Ranger Analysis: Why all of the fuss over Gaborik?
by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
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On July 1stthe Rangers made a splash in the free agency by signing Marian Gaborik to a 5 year deal work 7.5 per year. Now why everyone is under the assumption that the Rangers were stupid for signing Gaborik is anyone’s guess, but today I found something that I just cannot ignore. Thehockeynews.com writer John Grigg wrote an article that claimed that Marian Gaborik was the worst free agent signing of the 2009 off-season. Not Brian Gionta for 5 years 5 million per, not Hossa for 12 years 62.8 million but Marian Gaborik.
Let’s just get down to what he had to say.
After managing to move one onerous contract out of town (Scott Gomez), GM Glen Sather simply took on another. Gaborik will count for $7.5 million towards the cap (tied for seventh in the league), more than any other player signed this summer. Unfortunately for Rangers fans, you can expect him to not put up numbers worthy of such a cap hit. Gaborik will be a point-per-game player, but expect that to mean 60 points or so on average. He’s electric on the ice, but can’t stay healthy. Even more discouraging, Gaborik demonstrated a me-first attitude while working to get back to the battling-for-the-playoffs Wild when he admitted to not watching Minnesota games and worrying only about his return. A health risk and a seemingly selfish player; not a good mix.
This isn’t the only person to have a problem with the signing, but every one of them cites the same reason: he is injury prone. Okay great guys, thanks for the news flash; now let me drop some knowledge on those of you who think this way.
For starters before Marian Gaborik was signed he was evaluated by (and let me bold this to show importance) New York Ranger team doctors. These doctors deemed that the hip surgery was a success—as if his final 11 games with 10 goals and 8 assists wasn’t enough—and that there would be no future problems. So they gave Sather the green light and he went ahead with the move. All of a sudden Sather is a moron for trading Gomez—as pure passer—to make cap room for a pure scorer. Who will feed Gaborik the puck? We are doomed!
If you haven’t realized Gaborik is one of the only snipers who doesn’t need a playmaker to be effective, he does most of the work himself. Look atthis youtube video on awesome Gaborik goals if you don’t believe me, 90% of the goals he does all of the work.
And whats with being upset with offloading Gomez? He was a square peg in a round hole, he just didn't fit. And the Rangers badly needed a sniper and Gaborik was just that. So why wouldn't they use the money they got to address the issue? I don't see this as anything but a good move, you?
As for being a selfish player thing let’s look at the quote: "When he admitted to not watching Minnesota games and worry only about his return." Oh my goodness! How can he be so selfish? To think that he wants to get onto the ice to help his team as fast as possible so he doesn’t watch all of the games! I don't know about you but to me this is such a minor detail that it isn't even worth saying. Who cares whether or not Gaborik was watching games while he was injured. All of a sudden him worrying about coming back instead of games where he cant help makes him selfish? Oh my I would rather have Terrel Owens on my team than this team cancer! Obviously I am being facetious but you can see what I am talking about.
Thus far we have had two unbelievable posts on staying positive this off season. I just wanted to show you how crazy much of the NHL world is. I realize there are tons of Ranger haters out there, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous. So before we deem that Gaborik is a lost cause and will only play in 14 games this year lets let the season actually start. For the first time in as long as I can remember—aside from the one year of Jagr— the Rangers have a quality pure sniper on the roster. Not a player they pay like one, a player who has the skills.
Don’t forget that many of you hated this team last year and deemed that they wouldn’t be efficient—and they weren’t. This team is going to be a lot more fun to watch then last year’s team, this much is certain. So let’s relax and let’s drop the puck.
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I have to say, I disagree with you completely Joe
Gaborik might not have been the worst signing, but he’s definitely in discussion
gaborik has missed 136 games in his 8 year career due to injuries, thats 21%. If he continues that pace he will have missed over a full seasons worth of games during his 5 year deal with the rangers.
people can say what they want about how his hip surgery has fixed all his problems, but arod had the same surgery and the guy runs like he has a shit in his pants now and needs to take a day off every week. how is gaborik going to hold up playing a contact sport?
there is nothing that says b/c gaborik will be wearing a different sweater next year his injury woes won’t follow his move. regardless of what happens, it was a reckless use of resources by Sather and it was the wrong move.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
apples and oranges
Not that I love the Gaborik signing, but to compare his surgery to A-Rod is not fair. A-rod hasn’t had a fraction of the recovery time Gabroik has had. In addition, I believe A-Rod’s surgery was a “quick fix” and additional surgery is required in the upcoming off-season.
