From the "beating a dead horse dept.": Heatley Deal was 95% done?
Note from Jim: Roc1193 is a new member of our site (and we welcome him to the Banter!) who put this up as a Fan Post, and since this is still a hot topic, I figured I would move it to the main page.The Heatley rumors sparked up again yesterday, but as near as I can tell it was nothing more than a bored hockey blogger (Whose name may or may not rhyme with "Teklund") trying to stir the pot.
Just a couple of notes on this particular story: I love how this guy at Sports Talk Buzz takes credit for "first reporting" not only the Dany Heatley to the Rangers story, but also that the Rangers are going to walk away from Nik Zherdev.
Well hell's bells fellas, we might as well shut down the whole darn hockey blogosphere, because apparently this guy is breaking all the news, all the time.
Anyway, submitted for your approval, here it is.
From Sports Talk Buzz
The Dany Heatley saga has taken on a new twist today.
In a few NHL circles, people are saying that Heatley is being forced by both the Ottawa Senators and Edmonton Oilers to make a decision about waiving his no-trade clause over the course of the next day. Look, at this point he ain't going to Edmonton otherwise it would have been done by now. The longer this whole scenario has gone on, the less likely that the Oilers would even want this guy on their team. Why would you want a selfish jerk on your team if you are Oilers management? How do you sell Heatley to your fans and most of all your loyal season ticket holders? The guy has flat out refused on more than one occasion that he doesn't want to play in Edmonton so how could management or even Heatley spin it to show everyone that he genuinely wants to be in Edmonton? I am sure everyone, including myself that the Oilers rumours would just end at this point.
As first reported here back before the NHL Entry Draft, the NY Rangers deal to land Heatley was 95% done and everyone involved thought it was done. That was until Sens GM Bryan Murray tried to get more out of the Rangers for Heatley. He went against the "code" and released the names of the potential deal with Edmonton hoping to use it as leverage against the Rangers. Unfortunately for Mr. Murray, he messed up BIG time and Rangers GM Glen Sather pulled his deal off the table and said he wouldn't pursue the high priced winger anymore out of principle due to what Murray had done to the Oilers. It's no surprise that Sather's ties to the Oilers organization had alot to do with it. Sather didn't want to see longtime friend Kevin Lowe get burned, nor did he like to see Oilers management have to deal with Murray's shady tactics. At some point, the Rangers might get desperate again and jump back into the Heatley sweepstakes. They originally offered defensemen Ryan McDonagh who Ottawa asked for before the Gomez deal was completed along Ryan Callahan and Michael Del Zotto. NY recently signed Callahan to a new contract but had held out hoping he would be Ottawa and the Sens would get a new deal done at that point for him. As well, it would take nothing for the Rangers to bury Wade Redden's contract in the AHL with their affiliate in Hartford. This has been talked about quite alot over the past few weeks with Rangers management due to.......surprise Sens fans....Redden's poor play.
Teams that are interested in Heatley's services and have the necessary cap space are the Dallas Stars and Columbus Blue Jackets. Both teams have talked to Murray on numerous occasions and as I stated here in a blog two weeks ago, Dallas could be the darkhorse in the Heatley chase. I have been told by numerous sources that they would be extremely surprised if San Jose could make the necessary moves to bring in Heatley's contract. Meanwhile, the Stars would like to keep Brad Richards and not have to include him in any deal. James Neal would be the focal point of any deal involving Dallas, while Derek Broussard is the player the Sens covet if they were to swing a deal with Columbus. Don't kid yourself on the Jackets, GM Scott Howsen has told Rick Nash he will do everything possible to get his Team Canada linemate in a Jackets uniform.
Staying with the Rangers, again....as first reported back here on June 26th, NY wants to walk away from Nikolai Zherdev. He has gone to arbitration and once the arbitrator comes back with a contract number, at that time the Rangers will not accept the ruling, therefore making him an unrestricted free agent. Watch for the Oilers to make a push for Zherdev. Lastly in NY, Derek Morris will be looking for a new team as there is no interest in bringing him back to the Big Apple.
