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Rangers Video: Enver Lisin Highlights

This is all happening all of a sudden, so bear with me here. I originally brought out the story on Grachev because I didn't really know anything about how he played. Well, we just got this 2nd Round pick from the Phoenix Coyotes, and again, I don't know anything about him.

Think Nikolai Zherdev in a lot of ways, maybe just not as good. Enver Lisin is from Russia and was a 2nd Round pick in the 2004 NHL Draft. Think back to when we drafted Lauri Korpikoski and Al Montoya in the first round, and then Dubinsky in the second. Ironically, now it's our first round pick Lauri Korpikoski traded on Monday, July 13 for Enver Lisin.

Here's a highlight reel I found on YouTube by kuleminfan posted on March 05, 2009, so it's recent. I've made this embed bigger than the Grachev video.  You'll have the option for High Quality (HQ) once you start the video.


   

Who does he remind you of? He definately showcases some moves Korkiposki can simply not perform. Some signs of Zherdev, no? Maybe more than you think. When the Rangers acquired Zherdev, all signs pointed to an offensive enigma with absolute no defensive responsibility. Zherdev made strides to overcome that last year. Now we have Lisin, who has so far posted a -36 +/- in just 78 career games. We all know you can't take +/- at face value, but those numbers are certainly startling, although he did improve to just a -13 in his 48 games this last season. However, also packaged with Lisin may come an attitude. In the 06-07 season after being called up to the Coyotes, he was placed back down in the minors, but Lisin refused his assignment. Subsequently, he was suspended and Lisin left the country and returned to Russia.

Now he has since played in the NHL and AHL again, so maybe all that is behind him. What we do know is this young, 23 year old forward definately has an upside of offensive finesse (13g-8a-21pts in 48 games last season)and a downside of defense. He was considered possibly the fastest skater of his draft - a draft that included Ovechkin and Malkin. Does he remind you of Zherdev? What do you think about Enver Lisin? He's a blueshirt now.

Edit - Just thought I'd throw some of the Great One Gretzky's words in here. Right before the all-star break of this season when Lisin scored the goal on Detroit where he jumped (in the video), similar to a move Zherdev performed last year but didn't score on,

Gretzky said afterwards that if there is a faster skater in hockey, "I don't know where he is."

"We knew he had incredible talent. . . . He really had a hard time both on the ice and off the ice," Gretzky said. "Off the ice because of the language barrier. It's tough for a guy, but he stuck it out, he hung in in San Antonio. He could have went home for triple the money, but he wanted to be an NHL player."

Since his recall from San Antonio, "he's been nothing but tremendous for us," Gretzky said.

The story found here also went on to say Lisin actually played some time on the Coyotes penalty-killing unit. On the goal against Detroit, Lisin said,

"I tried the move in practice. I like this move, and if you do it in practice a lot, it's kind of like in a game. (Speed) helps a lot. It's one of the more important parts of the game, skating, and I focus on it. I'm very happy I have the speed."

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the more even handed way to do his stats

is to look at last year and not the partial stints young players get as they are coming up. 13 goals 8 assts in 48 games with a -13.

had a hot start to the year and a very good finish of 3 G and 1 A in the last 4 games.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point. I’ll make a note of this mleetch352. Thanks.

"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"

by Calm Down on Jul 13, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks CD, I will move this to the main page in the morning, give everyone a chance to discuss the deal first

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 13, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Certainly.

"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"

by Calm Down on Jul 13, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

only thing with Zherdev

is probably the last thing Id call him would be fast.

If he’s as productive as Zherdev and makes not nearly as much, Id call this a win.

Only problem I have with all these wingers is who pivots for them?

Hopefully this does actually mean that Mr. Avery does move to the C, that would be nice seeing him center for this guy and maybe..Callahan?

