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Rangers Recap: Rangers woes continue, lose to Islanders 2-1

Do Ranger players even know this is a rivalry?

Time was, Rangers-Islanders meant intensity, bad blood, emotion, heart. The current edition of the Blueshirts showed none of that, and lost the first of a crucial eight game stretch 2-1 to the Islanders at Madison Square Garden tonight.

Throughout the game, the Islanders fore-checked the Rangers to death, and the home team seemed content to stand still and let the Isles cycle around without so much as a hint of physical play. Eventually this bit them in the shorts when Jack Hillen threw the puck towards the net (a novel idea, one apparently the Rangers will take under advisement), and it bounced off Jon Sim and past Henrik Lundqvist to give the Islanders a 1-0 lead.

Sean Avery tried to get the Rangers emotionally involved as soon as the second period started, mixing it up with Hillen, then again later in the second period. The Rangers need more of this, every night. Ranger fans have begged, pleaded, prodded this team to show emotion, to play with urgency and intensity. It has to come from more players than just Sean Avery, but he just doesn't seem to be getting through to his teammates.

The Islanders tallied what turned out to be the game-winner late in the third, when Blake Corneau scored to give the Isles a 2-0 lead.

Ranger fans voiced their displeasure early and often, with most of the venom directed at the General Manager. The Blueshirts gave them little to cheer about until the final minute, when Enver Lisin scored to break the shutout, but considering it had been well over 200 minutes since the Rangers last even strength goal, to expect them to get another one in less than a minute seemed to be asking a bit much.

Another night to forget for Chris Higgins, who should just be nicknamed "fanned on the shot" because that's all Sam Rosen ever says about him.

Lots, lots more after the jump......

Star-divide

Final Thoughts:

  • Someone, anyone, explain to me how after the Rangers score to make it 2-1, they take a timeout to discuss strategy, and somehow decide that Michal Rozsival should be on the ice for the final minute with the goaltender pulled.
  • Speaking of Number 33: 24 minutes of ice time, seriously? Are they that scared of Ilkka Heikkinen?
  • Marian Gaborik's delay of game penalty in the first period, how is he supposed to stop his momentum after he trips over a players skate and slides into the net?
  • As someone said in our open game thread, you know the Rangers are playing bad when even Joe Micheletti criticizes them. Joe also said its time for the Rangers to "reassess playing time".
  • I loved seeing Enver Lisin get that late goal, even though it was meaningless. Lisin was glued to the bench for most of the game again, for whatever the reason, and I liked seeing him get some redemption. Out of all the issues the Rangers have, to single out Enver Lisin is just plain stupid. I can think of at least five players who are a bigger problem than Lisin.
  • One plus is that it may have been the Rangers best night on face-offs, only Brian Boyle lost more face-offs than he won.
  • Full marks to the Islanders. Yes, we hate them, but they come to play most every night, and will rarely be outworked. We can't say that about the Rangers.
  • Props to you guys that were with me in the open game thread, we had over 700 comments, great job by all of you.

I will add the notes and quotes from the Rangers either later tonight or in the morning.

[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 12/16/09 10:44 PM EST here are the notes, no quotes tonight]

NEW YORK RANGERS POST-GAME NOTES

December 16, 2009 - New York Rangers 1, New York Islanders 2 (Game #33, Home #17)