New York will once again make a push for Phoenix Coyotes defensemen Ed Jovanovksi. He has two years left on his deal and has a no-trade clause. Even though Jovo built a new house in Scottsdale a little over a year ago, NY is the one team he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause for.
The Rangers are interested in the services of Sens free-agent defensemen Brendan Bell along with the LA Kings. Both teams are making a big push for Bell's services. Bell would want a one-way deal and could help either team on both the powerplay and bring some solid depth on the blueline. Here is hoping Bell winds up in a great situation for the coming season.
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LOL
if the Rangers pry away Jovanovski, it would be 100% official that Phoenix is the Rangers AAA club.
I could imagine them sending Rosival out there too in that deal.
The constant d-man rumors...
….don’t make any sense unless Rozsival and/or Redden gets moved., or God forbid Sather just trades away all the young guys.
I certainly don’t get trading Rozie for a defenseman that is older and costs more.
They still have a need at LW and perhaps C to address, I have to think any more trades Sather has cooked up have to involve those positions.
Food for thought
Since Rozsival came to the Rangers:
Michal – 36-102-138, +28 19-44-63 on the pp. – 318 games
Jovo – 40-109-149, -42, 26-52-78 on the pp. – 260 games
So sure, Jovo’s a better offensive player. But there’s a -70 difference! And it ties up more cap, though for one less year than Rozsival, for an older player.
There have to be better deals for Rozsival out there.
The Coyotes
suck nuts.
Don’t use +/- as an indicator, cuz it will lead you to believe taht -70 actually means something. The other 4 idiots on the ice and the crappy goalie contribute a lot to that.
Jovinator’s better offensively, and better defensively. He’s a tough bastard Id take him in a second over Rosi
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok then
Behind the net, 5 on 5 ratings (behindthenet.ca) for 2008
Rozsival: -0.14 rating, Quality of Competition 0.04. quality of Teammates 0.05, pts per 60min: 0.56, GAON (goals against while on the ice) 2.53 per 60 min, GFON 2.22
Jovo: -0.15 rating, Quality of Competition -0.02, Quality of Teammates 0.02, pts per 60: 0.61, GAON 2.58, GFON 2.01
But Rozsival played against tougher competition and the team allowed fewer goals per 60 while he’s on the ice and scored more, at even strength.
However, it’s the special teams where Jovo clearly has an edge:
Powerplay:
Rozsival – QualComp 1.2 GFON/60 – (Goals For, On Ice, per 60 minutes) 4.71
Jovo – QualComp 1.39, GFON/60 5.69
Shorthanded:
Rozsival – QualComp – 1.64, GAON/60 – 6.68 (by far the worst on the rangers, though Derek Morris was equi-bad)
Jovo – QualComp 2.17,GAON/60, GAON/60 5.88 (but easily the best on the coyotes)
It also doesn’t quantify “tough,” but there’s an interesting article floating around right now about how hitting doesn’t translate to points in the standings. I’ll find the link later, had it forwarded to me.
But the question is whether the difference between Rozsival and Jovo is worth the extra 1.5m cap hit next year. And with Staal and Girardi RFAs, I’d argue it is not.
by George E. Ays on Jul 18, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 good post
by those stats it seems they are equal.
I just don’t know that Id call them equal. All I know is Jovinator is still regarded as one of the better defensman in the league. Rosival is not in any sense of that.
Id like to know how many times Jovanovski turns the puck over per game, cuz Rosival LOVES to do that.
The outlet pass is gonna be a big part of the Rangers game this season, with them getting faster all across the forward positions. I don’t know how great Jovi is at doing that, tho Im sure he’s good. But Rosival is not at all good at that.
Is he worth taht extra 1.5 million? I don’t know, but his contract is less in years than Rosival, so even if he’s just as good it will be easier to deal with
THe rangers will be able to sign Staal and Girardi too. Im sure that by then Redden’s contract will be gone, and if he really proves this season that he’s not worth it, Drury may be bait too.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this the first time the components of the deal were released? McDonagh, Callahan, MDZ?
Thinking about it, although I love Callahan, sucks the deal couldn’t be completed. Murray = douche. Really, I hope Heatley’s contract screws him over more.
