Rangers News: Rangers trade Brian Fahey to Colorado for Nigel Williams (Update)
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 16, 2009 7:26 PM EDT
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PrintThe Colorado AvalancheHockey Club announced today that it has acquired defenseman Brian Fahey from the New York Rangersin exchange for defenseman Nigel Williams.
Fahey, 28, recorded 24 points (4g/20a) in 66 games with the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) in 2008-09. The 6-foot-1, 215-pound blueliner spent the 2007-08 campaign with the AHL’s Chicago Wolves, where he helped lead the club to the Calder Cup title by recording 10 points (2g/8a) in 24 postseason contests.
A native of Glenview, Illinois, Fahey was originally Colorado’s seventh selection (119th overall) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft. Fahey played collegiately at the University of Wisconsin, where he was named to the WCHA All-Rookie Team in 1999-2000.
Williams, Colorado’s second selection (second round, 51st overall) in the 2006 Entry Draft, totaled 21 points (7g/14a) in 70 games for the Lake Erie Monsters during the 2008-09 campaign.
Nigel Williams profile from Hockey's Future:
Talent Analysis (from HF)
Williams possesses a big 6'4 225 lb frame. He has unusually good puck-handling and skating skills for a player of his size.
mleetch352 put this up in a Fan Post after I put this up, here are his thoughts on the deal:
So here we have another upside young D-man that is still developing and should lot into the group we already have and at some point you have to think with all this prospect stocking on blue line that eventually sather is planning to deal 1 or 2 of these in a bigger deal. Even if this kid never fills out and develops into the player they thought he might be for Fahey there is absolutely no downside to this deal at least for the NHL level.
Update by Joe Fortunato: Here is what Zipay had to say about this. A few facts that i think got lost in the translation. Very interesting that the Rangers got a player who is 7 years younger. I wonder why the Avs wanted Fayhe, a career AHL player.
The Rangers do get younger, though.
Williams, the property of Colorado, is a 21-year-old prospect who played for AHL Lake Erie. Fahey is 28.
Williams, 7-14-21 in 70 games, has size at 6-4, 226 and skated with the U.S. National Under-18 Development Team during the 2005-06 season, registering three goals and four assists for seven points, along with 23 penalty minutes in 19 games. He's from Aurora, Ill and was Colorado's second round choice, 51st overall, in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. I'll bet Avalanche fans are grumpy.
Fahey has pretty much been an AHLer for the past six years. He appeared in 66 games with the Hartford Wolf Pack last season, collecting four goals and 20 assists. His two best seasons statistically were with the Chicago Wolves before joining the Pack.
Oh well, Sather is really wheeling and dealing the prospects. You're thoughts?
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hey I actually beat you to a news story, LOL
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 16, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
haha…no u beat me cause i wanted a scouting report but the one quote i found is not really a scouting report.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
the 7 year difference i believe was noted in that fanpost as fahey is 28…maybe colorado is looking to cut salary so much they think they can stick him in the nhl this year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
that on paper, again, that Sather seems to have nabbed a steal. First the Gomez trade, then the Korpo trade, now this.
I admit, this is the first I heard of Fahey, and I had originally thought he was a backup 2B on the Orioles.
Seems they got a nice big D-Man in Williams, and after gettting rid of their previous Nigel Im sure than having a Nigel in your farm system is a good thing.
well I posted your thoughts on the main page, and took down the Fan Post, great job
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 16, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
not a big deal…thanks for throwing the thoughts in there.
jim, any thoughts on who would be the first d-men to be dealt would be?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I think deep down they would love to unload Rozsival’s contract. The problem is they would need to replace him with a solid veteran D-man. Right now 4 slots are potentially taken on defense (Staal, Girardi, Redden, Rozsival, leaving them 2 d-men short. Not sure I see them going into the season with 2 rooks on the blue line. If they move Rosy, that leaves them 3 d-men short.
There are a few good defensemen left on the UFA market that wouldn’t come at a high price.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 16, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt mean them…i meant the prospects. everyone wants to dump rozi no surprise there and gilroy is basically a lock to make the team.
im talking about the Bobby Sangs, MDZ, McDonagh, Sauer, Williams, Heikkenen, Dowzak, Kundratek, Potters of the world.