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  • The Rangers were defeated by the New York Islanders, 2-1, in front of a sold-out crowd (18,200) at Madison Square Garden.
  • New York have sold out 173 consecutive regular season games, dating back to Nov. 5, 2005 against New Jersey; the last regular season non-sellout was Oct. 31, 2005 vs. Montreal (17,697); including the playoffs, the Rangers sellout streak is now at 187 games.
  • The Blueshirts are now 14-16-3 (31 pts.) on the season, including a 7-9-1 mark at home.
  • The Rangers won 31 of 51 faceoffs for a 61% success rate; Vinny Prospal led all skaters with 11 faceoff wins and went 11-16 (69%) in the faceoff circle.
  • Enver Lisin tallied one goal and two shots in 9:14 of icetime; he now has two points (one goal and one assist) in four career games against the Islanders.
  • Brandon Dubinsky recorded one assist and won 10 of 17 faceoffs (59%); he also logged a season-high 24:28 of icetime.
  • Henrik Lundqvist made 26 saves while starting in his seventh straight game, which ties his season-high.
  • Dan Girardi notched an assist on Lisin's third period goal and recorded three shots in 22:57 of icetime.
  • Marian Gaborik led all skaters with six shots and 26:51 of icetime; Christopher Higgins led the team and tied for the game-high with five hits.
  • The Rangers return to action tomorrow, Dec. 17, when they will face-off against the New York Islanders at Nassau Coliseum (7:00 p.m.), in the second game of a home-and-home set and the Rangers fourth game in six days; the game will be televised live on MSG Network and can be heard on 1050 ESPN Radio.
  • Prior to the game, the Rangers pre-game skate is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. at Nassau Coliseum.

 

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Put a fork in them their done!

As you may all know I’ve never been a big Torts fan,and I would like to say publicly I’m sorry to John for blaming him for the rangers woes.After seeing the Rangers in Tampa just get spanked and tonights game the light finally went on, it’s not Torts fault,can’t blame Sather either,This team has no heart,no will,no guts and are nothing but a sorry bunch of losers.What a pathetic effort is all i can say. once again this team never showed up like so many times before……..Gut this club from top to bottom and see ya in 5 years .

by Pauly D on Dec 16, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

NOT blame Sather?!?!

How can you not blame the man who put the team together? Torts is working with what he has got, and I really like him as a coach. Sather, meanwhile, has chased after questionable free agents and put the team in a position to the point where they can’t move anyone.

Sather needs to go… period. Even if we can’t do a complete re-build, we need a new mentality in management ASAP.

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by Rob L on Dec 16, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

agree.

I’ll enjoy the fact he miraculously created a nice bunch of prospects to look forward too.

There’s just too many mistakes on this roster at his doing.

I hope the next time Rosival blindly hurls a shot from the blue line when there’s 9 skaters in front of him..it deflects of Sather’s empty noggin.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

While tors is working with what we got

he is a big part of what we got

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 16, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

agree plus..

Management is the problem and like all of you have mentioned Torts is trying is best with what is has and we don’t know this for sure but how can he bench a player (#33) whom is making 5mil. It always comes down to money. Perfect example, The Miami Dolphins were horrible 2 years ago and could never win in the month of December, Bill Parcells takes over brings in his own management, next year the dolphins win the division and are 6-0 in Decemeber the last two years and one of the toughest teams to play with less talent than most of their opponents. My point Sather passed on guys like Mike richards—heart and grit for that piece of crap Jessiman, he trades away Tutin for a player who is playing in the KHL now, gives big contract to 33 and Redden where the money could have signed Brook Orpink of the Pens who is hard as nails. Decision and Decision by Sather has caused me to give up my season tickets last year and I will not go to a game until that fat fuck is gone. Brashear in Orr out.. let Studwick walk who was not that good but stood up for players aside from teaching teamates to fight (Dubi)..We have some good players drafted from the last few years. play them and for the love of god find a way to get rid of some of the players who done give a shit….

by gene4240 on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob

You can’t blame anyone for the total lack of effort but the players! can you tell me The Isle have a more talented team than the rangers?no way they just worked harder! that falls on the players no one eles!!! that is my point, we all know glen sucks.

by Pauly D on Dec 17, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Tort's isn't working with what he's got.

Tortorella continues to trot Rozsival out there for 23+ minutes a night for reasons unknown to anyone, while exiling Gilroy under the guise that he’s not competitive or some shit. He has two offensively gifted young forwards in Anisimov and Lisin that continue to get 3rd and 4th line minutes (with the latter getting scratched occasionally) while playing an even strength albatross in Kotalik and an offensive lineman in Brashear as high as the 2nd line.