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 13, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

more likely

it would be avery and this guy with artem in the middle.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dig

This guy seems like a good pick up. Im a little worried about the refusing assignment and going to Russia thing, but hopefully as you said Calm, that’s behind him. One thing I was encouraged by was his finishing skill. I like the way he stick handles to be sure, though, and he reminds a lot of a vintage mid 1990s Jaromir Jagr, just somewhat less polished and not as strong. I like the upside though. I’m excited to see him play next year.

by AllHailTheKing30 on Jul 14, 2009 4:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Defensive Liability ? Think not

http://www.russianprospects.com/public/profile.php?player_id=269

Skating: An amazing skater…the fastest Russian skater and possibly the fastest skater in the world born in ’86…excellent technique. Shot: A very good finisher and has a great wrist shot…very precise and deceivingly quick release…has very good control over his backhand. Technical Ability: An average puck handler, does not excel in great puck control, who depends more on his speed…uses the stick well in defensive situations. Pass: Doesn’t pass the puck often, as he is more of a finisher than a set up player…when he does pass, his passing ability is above average. Hockey Sense: Sees the ice very well at both ends of the ice…developing into a great two way player…a natural finisher, able to be at the right place at the right moment. Defensive Play: Surprisingly responsible defensively…uses his speed effectively to get back into the defensive zone…uses his stick work effectively in the defensive zone. Physical Play: Grew an inch in the spring and summer of ’03…not a physical player, depending on his speed, but is durable and can handle pressure well in traffic…defensively delivers the pressure at the boards, showing a good level of toughness and physical play. Intangibles: Has a very good attitude and a solid work ethic…listens well to authority… effective on his own, but needs a talented center to take full advantage of his scoring ability and speed.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=4671

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/enver_lisin

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20072008,2,1117&event=PHX85

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Lisin

by BryanE on Jul 14, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Hi Bryan, welcome to Blueshirt Banter. While the praise on Lisin has been abundant, the overall scouting report we’ve gotten from those we’ve asked have said he is a defensive liability. His minus 36 rating would seem to bear that out. It can always be improved though.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 14, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

what his stated potential is in a draft profile and the way a player plays when they develop are two completely different things. where those scouting reports can be of use is if his new coaching staff can teach him to use those skills he is supposedly predisposed to in being more responsible. Another way is to pair him with a two-way center as Artem is projected to be so that he has some ability to cover for him. the bigger key is just like with Zherdev to cut down on the neutral zone turnovers.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

listens well to authority

This will be a good building block for Torts, especially if this is true. He has some slick goals in that highlight reel, like the one where he hops around a d-man & uses him as a screen.

by BriGuy27 on Jul 14, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hearing about

how he bolted out of Pheonix because they wanted him to go to the AHL … I can understand it honestly. I see him doing good under Torts system this season. We got a lot faster with a little punch in us.

by Poe678 on Jul 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Sized the video down a bit. Was too big on the front page.

You gotta love the move he pulled on the Detroit goal. I saw that clip outside of the reel and the announcers said he was apparently in a scoring drought when he scored that and broke it. What a way to come out of a drought. :)

"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"

by Calm Down on Jul 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Liability... not?

alright.

Pheonix as a team= -137.

7 players have below -10 +/-.

These players include:

D David Hale -11
D Zbynek Michalek -13
D Derek Morris.. (HA!) -13
LW Daniel Carcillo (before trade) -13
RW Enver Lisin -13
C Kyle Turris -15
D Ed Jovanovski -15

I mean, Pheonix itself isn’t too great defensively. The -13 could just be the result of him playing in a poor defensive system? (sorry Pheonix) I wouldn’t start to call these players bad on defense, considering 4 of those players are defensemen.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!"

by rmc235 on Jul 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of them played the whole season, but you’re right. The -13 that came from last season doesn’t seem to be too bad in the proper context. Career wise, well, you just have to hope he’s improving, which seems to be true based on your post and a few others here. :)

"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"

by Calm Down on Jul 14, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

same time post! lol. Yea, you’re right CD.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!"

by rmc235 on Jul 14, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

to compare

the games played by these players were all a lot less than 82 (except Michalek and Jovanovski, the each played a full 82 games).

Hale – 48 games
Morris (forgot to mention, before his trade to us) – 57 games
Carcillo – 54 games
Lisin – 48 games
Turris – 63 games

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!"

by rmc235 on Jul 14, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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