Where's the optimism?
Oh no, there's no more Zherdev! Lest we forget, Gaborik is Zherdev w/o having to live up to potential. He's reached it. He's a pt per game player who is among the best players in the league, who also happens to have PP talent, something Zherdev never showed. Rangers fans though have seen first hand what he can do. Ok, he has health issues. He's never played a full season. That's a concern. But he's a difference maker. And that's just for starters.
But what about Redden you say!. He's overpaid! But last year could certainly be considered the aberration. He's a career 10-30-40 per 82 games with OTT, 46% of which is PP points. With a year of Tortorella pushing him, he can get back to those numbers. Does it justify 6.5m? Of course not. But if he can play like a 4m D-man instead of a 1m one like last year, the PP and subsequently the team will be better for it.
Drury is overpaid! Sather likes to overpay for 2-way centers with 50pt potential, it's almost his trademark. But he's a winning player than can play the PP, SH, and 5 on 5, is versatile enough to play wing when needed, and you need a player like him to go anywhere.
And look at the rest of the roster:
We're replacing Mara and Morris (not exactly Coffey and Chelios) with some young kids with potential to be top flight d-men in the league. We're a year or three away from having 6 homegrown, talented D-men protecting the area in front of Lundqvist. (ok, McDonagh isn't homegrown....but close enough)
Naslund was replaced with a faster version who can kill penalties in Higgins.
Korpikoski was replaced with another Zherdev - a kid with all the skill in the world but hasn't put his game together.
Avery is here for a full year. And there's no debating the impact he has on the Rangers W-L.
We have a group of young kids - Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan, soon Grachev that are or can be impact players.
Oh, and we just happen to have a perennial Vezina nominee guarding it all.
This is a better team as constructed. They will score goals. They will prevent goals. And they'll be exciting to watch, much more so than last year's plodding, defensive first team. And the future is very bright.
For all the bitching about Sather, he's at least trying to correct his mistakes. If he unloaded Gomez for a quality wing AND a teams' best prospect, there's no telling who he can't fleece. Plus I hear good things about the kid Hanzal in Phoenix, so I'm sure he'll be here soon.
Summer heat makes people cranky. Let's all sit back, let the team break from camp, and wait til October 3rd to start bitching that the team stinks.
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I dont believe ANY of us really expected for Zherdev to be on the NY Rangers next season; however, we ALL expected something in return. THAT wouldve been the professional way to handle his departure. Every agent knows that, and nearly every player knows that.
When you are traded from team to team, its no bed of roses unless its what you requested. Zherdev was traded to NY where he could acclomate well with the large Russian populus in the Tri-state area. He would also be considered the number one scoring threat on the NYR’s.
SO, to lose him after giving up Fedor and the throw in Backman, is a bit disappointing.
Couple that emotion with the way he left the NYR’s….empty handed. If had been receptive and professional enough to realize that he wouldnt fit into the NYR plans any longer, he shouldve been happy to be awarded the sum he was awarded, but to know he was heading for greener pastures. That is not the way he and his agent decided to handle the situation. There is always retribution paid to players of this type. I only hope for his well being that he doesnt sign on with another NHL team.
Corners you have complained about this alot so i think its time i comment
The Rangers did try to move Zherdev but no other team wanted him. So if the Rangers signed him then what do they do if they cant move him? They would have been well over the cap and still without signing Dubinsky. They could waive Redden but they would then have to start the year with 3 rookies on D and that makes no sense.
Why dont we hop off the “i hate Sather” wagon and hop on the “lets be optimistic about the team we have” wagon. A team which looks MUCH better than last years, okay?
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he’s explaining himself. He’s not just saying “we suck.” He just said it was a “bit disappointing” and that Zherdev left us “empty handed,” with no compensation.
"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"
RangerSmurf, thank you
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 4, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
39 days to training camp boys and girls
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 4, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
By the way Smurf
way to get bumped to the main page buddy! Great great great work
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sure wasn't expecting it.
