Rangers need to send Avery to the bench
In the course of every postseason run, in every sport, a coach is faced with making a drastic decision, a decision that can alter the fate of his team.
In the 2006 playoffs, after seeing his starting goaltender Martin Gerber give up 6 goals in each of the first two games of the opening round against Montreal, Canes coach Peter Laviolette made the switch to rookie goalie Cam Ward, and all he did was go 15-8 and lead the Canes to the Cup.
In this series, Caps coach Bruce Boudreau made a similar move after Game One, benching Jose Theodore for rookie goaltender Simeon Varlamov. In 2 games, the Rangers have solved him once. He's lifted the Caps back into this series, and suddenly what was once a huge advantage between the pipes for the Rangers has narrowed, perhaps enough to swing this series in the other direction. Remember what tmranger told us the other day, be careful what you wish for.
After last night's embarrassing performance on home ice, John Tortorella needs to shake up his team.
He needs to bench Sean Avery for Game 4, and if necessary, for the rest of the series.
Certainly Avery is not solely to blame for last night's loss. There is plenty of blame to go around, but last night, Sean Avery put himself above the team, sucker punching John Erskine, then pulling a "Kansas City Shuffle" on Varlamov towards the end of the game. Avery's 3 penalties in the 2nd period helped stall whatever chance the Rangers had of getting back in the game. The Rangers are not a high scoring team, goals don't come easy to this bunch, and they can ill afford to spend almost a half a period a game killing off dumb penalties, not when they've scored one goal the last two games.
Everyone talks about the fine line Avery has to walk, knowing what he can and can't get away with. Last night he crossed that line, doing it at the worst possible time. His "antics" and I hate using that term, but it's the best way to describe it, last night were inexcusable.
Sean Avery is a talented hockey player, capable of providing offense. He is also an annoying pain in the butt, prone to dumb mistakes both on and off the ice. You can't have one without the other with him. But when you are getting too much of the latter, and not nearly enough of the former, a change needs to be made.
The Rangers by my estimation have two call-ups left in their pocket. I think it's time to use one, and get Artem Anisimov or another forward up from Hartford and see if they can provide a spark without all the drama. I'm not saying doing this is going to put the Rangers on a guaranteed path to Lord Stanley's Cup, but 5 goals in 3 games isn't going to cut it, changes need to be made, and this is the best place to start.
John Tortorella needs to make the statement that no one is above the team. He needs to bench Sean Avery.
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Bold call… and the right one.
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I't sure if i am sold on this yet
Limit his ice time tomorrow to 5-10 minutes for sure, but see how he plays with that time. I don’t think the Rangers have a better skater to put out there. I mean if it isn’t Avery its Voros and … thats just bad news.
If Tortorella rips his head off Sean might learn not to cross that line again and might just have himself a good game. Other thoughts?
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by Joe Fortunato on Apr 21, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think ripping his head off solves the problem. He’s been penalized, suspended, villified, you name it. A “stern talking to” just doesn’t cut it for me
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s been penalized, suspended, villified, you name it. A "stern talking to" just doesn’t cut it for me
Honestly I don’t understand why one of the Rangers doesn’t beat the bejesus out of him.
I’m a Caps fan. I loved Dale Hunter, or did for many years, until he took out Turgeon with that unbelievably dishonorable cheapshot. If I’d been on the ice as Hunter’s teammate, I would not have dropped the gloves in his defense, I’d have either skated off and let him take the beating he deserved, or I might have taken him out myself.
You’re focused on Avery’s hit to Varlamov and sucker punch to Erskine, but how about the hit on Semin after the whistle at the end of Period 2 (or was it 1?). Cheap shotters degrade the game and put people’s careers at risk. They shouldn’t be tolerated.
To be clear, so long as it’s within the rules, I’ve got no prob with Avery’s chirps or goading people into taking swings or with the Brodeur screening (pre-Avery rule) etc..
Curious what your thoughts are.
by CarlosLA on Apr 21, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IDK
I can’t say I agree with you Jim, but I think there’s a good chance that Tortorella is going to at the very least limit his ice time. Sure what he did was scummy and uncalled for. But in reality, it had little to no effect on the game.