Gaborik is now the highest paid player on the team and will continue to draw most of the attention, blame & credit, but I don’t think Gaborik’s health is the biggest issue on this team.
by NYdemo on Aug 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick fix or not, Gaborik’s hip surgery doesn’t really mean anything until he plays a full season. Until then, there is very, very good reason to question his health.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about it being in the discussion for worse signings. Rangers had a need that had to be filled, and did it as best they could, without surrendering any young players.
A-Rod has also chemically altered his body, which is probably effecting his overall health and healing ability as well.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be in discussion though, Sather shelled out five years to one of the most notoriously injury plagued players in the past decade. Gaborik was coming off of a year in which he played 17 games, regardless of how many points he scored, how many 4, 5 year offers do you think Gaborik had July 1? My guess is he only had one. It’s great Sather didn’t give up prospects for him, but he shouldn’t have signed him if that is what it will take. Everything with the Rangers is here and now and worry about the future when it comes. It was when the signed Drury and Gomez and it is again now that they signed Gaborik. They should have waited for better options to become available like Kovalchuk next summer. Just because he’s the best available doesn’t mean its the best decision for the franchise.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What????
Ryan, you are proving ONE thing for certain, Your Blog gets No Hits because you dont have the content on it that this one does! Yes, Gaborik has been injured in the past. He had surgery to repair that injury, If you believe that a Professional Sports Franchise, in particular the Rangers, are going to risk signing him without checking into his recuperation, than I suggest you stick to updating your Blog Page more frequently ( which currently is behind the times ).
While signing a player ( any player ) coming off surgery is risky; Gaborik played the final 11 games of Minnesota’s season and had 18 Points! I think the surgery was successful Ryan! Furthermore, he has had the entire summer to rest and improve his strength and conditioning.
Lets get back to the original point……The Worst Signing of the Off Season! Clearly thats that of Hossa. Chicago signed him LONG TERM WITHOUT—-I repeat—WITHOUT checking him out!
So Ryan, FINAL ANSWER—-is signing someone ( Gaborik ) who proved he is healthy after surgery by scoring points WORSE than signing someone long term to a big contract, who DIDNT score when was needed ( without any thought of injury supposedly ) ????
You’d be foolish, More importantly, if you were GM and did the Hossa signing, you might be in jeopardy…versus signing Gaborik with the same money that you had already committed to a flashy speedster that doesnt fit unfortunately to your current team.
Get with the program, Lets get over the Sather Bashing—-its getting old and frankly wont get anything to happen any sooner!
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your words copied from The Manic Ranger
“Not to state the obvious but the Rangers biggest problem last season was their horrendous power play. But adding a proven sniper like Gaborik and a player who has a howitzer of a slap shot on the point in Ales Kotalik will no doubt make them better on the man advantage. Seriously, they were bottom 5 in the league the only play to go from there is up. Also now that Tortorella has training camp to install his power play and has the tools to make it work, the Rangers will be able to score those game breaking goals with the extra man that they never were able to do last season.”
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ITC, Ryan is the Manic Ranger, look at his profile pic
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read the rest of the article dipshit
It might sound like I’m drinking some serious red white and vodka punch, but it’s not all rose colored. I don’t think the Rangers finish higher than 6th next season and I think they take the last playoff spot if Gaborik plays less than 70 games. But that’s mostly due to the fact that the Atlantic is the best division in the NHL. The Hockey News needs to wake up and realize this is the post-lockout Rangers, not the team that toiled in the basement for the first half of the decade.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically, as i said before, the rangers are the same team as last year if gaborik doesn’t play a full season
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut it out, dude
We come to the comments section for intelligent discussion, not childish insults. If you want to personally attack people for no reason, 4chan might be a website more suited to you.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, youre one of those NEGATIVE, glass half guys, the ones that are always ready to jump off a bridge….Should change your moniker to
“The PANIC Ranger”
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whose jumping off the bridge? why dont you actually read a full article before you go and slam it. how about u actually make a legitimate point instead of failing miserably with petty insults that would only make a 15 year old flustered?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, you win...and youre right....
Very sorry for misunderstanding your words Ryan. But, for someone who isnt flustered like a 15 yr old, youre sure posting as quickly as aforementioned.
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if thats not a 15 yr old mentality….lol, seriously—dont reply to my banter anymore, people are more interested in hearing hockey talk.
