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Rangers Recap: Rangers Shutout by Emery and the Flyers in a Wild Game in Philly

Philadelphia Flyers' Arron Asham, left, fights with New York Rangers' Aaron Voros in the third period of an NHL hockey game, Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010, in Philadelphia. Philadelphia won 2-0. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

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about 1 month ago: Philadelphia Flyers' Arron Asham, left, fights with New York Rangers' Aaron Voros in the third period of an NHL hockey game, Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010, in Philadelphia. Philadelphia won 2-0. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

Well you had to assume the scoring streak would end at some point, right? In a game that did not lack excitement by any means, the New York Rangers were defended extremely well by the Philadelphia Flyers and open lanes that were available in the previous two contests with the Canadiens and Lightning were not available to the Blueshirts on this night. In the second period, emotions were running high after a chain of fights, but other than that, the entire game saw New York attempt the same approach to generate offense, and they were denied each and every time.

Both clubs started strong in the first period with constant non-stop action up and down the ice. No, that style of play is not a coach's favorite, but it sure is entertaining for the fans. Anyway, James van Riemsdyk broke the scoreless tie at 15:10 of the first, when he was originally stoned on the breakaway by goaltender Henrik Lundqvist, but his follow-up rebound found the back of the net and the Rangers found themselves trailing heading into the intermission. On this specific play, the Blueshirts were caught in a change leaving Marc Staal as the lone defensemen in his own zone, and he failed to knock the red hot rookie of the puck, leading to a goal.

About six minutes into the second stanza was when things began to get out of control. A minor scrum in front of Emery led to Daniel Carcillo dropping the gloves and leaving star Marian Gaborik with no choice but to defend himself. Obviously Gaborik went down after a few punches, but there are lines in this sport that you do not cross, and Carcillo crossed one of those lines by brainlessly attacking Gaborik as he did. You simply do not go after the star on the other team when the guy only has one previous fight in his career. This was nothing short of a cowardly move by Carcillo, but it doesn't surprise me looking at his track record and the reputation of the team he plays on.

From that point on, it was all about drawing blood as there were a total of 44 penalty minutes in the second. Sean Avery was the hero by engaging in two fights in the period, one against Scott Hartnell and the other taking care of business with Carcillo. Avery was one of the few who actually seemed to be disturbed by the fact that their star was just pounded in the face (actually, Carcillo mostly caught the shield with his fist) and he stood up for his teammate. Avery must be applauded for what he did, but there is no doubt Carcillo deserved a taste of his own medicine after what he pulled.  And Mike Richards managed to gain his team a 2-0 lead at the conclusion of the second when his slapper went off Marc Staal's skate and past Henrik Lundqvist for a goal.

The third period began with Aaron Voros and Aaron Asham dropping the gloves right off the opening faceoff. Again, this was a case of the rangers trying to send a message, and may have even been instructions from Head Coach John Tortorella, who completely exploded on the refs and Flyers coach Peter Laviolette after the Gaborik incident. The remainder of the period was like watching the same thing over and over again with the Rangers getting shutdown on the rush. Avery again mixed it up with Flyers captain Mike Richards at the very end of the game, and rightly so.

 

Star-divide

The tenacious forecheck and pursuit of the puck we saw in the previous two games at home was not present tonight at the Wachovia Center. They did not have any sustained pressure, the zone was cleared after only one shot on goal, and to boot, there were very few quality chances for the Blueshirts. When there were, we missed the net more often than not. New York certainly did not look like the offensive dominators they were earlier this week that is for sure.

You do have to give credit to Philadelphia, though. They did a tremendous job of clogging the slot and blocking shots. They also had active sticks in the neutral zone where the Rangers were repeatedly stopped. The Flyers played a solid defensive game all around, and got the Rangers off theirs with the garbage they pulled on Gaborik and others.

Among players that I thought made a difference for the Rangers were Sean Avery, Enver Lisin, Vinny Prospal, and Dan Girardi on defense. Avery was all over the place, running his mouth and sticking up for his mates. Enver Lisin was skating very well and had two shots on goal in 11:33 of icetime. Prospal had five shots on goal in the game and was really the only player hitting the net. Girardi was solid in front of Lundqvist, who also made some outstanding robbery stops tonight.

Ranger fans got to experience goal scoring for two nights, but just like that the rapid production is gone. The team was brought back to Earth with their lack luster effort on this night. The Blueshirts will now head out to Montreal where they will take on the Canadiens for the second weekend in a row on Saturday night. Also, I will be sure to see to it that Jim adds the postgame quotes to this because Tortorella let out a few comments that are worth reading.

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stink, stank, stunk

Jeckyll and Hyde rides again

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jeckyll and Hyde?

Or lack of toughness?

Look at the teams we’ve had outbursts against: Columbus, Montreal, TB, Toronto. Not exactly a murderers row of toughness in the league. Those teams let us drive to the net, get the “dirty” goals by rebound, deflection, etc…..

Look at who we’ve struggled against: Isles, Philly, Pittsburgh (hey look at that, our division!). They don’t let us have the middle of the ice without a fight, and this team lacks the toughness to fight, preferring to try to finesse their way around and hope they beat a goalie clean. That doesn’t work.

Last night was just a microcosm…Philly imposed their will early and the Rangers were firing from 35 feet with nobody crashing.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who was the reporter that Torts almost fought after the game?

by nyrangerfan521 on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah i saw trotorealla was going at it with one of the reporters

the fat fuck right next to him and he said that carcillo said he was hunting for gaborik which just makes him look like more of a pussy

LETS GO RANGERS!!!! SECTION 405!!!!!

by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wait i don’t have TV, what happened?

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Larry Brooks, who asked him if the Rangers should have taken a third-man-in penalty after Carcillo went after Gaborik. Brooks apparently wrote something sarcastic about Redden fighting the other day and Torts didn’t like it. I thought the Flyers were ugly, man Brooks is a fat toad.
This was one of the most frustrating games of the year. Getting shut out by these bastards 6 straight periods – very tough to take. Infuriating.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brooks is the same guy who Torts told to ‘get the fuck out of here’ a couple of years ago after another loss. It’s on youtube.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

than god for you tube ..

that video is priceless torts is the best he cracks me up lol lol ..

by lohaus#54 on Jan 22, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

need to protect gabby ?

after what happend to gaborik tonight we need to bring in george laraque montreal just out right cut him today brashear and kotalick are on there way out cause torts hates them all i know is this shit that happend tonight with that toothless ass wipe carcillo would not be tolerated if we still had a player like fotiu or kocur enough is enough..

by lohaus#54 on Jan 21, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

brashear should have played

and pulled a wait betts isnt looking cheap shot at center ice again to send a message

LETS GO RANGERS!!!! SECTION 405!!!!!

by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Graves

Forget Graves, How many times did we see Graves protect the Messiah and Leetch. It is disgusting to watch, Why the hell was Giradi just standing there like a pussy. these team does not stand up well to the physical team and the Rangers cannot make a big splash by means of a trade because of some of the big contracts. However, something must be done to bring in one tough guy in for the next time we play these bastards. Last night, i was cursing out Sather for letting Orr go as well. He would killed Carcillo.

by gene4240 on Jan 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man I I wish Orr was still here. He was a true ranger at heart.

He would have taken it personally. Maybe we can trade koti or brash or both for him!

by Toad McGee on Jan 22, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gabby?