Also does this stockpiling also mean it might be more “possible” that Sather is thinking about insurance policies if he doesnt want to or cant pay girardi next summer?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if Rozsival goes, which i don’t think any of us would be against, is there any truth to the grumblings about the interest in Anton Babchuk? he seems like everything that Rozsival isn’t and if Carolina isn’t going to pay him, he’d be a cheaper, better alternative than Rozi.
by whypitythedead on Jul 16, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
agree completely which i said the other day in a post. he should be about 3 mil a year and is the pp qb we need. a younger souray is probably the best comparison i can think of that someone else might have mentioned.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, thought you were talking about the big team roster.
Not sure Gilroy is a lock to make the team. If you heard our guests last night on the radio show, Russ Cohen seems to think Gilroy is nowhere near ready for the NHL.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 16, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but he has a 1 way contract
1.75 mil to sit in the AHL? I think not.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Yeah, he’s dressing/playing even if he’s another redden.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont get why people are so down on Rozy. The guy is coming off major hip surgery and was obviously a bit slower this year but with an off-season of rest he should be better. (I know can’t be much worse lol)
the reason is simple
5 million bucks on the cap and he can be dealt. redden 6.5 is worse but no one would take that deal
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need him this season. Yeah he is expensive but tell me how many in the NHL aren’t overpaid? I mean the lowest paid makes 475,000 lol
There's overpaid
and then there’s the R&R line tying up 20!!!! percent of the cap.
They need a veteran presence, but I’d rather see them trade Rozival, waive Redden, and go get Morris and Seidenberg, or some other relatively cheap alternatives. (Those two would cost about Redden’s money, maybe less).
There’s no way Sather is done moving parts though.
by George E. Ays on Jul 16, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
do not waive redden this year
sather will spend the money now and we wont have money to pay staal next year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
How much?
Do you think it’ll cost to retain Staal? And Girardi? (or has everyone resigned themselves to Girardi getting unloaded next year, or even this year)
by George E. Ays on Jul 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Girardi
I hope they don’t. I don’t know if everyone noticed how much he stepped it up towards the end of the season. He was a shot/pass blocking machine. He still needs a little work putting points up, but super solid on D.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 16, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
my guess says staal is 3.5 mil and girardi will be 2.5-3 mil.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
also dont forget that it appears that dubi is probably just getting a 1 yr deal so he will need a new deal and a raise next summer as well.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Arbitration?
Do either have rights? Because given Sather’s history of lowballing the RFAs, it seems like those numbers are high for both of them.
by George E. Ays on Jul 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
girardi will now have 4 years so he will have rights and staal with 3 if sather lowballs him someone will sign him to a sheet and plenty of other d-men have signed long term deals for 3 mil or more with 3 years.
Barker, green, weber, phaneuf, Meszaros.
most of those are more offensive than staal, the closest are probably barker and mez who got 3 and 4 mil respectively.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
also im not saying staal should get 3.5 for next season just if they do a long term deal hopefully 4+ years the cap hit would be in that range.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair
I was more thinking that because he lacks the offensive game (for now) that they might be able to stay closer to 2.5-3 for Staal.
I too hope they lock him up so if they could pay him for 3-5 years and front load it, getting the cap hit down would be good.
by George E. Ays on Jul 16, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, but if that is ur hope u dont understand the nhl cap. it is the average that counts as the cap hit no matter what you pay in whatever year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly why front loading the cap
brings down the salary. In Hossas 12 year 63 million dollar deal the first 7 years are worth 52 mil, thus allowing him to essentially make 7 mil a year with a cap hit of 6
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
front loading the contract**
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
that explanation doesnt work when he says 3-5 years, but good try joe.
if he said a 10-15 year deal then its different.
Hossas deal he makes 7.9 mil a year the first 7 and the cap hit is only 5.2 for the 12 years not 6.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You can front load any contract to lower the cap hit
If you sign Staal to a 2 year 8 million dollar deal and give him 7.5 the first year and .5 the second year your lowering the cap hit to 4 mil a year.
What you are saying for the Hossa deal is exactly that situation (congrats to you for looking up the exact stats i didnt have the time, but you get the idea)
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
and show me a 22 year old that has signed a front loaded deal?