All preseason he preached accountability for all players, young and old. Now he keeps sticking the veteran fails out there over and over and takes it out on the young kids.

Now is it Torts’ fault that Drury appears to be using a cloaking device, that Higgins and Callahan and Avery have combined for as many goals as Niklas Hagman or John Tavares? No, but that isn’t Sather’s fault either.

I mean, Sather has made more than his fair share of inept decisions but you can’t think there isn’t enough talent on this roster to be more competitive than they have been. And if for some reason you do, then you have to think that we should start a youth movement and starting giving the kids real minutes. Neither is happening, and that falls on Tortorella, not Sather.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

ah its not all bad

now we’ve only got like 3 or 4 more teams to go below in the standings to get the #1 draft pick and a very strong case for sather to be ousted from ny!

by Toad McGee on Dec 16, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

I say bring up locke

an see how he does…what the hell do we have to lose, another game? whooopeee

by Toad McGee on Dec 16, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Higgins

wasn’t he supposed to be some sort of Islanders killer? What the hell is this ad?

by B L S on Dec 16, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

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by Rob L on Dec 16, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

more thoughts

voros… say what you want but at least he would have fought somebody tonight and put up a fight

lisen.. don’t understand torts, not many others are playing well either. And boy did you see his speed?
Reminded me of Gomez

antro… he would have been smashing his stick tonight all over the place. Thats what we needed . BIg mistake haunting us. Mara too.

by Toad McGee on Dec 16, 2009 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Fire Torts.

I’ll continue to say this after every game.

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone Knows

I think everyone knows I’m not the biggest Torts fan,But with that said GUYS THE TEAM NEVER SHOWED UP LAST NIGHT AND IF YOU CAN"T GET UP FOR AN ISLES RANGER GAME THATS ON YOU, NOT THE COACH OR THE GM…Its that simple, if we lost we lost but it’s the way we lose 3 shots on net in the first???WTF can’t tell me thats Torts fault he don’t have a stick in his hands….They did the same Shit in Tampa thats why drury gets run over by glencross,thats why henry gets run into,thats why cally has to get up from the ice from being crossed checked from behind and drop the gloves THIS TEAM HAS NO GUTSNO PASSION…Thats why they suck ,at some point you have to blame the PLAYERS….because again you can not tell me the isles have a more talented team than the rangers they just work hard and we don’t !!!

by Pauly D on Dec 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That started in the first. Joe Fortunato was at the game, he said it pretty much went on throughout the game, but the MSG Network turned the audio down so we couldn’t hear it well on TV

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there too

The Fire Sather chants were the loudest the Garden got all night. The whole building was dead, even the islander fans only really woke up after the 2nd goal.

And yes, they went all game long, but only like once or twice per period.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 16, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Where there any “Fire Torts!” chants, or do I need to attend a game to start one personally?

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

May have to do that one yourself rmc. Nothing on Torts.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, if I somehow get tickets, you know what I’ll be doing!

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

MSG has no business turning the audio we all want to hear down.

In reality, of course they do. What am I talking about?

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again

Lundqvist deserves to win. The Rangers deserve to lose.

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

Lisen

Never figured why he was benched. He’s got some speed and we got plenty of problems.

This team lacks heart… You’ve got to blame everyone starting with Slather.

Avery seems to be the only one with any heart.

Rozzy back to his old ways except he didn’t stand out as much because everyone sucked.

by CTrangerfan on Dec 16, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Devils won again

all I know is the devils continue to win consistently making the playoffs and finishing at the top of the conference. their upper management is beyond superior to ours it makes me sick. This problem starts with them I don’t care what people say about Sather’s drafts, yes he’s drafted good players, but he has missed out on franchise players that we can really build a team around that would compliment Delzotto, Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Lundquist. He’s also created a mess with Drury, Rosival, Kotalik, Brashear, and Redden that is sinking this team to the cellar of the Eastern Conference for at least the next 3 years unless he buys out these contracts. We can’t trade or pick up any impact players to play with Gaborik because we are so far up against the cap. Even if we have to sign one of our own players we developed we have to get rid of a somewhat productive player just to make room for his mistakes. He got lucky Montreal took Gomez so we could get Gaborik, because he would have no support from anyone here if Gaborik wasn’t on the team.