I have no idea how old you are but do you realize that every time someone refer’s to " Gabby " they mean a girl. By the way he fought last night , he is well deserving of that name ….. how cute.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Chris short for Christine?

by jigblahdah on Jan 22, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good one

Ah you got me. But you do know that Christine would have gotten at least one good punch in. Gabby, well you know how he punches

by Chris10 on Jan 24, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how old are you?

flyer fans can’t figure out how to run their own blog? so they have to come to other teams and make fools of themselves.
Calling someones nickname a girl!!…my children make more mature digs than this,idiot.

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by JM82 on Jan 23, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Night like this i miss Langdon

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 21, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it sounded like torts

was going to fight him lol and then said something like “you were the kid whogot beat up at the bus stop right” and the other reporters started laughing at him

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yup that’s exactly what he said. Brooks is an arrogant asshole.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they’re terrified of a little profanity, which is where that was headed. or maybe they didn’t want to film Torts kicking the creep’s ass so he could use it in a lawsuit, the slimeball.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah and then....

he asked are you challenging me?? but not in the lets fight way but like im gonna get you in trouble or file a lawsuit for threatining me and not imma fight you way

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This team is really missing another Gravesesque player

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 21, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1 agreed

cally is slowly turning into 1 though

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

slowly, you know graves would have taken the suspension if someone was pounding Leech like that

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

even leetch in the intermission said they should run Carter or Richards, and he’s in a studio and was not a tough guy.

by mleetch352 on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

score 14 goals at 2 games im at and

im not there even though it was on the road and they get shutout again

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes u caused them to score 14 and without u they got none, so what were u doing so badly when they were stinking it up at home and winning on the road?

by mleetch352 on Jan 21, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well....

i have season tickets and go to most games but i was REALLY sick so i couldnt go to gaes for awhile and the first game i started going back to was the 6-2 but my logic is flawed towards when they were winning on the road lol

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, you can have 1/2 credit then. maybe they got so excited u were back they just blew their load in the two games.

by mleetch352 on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

carcillo will get his – but no punishment could ever be worse than having to wake up and look at that face in the mirror every morning.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

protect and serve

dale rolfe and dave the hammer all over again hope dan gilardi had a good seat for his team mate getting his but whip come on boys a little late on the payback some guts and then the glory orland k

by orlanderkurt on Jan 21, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dude can’t even skate.

by goodieNY on Jan 22, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

neither could Orr

hes still the best fighter in the league.

by Personman on Jan 22, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what are you insane?

And Orr could stake, getting rid of him was a mistake.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am thinking the same thing

by earthworm on Jan 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

honestly… i have no problem keeping Voros. He’s willing to throw down and even though he’s a terrible fighter, at least he cares for his teammates

by jigblahdah on Jan 22, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so essentially, Gaborik needs to keep his gloves on and take a beating to justify Carcillo being a goon.

truly classic logic

by Personman on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Gabby had kept his gloves on there wouldn’t have been any beating, just pushing and shoving behind the net. There are facewashings and quasi-dirty plays like that after half the whistles in a game, and plenty of players manage not to drop their gloves.

Gabby brought on the fight, took it like a man, and Avery came to his defense later in the period. That would be the end of it, except Avery only landed one punch in that fight, and that was when he threw Carcillo to the ice and came in with a shot to the head. You wanna talk about no honor, that was it right there. He knew what he was doing and executed it to perfection. But since Avery couldn’t win the fight, I assume next time we face you guys, Brashear will be in the lineup, runs will be taken, it will be ugly- in other words it’ll be classic Flyers/Rangers.

by eeeeee on Jan 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha Brashear lmao, he wont do anything.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if we “counter” with Cote, he will at least have a punching bag to beat on.

by eeeeee on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

comparing Carcillo to Dave Schultz – are you kidding? At least Schultz fought guys who could take care of themselves, not elite star players who have fought like once in their career. get real.

by Joe1969 on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carcillo/Schultz

The comparison is that the Hammer attacked Dale Rolf, even less of a fighter than Leetch was, and beat him severely. It’s not to say that Carcillo is half the fighter that Shultz was — he’s just a gutless punk.

BTW, better have the trainer check Girardi for a torn hymen — it was painful to watch him stand there while Gaborik scrapped with the goon — if he’s not gonna help out Gabby, at least go cold-cock another flyer in the face — have some self-respect man!

by PotvinSucks on Jan 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

considering Carcillo dropped his gloves first, maybe yours are Stevie and Ray.

by Personman on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carcillo did not drop them first...

Gabby did and I’m not one of these D-bag Flyer fans…

by NYdemo on Jan 22, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who threw the first punch?

by Personman on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how about if the flyers can actually make it into the playoffs this year...

they might be able to get past crosby for once and he will continue to wash your shitty team for the next 20 years so you can keep whining

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by kiop900 on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Just Tweeted

At Brooks suggesting that he bring “Golden Gloves” Redden with him next he goes to the bus stop. Hahahaha

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by NYRBlogger on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

now thats funny…

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

why didn’t we do something after Hank got knock down? Based on our history I knew we would let it go. What are we afraid of? Why no penalty?? Funny how the first scoring chance after Hank got ran he gives up a soft goal. I guess we’ll never learn.

by BLS on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well voros did fight asham who is the one who ran him, granted it wasnt til the 3rd.

by mleetch352 on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel we started the game right where we left off the previous two games, but then hit a brick wall that was the Flyers defense. and as we couldnt get any chances the team just got discouraged more and more. then with the Gabby incident it definately got them off there game and it went downhill from there. I know all I thought about after that was hoping Avery would give Richards a shot to the head, much like he did to Booth early in the season but obviously that did not happen. The Flyers are a very dirty team that starts right from their leader. and I feel Carcillo should be kicked out of the league for the BS he pulls. either a ban or he gets wrecked by a stick to the head and its a career ending injury because right now he is the most ive ever hated a single player.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

he’s disgusting, a mutant rat with a hitler mustache.

by Joe1969 on Jan 22, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont Flyer fans have anything better to do

than come here and post? What a bunch of lame ass losers you are.

Typical Philadelphia sports fans. Dont even care that they just won, all they care about is New York losing. This coming from the kind of fans who win the World Series and then immediately talk about how much the Mets suck. Get over yourselves, you’re not even the top rival of any New York team.

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by Steeeve on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I tried to see what the non-NY and non-Philly outlets were reporting, to see what the people removed from the passionate fanbases had to say.

The NHL.com article took sides:

Replays showed Gaborik to be the aggressor in the scuffle, but Carcillo had no problem engaging.

The rest of the major sites are passing around the same exact AP article:

Carcillo floored Gaborik with a hard uppercut early in the second period after the two-time all-star surprisingly dropped his gloves first.

The rest, like SBNation’s main site, are passing around a Sports Network article that manages to recap the game without mentioning any of the fights, so it doesn’t take a side because it acts like they didn’t happen.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 22, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the only reason Gabby appears to be the aggressor on the fight was because Danny “I going to die at the hands of Avery one day” Carcillo bascially jumped him during the rough stuff in the crease.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see Flyer fans are just as classless as their new hero Carcillo. They deserve him. Talking smack on a Ranger blog because their team got the benefit of several non-calls in the first period and then gloating about beating up Gaborik? Outstanding. He was an immature punk with Phoenix, and apparently he’s picked up right where he left off, now gooning it up in Philly and continuing to embarrass himself on a regular basis. Pretty pathetic, because the kid actually has some skills, that is when he’s not running around acting like a complete lunatic. What comes around goes around, and someday Carcillo’s going to learn the hard way.

by AZRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the Gaborik dropping the gloves first

He gets punched in the face FIRST by Carcillo, and Gaborik throws his right glove off, not even a half a second later, Carcillo does.