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It was not Callahan MDZ DcDonagh
I can promise you that
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it sounded a little weird
that basically makes me re-think my above comment…. besides the “Murray = douche” part, but whatever..
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!"
As it was happening
I heard Rozsival, Dubinsky, MDZ and a 1st. Then they started asking for Callahan and Staal (one or the other)
Anisimov was part of the deal at some point also I think.
re: so glad...Heatley is a whiner
And that deal didn’t happen! I love bothDubinsky & Ryan Callahan, their grit makes up far more than Heatley’s “natural talent”. Not denying that Mr. Heatley isn’t a good scorer or player, but I would have bet the house that once he became a Ranger….
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Jovo Cop!!!!!
Jovanovski is a cool player.
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
First Reaction From This Article
The scenario of the deal being close to being completed makes sense. Murray should have never released the names of the players included until the deal was 100% done. Meaning Heatley approved the move. It could very well be that Murray did that to make Sather up his offer. If this is why Sather pulled the offer and signed Gaborik, good for him.
I doubt Callahan was included in the deal along with McDonagh and Del Zotto. That’s entirely too much considering the situation. Also, I would say that this offer in itself was better than the Oilers offer. It would make sense that McDonagh was included since it was speculated when the Gomez deal went through that the Sens wanted him.
Everyone knows the Rangers might let Zherdev walk. No news there.
Also, every 6 months there is a Jovo to the Rangers rumor. Again, no news there.
I’ve never heard of sports buzz so im taking everyone with a grain of sea salt
Ryan, I think Jovo has been rumored to be coming to the Rangers since his second or third season
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 18, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
a little of topic...
i like zherdev…there i said it…i think we should give him one more year (at the right price)…we did give up tyutin for him…give him a chance
Thanks guys for letting me be part of the site!!
As for this article I posted it for fun. Although I did think the deal for Heatley was close I can’t see Ottawa not taking any money back. Rosival needed to be part of that trade. I’m not saying I won’t take Heatley for the right price,cause I would, but I think the team not more depth up the middle.
As for Jovocop I don’t want him. He’s always up and down. Two years ago I thought he was coming here for Paul Mara and for what I heard he exercised his no trade clause. I don’t want a guy that doesn’t want to win!! He would rather say with a team going nowhere then try to win a cup.
I would rather have Zubov for one year. A winner and a Warrior!!
Our pleasure to have you, and you and I are in the minority on Zubie, I’d take him for a year as well
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would also love to have Zubov
When healthy he is a top 10 defender in the leauge. Great on the PP and solid in his own zone.
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG, More trade rumors ...surprising!
First off, i cant stand these imaginary trade talks, Cally, and mdz ??? If any of these rumors actually held wieght sathers more of an idiot than we all know he can be. I would like to bid zherdev a grand farewell, dont let the door hit your lazy ass on the way out. For everyone that may like zherdevs potential give it a rest, he gave good spotty performances and dissappeared in the playoffs. Gaborik, kotalik, and cally are going to be fine right wingers for the team this year. Zherdev put up around the same numbers with nash as he did with Gomez, his magical potential is a joke, why isnt Crosby or Carters potential talked about, ooh thats right they actually play hard.
As for trading rozy, i say lets give him half the year at least and see what he does, he is durable and smart, i mean he some how hired an agent that convinced mgmt to give him 5mill per.trust me, him and redden will play harder this year im sure being booed all the time isnt good for your psychy, look at a-rod…no one likes to be the goa
Blueshirt Banter will not be covering the Rangers from Avery to Zherdev anymore
Probably Avery to Voros now.
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that the other day, may have to change the tagline
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
we could just petition Sather
to sign Zubov?
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It will change regardless
once ANisimov makes the team it become Anisimov to (whomever it will be)
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You could fudge it
Anisimov to Zotto, Michael Del
jovonoski ?
that would be nice to get him he is long in the tooth but so is zubov i remember in his prime jovo cop would always be in eris lindros face what battles they had in the mid 90,s good solid d man i would love him to be a ranger …..
his cap hit is like 7 million though
isn’t it? And he really doesn’t score that many goals.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

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