2002 2nd round our 1st pick 33 overall Lee Falardeau. Our 1st round pick 10th overall was traded to Flordia for Pavel Bure. Alexander Semin was selected 13th that year

2003 1st round 15th overall Hugh Jessiman Best Draft year (Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf ,Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry, Patrice Bergeron, and Shea Weber were picked before we had our second pick which was Ivan Baranka

2004 1st round 6th overall Al Montoya and 19th Laurie Korpikoski. Travis Zajac, Wojtek Wolski, and Mike Green were selected after Korpikoski
2005 12th Marc Staal good pick. Paul Stastny was selected 44th after we selected Mike Sauer
2006 21st Bob Sanguinetti this one might be good but I get the feeling Sather is shopping him around so he must not think Sang is that great. Milan Lucic went 50th
2007 17th Alexei Cherepanov might of been the best pick Sather made but no one will ever know.
2008 20th Delzotto I think this is his best pick. This is one prospect I think is the real deal too bad no one on the team other than Gaborik can handle his passes or vision on the ice.

Even though Sather has gotten good picks I feel he missed the impact player we need to get this offense going and play with Gaborik and I think were stuck with him until Messier is ready to change the culture on this team.

I’m sick of watching this team not compete or score or fight with any heart.

signed disgruntled ranger fan

I hate losing to the Islanders

by Twitch366 on Dec 16, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

Look at other team's draft records

That’s pretty darn good. Everyone misses, and most teams have a lot more misses than that, often with earlier picks.

Honestly, I think we need a little patience. Sather royally screwed up the two offseasons before this one, and if he was going to be fired it should have been after the either of those (and yes, he definitely should have been fired). But this last offseason was actually a good one. The Gomez trade was awesome, and an acknowledgment of mistakes made. Gaborik was a great pickup, and potentially indicative of Sather realizing that only truly elite players should be signed to huge contracts. Gilroy was another good grab, and Prospal is exactly the kind of contract role players should be signed to. The only mistakes were Brashear and Kotalik, and neither are crippling.

We’re not going to be an elite team as long as the Redden/Rosi/Drury contracts are on our books. But I think Sather has realized those were mistakes, and is making good moves to keep us competitive for the playoffs in the short term (and we have a decent shot at the playoffs, remember back to the start of the year) and looking for building blocks to make the team truly elite once the axis of evil can be sent off.

by yellomellojello on Dec 16, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just got back

bad news bears from the get go. Fans at the game were awfuly angry, too bad you couldn’t hear them.

I’m also beginning to think that Rozsival has pictures of Torts nude because there is no reason for him to be there.

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

is there a reason why he just

hurls a wrister from the blue-line as soon as he gets the puck?

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

then again, wouldn’t you be equally as angry if he held on to the puck instead of taking a shot?

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

no.

I want him to hold onto it and pass.

He does it every time…and there’s 9 players in front of him…either it his a player or it goes over the net.

ITs pointless.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, screens are usually a good idea though. I noticed that he takes slapshots more often now a days.

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by rmc235 on Dec 16, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Screens are a good idea, except every time Rozsival randomly flung the puck he missed the net by a good two feet.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 16, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I 100% agree...

screens are a good thing…I forgot who shot the puck (..maybe it WAS Rosival), but Prospal was screening in front of the net…I like that.

Its just, Rosival just gets it and shoots before anyone can set up on the Rangers.

He’s been doing it for years too….at maybe its worked twice….

If he actually saw what he’s shooting at…instead of basically one-timing it…maybe it creates a better chance?

or..pass the damn puck.

MDZ knows what he’s doing….

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

worst Game YET!