Theres virtually .5 seconds in between them both taking their gloves off.

by Personman on Jan 22, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brashear better take care of business next time we play them, clean, dirty, however he wants to do it, just get it done. And Avery tried to get Richards to fight at the end of the game, but RIchards punked out. Next time, don’t give him the option. This is NYC, Ranger fans are not gonna stand for this weak-ass, soft bullshit. I hope Girardi gets booed on Monday.

by Joe1969 on Jan 22, 2010 2:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Refs just didn't want to control the game.

Before the whole Carcillo goes apes*** on Gaborik, how about what Arron Asham did to Lundqvist. He intentionally ran him down. He wasn’t pushed into Henrik accidentally, he wasn’t bumped, Asham intentionally ran into Lundqvist. Did the refs want to give him a penalty for it? No. That told the Flyers to do anything and everything they wanted to do with cheap shot antics.

While I understand no one wanted a third man in with the Gaborik situation, someone should’ve gone in there and be the third man in. How do you allow Carcillo to man handle Gaborik like that. This isn’t about who dropped the gloves first or both dropped the gloves. Gaborik is not a fighter and the refs have to understand that. Carcillo baited him into that and Gaborik gets a penalty for getting sucker punched.

This was a good hockey game till those two incidents broke out and the Flyers basically got away with murder. I will say that they did deserve the two points. But once again their goon mentality has gone over the line and the NHL as well as the on-ice Officials just won’t do their jobs. Two fighters going after each other is not an instigator. What Carcillo did to Gaborik the instigator rule is when it should be enforced.

This is the second game where the Rangers never truely challenged the Flyers goaltender. Both Leighton & Emery had it easy the last two games against the Rangers and this crap has to stop.

The refs have to go to Philly and do their damn jobs. They can’t officiate scared and worried that a Flyers fan is going to jump over the glass & boards and take them out. I’m all for letting them play, but when do these four blind mice with striped shirts call a penalty properly. Oh that’s right, with 7.1 left in the 3rd period when the game is already over. Nice job shmucks.

by NYR #35 Richter on Jan 22, 2010 2:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow…i can’t believe the things i just read.

i wouldn’t know where to begin, so, i’m not even gonna.

you callin me a know-nothin? sir, i'll have you know i happen to know very little.

by hockey punk on Jan 22, 2010 5:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I for one appreciate that

It’s bad enough that the fights from the game spilled over to the postgame thread.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could care less if Han shot first.

The best way to silence an opponent is to score on them.

Yes, Avery did the right thing for standing up for Gaborik, level the playing field.

Still, there’s no excuse for our inability to get inspired enough to generate offense in front of Emery. Instead of charging Asham and Co., we should have been sending guys to the net. We’re yet to score on this Flyers team who have now outscored us 8-0 in two games.

That’s the REAL story/need for concern here.

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by pslieber on Jan 22, 2010 7:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know we're in a "what have you done for me lately?" kind of world

But we beat Philly 2-1 the first time we played them.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brooks looks like a fish. Classic Torts, pumping up the awkward confrontation.

Carcillo broke the Code, or at least whatever’s left of it. Which is okay, it just places him firmly in Lapierre territory.

If there’s anything positive to get out of this, it’s letting the Phlyers believe that Emery is a legitimate goalie going forward. It’ll all come crashing down if they make the playoffs, or sooner.

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jan 22, 2010 8:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rangers need to take care of their own

I have seen this all year and the Rangers do not stand up for their teammates. Lundqvist has been runover all year long because the entire league knows the Rangers sit back and watch it happen. And that results in teams taking further advantage of the crease.

Expecting the officials to police the game is not realistic. Hockey has always been “officiated” by the players. If you break a code then it is expected that you will pay for it later. that’s how hockey works.

Girardi should have at the very least held or pinned Carcillo down. Taken the 3rd-man-in penalty to save your star.

and do the same for your goalie. one of these days, Lundqvist is going to get hurt and it will be too late.

Even Barnaby agreed. this was a penalty Girardi should have taken.

I really wish somebody besides Avery (and Redden !?!?!?) understood this.

Maybe the Rangers need one of those “team-building” exercises.

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think it was the right thing to go after carcillo and asham, rather than carter or richards. our guys were outplayed tonight, but i thought they stuck up for eachother on and off the ice. just seeing the response from avery (2 fights), torts (cursing the shit out of carcillo sans vocals on MSG), voros (got even with asham), dubi (got carcillo to take an extra penalty while in the box) made me feel proud to be a ranger fan. in fact, i’m very happy that i wasn’t born a flyer fan, because that’s not a team i would like my future kids to root for.

“you see son, when you play hockey just look for the top skilled guy and beat the crap out of him with your tough guy. that’s how you play this game.”

how about gabby and carcillo 1 on 1 in a skills contest?

by #17ToTheRafters on Jan 22, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow…

I need to throw my 2 cents in.

Gabby didn’t start that fight. It looked like his glove got pulled off so he threw the a punch. Good for him. Carcillio drew him in and that is where you need to make sure some gets him back.

You could say it should be Brashier but he’s a waste. Voros and Avery are now our enforcers (thanks glen sather).

No doupt that Philly out played us and we couldn’t get to the net. Still it looked like we left it on the ice and I can handle that. The best way to get even was to win and we didn’t. The players all looked like they played hard. I do think Girardi needed to jump in and get physical, he did play a hell of a hockey game.

I’m not sure about the 3rd man in. Gaby wasn’t get his a$$ kicked. Carcillio needs to get leveld the next time he’s on the ice. I also wish we stood up for Lunquist when he got ran.

I’m puzzeld at the officiating. With all the recent contraversy you would think the on ice officials would be doing a better job at trying to get things right. It’s a black eye for hockey.

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is hilarious. The rangers fans call the Flyers fans classless but say they have downs syndrome (yea because thats classy). They say Carcillo started the fight but its the Flyers fans citing picture and video to make their case. Its hilarious to sit back and read all these Rangers fans implode like their players did last night. Go FLYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (add your replys below so I can laugh some more…)

by ScoresforaCaseofTastykake on Jan 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Classy

Like ScoresforaCaseofTastykake pointed out, we have cited pictures and video in our case for the fight, where as Ranger fans have retorted by insulting us. If you want to debate the fight, I have no problem debating the fight, but retorting by saying (and I am including other people on this board as well when I say this) that Flyers fans have “Downs Syndrome” and the one commenter had a “tiny dick” (Gameday thread) because he dared to interject the facts in a discussion of delusions, and flaunting around past successes in an effort to combat a point about a game yesterday, is certainly not a legit discussion on the matter at hand.

If you want to discuss the fight, then let’s have a legit conversation about the fight. But flaunting around about whose team is relevant now is simply BS that makes yourself look bad in the process, and contributes nothing to the discussion other than to further enforce the Flyers fans point that you have no evidence to back up the crazy assertions of your team, your fans, and your coach.

Fire Andy Reid - From horrible clock management to wasted timeouts to using the pass to set up the pass, he is one of the worst gameday coaches in the league.

by JFein on Jan 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More Proof Gaborik was the initial aggressor

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bKLUFhP5uLA/S1kl5th6GdI/AAAAAAAAAaw/mcFr2-9dIVs/s1600-h/carbomb2.png
There is only one glove on the ice, and you can see Gaborik’s fist right in Carcillo’s grill.

