the river. No superstars there but they are kicking our ass in the standings.

by NYdemo on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree...

Great first piece, Nick!

I was discussing the coaching question last night with my wife (more like a 1-way rant from my end postgame), and unfortunately reached a similar conclusion that the problem may – in fact – lie with coaching. The lack of fundamentals and creativity point to a system that is failing to work.

Clearly this team can capitalize within the right system – it may, in fact, be Torts’ from earlier in the year. On paper, this team is far too good to be this poor in base levels of play.

by pslieber on Nov 22, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

And I agree, Torts has made numerous questionable decisions already this season.

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by Nick Montemagno on Nov 22, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know how anyone can look at the roster as it stands and say we’re a good team on paper. There’s one player on the team that you can count on to score goals with any consistency. Our best defenseman is a teenager. We have a whole bunch of guys who would make great complimentary pieces, except they’re the core of the team, not to mention Vinny Prospal has been playing out of his mind…and we still suck.

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by KingHenrik on Nov 22, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Its obvious the real reason why the Rangers are struggling is because Blair Betts and Freddie Sjostrom aren’t here anymore.

by DJ Wuss on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yup

The 8 points in 34 games they’ve combined for would surely cure our secondary scoring issues.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

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