Your much better than that, take a deep breath…we’ve obviously misinterpreted the lines of communication. Your not a bad guy, Im not a bad guy.
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude at the way your going, I wouldn’t be surprised to see you banned. No one here attacks others.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I wouldnt be surprised either….frankly I wouldnt be that upset, after all Im not a child and Ive done nothing other than state my opinion as has Ryan
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ve been more on the “hate” side than “opinion” side.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now all of sudden you’re a sweetheart. funny change of pace
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. After I mentioned the word “banned”, he began to apologize.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
WOW, to be Banned form a Blog Site would be so humiliating. I took exception to Ryans comments, so what—Im over it, I hope he is too. Like you scared me with "threatening to Ban me, come on……
I will however be the man about it and apologize for calling Ryan out on his words. " I apologize for that Ryan. I also apologize for suggesting you as a whiney jumping off the bridge guy, and suggesting you a Sather basher."
But, dont think for a second Im doing it to be “Allowed” to remain a poster on this or any other site. Cause I aint no sweetheart. Enough said.
As for reading the articles completely, I did just that! Completely. Frankly, IMO, your headline read “Negative”, maybe a bit of sensationalism . Its well written, and opinionative, IMO….but thats what we all have—-OPINIONS.
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally Disagree
A-Rod was a quick fix and is still technically hurt so that’s a mute point. A better comparison would be A.J Burnett, who like Gabby was always injured…Hopefully not jixing it he has had a great FULL season in pinstripes. Sometimes injuries are related to one thing that is not addressed, I’m hoping that he is in fact healthy, I definalty don’t think the signing is bad. If he can play 60 games a year and the playoffs if they make it, that’s great.
by DarthRichter on Aug 13, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
now are Rangers fans like myself going to wince at every single hit this season, every single game, every time he touches the puck, and then we have to pray he doesn’t get injured? Hey, let’s do that for EVERYBODY?
C’mon Ryan. Do you honestly believe Gabby is going to get nudged a little on the boards, then drop dead or something? Injuries happen to anybody, and we are lucky to have no injuries during the season. If there is anyone we don’t want to get injured, pray for Henrik. I mean, you never know whats going to happen, but to sit at every game thinking the guy is fragile as anything is really overreacting.
He was evaluated by the Rangers’ team doctors. The surgery went great, he’s feeling very good, I don’t think an injury is going to happen, but if it does, it does. You can’t pull the health card if he doesn’t get a point per game. I bet another player signed this offseason is going to get injured this year. But that doesn’t mean the signing was atrocious.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
injuries happen to everybody, but they happen every season to Marian Gaborik. And yeah I do think he’s that fragile, because he has been that fragile in the past. Ask Wild fans. Missing 136 games because of injuries is not overreacting. Sure THIS surgery went great, as opposed to all the other surgeries he’s had that have also gone ‘great’.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what other surgeries has he had? He had a similar surgery on his right hip, then played 77 games. Led the Wild to a division championship. Then, now, he had surgery on his left hip. I think, his right side is healthy, and his left side will be too.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not like im sitting here hoping gaborik gets hurt. but i can very easily see the rangers having the same problem with gaborik as they had with gomez and still have redden. too much money invested in too little production
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the production will be an issue with Gaborik. If anything really. We need to see him play so we know how he handles himself, and to see what type of issues we should be watching for.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From all accounts if he stays healthy…and thats something we’ll have to see, he should be unreal. That game when he scored 5 goals on Hank still burns in my mind. We know he can score and play a complete game. We don’t know if he can stay healthy.
by fromthe51hate on Aug 13, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're really overblowing the injuries
Yeah 136 games sounds like a lot when you dont mention that 99 of them came in 2 seasons. He played in no less than 65 games his other 6 seasons which, while not perfect, is far from the glass Joe you paint him to be. I can handle Gaborik playing 65 games a year if he puts up 70 points and is healthy for the playoffs. It’s really not any different than paying Jagr to loaf around for the first 50 games so he can “save himself for the playoffs.”