Forget that it’s Sean Avery for a moment.
Of the three earlier penalties, only one was actually warranted. The other two were blown calls by the officials. By the time he did his dance with Varlamov, the game was over.
I’d be more concerned with Markus Naslund who has has taken all sorts of penalties, including ones in the offensive zone.
What Avery did was inexcusable, but he’s played well and has busted his ass this series. He obviously walks a fine line, but when he crosses it, people can’t freak out because it was Avery who did something brash. Nobody got hurt, it was stupid and ridiculous but the game was lost at that point (not that that’s a good reason).
Sean Avery is a two way street. The league has no problem criticizing him and the media has no problem belittling him. But at the same time, the league doesn’t mind profiting from him and the media doesn’t mind the attention they receive for criticizing Avery.
The league has no problem looking at Avery through the microscope and having a separate rule book for him. But then they also have no problem allowing what players do behind the scenes against him go unnoticed and unpenalized.
I absolutely agree with you about the league and the media. The last few Ranger games on NBC were advertised as “Sean Avery and the Rangers”, like they were some 60’s pop band.
But I’m sure you saw the look on Tortorella’s face last night, he’s up to his whatzis in Sean Avery. I think he needs to send a message to Avery and the team here. I don’t think limiting ice time is the answer, he can do alot of damage with 9 minutes on the ice.
Either way, its a great argument, I knew it would stir passion on both sides
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Tortorella’s face was priceless. I can’t even begin to imagine what the ‘conversation’ after the game between him and Avery was like.
by John Merrigan on Apr 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d gotten away with non calls earlier in the series and even got away with some major ones in this game (spearing Erskine’s face). Playing him is like investing in a hedge fund, he could win the game for you or he could ruin your year.
It’s hard to tell what the refs would do after last game, they let him play on up until now. I’d bench him and call someone up, seems like it’s too much of a risk to keep someone like that out there.
sorry to continue the parade of caps fans over here. but i wanted to give video evidence for snowburnt’s comment.
i think just about everyone in the MSM missed this.
by Natty Bumppo on Apr 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it enough?
Bench him? as in don’t dress him? Or how about dress him and don’t give him a shift? Because that would be less detrimental to everyone.
He can’t be winning friends on his team or points with his coach.
Tortorella shouldn’t have to deal with such displays of stupidity. He’s much better than that.
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That just wouldn’t make sense. If your not going to play him, bring up Anisimov, don’t make the team play short handed.
He’s actually pretty well liked from people on the team..
by John Merrigan on Apr 21, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
AveryGod has the floor:
I think Avery has been a HUGE help to the Rangers since he has come back. But last night was the Avery of old and it’s also the Avery the Rangers DON"T want. As much has it hurts to say this…BENCH HIM!!!!! He screwed up royally last night.
He let his emotions get the best of him and it caused the Rangers to be short on the ice for 8 MINUTES. Then he gets a 10 MINUTE GAME MISCONDUCT. WHAT THE $&#) IS GOING ON?!?!?! Bring up someone. I don’t care who. Hey, it worked for the Caps. They benched Nylander and put in Brashear. I hate that man, but he did his part. Maybe Avery just needs to go sit in the corner for a game or two to collect himself.
the 10 minute misconduct was to keep him off the ice the last minute of the game, to avoid more problems.
If what I call for happens, will you change your name to AnisimovGod?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I Disagree
In my opinion, Avery is a two/three steps forward, one step back player. If you sit him for every questionable thing he does, he wouldn’t be cracking the lineup in half the games.
Was it stupid? Yes. But it was at a smart time in the game when the game was basically lost. Who knows, maybe it takes a Capitals D-man off his game Wednesday.
The guy is one of the handful of Ranger forwards who is wheeling it out there, and he will do anything to win. Isn’t that what the playoffs is all about?