Also not mentioned here yet is how during the initial scrum between the two, Carcillo had calmed it down once they got to the boards but then Gaborik started pushing back. Carcillo never intended on fighting Gaborik until Gaborik pushed him back and then dropped the gloves. And the entire Carcillo quote after the game read like this (because, you know, having the full context of a quote actually aides you in understanding what is said): “I wasn’t expecting him to drop his gloves and when he did, I was pretty licking my chops”

And why wouldn’t he be? Gaborik is one of the Rangers top players and by dropping the gloves, he was taking himself out of the game for

And instead of whining and blaming Carcillo for the beatdown of Gaborik, a smarter thing to do would be to blame your own team for a). not playing Brashear, and b). not having anyone come to Gaborik’s aid as one might expect a teammate would do when the star player is locked up with a fighter on the Flyers, which essentially is what Bradley did when Ovechkin found himself dropping the gloves.

Fire Andy Reid - From horrible clock management to wasted timeouts to using the pass to set up the pass, he is one of the worst gameday coaches in the league.

by JFein on Jan 22, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd just like to know

Who that is standing at the face off circle when everyone else is tied up in front of the net. PIcture is too blurry to make out the number.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Well done. good job , well written.

by Chris10 on Jan 24, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on dude, there is no need to instigate with Rangers fans on THEIR site. Bring any and all taunting you want over to Broad Street Hockey. The game is over and it is easy to rub it in now but I am sure you wouldn’t be too happy if the Rangers had of won 2-0 and Rangers’ fan started to trash talk over at BSH.
Keep it civil and respectful. No need for name calling or personal attacks. Neither fan bases like the other but we can be graceful in winning.
With that said, there is no reason why both sides can’t engage in intelligent discussion about the game last night here at Blueshirt Banter or over at Broad Steet Hockey, right? I stress the intelligent part so that we can leave out all the insulting.

Thank to all the admins here at Blueshirt Banter for allowing Flyers’ to come and talk hockey. Obviously, you all are more then welcome over at BSH as well.

by flyrsfrk05 on Jan 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would this have happened....

if Colton Orr was still on our team? Don’t think so, he would have passed judgement on the ice in swift fashion. Instead we have the waste called Brashear who probably wouldn’t have done anything if he were at the game. I applaud Avery and Voros for stepping up but until we get an Orr like player to command respect and protect Hank, we will continue to get manhandled

by Lone Ranger in Florida on Jan 22, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ranger Fans.

Let’s stop worrying about who instigated the fight between Gaborik and Carcillo and worry more about why the Rangers didn’t respond or whhy they can’t seem to stand up for themselvs. As for who started the fight it doesn’t matter, nothing came from it anyway. Gabby isn’t injured.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No disresepect Joe, but I come here as a Ranger fan to talk about the team. I have made coments good and bad about the team. Some controversial… however…

Any Ranger fan, and any true hockey fan that is activly following the sport as a whole, knows that Gaborik is not a fighter or instegator. He has been in one fight in his carreer. He had no intention on starting a fight, to say otherwise is either ignorant or instegating (just as Carcillo did)

This is a Ranger fan site,Flyer Fans have thier own site. If they want to come around here and have a classless meaningless fight, it is not the rangers fans fault for saying anything. With respect to people with disabilites, those comment were wrong, but not meant in any hatefull way to the said people with disabilities. The contributor who made the comment apologized. All of this however is just Flyers fans draging it into the mud.

Don’t insult the Ranger fans that contributed to make this the best Rangers fan site on the net. Rangers fans are frustrated and this is thier place to vent.

Please don’t take this personal as I truely appreciate all you have done with this board. And while your correct that the best thing to do with the Flyers fans here is to ignore them. I can’t howeve blame anyone for speaking thier mind.

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

worst part about this is I work with a bunch of guys from philly and lunch today is philly cheese steaks and they have all brought up the carcillo / gaborik show down. so… yeah… i’ll suffer in silence as I gorge myself on a damn sammich… bastards.

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I swearing off Philly chesse steaks for at least a week!

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I’ll have to comb through it more…but all I see is Flyers fans trying to inject their logic in the discussions and certain poster(s) throwing insults and profanity back for no real reason whatever. Yes it’s a Rangers site, and I’m free to go elsewhere since I have no stake in it, but I personally don’t want to see this site become like a lot of other [unnamed] SBN blogs that are a bunch of foul-mouthed homers who ban anyone who roots for the other team.

If you want to get on Carcillo, get on him for jumping Gabby in the first place and nobody going over to protect #10. At best it’s unclear who dropped the gloves first anyway, but it certainly looked to me like it was Gabby when I slowed the ol’ TiVo down. But as Joe said, it’s a moot point. There was a good 35 minutes of hockey after that where the Rangers did squat offensively.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

discourse is good. no need for personal attacks however.

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Non-offensive Smack talking is part of the fun

I respectfully disagree.

Of course there is no need to personal insults or insensitive references (ie, any ref to Down’s Syndrome, sexual orientation, religion, etc) but talking smack is part of the fun of any sport.

I have good friends who love the Devils, Isles and Flyers. And they chanted “1940” for years and some still do. And I retorted in kind. It makes for a good rivalry and shows our love of our team.

No need to by vulgar or curse, but I say let the ribbing continue b/c I will have to buried in the cold earth before I ever stop chanting “Potvin sucks!”.

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh...you basically agree with me

No to insults and ins. references.

Like you, I have plenty of fans of other teams, and yes, talking smack is part of the fun of being a fan, I understand that, and I certainly wasn’t saying we should sit back and let other teams infest this board with whatever they want with no arguments.

Picking up the ol’ Banter this morning and reading through some of the comments just left me a tad disgusted.

Oh, and Potvin Sucks is as dated as the 1940 crap. Sorry dude. Can we get a “Fatso sucks!” thing going instead?

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with the “Fatso Sucks!” seeing as how I wasn’t even old enough to get the Potvin Sucks thing….lets move on from that

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer "Marty"

The guy is the best modern era goaltender.

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arguably

I’ve always preferred Hasek.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup we agree

I agree the “Potvin Sucks” is dated and many attendees don’t even know the incident from which they chant (and I was about 3 when it happened), but its still fun.

Incidentally, I sat next to Ulf Nilsson one game with my dad, who remember s the incident clearly, and my dad was too shy to ask him for an autograph.

I went up to him and asked on my dad’s behalf and basically said in a respectful manner that I know what place he fits into Rangers’ lore and how he will always be remembered. He was very polite and genial.

Long story short, this is why I am reluctant to end the chant. Its part of the lore of the Garden. That and horrible sight lines. I haven’t seen what is happening in the 32nd Ave corner in 30 years.

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by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garden lore is fine…so chant it against the Drylanders, but do i really need to hear it vs the Montreal Muppets?

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well to that extent

My brother told me there were “Yankees Suck” chants at the BU-BC hockey game at Fenway. Not exactly a surprise of course, but fans will chant things anywhere if they can.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well…that’s because boston folks are “wicked retaaaded”

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

remember we agreed no disrespectful comments

the term “retarded” is very insulting so let’s agree to not use it here. Apologies to schwartzy again.

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry…i was trying to fake a boston accent…no offense intended

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we all know its not intended to be offensive, but its just easier to not use the term at all.

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed…won’t happen again

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

btw given the cost of most games, the only sightlines I get are the ones the TV likes to give…i’ve been a ranger fan for all of my 28 yrs here and i’ve made it to all of 2 games…i’d love to have the crappy MSG sightlines

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry to hear man

Tickets are expensive and its only a matter of time before my wife feels its an unnecessary expenditure :(

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s not a huge deal, but i’d love to get my lady to a game…i spend so much time watching them, it would be great for her to experience it for real. I’d be sitting in the blues though

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you – I’m totally sick of Potvin Sucks too. It just seems pathetic at this point, and he had the last laugh with 4 rings, the bastard. Come up with something new, it’s just a meaningless reflex at this point.

by Joe1969 on Jan 22, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe your right… to me it seemed like they came over here looking for a fight.