There’s also something called a calculated risk. The Rangers are taking a chance here, but sometimes you have to do that when you’re trying to win a championship. If the Rangers didnt give Gaborik that contract, somebody else would have.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is that calculated? do you really think glen sather does anything that is calculated? this is no different than the summer when gomez and drury were signed and rangers fans were getting ready to etch their name on the cup.. then reality set in. that break down also isn’t accurate. with the exception of his first 3 seasons consistently missed significant time since ’04 with the exception of one year where he played 77 which was followed by 17 games
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calculated risk
Is when the Pros outweight the Cons. Gaborik is a ppg player. Yes he has injury problems, but unless he gets a career ender on his first shift, common logic dictates that he will put up the numbers to justify at least most of that contract. This isnt like signing Redden or Drury. This guy is a legitimate talent.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and nikky zherdev was legitimate talent, people are saying they would be satisfied if he plays 65 games or so. ok well he’s a ppg game player so he scores 65 points. well zherdev hit 58 last year and that didn’t bode well for the rangers. instead now they’re paying 7.5 million for 65 points? ridiculous
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Ryan, you’ve got to get out of that “Bubble World” your living in. You sound like a 48 year old virgin germ freak….Let your hair down, put on your best cologne, your favorite polyester slacks and hit the towm kid.
The world isnt ALL terrible! There are some friendly folks out there…….The glass is half full, NOT empty.
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t you come down to philly big guy and try to keep up. i love how people have something to say on message boards but if they ever met the real person they would change their attitude real fast.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
I’m out in the burbs, about half an hour northwest of the city in Montgomery County.
Philly Ranger fans gotta stick together!
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, yeah i goto school there, philly fans are the worst kind of animal.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived in Philly for ten years, moved to DC two years ago. Let me tell, you, as much as I hate Philadelphia fans, I never got accosted at a game until I went to a Rangers/DC game. These guys are ignorant animals (no offense to any ignorant animals reading this post).
by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been here for 17 years, and was never bothered until the Phillies won the World Series. Suddenly they’re all arrogant assholes and you cant walk around with a Mets jersey without having 35 drunk frat boys scream in your face. It’s such a sad state of affairs, especially considering that just 2 years prior, every Mets-Phillies game at CBP looked like Shea Stadium.
And the sadder part is that it will go right back to that in a few years. For a city that prides itself on blue collar loyalty, they’re a bunch of fair weather fans.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally. There really aren’t that many Phillies fans from what I recall. I have all sorts of old friends that are suddenly die hard Phillies fans and I’m like “YOU DIDN’T GET A CRAP ABOUT BASEBALL AT ALL TWO YEARS AGO!”
by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 14, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree, I’ve had zero problems with Philly fans other than some back and forth taunting. One of the worst experiences I ever had with opposing teams fans was in the old Cap Centre, Game 4 of the 1994 Eastern Conference Seminfinals. It was ugly.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Ranger fans have to stick together, that’s why we are here
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chest bump huh! LOL!
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know it brother! If I had 24 inch pythons, I’d be kissing them right now
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont worry ryan when we meet ill be who i am on this board
lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy, dont act like a tough guy….especially when you dont know who you’re talking to…..whether its in Philly or otherwise…Dont hide behind some city as if its gonna jump up to protect you…Ive fought many knuckle heads, won and lost and one thing for sure, it just doesnt matter if its home or away…..when your in the ring…its mano a mano……so put your mouth where mouth IS…..step up to the Mic.
Lets get it on in Gleason’s!!!! Westbury PAL…..I dont hear you chirpin anymore….OHHHHH,because Im banned, right…..
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GLADLY RYAN!
why don’t you come down to philly big guy and try to keep up. i love how people have something to say on message boards but if they ever met the real person they would change their attitude real fast.
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by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old are you? 3 hours later and your still complaining. For someone who supposedly “doesn’t care” you certainly whine an awful lot. And, your a hypocrite. You said don’t act tough because it’s a blog, but look at what you’ve been writing. Just take it easy pal. As Jim said, we’re all friends here.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is how Sather “calculates risk” – hey, this guy’s a free agent. Waitaminute, someone else MIGHT sign him? Give him more money than he’s worth, and offer more years than any other team!! quick!! do it now before someone else grabs him!!!
by nullzero00 on Aug 29, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Many injured players in many sports admit it is difficult to watch the team play without them and often don’t do it, to me that’s a non-issue
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who even cares?
THN is a joke. I put them in the same category as Bleacher Report and Hockey Buzz in terms of credibility. What more would you expect from a site that predicts the Rangers will finish 13th in the east?