On the one hand I agree with you, on the other hand I see a guy who did stupid things on a team that has scored 1 goal in two games. If bringing someone up can spark the offense and maybe settle him down a little bit, I’m all for it. If the Rangers regroup and get into the 2nd round, they are going to need Avery along the way. I just think maybe a “mental health day” is in order
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely, Schwab. The Rangers need more of that gritty stuff. The “2 steps forward 1 step back” Paula Abdul reference sums it up well.
by Sean Zandberg on Apr 21, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.....
why would you sit Avery? He was probably the biggest reason the Rangers even made the playoffs.
When he is on his game, he picks his agitation spots well. You have to give the Caps credit they didn’t let Avery goad them into doing anything.
When Avery was on the ice, he was one of the only Rangers to skate hard and at least try to make plays.
Yea, his penalties may have cost the Rangers the game even if they converted a few times, but bench him?? Are you nuts? Might as well bench Lundqvist for letting in 4 goals.
Yea he crossed the line. But teaching him a lesson by benching him is not gonna get it done cuz not having him out there is gonna hurt a whole lot more.
hurt more than 1 goal in two games?
hurt more than being shut out on home ice?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You are out of your fraking mind.
You want a bold move, try benching the still injured Drury. Try benching the ineffective Zherdev. The ineffective Mexican’t Gomez who aborted every damned attack single handedly. Try winning a power play faceoff for once for chrissake. Try not going offsides 18 times a game. Benching one of the four players who show up for every game is just stupid, no matter how many penalties he is ‘awarded’. We have Hank, Bettsy and Sjostrom – they can take care of the kills.
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So, killing off 8, 10, 12 minutes of Avery penalties, deserved or not, if he gets them, Rangers have to kill them, this is ok, because the Rangers have good penalty killers?
Rangers aren’t scoring, and spending half the 2nd period killing off Avery penalties, deserved or not, isn’t helping. The guy has the bullseye on him, he’s gotta be smarter.
And of course I’m out of my mind, I’m a Ranger fan
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"Mexican't"?
A) Gomez was born and raised in Alaska.
B) What does the fact that he’s (half) of Mexican descent have to do with anything?
I apologize for missing this yesterday, let’s keep the racial terms out of the conversations please
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Avery had taken 4 penalties, and earned them all, your point would have some merit. But two of the calls on him were marginal at best – and they came from him doing exactly what he was brought in to do. How can you say he was at fault for those?
The punch at the end – while unlikely to have any effect on the Caps goalie – how is that any different from what he did on Tim Thomas that day? Where was the outrage then?
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Outrage?
Who’s outraged?
You want to talk outrage, look at Tortorellas expression as Avery paraded into the box time after time. That’s outrage.
Avery did deserve all 4 penalties.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity, but if Torts is already fed up with Avery after 20 or so games, how is he going to live with him for a full season? A couple of those calls last night were bogus, but with his reputation you’re going to run into old school refs who just don’t like him and will whistle him for looking cross-eyed at a goalie.
I dont buy it
Tortorella has that look on his face 99% of the game. Was he frustrated? Was he disgusted? Im sure he was. But to assume he was disgusted at Avery is a leap.
Avery got 5:08 of ice time in the 3rd period, including 2:09 on the PP. Hardly seems like a guy who’s coach was so frustrated at his play.
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Congratulations on finding your scapegoat!
Avery has been a sparkplug, first in getting into the playoffs and now with a 2-1 lead in the playoffs. But one bad game and you want him benched? Are you insane? Who other than Avery is going to the net, time after time? Avery has been a great addition and I dare say we’d be watching the playoffs, instead of a 2-1 lead in the first round, without him. Should Torts have a talk with him? Yes. He should remind him that the refs are dying to call penalties against him. But take him out of the lineup? Hell no.
did you read this part?
Certainly Avery is not solely to blame for last night’s loss. There is plenty of blame to go around,
Going to the net is only effective if you aren’t going to get penalized for it.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
and yes, you are absolutely right, a good old fashioned “Mike Brady talking to” and pat on the rump will straighten Sean out
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
btw, agree or disagree, I don’t care, I’m enjoying the debate. We’ve all got our opinions, Blueshirt Banter is up to 150 GM’s and counting. It’s all good. I had a feeling the minute I typed the word “Avery” into the title, people were going to come with passion
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
As i said before
Avery needs to be in the line up, if your going to bench anyone bench Drury he has been usless. Or Zherdev, but i feel like we need his shot.