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey CT

No need for the no disrespect" part buddy. It’s okay to disagree with me.

And I hear you but I am not telling you to ignore the Flyers fans, that’s not what I am saying. Please by all means go at it with them, they are obviously asking for it.

What I am saying is that we have bigger problems. Like why can’t this team wake up for divisional games. Why cant this team wake up when Gaborik fights. Why are we so up one day and so down the next. Where is Donald Brashear. Etc.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of true leadership…forget about the old days with mess and the like…would Jagr even stand for this?

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

probably not

but the fact that no one took a penalty to kill Carcillo after he fought Gaborik (I don’t care who instigated the fight) is a joke

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They do have problems but they have come a long way in the last few weeks… and at least the game was exciting to watch!

Carcillo should have been leveled his next shift on the ice! At least we have a little more fire though.

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Donald Brashear??

Hopefully on the same trip as Laroque..

by NYdemo on Jan 23, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His totally sweet tinted visor got the brunt of it anyway. Whats with the eastern european/russian players and the tinted visors anyway?

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is mad sweet!!

by CTrangerfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you think it simulates poor air quality in the former eastern block countries?

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no but it is the coolest visor

out there

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a yellow one would be awesome… like a sharp shooter…

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re-match in March

I have to say, all this bickering and fight analysis is getting me excited for the March 14th re-match.

I have tics and ironically I am taking my good friend who is a rabid Flyers fan as a reciprocation for helping me out on my house.

How won’t be able to complain that I don’t take him to good games!

by truebluesince75 on Jan 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

torts should’ve known better and dressed Brash. end of story/

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Was that after the 6-0 pasting Philly put on you guys. Must of been a frustrated guy, I didn’t see the clip.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, this is not like the Mick Vukota/Jeff Bloomberg incident years ago. Guys Gabbs had no business dropping his gloves…..he chose to do it and unfortunately nobody did what they should have….be more concerned that Gabby doesn’t lose confidence in his team than the fact he took a few shots.

Carcillo is far from a classy player but he did what any of us would have done in this senario. Kinda like Pedro clubbing Don Zimmer.

I say 1- make Avery the damn capt or give him an A already and
2-sign Laraque, waive Brashear
3- the next meeting at the garden will be a must watch…….run Emory and Briere from the opening faceoff and send a message…..Broadway Bullies…for once.

by earthworm on Jan 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

2-sign Laraque

NO FREAKING THANKS!!!! The rest I agree with… If Gabby had kept his gloves on there would have been an extra PP for us.

by NYdemo on Jan 23, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's go Flyers

I don’t represent all Flyers fans, but Carcillo is not my hero. Thankfully in the last few months he has realized or remembered how to play actual hockey.

I’m just amazed the level of denial or stereotyping the NYR fans/media are doing right now. It was clear that Carcillo pulled Gaborik off the pile, but gaborik drops his gloves first. There’s no real debate. National media is saying Gabby dropped them first. (and on a side note, how did no Ranger grab carcillo and fight him, a la Ovechkin vs Downie).

Carcillo’s comments were after the game and he said that when he saw Gaborik drop his gloves, he was licking his chops. not that he was licking his chops looking for a fight with a star.

Bottom line, don’t just listen to the slop fed to you by the NY rags, watch the replays in real time or even slow motion and you’ll see who the aggressor really was.

The next game in March is going to be a fun one!

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by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes coming in from behind someone and facewashing them isn’t starting anything……Gabby dropped them in defense. We all agree that someone should have stood up for gabby, but to say that he started this? Get real.

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by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but if he’s not a fighter, he didn’t have to fight and carcillo would’ve gotten the penalty for instigating, and probably would have been a target for the rest of the game.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he is already a target

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is why we need Kovalchuk… then they wouldn’t be able to pay attention to just Gabby…

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is it going to be fun? I love a fight as much as the next guy, but when people get injured by it or by the dirty plays or the flyers in general its no longer cool to watch. Last night was a real lowpoint for hockey.

by bludgeon213uk on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha the flyers in general? i thought the game was actually very exciting not counting the fights. emery looked sharp coming back from injury was good to see.

if the fights had been in reverse and the score been 2-0 NYR winning, you most likely would have loved the game. hopefully the games this spring are as exciting.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lowpoint for hockey? I feel like Steve Moore, the guy Patrice Cormier hit, hell even Ryan Hollweg would disagree.

A game that featured some fights, no injuries, and good defense is a low point for the game?

by eeeeee on Jan 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A low point for the Rangers perhaps, but not hockey….Augerr and Burrows incident…that’s a low point for hockey

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or the Red Wings and the Gagne no goal incidents.

by eeeeee on Jan 22, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or the steve ott goal/no goal in the shootout

that was bad too

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gaborik might have instigated the fight but Carcillo was asking for it

I don’t understand why all of you Flyers fans come over here to argue that. You won the game, who cares who started the fight? You disagree with what you see here? Good, don’t come by then. You have a hell of a board over there for yourself so why don’t you stay there?

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When did Carcillo ask for it? and I do disagree with what was written by some of the posters here, but I’m a hockey fan and a fan of the rivalry we have going on here, so what’s wrong with some fun conversation and discussions. just opinions.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nothing is wrong, actually my comment was directed to the other flyer fans here

but still Carcillo was all over Gaborik and it wan’t just last night, he has been all over Gabby all year. Good for him though that is his job as an instigator but it is hard to defend that Carcillo didn’t ask for it. Hes been on Gabby like white on rice.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is Carcillo’s job though right?

Gaboriks job is to score goals, which he does brilliantly I might add.
Carcillo’s role is to annoy the heck out of the guy who is supposed to score goals. While I will never say Carbomb is a saint, he plays his role perfectly. You guys have Avery for the same reason (as far as I can tell).

Also, we don’t know that Asham ran Lundqvist on purpose, to me (with my orange tinted glasses it certainly didn’t) but even non-intentionally should have had some repurcussions. A lot of people are saying dress Brashear, I miss Orr etc, but those guys were terrible hockey players but very good fighters. IMO they are going to be lost from the game (thankfully).

by ToddtheFox on Jan 22, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When did Carcillo ask for it?

When he came out of nowhere and pulled Gaborik out of the pile for no real reason. No, he may not have been asking for a fight but Gabby’s not a p***y, he’s not going to just let someone jump him either.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that happens in every scrum around the net in every game. this one just happened to be “goon” vs. “star” and the star took offense to it and tried to make a move.

i’m impressed gabby actually wanted to fight him and i’ve earned respect for him for not backing down, but it might not have been the best idea for him to do it. let avery try to clean up the mess.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I have been surprised

he isn’t your soft superstar (like Crosby that pansy) he pushed back, gets rough, gets into scrums, although this is his first fight,

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

before he signed with NY, you never heard more than just his skill, but he’s a very good player.

and he is roughly the same size as carcillo, although obviously one is a better goon and one is a good scorer.

at least we can agree that crosby is a pansy. F that guy.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can come here and bash Crosby

whenever you want

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s one thing Rangers and Flyer fans can agree on

"and they're on their feet at the Garden"

by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think everybody in our division will agree on that, along with most of the conference and NHL.

you callin me a know-nothin? sir, i'll have you know i happen to know very little.

by hockey punk on Jan 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Gabby doesn’t take kindly to get shoved around.

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it doesn’t happen every game.