The Rangers should have come out hard to play the Icelanders. This team is done, did anyone see torts press conf. Curse all you want the team is soft and he had a hand this offseason putting it together.

by Robert200091 on Dec 16, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

can we organize a boycott of the games? i feel like if there’s a year to finally get Sather canned, this is it.

by Rangerguy on Dec 16, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

So...

My first attended game of the year. I don’t know if it just doesn’t translate to TV and it’s always really this bad, but this was easily the worst I’ve ever seen the Rangers play this year.

They looked completely lifeless. The Islanders were not really playing well, the whole game looked like it was being played in mud. Even the Avery shenanigans didn’t seem to get either team or the crowd going much.

The dude sitting 3 seats from me came, sat down, and read the paper the entire time. I think that about summed up how interesting this game was.

And Rozsival’s is hilariously bad. I don’t think he would start in most men’s leagues right now, how his ice time has gone up in the past 2 weeks is something out of the twilight zone. I think I frightened the kid sitting in front of me when I had enough and screamed “you **** suck” at the top of my lungs on one of his epic fails at the end of the game. (The kid was wearing a Brashear shirt btw, my god)

But back to the team, they play with absolutely zero fire right now, I can’t imagine how they will do anything but fail until a move is made.

And last note, enough with the god damn line roulette.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

It was all down-hill from the shenanigans wasn;t it?

Avery needs to pull more of that crap tho. Unless the refs said he’s ejected if he pulls that crap again…but I can;’t see that.

Sean is the spark. Its like flicking a lighter right now..and there’s no damn lighter fluid.

Avery needs to do more of that crap, merely for the entertainment of it (that was a glorious little brawl, I gotta say).

I agree on Rosival, I dont understand why he gets more time..while someone like Lisin….less time.

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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It was downhill before, during, and after.

But yes, watching Roloson get trampled was enjoyable.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

line roulette

been thinking the same thing, a mess is still a mess no matter how you change it around.

by Toad McGee on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

With every teams “big contract” players, they all use the well known and ignored loop hole, bulk up most of their contract for the first few years and a couple hundred thousand – million for the final few, with knowledge of prior retirement. Ex. Marian Hossa, 7+ mil a year, with a cap hit of around 5. Sather fucked us with RDR but i feel like i don’t have to repeat what everyone has been saying for a good 2 years. Is Sather going anywhere? Probably not. Is Torts going to be made a scapegoat? Most likely. We can’t even rebuild. We’re going to draft a Taylor Hall type player, and won’t be able to resign him because we still won’t have any money. The rebuild can’t and wont start for a good 3-4 years, and we’ll have none of the prospects that we currently have on the team.

by Dougee on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Is there a way to just get rid of rosivials contract so there is salary cap room, can u just drop him and he won’t effect the ca[. If there is any way to do this I do not no why they would’nt. We have great defensive players in the minors why not use them

by rangers9ny on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

there is a way

to buy him out. But he would hit the cap at a few mil for the next few years and no one wants that

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, I’m being honest here, I’d rather take a longer cap hit than have Rosival out on the ice not only losing us games but taking spots away from our stracked D prospects.

by old hickory on Dec 17, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

no you wouldnt if you knew what the cap hit was. 2.2, 3.2, 1.2, 1.2 so you are gaining little relief the next two years to pay him 2 extra ones. throw him in hartford let dolan eat his salary as it is for 2 years and just not be on the cap.

by Michael Gleich on Dec 17, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

the other way would be to do what dallas did w avery which is send him down, and maybe someone would want him on re-entry and we eat half his salary the next two years which is relief and only two years vs 4 w the buyout, but sending and leaving him in hartford is the best plan for me. he would probably take off to the khl if we did it anyway.

by Michael Gleich on Dec 17, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

WOW

can’t blame rosi for the loss,yes he is bad but my god guys rosi isnt the reason we lose every night it’s a team game staal,redden,giradi,dury,etc, none of them have played real well this team has no passion….

by Pauly D on Dec 17, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, he goes to hartford.

by Michael Gleich on Dec 17, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering ...