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This Gaborik as the worst signing thing is probably a huge influence in the other article. Toss it in the trash, or, better yet, hang it up like Jagr did to prove everyone wrong.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THN really has become a joke and their ranking of Gaborik as the worst signing is influenced by their own bias against the Rangers. But it’s not like Gaborik is one of the best signings of summer.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSN is a Joke
I put them in the same group as “The Manic Ranger”…..the only thing going for this site is the Banner.
by InTheCorners on Aug 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see you took a legitimate discussion about something and turned it into some sort of childish slam fest.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, don’t bash Ryan and his blog. His blog is good, and he is a color analyst for the Banter. These are healthy conversations man.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its very easy to do what he’s doing. like for example i can go and say he’s a stupid bitch who doesn’t really have any opinion besides he’s a miserable little bastard who hasn’t had a good lay in a few months.. but that’s just not the point of the thread.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaborik
Gaborik is only the worse signing IF he is injured. Since he’s NOT injured yet, saying he’s a bad signing is utterly stupid because he’s certainly worth the money on the talent level.
And the other stuff he bull, about not being a team player. No one has EVER said that or claimed that about Gaborik. This is just a writer trying to make a point no matter how he has to do it.
by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 13, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But there is the problem, why invest over $35 million in an enormous IF?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else?
Who else in the league could we have gotten? Teams lock up their young stars in the salary cap era. The chance to get a talent like Gaborik doesnt come around very often, and when there are no other options to fill a desperate need, you HAVE to take the chance. This aint Nashville, this is New York. We NEED to win every year. Not making this move would signal to fans that that isnt going to happen.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So once again Rangers fans are content because management is spending big dollars? How about the Rangers actually sticking to their new credo of ‘youth’ and developing their own. Ilya Kovalchuk, he’s UFA next summer and he absolutely is not re-signing in Atlanta.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is either going to resign in Atlanta or go to the KHL
by b4mv01 on Aug 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt it, if he was he would have a new contract already. why is he going to the KHL again? last time i checked the guys a competitor and still doesnt have a cup ring.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with Ryan on this one
remember the article i did on Kovalchuk?
The guy from the Thrashers SBNation blog said that if he wasnt signed y the draft then he expects him to be out
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I don’t know about that… He will get a ton of interest around the league. He did say he would like to stay in Atlanta, but only if Waddell proves to him he wants to make Atlanta a winner, and they are going in that direction.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that argument
For all you know, Kovalchuk will be traded tomorrow and re-sign with his new team. For all you know, Kovalchuk could get a career ending injury this season. For all you know, Atlanta could suddenly become competitive and he’ll want to return. For all you know, Kovalchuk doesnt even want to play in NY.
You cant sit around waiting for a guy to become a free agent next year. That’s the kind of passive management that puts your ass in last place for a decade.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last time i checked thats exactly what the knicks and a ton of other nba teams are doing for lBJ? As opposed to the aggressive management that has turned this team into a mediocre 1st round knockout?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, the Knicks?
Yeah, look where the Knicks are, in the basement for the better part of the last decade! Thank you for proving my point.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
noo.. how exactly is that proving your point? them and a number of other nba teams have kept cap space open to go after him. its not just the knicks.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a risk! And what happens to the teams who have their hearts set on a player that they don’t get? All of a sudden the player they wanted is gone, and the other players in the league are taken too. The point is you can’t wait, because it can prove to be faulty in the end. Take whoever is the best player who fills your needs now. if you wait you miss out, then everyone shakes their heads at management. If the Knicks don’t sign anybody, look how foolish they look.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and some risks are bigger than others. why all of sudden is there such confidence in glen sathers decisions?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. If your in Sather’s position, knowing who has been signed already, knowing the contracts the remaining players have taken with the teams they are on now, who do you go after that fills the role Gaborik does? If you choose to wait and not sign anybody and try go after Kovy, that is a calculated risk that could very well fail. And Gaborik is an all-star player. We all know his talents. Skip him for who? It’s not that we all agree with Sather’s decisions, it’s just that striking a deal with this type of a caliber player at this moment in time is a good move.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evgeny Grachev. Teams need to develop their own superstars in the cap world.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers are. Grachev is just another risk. There is all this hype about him, but we all don’t know how he will perform- kind of like every prospect. So you skipped Gaborik for Grachev? You skipped a talented, 1st grade, pure sniper, one of the fastest skaters in the league, for a (unproven) prospect who is fantasized in the minds of fans as being a tremendous player in the future? Grachev could very well be a great player. He still needs to develop, and the Rangers are doing the right thing with him. But if you were GM, you would be fired my friend.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and glen sather would be hired? sometimes its good to be the devils and have a disinterested fan base b/c they’ve done the right thing and didnt do anything big this summer b/c there werent a lot of options. In rangers land its always now now now now.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different teams need different needs. The Devils have their scoring, and their “own developed superstars”. I’m sure the Devils would be glad to add Gaborik, like any team, but if they don’t need a player of his type, then don’t bother. Team first. And, you know what, sometimes its bad to be the team that does nothing. The Rangers would be scrutinized if they did nothing.