Goons don’t pull stars out of the pile. They might tie them up, grab them from behind, do other assorted dirty things, they don’t drag them to the boards and engage them.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

read my post again, i said it doesn’t always end up goon vs star, but this time it did.

Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.

by ajr142 on Jan 22, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Read mine again

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see Laraque coming here after this game.
Brash is done, doens’t wanna fight anymore and is getting too slow.
Last night was the worst game of the year IMO, We didn’t play our game and got completely bullied by them from start to finish. I was horrified to see Gaborik fighting and people on the ice letting it happen. Carcillo should have walked away but took an easy target.

by bludgeon213uk on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Laraque would be as big of a mistake as Brashear

he is easily as usless

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think it's the enforcer

As I said above, this team has little toughness up front, and none on the backend. Any team with a defense that will stand up the forwards (say, the teams in our division) causes our forwards to stop forechecking, stop driving to the net, and start flinging 35 footers with no hope of getting the rebound.

And god forbid the opponent has a bigger forward with some skill (say, Carter, Richards, Langenbrunner, J. Staal, Okposo…), they walk in the zone and give us fits because no one on our own defense stands up to them. They might shove them, hit them some…but they give us fits.

I don’t see how the ghost of Brashear, Laraque, or Orr would fix those problems.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orr would be better than what we have

Regardless Souray would fit that mold

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better at what Joe? Voros gets into fights just fine, even if he loses them. And it’s not like teams don’t know Avery’s going to run at anyone who does anything.

I just don’t see how Orr in the lineup instead of Voros changes last night’s game at all. They still shut down their offensive pressure the first time someone punched them in the mouth, and they still had no answer for the bigger Flyers forwards aggressively forechecking.

But yes, Souray would help, at least on the back end.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orr is a better skater than Voros

he is also better with the puck and better at fighting. Orr was groomed by Renney and is a good player who you can trust on his own end.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know Orr is better than Voros

But you can’t be telling me the 5 minutes that either of them see the ice would’ve been enough to change either of the last 2 Flyers games.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

okay

but thats on the coach, not the player

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm saying

Is that having the enforcer wasn’t going to do anything last night. Sure, Orr goes after someone after Gaborik-Carcillo, ok, now what? They’re still losing 1-0. Ok, maybe Orr goes after Richards and takes him out so he can never score at the end of the 2nd.

They’re STILL losing 1-0 and are non sustaining any offensive pressure while their forwards continue to come in and overwhelm our defense with their size and physicality, a theme from all the divisional games thus far.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

offense is a bigger problem

i agree

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

offensive toughness

They have some talent offensively, but guys are going to need to get dirty when the D-men in our division start throwing their body around.

Guys like Dubinsky, Callahan, Drury, Anisimov, and Boyle need to be in front cleaning shit up. (I would say Higgins too, but holy hell there’s no hope there)

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dubinsky has been doing a good job of it

so has Callahan. Anisimov also hasn’t seen enough ice time to take car of anything. And I still don’t understand why

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part, yes they have

Just look at their divisional numbers vs. outside the division though. The divisional opponents make it quite difficult for them to dominate the slot area, and thus we average less than 2 goals per game in the division.

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by RangerSmurf on Jan 22, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orr would be better

because he can win a fight. Voros fights but doesn’t instill any fear in the opponents. Just cause a guy fights doesn’t mean he’s an enforcer.

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kotalik and Rozsival for Souray. Do it. Now.

by dbmaven on Jan 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kotalik and Rozsival for 20 new tinted visors for Gabby! Sold!

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I agree, but maybe with all thats gone on with him, hed be angry enough to fight and protect our stars.

by bludgeon213uk on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am laughing at all you blind Flyers Fans

Stop trolling our boards here and stop being delusional that it was Gaborik who dropped the gloves first when it was your boy Carcillo throwing jabs at him first. This isn’t “HE THREW HIS GLOVES DOWN FIRST SO GABORIK STARTED IT!” That’s complete crap and all of you shmucks know it.

Carcillo started the punches with his gloves on and then threw them off, then Gaborik did. What do you want Gaborik to do there? He has to try to defend himself, but he is not a fighter. That’s why Carcillo “INSTIGATED THE WHOLE THING” But the refs are too dumb and blind to worry about Carcillo because they were worried about Sean Avery too much.

This was a good hockey game till those two incidents ruined it. Your hero is an idiot. If Carcillo had the balls to do that to Sidney Crosby & Alex Ovechkin, he would’ve been destroyed by there respective sides & he would’ve been suspended to the max by the NHL. I hope when the Flyers make a return trip to the Garden, Avery will go nuts on Emery & Briere and we will see how you shmucks like it.

by NYR #35 Richter on Jan 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

in an ideal world

someone should’ve jumped in. Remember a few games back, even when OV wanted to start a fight, his teammate (matt bradley i think) jumped on the ice to step in…why? That’s his job and they know OV’s worth. Why don’t we have that?

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*palmslap*

These images suggest otherwise.

Carcillo got Gaborik out of the pile, Gaborik pushed back against Carcillo, Carcillo gave a light job, followed by Gaborik dropping his right glove starting the actual fight. You see pushing and shoving with slight jabs like Carcillo initially gave Gaborik all the time, but he was never going to drop and go until Gaborik took his gloves off.

Richter915 is right though. The whole thing could have and would have been avoided had the Rangers done what teammates were supposed to do in that situation and come to the aid of their star player when he is locked up with a player like Carcillo.

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by JFein on Jan 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid SB Nation can't post the images as they are.

I was just trying to physically display the pictures that were linked to previously in this thread. Scroll around and re-find those pictures and you can click on this Broad Street Hockey links and you can study our actual citations of picture and video confirming that the Rangers and their media, are the ones that are in fact delusional, corrupting the minds of their fans in the process.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/1/21/1264271/flyers-win-2-0-rangers-delusional

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/1/22/1264437/new-york-media-distorts-carcillo

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by JFein on Jan 22, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you’re a fan of fighting in the game, you cannot also be mad at what Carcillo did. If fighting is ok for some players, then it is ok for all players.

The fact of the matter is that this highlights exactly why fighting shouldnt be part of the game. Because people only like fighting when its “tough” guys. Did you all complain when Iginla and Lecavalier fought in the ’04 finals? They were two of the leading scorers on their teams. I dont remember who the instigator of that fight was, but he went after the other teams top guy – was that cowardly of him?

Fighting fans long for the “good old days” when starts like Gordie Howe and Eddie Shore and even Mark Messier were also able to drop the gloves and defend themselves. So if you are one of those people – you shouldnt be mad at Carcillo. You should be mad at Gaborik for not being able to defend himself enough. After all, thats what a good old tough guy would do!

The reality is that this highlights what fighting is the large majority of the time – a sideshow on the ice between a bunch of goons whose primary value is the willingness to take a punch in the face.

The reality is that fighting has devol

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by poploser on Jan 22, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wish i could delete that last partial thought! nice editing, pop!

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by poploser on Jan 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im down the line on your post. I agree with you in that the game has really changed in that stars don’t fight (It’s become more “european” ala Don Cherry). We have pure scorers and pure enforcers (though post lockout, pure enforcers are diminishing by the hour)…this gaborik carcillo situation doesn’t show a flaw in the game but rather a flaw with a team not adjusting to the league. We gave up a “new breed” fighter for one of the “old time” fighters. If Orr were here this would not have happened, plain and simple. Even if Brash were dressed, do you think carcillo woulda dared touch Gabs? Brash would’ve eaten him alive. And to everyone saying “oh Brash don’t fight”…i disagree…this is an issue of the coach telling him not to fight.