Suppse Sather grew a pair of cojones and told Rozi or Redden; “Look, you’re just not going to play anymore. So either we enter some re-negotiations on your contract or you’ll be a healthy scratch for the next several years”. I Somehow remember Bobby Clarke doing something similar with Lindros in Philly … Wait, I just woke up, Dolan has Sather’s cojones …

by bleed'n blue on Dec 17, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

1 shot in the first 17 minutes of play? Disgraciad!!!!!!! These guys suck. They need to be injected with fire. Make avery the Capt. That will shake this team up and watch him lead. because he will. He’s a douchebag, don’t get me wrong….but have you seen how lifeless Drury is? There was an advertisement for some promo and Drury looked and sounded like he was dead. He is not a capt., this is part of the issue they have no peer leadership.

I loved to see Avery stand up for himself after Roloson whacked him.

by earthworm on Dec 17, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

“Disgraziad!”

I am guessing you are a Howard Stern fan……

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 17, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

where is brian burke when you need him?

by Michael Gleich on Dec 17, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

I actually missed the game tonight and when I went to check the highlights I had this slim hope that the team came out with some spark and played a good game. Well, I should have known….Lundqvist doesn’t deserve this!! Rozsival couldn’t even survive in the AHL with his lackluster play. Redden has been a disappointment, but his play has improved over the last year. Avery, Callahan, Dubi…these are the guys that should wear the C’s and A’s (Calli does, I know). They all seem to give 100% every night. But even that 100% is other teams 60%.

by suddendeath on Dec 17, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

I agree. I’d love to see Drury stripped of his C. He doesn’t deserve it at all.

by goodieNY on Dec 17, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Postgame Comments

Tortorella said in his postgame conference that “something needs to be done” by the coaches before tonight’s rematch at the Coliseum. And what exactly will that be? Decide to give Rozsival 30 minutes of ice time as opposed to 24?

Pathetic effort in this game, and Joe, I hope you took part in those “Fire Sather” chants. ;)

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by Nick Montemagno on Dec 17, 2009 6:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Is there an F5 button for this season?

While I’m not a coach killer, unfortunately this seems the logical move at this point (i.e. Melrose getting canned when the Team simply tuned him out). Clearly – whatever Torts is espousing – no one is listening. There is no confidence, period. We could put Sidney Crosby on this team and even he would stink at this point.

by pslieber on Dec 17, 2009 6:58 AM EST reply actions  

I hope they keep losing..

As a Rangers fan for over 40 years, I hate to say it, but, I hope they keep losing every game. That’s the only way Sather will get fired. That is, if Dolan even knows the standings.The only problem is – who do we get to replace him? Is Mess ready? Do we get another “placeholder” until he is ready? I’ve been though some pretty bad years, but this ranks up there as one of the worse. The players have quit on Torts and Sather. Period.

by brad_park on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

I m not so sure about Messier. I think I would want to see him prove himself first as a GM someplace else. I don’t wanna see learning on the job with the Rangers. Also, he is currently “learning” from Sather….not the best person to learn from. Just because Messier was a great player and part of 1994 doesnt mean he will be a good GM. What I want is somebody who is young, hungry and qualified. I don’t even care where he comes from.

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

could even be a “she” as long as that person is a good GM

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

no Messier would be fine

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you say he would be fine???

He never was a GM so we don’t know how he would do. Hiring him would be a gamble. Just because he was a good player doesnt mean he will be a good GM. We need somebody proven and qualified.

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Why proven and qualified?

Once you fire Sather you’re officially in rebuild. It’s universally known that the first goal of the new GM would be to get out from underneath the 3 shitty contracts, easier said than done.

But the truth is this team would at very least be 2 years away from being competitive, in the interim waiting for the kids in the system to get here.