And what’s this “disinterested fan base” means the team “does the right thing”?
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, I forgot to add, the Rangers (You) now have both of them.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people wanted to save up for Rick Nash, too
And he’s already re-signed with Columbus. Ever heard the phrase “getting caught with your pants down”? That’s exactly what happens when you wait around for a player and then dont get him.
And the Lebron thing is irrelevant anyway. Kovalchuk is a great player, but you’re delusional if you think he’s the hockey equivalent of Lebron.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did i ever say he was? Of course he’s not the equivalent. Teams? Rick Nash was hoping for him. Here’s an analogy, would you rather bring home the first dirty lookin girl you meet at the bar and catch a disease, or wait until you find something better?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but Gaborik is not a dirty looking girl
Gaborik is an 8, and no, I’m not going to stick around waiting for a 10 after that.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha thats fair. but that 8 when your drunk is normally a dissapointment in the morning
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I'm only a 6
So if I can get what I think is an 8 at the time I’ll be happy with that, and I’m not going to waste my time fighting off better looking guys for a shot at a 10. Whether she ends up being a 9 or a 5 is a crap shoot.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha fair enough man. my normal routine is spittin game to whoever will listen to me. the more lines i throw out there the better chance i have.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt that Gretzky's theory on shots on net lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are a lot of big time free agents in the next offseason, not just lebron
by Conway on Aug 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every free agent signing has its risks
This one just has more. Like I said, it’s not that this doesn’t have the POTENTIAL to become a horrible signing. It’s just unfair to call it one when no injury has happened yet.
by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but at the same time its ok to defend gaborik by saying he won’t have injuries when he does nothing be injured?
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw not directed at you, just on the topic in general
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I don’t give a crap what the doctors say. Injury prone is injury prone. I HOPE he plays 70+ games a season during his contract. I don’t like the odds. But I do agree that the risk had to be taken.
by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone saying he wont have injuries?
My stance is that his production when healthy will outweigh the risk of serious injury, or the time he misses because of minor ones.
by Steeeve on Aug 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no of course not, but being complacent thinking its ok he might only play 65 or 70 games a season is ridiculous b/c at that point he’s not going to put up the numbers that will justify the cap space.
by Ryan McFadden on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan -
I understand you disagree with signing Gaborik, and I understand why you don’t like it.
While I may not agree with you today, I understand where you’re coming from.
My question to you is a simple one – but the answer may not be so simple. And perhaps this becomes another ‘article’.
If you’re the GM (let’s say you get the job right after the GOMEZ trade) – what do you do?
Do you go after any FAs? Trades? Nothing – just save the cap space?
by dbmaven on Aug 13, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
Where’s the positive vibe? This was a great signing, no doubt. Let’s get away from the negative for a second and look at the positives:
1. Yes, he had injuries last year, but he since has had surgery and recovery time to fix the problems. Sports medicine these days is better than ever.
2. Did we all forget he played in 77 games in 2007, putting up 83 pts. I think its safe to assume that any of his problems prior to ‘07 are no longer an issue.
3. Even if he only manages 60+ games, he’s better than a ppg player. Scotty Gomez would disappear for stretches last season. I’d still take 75% of the games w/Gabby over 100% of them w/Gomer. Gomez just isn’t worth 7.5 mil. Gaborik can be.
by MikeSmack on Aug 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at the Hossa signing, not only is he injured until at least December…the NHL is investiogating the signing and it may cost the team more money and draft picks. You can never say a signing is good or not until the season is actually being played. At this point I would like to see people arguing last years worst signings as we now know how they started that contract….a year from now I would like to be arguing about this season since we will have more to go on then simple “predictions or players history.”
by b4mv01 on Aug 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not quite injury prone...
Injury prone is when a guy suffers a series of unrelated injuries, to different parts of his body. In reality, Gaboriks injury issues have all stemmed from the SAME THING, which is just NOW being fixed.