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if Brash were dressed, do you think carcillo woulda dared touch Gabs? Brash would’ve eaten him alive. And to everyone saying "oh Brash don’t fight"…i disagree…this is an issue of the coach telling him not to fight.

Yes, I totally do. The “fear of retribution” argument is the least supportable argument in the world. Carcillo, Avery, Ruutu…pick your pest/goon/whatever. None of them are afraid of the alleged “enforcers” on teams. Carcillo gets in fights all the time…he had 22 fights last year, and has 12 this year. You think he’s afraid of getting hit one more time? His JOB is to get in fights. Brashear…Orr…Bob Probert…Gordie Howe…doesnt matter – none of them would have any deterrent effect on Carcillo.

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by poploser on Jan 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The reality is that this situation will either be solved by a fight between goons, or by somebody taking a dangerous run at Carcillo or one of our stars, trying for nothing but to injure our player to send a message.

Which would you prefer- the players policing themselves with the occasional fight, or with the occasional Chris Simon-ing of the opposition?

by eeeeee on Jan 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

… or Mike Richards blindsiding someone and putting them out of the game for months and perhaps ever.

by fromthe51hate on Jan 22, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

id prefer the league to come down hard to people who fight. Id also like the league to come down hard on people who Chris-Simon someone. I dont see this as a one or the other. If the League had the balls to police itself, then the players wouldnt have to.

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by poploser on Jan 22, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like fighting

I think is a needed part of the game

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. And I prefer a fight than a dangerous almost non legal hit

by gorath on Jan 22, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NCAA proves that to be a complete fallacy. Plenty of hitting and good hockey – and zero (or as close to zero as you can reasonably get) fighting.

But whether or not you and I agree really doesn’t matter. The NHL and PA have absolutely ZERO balls to go that route.

They can’t even come to grips with reasonable limits to protect their most important asset – the players themselves. (rolls eyes).

by dbmaven on Jan 22, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t mean you have to have a fight at every game. I know a hockey game can be a really good one without a fight. But sometimes a fight is inevitable.

And I prefer spontaneous fight. I mean when two playrs fight after some hits at the faceoff or after they battle for the puck in a corner. I think fights are stupid when a player is chasing another one around the ice and forget that there’s a game to play.

And in LHJMQ (junior hockey) they suspend the players when they start a fight but take days to decide for a hit like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgwCaxEB6-Y

by gorath on Jan 23, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My reply was for Joe and his comment that fighting is “needed”.

As for “sometimes a fight is inevitable” – not if the pugilists know that they face an immediate game misconduct and followup suspension from the league. Incidences of fighting drop to almost nothing in that case. Why? Because a suspension hits the player where it really counts: in his wallet.

Just like hits to the head, the NHL and PA can do something if they want.
Reality is that they don’t want to. The fear factor is too high – bunch of chicken-s**ts.

by dbmaven on Jan 23, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry wasn’t sure to whom it was adressed

by gorath on Jan 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

spoken like someone who has never played the game.

There is a difference between theoretical banter and actually getting on the ice. That’s why things like “code” and “enforcer” are more than just words on paper, or facy book titles.

by bleed'n blue on Jan 24, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carcillo is done

Carcillo was licking his chops when he saw gaborik. Like predator to prey gaborik never had a chance and carcillo attacked how we ended up shorthanded is beyond me. Carcillo is a piece of crap and I can’t wait until next game when twenty guys dressed in blue will be licking their chops to get at him. He is a disguisting person just like the rest of the flyers

by nyr4L1f3 on Jan 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If 20 guys in white didn’t do it yesterday, why should they do it next time…if by 20 guys in blue you mean the fans…(or some angry cops) then maybe, but I don’t see it from this team

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by SIRangers on Jan 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear all this talk

about the next game. This mini fight happened half way through the game and the best we responded with was avery. Seriously, that was it. Props to him but that is not avery’s role.

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1st things 1st . Your beautiful media took a quote from Carcillo about him saying" Licking his chops" That was after Carcillo said " I can’t believe he dropped his gloves " . You have to be realistic, Carcillo did not make a run at the " Golden child " Gaborik engaged. Just like I mentioned to NYRblogger this is hockey. Carcillo helped him by toughening him up. You’d never hear a Philly commentator making an excuse after one of their men were in a fight. They would say what a tough customer, hanging in there when he knows he’s out-matched. Gaborik is most likely embarrased that you are making excuses for him. As far as your comment " twenty guys dressed in blue licking their chops " please ….. you got burned once. ( I should say two consecutive times ) Now your gonna put your hand back in the fire? Not too smart.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1st things 1st . Your beautiful media took a quote from Carcillo about him saying" Licking his chops" That was after Carcillo said " I can’t believe he dropped his gloves " . You have to be realistic, Carcillo did not make a run at the " Golden child " Gaborik engaged. Just like I mentioned to NYRblogger this is hockey. Carcillo helped him by toughening him up. You’d never hear a Philly commentator making an excuse after one of their men were in a fight. They would say what a tough customer, hanging in there when he knows he’s out-matched. Gaborik is most likely embarrased that you are making excuses for him. As far as your comment " twenty guys dressed in blue licking their chops " please ….. you got burned once. ( I should say two consecutive times ) Now your gonna put your hand back in the fire? Not too smart.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey chief, get back to me when the likes of chris neil go after a china doll like briere. But they never would…why? Chris Pronger’s wild and unpunished elbows will hunt them down. Your comment has zero credibility…“toughening him up”? right cause players like gretz, kariya, lemieux…they made their careers by toughening up. Thank you dan carcillo, please teach our top scorer since Jagr how to fuck up his injury prone body some more.

by Richter915 on Jan 22, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sport, Gretzky fought …look it up. I ‘m sure you are aware that he has a few records too & is a little more well known than Gaborik. As for Briere he’s been fighting a lot this year. The only difference you will never hear a Philly announcer or coach crying like Tortorella. Again, this is HOCKEY. Hopefully when the Flyers see you in the 2011 playoffs ( you wont be in this year ) you will have acquired some fighters by that time.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beat Pittsburgh for once

Then come back here and B*tch.

Rangers FTW!

by BleedsRangerBlue on Jan 22, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Foot in mouth

Good job against the Caps last year in the 1st round. Do any of you guys do your homework before you open your mouth? I think since the Rangers spend so much dam money on their team & coach then don’t win …. they just get on here and ramble on because they are frustrated.

by Chris10 on Jan 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

roflmao

Wait.

Who’d your Flyers play last year?
How many games did that series go??

Man up, dude. Couldn’t even manage to get to game 7 against Cindy and Co….

Don’t leave mad – just leave. K. Thks. Bye.

by dbmaven on Jan 23, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Loved them scores tonight. How long can they keep the scoreless periods going? I’ll have to check the record books. This isn’t worh it any more …there is nothing …. I do mean nothing!

by Chris10 on Jan 24, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Spoke too soon

Pittsburgh 2 Final

Philadelphia 1

Still can’t handle Cindy & Co…..

Come back when you’ve won the cup, K?

by dbmaven on Jan 24, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Squeaked by

1 goal dude, you are really looking for something . 0 – 7 since the Flyers game … correct? Looks like the physical abuse really got to them. How long is your streak going to last?

by Chris10 on Jan 30, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You cannot base the entire team on one person.

Can I say that the entire Rangers team beat women because of what Hank did to that Ice Girl, haha NO WAY! Btw, I think Lundqvist was totally in the right there

Carcillo is a piece of crap and I can’t wait until next game when twenty guys dressed in blue will be licking their chops to get at him.