Hossa’s deal is not the same because we all know the last 4 years he wont be in the league so he got his money will be retired and the hawks save cap space now and wont have to pay it later. Same with the deal like Franzen, they are just BS years added when a guy will be retired at 40 to lower cap hits. so lets give staal a dipietro 15 year deal and you can front load away…lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
forgot to add pronger to that list but the flyers didnt realize he wont sign it until after he is 35 so they are still on for the cap hit even if he retires, but they are trying to dispute that.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Frontloaded contracts
Corey Perry (ANA) – 5 yr, 26.6m. 23yrs old
Dion Phaneuf – 6yr, 39m 23 yrs old
Tom Gilbert (EDM) – 6r, 24m – 26yrs old (this is actually middle loaded, 3.5 front and back, 5m in the middle. Weird.)
Scott Hartnell – 6yr, 25.2 m, 25 yrs old
You can backload Staal’s deal too, it really doesn’t matter I suppose. As long as the cap number comes down.
Examples for that:
Rostislav Olesz (FLA) – 6yrs, 18.75m – 22 yrs old.
Milan Michalek (SJ) – 6yrs, 25.8m – 23 yrs old
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (SJ) – 4yrs, 12.4m – 22 yrs old
Mezsaros.
Indeed, it seems backloading the deal might be more appealing to Staal, considering the average ages of the two groups.
Anyway, story moral – 5yr, 14m or 6 yrs, 16.5m seems pretty doable, and keeps the cap hit below 3. And IMO, I wouldn’t go above that unless he picks it up offensively.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mleetch
no one is attacking you, dont feel threatened. I was just saying that ANYONE can sign a front loaded contract. If i were 22 7.5 million dollars in one year wouldnt look bad with a 500K follow up the next year. Thats all i was saying. I didnt say it was likley i just said it was possible.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Yes, I understand the cap. You can give Staal 4 years, 11M, keep the cap down, but pay him something like 4M, 3M, 2M, 2M or something and give him immediate security without tying up the cap room.
I’m not saying that will work persay, b/c Staal is young and probably isn’t looking to lock himself into too long a contract. But unless he improves offensively I think giving him a contract with a 3.5m cap hit is too high.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand it
5 years 13.m, cap hit 2.6m
year 1-3, 3m year 4-5, 2m.
Not that I’m saying that Staal would agree to that specifically. But I’m sorry, as much as I like Staal (15pts), he’s doesn’t fit in this list, other than that he’s a young defenseman.
Barker (40pts, 3.083m, 3 years)
Green (79pts, 5.25m, 4 years)
Weber (53pts, 4.5m, 3 years)
Phaneuf (47pts, 6.5m, 6 years)
Meszaros is a closer match, and they signed him for 6 years, back loaded. (2m the first year, 5.5 the last) But even he’s more talented offensively than Staal to this point.
Now a lot can change in a year, maybe Staal finds a way to hit the net with his shot once in a while and puts up 30-35 pts. Then 3.5 might be a reasonable number considering his defensive skill is on par if not better than that list.
Right now though, I think if he wants to pay 3.5m in 2010-2011, Sather should tack on a year or two of 1-1.5m salary on the back end.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
as i said the combo of the mez and barker deals is probably what i would look at. lower early payment with more years tacked on to bring the overall average up…maybe like 6/20 if he would sign on that long.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This is fun
I’m pretty sure this is what negotiating as Sather feels like, you can be Staal. Take 5/14.5 and be happy.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranger Smurf
Sather low balls RFA’s because if you dont offer an RFA by a ceartin date they become untenured. So he low balls them just to tenure them and retain their rights, then he negotiates.
I dont like his wait and see approach but he does it all the time.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions
problem with that approach on a player like staal is that RFA compensation is set not by the salary the new team pays the player but what you set the qualifying offer at so if he lowballs on a player like staal what he ends up doing is lowering the compensation he would get back. now maybe the league is going back to the less poaching era before kevin lowe kept signing people to all those offer sheets, but on staal i dont want it risked.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 17, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont understand what your saying
Sather gives the guys the lowest salary he can offer so lets talk about Callahans 660K offer that then turned into a 2.3 million dollar deal. Callahan is aware of how much he is worth, he doesnt have to sign an offer sheet if he thinks he can make more.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 17, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lowe
Lowe would offer people ridiculous offer sheets and drive up your numbers.