That’s alot of grace period. The only reason to hire a GM with experience is if you have a win now attitude, which while normal is not realistic for this team.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want a new GM learning on the job and messing us up. No experience means the new GM will make some mistakes as part of a learning process. Why would we want that??? He needs to be proven and qualified so that there is potential of building a cup contender

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

We're already a mess

What difference does it make if Messier is messier. (haha, i’m punny).

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Very punny....

It makes a difference – because you’re looking to get out from under the mess. (no pun intended there at all).

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

But do we really think

Schoenfeld, Messier, Bill Nye the Science Guy, Peter Griffin, or anyone else we throw in the front office is going to be able to unload Rozsival or Redden any easier than Sather?

I hope I’m proven wrong, but those futile players seems to be stuck here right now, so you’re probably looking at no less than 2 years before they’ll a new GM will be able to do as they please, and to that extent I don’t see how it matters much how much experience the GM has.

(this is not an endorsement of Messier or an indictment on Schoenfeld, just saying that experience is not a necessary requirement to replace Sather)

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

A “rookie” will make “rookie” mistakes.

If there’s enough pressure from the owner(s), that could be disastrous.
Someone with experience – especially Schoenfeld, is not likely to do that. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible – just less likely.

And I also believe that if Messier gets the job now, Schoeny will depart. And that would be a major error on the part of the organization.

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

If there’s enough pressure from the owner(s)

That’s never been true of the Dolans. Good point on Schoenfeld leaving though, that’s the kind of factor that should matter.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I realize that the Dolan’s have been hands-off historically – but unless they’re involved now, this whole conversation is moot – nobody else is going to fire Sather…..

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they do fire Sather,it will be financially based, it won’t tie to the performance on the ice.

Given the current state of the Knicks and Rangers, it’s pretty clear the Dolan’s could give a shit what the product looks like, as long as it makes money.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The experience matters because if the new GM has no experience and doesnt not know what he is doing there is always a chance he might sign additional players to ridiculous contracts (more Redden type contracts) or sign bad players. As far as unloading the big 3, any GM will have a problem with that.

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

there is always a chance he might sign additional players to ridiculous contracts (more Redden type contracts) or sign bad players

Any GM is capable of that.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

yes but...

a GM with less experience/knowledge will be more likely to do that.

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Sather had a fuckton of experience/knowledge and did it more than any GM I’ve ever seen.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

sather is the exception to the rule….Smurf do we at least agree that Sather needs to go? LOL

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes and no

I think Sather needs to go, but I think it’s unfair to blame this team’s performance on him. Alot of fans seems to be using this stretch as evidence that Sather’s done an awful job, when really he was doing an awful job while they were having success the last few years and has actually been better of late.

I think Sather has taken the team in the right direction thus far this year. Kotalik got overpaid, but that’s really the only glaring mistake this year. He’s done a good job of restocking the farm system and he did bring in Gaborik, Gilroy and Prospal. Boyle, Higgins and Lisin were good to excellent trades.

He somehow managed to shed Avery and get him back for the price he wanted in the first place, while Dallas got stuck paying 1/2 his salary. That might be dump luck but that’s pretty darn good.

He has balked every time the name Dubinsky, Callahan or Staal has come up in a trade.

So yes, I think the Sather era has run its course but I don’t think that this team is the evidence of that fact.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

ok so your answer is “yes”. we do agree.

btw I do think he has done some good things for us, but the bad things outweigh the good ones. In 10 years the best we ve done was the 2nd round of the playoffs

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm saying yes

But I think there is a high percentage of Rangers fans that think by firing Sather, this team will suddenly become contenders.

That’s falsity false false false. No matter what happens in the front office this team is 2 years away at best.

What you can already see happening is that Sather will get fired, the team will continue to struggle, and fans will start turning their attention to Tortorella and be calling for his head right behind it.

Truth is team with alot of youth that was supposed to be buoyed by the veterans, and the veterans have mostly sucked. I don’t know who you blame for that but neither Sather nor Tortorella seems like the correct answer.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

No need to wait....

…a lot of peeps are already calling for Torts’ head.

I don’t agree with that – but it’s been building for weeks.