So you would like 20 Carcillo’s then? He is the type of guy you hate on everyone elses team, but love on your own. Kind of like Avery I would imagine.

by ToddtheFox on Jan 22, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flyers vs Rangers

Where is your logic? This is hockey dude, not tennis. Go to you-tube and watch the fight between Carcillo & Gaborik. Gaborik took the 1st two ( very weak ) rabbit punches, then Carcillo cleaned up. It cracked me up when you wrote " There are lines in this sport that you do not cross " my god, how long have you been watching hockey? Does Gaborik have written in his contract that he doesn’t fight? There should never be a " Golden Child " it did him some good, toughened up the poor boy. My bet is he’s home hitting the heavy bag right now. getting ready for his next fight.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal...

You can talk all you want about “who threw the first punch” but the fact of the matter is Carcillo went racing into that scrum like a bat out of hell and intentionally singled out Gaborik, getting him in a headlock, and obviously trying to get him to fight. It’s no secret- Carcillo is a guy who looks for absolutely any excuse to start throwing punches, regardless of who he’s swinging at or whether it’s even worth dropping the gloves. He is completely tactless in this regard. And I suppose you’re still going to argue that Gaborik was the aggressor in this instance.
To “defend” Carcillo’s actions is purely asinine. The bottom line is he’s immature, reckless, has serious anger issues and he’s an embarrassment to the sport. There’s a reason the Phoenix Coyotes, yes the Coyotes of all teams, couldn’t wait to unload this guy. Even that organization, which is starved for fans and will do virtually anything to sell seats, got completely fed up with Carcillo’s childish antics and couldn’t wait to show him the door.
I’m not being hypocritical either in my assessment of Carcillo because I realize the Rangers have one of the most hated and controversial instigators in the league (you know who I’m taking about) who shares some of Carcillo’s less-desirable traits, but I highly doubt you’ll ever see Sean Avery start wildly throwing haymakers at a Pavel Datsyuk or Henrik Sedin. Avery at least has some measure of respect for the game and for players of that caliber, whereas Carcillo has none.

by AZRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree that Averys respect for the game is admirable. I did chuckle when he hit an idle Tim Thomas in the back of the head with his stick. Oh, I’m sorry that was an accident. …. Thomas should of seen the glare of Averys halo & been fore warned. I also forgot that Carcillo had Anger issues with his ex-girlfriend being passed around by his old teamates ….. …oh, wait that was Avery. Hmm, pretty obvious who the deamon seed is here.

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry you don't get it

I am not defending Avery, nor did I imply that his respect for the game was admirable. I said Avery has some measure of respect for the game, whereas Carcillo has NONE. You obviously failed to understand what I was trying to convey.
Best of luck to your beloved Flyers.

by AZRangerFan on Jan 22, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Professor

I am really sorry that I implied that Avery may not have the measure of respect for the game. Hitting a goalie in the back of the head is the ultimate in class and again publicly talking about ex-girlfriends like a 16 yr is what most mature adults do. I’m still trying to see how that compares to Carcillo’s anticks. I have to keep reminding myself that NY is mostly democrat where logic & responsibilty is skewed. I am expecting the Rangers to re-build during the off-season and we should have some competitive playoff games in 2011. Looking forward to it!

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this Carcillo/Gaborik fight (if that’s what you want to call it) is now clouding over the fact that the Rangers cannot compete with big teams that play physical, strong defense. Unfortunately, that describes every other team in our division.
I also sense that many of our players DO NOT understand how important these divisional rivalry games are – for the team and the fans. I remember Avery saying something after the Islanders fiasco in December that not enough of our players understand what a privilege it is to be a Ranger, or words to that effect. I think he was 100% right.
To be fair, our play has improved in recent weeks, including at home. The next step – and I would think this is obvious – is to find ways to compete better in divisional matchups. I know we’re not built for it, but we play these teams more than anybody – find a way to get it done, or we’re truly going nowhere.

by Joe1969 on Jan 22, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fighting is all part of hockey and not the issue here.That being said we need a true enforcer though for when we play teams like the flyers, Orr was perfect and should not have been let go. The isse for me is our team, aside from Avery/Dubinsky and Voros were way too soft. Gaborik should never have been allowed to have that goon all over him. In a perfect world we would have a defenseman who’s going to be on the ice behind Gaborik to stop this from happening. somebody like Avery/Voros is rarely even on the ice at the same time.

by bludgeon213uk on Jan 22, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

clown

what sort of clown wrote this article? Did you even watch the game? Gaboric dropped his gloves first and got what he deserved while the rest of his team looked on and did nothing. Then Avery the hero got chumped by Scott Fartsmell. Maybe you should mention that.

A+ quality reporting here.

by waktasz on Jan 22, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We’ve all seen the video. Carcillo was clearly the aggressor. And, while not so clear, if you watch closely Carcillo’s left glove is the first to come off.

by jigblahdah on Jan 23, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pennsylvania

I know this does nothing to serve the discourse but I missed most of the game anyway and I feel it must be said. People from Pennsylvania are primarily degenerate hicks whose ultimate goal appears to be to make those around them disgusted by their general unpleasantness and lack of character. And honestly, having been to Pittsburgh, Philly and the surrounding areas before, I don’t really blame them. If my home and the people I lived with were comparable to a bucket of diarrhea, I would be bitter and unpleasant too. As such, it is no surprise that the Flyers and their fans are the way that they are.

by jigblahdah on Jan 22, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Frustrated?

Don’t lose your composure over going 6 straight periods against the Flyers without a goal ! I understand how you must feel but you do realize the Rangers could not get 1 past a bargain goalie that was over in Russia last year. On the other end Lunklutz lets a 20 year old kid get his own re-bound & pop one in with a defensemen riding him the entire way. It just made me think ……would a third Ranger in there have stopped JVR ? I am disappointed because I was expecting a better game. I know your Philly comments are out of frustration. But John Rocker had nothing bad to say about Philly ….. I felt bad about him having to recant his statements … I guess that Democrat state of yours would have just kept crying and crying until he said sorry, Do you really think Rocker’s apology was sincere ?? How much they charging for a 400 square foot apartment now in the city ? $2,000 …$2,500 …Wow what a place I’m sure eveyone wants to live there right?

by Chris10 on Jan 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Philly fans are really up to date with their current events. John Rocker? Really? That guy looked/acted like he got bricked in the head. He didn’t say anything about Philly cause he felt he shared a lot in common with all its residents.

by jigblahdah on Jan 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Job

You nailed it , Rocker said exactly how we felt. Hope your feelings weren’t hurt. Seems like you are still trying to put it out of your memory.

by Chris10 on Jan 24, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Classy

We’ve done nothing but induce logic on threads filled with lies, distortions, and delusions, and yet WE’RE the “degenerate hicks”???

As much as I would like to go off on you and give you a dose of your own medicine, alas, I will not. If I am to believe that I am better than you, jigblahdah, I must act like it.

Therefore I will leave in peace and laugh to myself at you and your patheticness.

Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".

by JFein on Jan 23, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Gabs thought it was inevitable – it was pretty close on who threw the gloves first but honestly, it looks like Gaborik to me. That said, Carcillo didn’t really need to go that far – the haymakers at the end were more than a little over the top for such a miss-match.

It should have never come to that point to begin with – Girardi & MDZ should have been in there, as any responsible D would be. Hanging at the hash marks watching the whole thing is unacceptable to me.

and…sorry, but I don’t think calling a whole state “degenerate hicks” does anybody any good – every state has their fair share…

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