But I’ll take it. Thanks.
by George E. Ays on Aug 4, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Smurf, Im not any hate Sather wagon at all. I actually like the job his done with the exception of the prices paid, but we are in the NY Money Market….I especially like the depth we have added lately…but, thats not his doing exactly.
I may have misunderstood your blog, but I was retorting your blog in regards to Zherdev and Zherdevs moves alone…not Sathers. I am optimistic with the team as it stands. I would like them to add a D-man that adds a snarl and possibly a forward like Bertuzzi.
Sorry you may have mistaken my anger at Z for something other….Peace brother…..
PS…I KNOW Sather tried to trade, or at least I suspect it….I know for sure that the Gomez deal at the Draft ( aquiring McDonagh ) was not for the betterment of the NYR but it was a piece in the Heatley deal that never came to fruition. THAT I AM CERTAIN OF! Thats all I can say about that aquisition. But, to be stuck with McDonagh is a WONDERFUL Dilemma. He is a Blue Chip Prospect!!!!
actually Corners it was me who responded to you
And how can you say the Gomez deal wasnt for the betterment of the Rangers?? Gomez never fit, was never comfortable and handcuffed the team. They needed to get rid of him.
And peace thats cool were all friends here … by the way Welcome to the Banter!
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't me
But if you want me to argue with you, saying they should sign Bertuzzi is a good way to start. That’s a fugly idea.
by George E. Ays on Aug 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
and dont worry smurfy i already told him it was me
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh, and by trading Gomez.. we also landed Gaborik….Now lets Party…I cant wait for the season to start….if your at a game…come by Section 411, row F and G, Seats 1 + 2…you’ll see a guy in a wheel chair….Kick him in the nuts and tell him its from ME…..
what does this even mean
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not start putting bounties on the handicapped, shall we?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
agree to disagree
Summer heat makes people cranky. Let’s all sit back, let the team break from camp, and wait til October 3rd to start bitching that the team stinks.
this couldnt be more true. im king of the cranky pants.
to be optimistic, i cant wait to see the young talent we have unfold. Im just nervous that it might be a couple jamie lundmarks and pavel brendls we have been dealt. But my pants would get real tight if the rangers prospects came up and were actual studs.(this is coming off a little homoerotic… not that there’s anything wrong with that).
For years ive been crying to see some prospects grow and be AWESOME with the rangers, so i guess im starting to get what i asked for. This is just how the Rangers have to rebuild, they cant do what the islanders did, and just give up for a couple years. They actually want to TRY TO WIN, instead of rolling over and letting Jim, RangerSmurf, myself, and a couple other readers play for them like it seems the islanders did last year.
So moving on from seeing Zherev go, Bitching about Redden and his ridiculous salary, and sathers annoying tactics, we go towards resigning Duby, The prospect tourny, and training camp.
and in response to the wheelchair guy kicking… why not? its not like hes going to feel it.
I will agree with you, you are definitely king of the cranky pants, LOL
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew you would like that one.
I put that one in there epsecially for you jim.
ha ha nice
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have played in the Coliseum
Have a sub 2 GAA there too. Of course, that was a C-Level mens league, but still.
Incidentally, Lundmark had a nice little year in limited time last year. Brendl….well yeah. I purge names like that from my head.
by George E. Ays on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Moose
i wanna know why i was left out of this
“They actually want to TRY TO WIN, instead of rolling over and letting Jim, RangerSmurf, myself, and a couple other readers play for them like it seems the islanders did last year.”
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
i couldve kept the list going and going, but im trying to learn to shorten up my rants.
They actually want to TRY TO WIN, instead of rolling over and letting Jim, RangerSmurf, myself, joe fortunato and a couple other readers play for them like it seems the islanders did last year.
There you go.