All of his issues have been with both sides of his groin. For the first several years of his career he did not have proper surgeries to fix the actual issue, which was problems with his hip labrum. He got the right one fixed before last season – then? No more right groin problems! Then he got the left one fixed during last season. There is an excellent chance that all of his groin/hip problems are over. We’re talking about an injury whose symptoms have only been properly diagnosed in the past few years, and Gaborik had both hips fixed by the pioneers of the new surgery to correct the injury (which causes the nagging groin issues). We’re literally talking about the new ‘Tommy John’ surgery of sports.
On top of that, this dude is 27!! We’re talking about spending top dollar on a star who is only just entering the PRIME of his career, and is coming off the surgery that SHOULD save his career, and alleviate ALL PRIOR groin problems. When medical experts say things are 100%, then take the RISK on a guy like this. He hasn’t had his best years yet. So that means we could have a star in the prime of his career for once, rather than the twilight.
Is it a risk? Could he get injured again? YES.
But is that a risk we should take? Absolutely.
Is this a worst signing candidate? NO… why? because there’s no evidence yet. If he spends this whole year, or half the season, or even a large chunk of games out due to injury, THEN its a candidate for worst signing – but not until then.
Until then its just a risk… and one that could have incredible rewards.
by j-red on Aug 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure his problem was that he got his labrum fixed, but the doctos never addressed the soft tissue damage, which was inducing his groin pain. it has to be taken into mind that this isnt a knock on the doctors, gaborik, or his injury, because soft tissue damage was never a red flag for sports surgery up until very very recently and gaborik HAD this procedure done at the beginning of last season. This surgery was supposed to rectify his pain which will hopefully allow him to play even more without accident.
by KBrian on Aug 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m confident that a healthy Gaborik in the prime of his career can score over 100 points. I (along with hip surgery experts, sports injury experts, and team doctors) think he’s going to be healthy after these surgeries.
I’d like to see a healthy Gaborik, in the prime of his career, scoring over 100 points, in Rangers blue. I think its a good risk.
by j-red on Aug 13, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let the man play
This is a great signing on many different fronts. If the Rangers signed him currently injured then it’s bad. If the Rangers signed him without checking his condition out then its bad. He was checked out, and as j-red rightfully pointed out, the injuries have stemmed from the same thing and they have only been properly diagnosed and treated now. Let the man play. The Rangers filled a needed hole, with a dangerous threat to any team. The Rangers now have their version of an Ovechkin or a Malkin. He is a positive addition. He is only a negative in the minds of fans worried about his condition. Once he plays, I’m sure the worries will calm down.
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by rmc235 on Aug 13, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
give the man a chance
everyone knew when this free agency came that gabby was a high risk high reward type of guy…it just seems to me that most have been looking at this situation from the negative perspective because face it the rangers latest free agent signing have been busts….BUT this time i think they got it right…gabby is a top talent who when healthy deserves his salary…now regarding his injuries…last year i believe he took extra time off to get fully recuperated because he knew he was going into free agency…take that how you will but to me in totally benefits the rangers…plus this is a fresh start…let him play and see how he does…he is definitely not the worst signing as of now because of the whole hossa fiasco…maybe if gabby gets hurt again then maybe but its ridiculous to say he is a terrible signing now
by nutz_35 on Aug 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I’m all for good discussion, which most of this is, so have at it, but the personal attacks will not be tolerated, we are all friends here.
And In the Corners, Ryan McFadden-The Manic Ranger-Same Guy, same thoughts, same opinions. He is a writer on this site, has been since the day we hung out the “I assure you we’re open” bedsheet
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
representing your jersey heritage.. gotta love it
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Of course, never far from Jersey
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 13, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
Joe, this is the best article I have read on Gaborik all summer. Ranger team doctors are considered among the best in the sport; Sather wanted to be careful after Redden, Drury, etc.; this hip/groin surgery is less than 10 years old and has helped many other players.
Also, look beyond the numbers – the majority of Gabby’s lost games came in 2 years; he played 65 or more in 6 of the 8 seasons. No guarantees, but he will probably be solid; I am more worried about Pronger and his cheap stick from behind. Thanks, Joe
by scchask on Aug 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why thank you scchask
thats what i am here for
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great signing
Every player is one play away from injury!!!! I understand that there are risks involved due to a player’s specific history, but he is worth the gamble. The guy can flat out play. They needed a sniper and got him without giving up anything. Kovalchuk has questionable drive and desire. I have no interest in him at all. He would not be able to handle New York. Unloading Gomez was a great move.
by NYR35 on Aug 13, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If nothing was done.....
then everyone would have complained as well, so it is a lose – lose for Sather either way. You shouldn’t make moves for the sake of it, but I truly think signing Gaborik was a solid move. A few years ago I entertained the thought of bringing him here. There is no doubt that the Rangers organization checked out his health from top to bottom.
by NYR35 on Aug 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see....