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I just keep hoping Zherdev will find his way out of the cloud
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy is one of the handful of Ranger forwards who is wheeling it out there, and he will do anything to win. Isn’t that what the playoffs is all about?
exactly.
say what you want about Avery and the bullshit he does. In the end, he will do anything to win. He’s busted his ass every game he’s played for the Rangers. I’d rather have guy like him who walks on the edge than a player like Redden who doesn’t play with any sense of urgency.
willingness to "do anything to win"
is only worthwhile if the things you’re attempting to do in order to win aren’t having counterproductive results. Avery was hurting the team with his “do anything to win” nature on Monday.
You want a bold move, try benching the still injured Drury. Try benching the ineffective Zherdev. The ineffective Mexican’t Gomez who aborted every damned attack single handedly. Try winning a power play faceoff for once for chrissake. Try not going offsides 18 times a game. Benching one of the four players who show up for every game is just stupid, no matter how many penalties he is ‘awarded’. We have Hank, Bettsy and Sjostrom – they can take care of the kills.
Well said.
I’d be much more willing to sit the injured Drury and take a roll of the dice with Anisimov.
The Rangers inability to win faceoffs is absolutely pathetic.
Zherdev actually said after the game he is trying to get used to the speed and intensity of the playoffs
lets give him a little break (say this series) to get his act together. I agree drop Drury. But maybe we can pull up Mark Bell from the minors? Forgot about him? Me too lol.
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by Joe Fortunato on Apr 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him a break?
I’m sorry, but this is playoffs. No body gets a break. Zherdev can have a break over the next three months when he can work on whatever he wants to do back home in ZE MOTHERLAND RUSSIA. Zherdev has been handling the puck fine, he just hasn’t done anything with it yet.
And you’re essentially comparing Drury to Mark Bell. Yikes.
Give Zherdev a break?
I’m sorry but this is the playoffs.
There are no gimmies, no breaks.
What a joke.
Yeah it’s his first time in the playoffs, but he’s been in the league, he’s not a rookie.
No excuses, play like a champion.
Pick up Mark Bell? If the Rangers are going to scratch Drury, they need a center. Not a once upon a time winger. Anisimov would be the guy who should be called up.
by John Merrigan on Apr 21, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have
Bell than Anisimov. At least Bell has played in the playoffs before. But i wouldnt be overly opposed to Anisimov, he is the ebst player in the AHL right now.
But in a series like this i take the experience. Move Korpikoski onto the third line center and make Bell the 4th line winger, it really dosent matter.
Anyway no offense meant by my post lol.
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by Joe Fortunato on Apr 21, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Idea
Avery plays with heart and soul and sometimes he sits in the box deservedly and sometimes undeservedly. Last night he got dinged pretty badly, but the lack of emotion the entire team demonstrated had little to do with Avery’s penalties. The Garden had no life and whoever decided that handing out glowing fun sticks to the fans is a good party favor should be demoted to Hartford.
If you think that the team need shaking up, and I think panicking would be premature, why not let Drury heal before playing him and insert Anismov if he’s ready to shine. Drury has been, at best, a defensive superstar and face-off king. With a bum hand he can’t take draws, he can’t shoot, and he never could pass. So you’re left with a guy who knows how to position himself well, has a heart of gold, but can’t do anything to help the team win.
I figured Drury plays one handed because Torts can’t stomach Voros and doesn’t believe in putting untested rookies on the playoff roster. Would be shocked if there were a line-up change before game 4.
Chalk it up to a team-wide lack of intensity, something that you can’t blame Avery or Callahan for, ever.
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Ok, well that’s what this board is all about, discussion. Sometimes we’ll agree, sometimes not. I’m glad that even though most of you didn’t agree with me, you came out and said so. I’d rather hear that you disagree and why, then hear nothing. It’s even helped to soften my stance a little. You guys all did a great job, even the ones who called me “Crazy”, “insane”, and, oh yeah “out of my mind”
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