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It's alot like last year

1/2 calling for Sather’s head, the other 1/2 for Renney’s.

This year it’s closer to 85/15 Sather though me thinks.

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by George E. Ays on Dec 17, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly....

As far as this year’s team goes, I think we can only blame the players. Before the season started we all had reasonable expectations that Kotalik, Drury, Dubi, Callahan, Higgins would be 20+ goal scorers. reasonable expectations in my opinion. Why this is not happening, I dont know, but we cant blame anyone else other then the players.

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

You kind of have to read between the lines a bit – and make some guesses.

There hasn’t really been much “accountability” that Torts talked so much about – and that he’s been noted for. It’s therefor reasonable to assume that he’s been “leashed” by management – not unlike people thinking that he had “leashed” Sean Avery.

Last night’s display would indicate that he’s had enough and is ready to roll up his sleeves and do what’s necessary – in order to get the player’s attention.

We’ll find out in about 7 hours – or maybe less…..

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Again ill say it

Garth Snow has done a hell of a job on the Island

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

yes he has but...

just because he succeded, doesnt mean that all new GMs with no experience will be successful

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He is being groomed

Like DB said Schoenfeld wil be the guy if Sather goes

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

he gave an awesome contract to dipietro

by MattPwrcf1 on Dec 17, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to play “Pauly-D” for the moment, Joe.

Messier hasn’t got a third of a clue how to be a full-time GM in the NHL right now.

If they’re going to fire Sather (kneels in reverence and says an earnest prayer out loud), then the only guy ready and available RIGHT NOW that I’d give any consideration to is Jim Schoenfeld. He knows the players, he knows the prospects, and he knows the organization.
Give the guy a chance.

The thing that would piss me off more than anything would be putting that cutthroat turncoat Keenan in the GMs job. That, would be a huge mistake – ‘cause you’d lose some important people in the organization….

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah I agree on Keenan,

But Garth Snow is doing a pretty good job over there on the Island no isnt he

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Hope you didn’t mind….me using your name in vain… ;-D

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So – you say “No” to Schoenfeld, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead – bring in a novice in Messier because of the name and history?

Snow has about as much of a track record as Messier, and quite frankly hasn’t done anything earth shattering. He was handed a train wreck, and got some very high draft picks as a result – which so far have been used wisely. (Tavares ? Okposo?) The best that can be said about him thus far is that he hasn’t done anything blatantly stupid. Come back in 2-3 years and there’ll be enough to make a decent judgment about him.

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

was that to me?

I actually agree with you on Schoenfeld.

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm. OK. Wasn’t clear from earlier posts. :-)

by dbmaven on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

But I also think that if that were to happen

Messier would be being groomed

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 17, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Snow??

Didn’t he sign DP to that 15 year mega money contract? Or was that previous mgmt? I thought that was him, brilliant move…all those picks have fallen in his lap, only sharp move I can give him credit for is signing Streit when no one else would

by Lone Ranger in Florida on Dec 17, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Another Barf-O-Rama

The Rangers are Awful. Just about the Worst Team in the NHL. Gaborik and Lundqvist are the only stars. Two exceptional players do not make a winning team. Who assembled this mishmash of underachieving and overpaid players. Glen Doofus Sather. Who is unable to motivate or manage this sorry group of players? Torts Tootoo Tortorella. Who could give less of a s..t as long as MSG is sold out? Dollars Dolan. There is plenty of blame to go around and many who should share it. Is it not possible to shame Drury, Redden or Roszival into regotiations of their contracts? Or convince them to jump to the KHL? Or bench them or send them down to Hartford. Or buy them out? If Sather had any sense, why could he not say to Drury that you have played your last game as a Ranger. You will be stripped of the C and be a healthy scratch until your contract runs out unless you renegotiate, jump to the KHL or agree to retire? Drury is not performing and probably will never perform again. He must realize how bad he is and how much he is hurting the team. And Kotalik should be put on waivers along with Voros and Brashear. Let’s play a little hardball.

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