Everyone else… too bad you didnt get asked and im not amending this line anymore
thanks moose
:-)
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you smurf
nice post and it is great to finally hear something in a happy tone from a ranger fan. everyone i talk to only wants to complain. It’s easier to complain but it’s more fun to be optimistic.
i think it was a joke
more than anything else
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather
I’m sure Glen Sather has something up his sleeve, in regards of a trade..Hope we pick up a 1st line center, or a hard hitting d-man
thats what was so nice about having mara
because he used to always get paired up with the youngins and it seemed to suit him just fine. only thing that sucks about breaking up pairs is that in my mind it would have to be R&R because i coudlnt bring myself to breaking up staal and girardi.
i hope sather has something stewing in terms of getting a center. if we could swindle a top 2 line C then we could have drury slide over to wing and still have anisimov center the 3rd line . we have been stockpiling prospects and u cant bring them all up so i suspect hes up to something
I've been optimistic this whole time
finally someone else is too, and makes a good post about it.
Cheers for optimism!
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by The American Mr.Hockey on Aug 4, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Betts/Sjostrom
Don’t understand Sather’s thinking on Betts and Sjostrom. Understand the need to shake things up but now we’ve lost our three leading scorers-gomez, naslund and zherdev. Where’s the second goal coming from next year?
Betts? I don't know
but Sjostrom while he may be a fan favorite, every part of his game is replaceable and the fact that he is not productive means an upgrade is needed.
Betts probably the same thing, but the guy was such a great face-off guy and PKer that I don’t know what they were thinking, unless Betts was asking for too much.
2nd goal?
They’ve upgraded the offense. They had 4 20 goal scorers last year, two of whom have remained (Drury, Callahan). Now, they have 2 others with 20 goal history (Higgins, Kotalik), one with 50 goal potential (Gaborik), two more that should project to 20 goals (Dubinsky, Lisin) and Anisimov, who is a promising rookie.
Betts and Sjostrom were fan favorites because they killed penalties, and killed them well. Please note that Betts has yet to even sign anywhere, it’s not like teams are lining up for his services, that should tell you something.
Reality is they were 4th line players with limited offensive upside and are replacable. Brian Boyle, who projects as Betts’ replacement is a monster (6’7") with a little bit of a scoring touch (8 goals in 36 career games). Dane Byers, who should be Sjostrom’s replacement as the 4th line RW, has shown some offensive potential with the Wolfpack with a bunch of grit. (151 games, 93 pts, 397PIM)
The PK duties will most likely be taken over by Higgins and Dubinsky, joining Callahan and Drury from last years team. There won’t be a significant drop off, especially since Lundqvist is their best PK man, and he isn’t going anywhere. Don’t expect another 88% season (the best PK since the Devs in 03), but remaining top 10 is certainly realistic. (83-84%)
This is a better team, at least on paper. But they don’t play games on paper, they play them inside TV sets. So relax and lets see what happens.
by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You really think no team has contacted Betts at all?
"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"
You really think he’s turned down offers? How much could he be asking for?
by George E. Ays on Aug 5, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
dont see why not betts
because honestly as good as the king is betts was the star of that PK. he blocked shots dove to get the puck out of the zone and intercepted non-telegraphed passes. penalty kill dynamo, and a great face-off guy. im sad to see him leave. and i believe he had nine goals one year. see how many goals anyone can score when they are out there between sjostrom and orr
Betts
Id luv to get betts back! He hustles his ass off every game…luv to see the relationship with him and brashear after the playoff cheap shot last year!
reply on betts/freddy
I know the tagline is optimism here but there does seem to be a bit of the “island of misfit toys” about this team. I’ll be curious to see the move they make with the Zherdev space. I like betts/freddy, they were fan favorites and really ignited the team with great kills. think of how many stupid penalties this team drew last year.
On your tagline, you need to keep the Avery to…. and change it to zubov or zedved. It’s too good to give up and the replacements are all lame.

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