I think that era is over though b/c of the economy, you’d think if someone was going to poach they’d have offered Dubinsky something crazy like 5 years 23m by now.
Still a shitty strategy, but it is what it is.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Also does anyone find it weird that Korpi didn’t accept the rangers qualifying offer of over a million but he accepted the 2 year 700,000 per deal from Phoenix?
he must like the heat and hate money.
by louielounz1 on Jul 16, 2009 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And playing in front of 7000 fans
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 17, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That is odd
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 16, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My spies say Rangers only offered him 1 year they wouldnt go 2
Thats why he went to the yotes.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 16, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Find someone to take Rozival off our hands
And replace him with Sergei Zubov. Zubov would be our PP QB and a mentor to our young D men. (Redden can’t even wear Zubov’s jock)
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 16, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
much rather pay for a kid like Babchuk who is still 25 then living in the past with zubov.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Babchuk would not be the PP QB that we need.
Zubov can still make is incredible passes when healthy. And I believe he is healthy.
Lopez wants it away, and it's hit deep to left center, Andruw Jones on the run, this one has a chance... home run!!, Mike Piazza!, and the Mets lead 3 to 2!!
-Howie Rose
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 16, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that’s true, its not like babchuk’s 9 pp goals last year outscored the entire rangers’ defense…oh wait.
by whypitythedead on Jul 16, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
lol i like babchuck
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No more old people
No Shanny, No Zubov, No Gretzky, No Howe, No Orr. No No No.
by George E. Ays on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Messier again? :)
"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"
Well
Messier has been my favorite player since 85 (i was only born in 78).
But still no.
by George E. Ays on Jul 17, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree sather is getting ready for a big move regarding moving alot of his defensive prospects, but dont be surprised if its for a big time center or winger like heatley.{Although torts seems content with dubinsky heading the first line and i agree.} Either that or like you said he is gearing up for Girardi’s replacement next year.
by louielounz1 on Jul 16, 2009 8:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree sather is getting ready for a big move regarding moving alot of his defensive prospects, but dont be surprised if its for a big time center or winger like heatley.{Although torts seems content with dubinsky heading the first line and i agree.} Either that or like you said he is gearing up for Girardi’s replacement next year.
by louielounz1 on Jul 16, 2009 8:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Trade for Kovalchuk?
No one’s talked about this since draft day, but I remember ATL wanted NHL ready players and solid young defensemen, Girardi and a prospect or two plus a newly acquired forward for Kovalchuk would suit me just fine if we were able to bring Babchuk and/or Zubov for a year. Is Kovalchuk still a possibility, or wishful thinking at this point?
by AllHailTheKing30 on Jul 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
we couldnt afford him against the cap unless they took rozi too, they would probably want dubi or grachev with girardi.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather's on the phone with everybody.
I think Glen’s a little lonely and just making deals so he can get other GM’s on the phone. I think we need to sign him up for the big brother program so he can relax on the meaningless trades.
Don't be surprised that you will be surprised
once Sather makes a big deal. It might shock you.
Oh.. since when are we talking about Girardi being dealt? Keep him. There is a thing called a farm system. And there is a thing called having the ability to play well consistently in the pro level.
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!"
I smell.............
A big deal in the works. Either this year or next. Sather will move 1 or 2 of our elite defensive prospects for a high end center or winger. You can count on that. We have a surplus of blue chip defensive prospects and cant possibly keep them all. Bobby Sang, MDZ, Gilroy, Mcdonagh, Sauer, Potter, Baranka, and now this guy Nigel Williams. A couple of these guys are going and im very excited to see who Slats will bring in. Cuz remember boys, Sather is a master at trades if nothing else. Getting Jagr and Avery at discount prices, the Gomez miracle etc. Also if you get a chance, go to hockeysfuture.com and read up about this Russian? d-man Pavel Valentenko we got in the Gomez deal. They say he is an agitator with a HUGE shot from the point. A cross between Kasperaitis and Ulf Samuelsson. He plays the body with big hits. They call him the most hated guy in the AHL. Good stuff boys………..good stuff. Cupboard is def not bare huh?
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