Alternatives. If we didn’t pick up Gaborik, Higgins, Kotalik, etc. what should we have done? If Sather sucks so bad, what would “you” have done differently? Some deals have not worked out, others have been fantastic. I’ve said several times, “I don’t love the Gaborik signing”, but it’s too early to hate it.
Let’s not forget when Sather was hired, EVERYONE in Ranger land was excited.
by NYdemo on Aug 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Worst signing?
Injuries are simply bad luck and the guy seemed to get the groin fixed in the offseason.
When healthy, he’s one of the most dynamic players in the game.
The Rangers gamlbed on Jagr, who wasn’t always the picture of health with the Caps now was he?
Gaborik is much younger too and from what I hear from him he’s tired of the bad rep he gets.
The contract itself might seem high, but the man can live up to it. He’s shown what he can do (and its worth more than 2.5 per more than Brian Gionta.)
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers will have a great year
If Gaborik gets injured or plays lackadasically, we take his video games away.
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Aug 13, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Aug 13, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10
Okay lets see…
Gomez never gets hurt, Gaborik does. Gomez wins.
Gomez passer, Gaborik scorer. Gabby wins.
Gomez has a cup, Gabbz doesn’t. Gomez wins.
okay enough of that…But if healthy, Gaborik can score 100 points in 82 games and who knows about his playoff passion but i trust that Tortarella wont let anyone pull a zherdev.
1.Ovechkin
2.Crosby
3.Malkin
4.Datsyuk
5.Gaborik?…..
I believe thats the order guys, and watch him go crazy this year, especially with that type of system, and players that in my view are a much better supporting cast than that in Minnesota.
Lets let the puck drop and get behind this guy and support him, as well as Drury, Redden and Rozy, because their apart of this team for better or for worse.
by louielounz1 on Aug 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see you all enjoyed this
and sorry Ryan didnt mean to force you into a pissing match lol. My words are just that great haha.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the optimism, I believe Gabs is going to have a strong, healthy season, but is there any light to these damn Bouillon to Rangers rumors? I keep hearing them and it’s driving me crazy.
by John Mjr on Aug 13, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok I didnt read all of these posts but to all you doubters.....
what would you have liked Sather to do??? Keep Gomez?? trade Dubs for that ungrateful CANCER from Ottawa? Sign Kovalev again?? or go for a center and sign Cammilleri?? or just get rid of Gomez and add young guys that would make this team a slightly better version of the Islanders??
Well I will tell you that Marian Gaborik was by far the best signing of this off season. yea the guy has had his injuries in the past, but he is in the TOP 5 of all around goal scorers in this league. He automatically makes this team much better. Any time this guy is on the ice their is the oppertunity for him to put the puck in the net. and I cant remember the last time we had that. Gaborik will win us a numerous amount of games. And I can assure you he will stay healthy because if the end of last season wasnt a good omen his 40 plus goals this season will be.
by CrazyRangerFan on Aug 14, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaborik is just what the Rangers needed, a guy whos gonna put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. Great singing, if he stays healthy.
by TheKING 30 on Aug 14, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez. . . . .
Sather made a GREAT move. it’s so funny how most of the critics of the Gabby signing are no more than Sather bashers. If you look around the league, EVERY GM has had good moves and bad moves. For every Redden signing, there was a Jagr trade (at 1/2 salary. For every Gomez signing, there was a Gomez trade, for every Drury signing, there was an Avery trade (again at 1/2 the salary), there was a Henke drafted, there was a Gilroy signing, there was a free agent Girardi signing, yadda yadda yadda. . . . .
Not to mention Brashear who will get every Ranger fanny out of their seats this season with some scary beatdowns, and probably will score more goals than Betts, Shoe, and Orr COMBINED!!! Which isn’t saying much, but probably will happen.
So, go on ripping Slats for his moves. But look at the big picture and you will see that it certainly isn’t all bad.
by cwgatti on Aug 15, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey great article on bleacherreport.com on rangers articles
called for all you people who thought the gaborik signing was negative. Author breaks it down……………….you guys who dont like the signing might have a diff take on it after reading
by giantsNYrangers on Aug 16, 2009 5:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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