oooo torts is testy

hey enough already make a move if you can or bring some hungry wolfpacker up it cant be worse than this effort help the blue titanic is sinking !

I normally watch win or lose but tonight made me feel a bit queezy. We need to keep what works and get rid of what doesn’t. Zherdev and atropov would have netted us 50 goals and sather took gambles on guys who might do that like higgens, koty ect ect. Its that simple. And trading up should be the number one priority, because its obvious we just need better players than what we have right now. Maybe its time to do a story Joe on who we should want to keep at this point in the season and who we should try to unload.

Every one of you who defended Torts vs. Brooks the other night after Philly. This team sucks, this coach sucks, and I applaud Larry Brooks for being a total ass – for whatever reason, invalid or not – following each and every debacle this season. We are in total meltdown fellas – and it starts at the top. Believe me, I want to blame Sather more than anyone, but regardless – this coach has lost his players – all of them. And he deserves to be run right the hell out of town. I hate it cuz I love his fire, but Torts is done. D-O-N-E. Pathetic. Totally pathetic.

 But he certainly needs to share the blame with sather, he helped to assemble this year’s team too. I admit, I thought he would be the joe torre of the new rangers when he came on board but boy was I wrong.

I’m going to rant to make this painful loss go away….

Rather than trading and overpaying players in the off season in hopes to fill the void this team has. My question since some of you guys cover what we have in our system and think sather has drafted well. do we have the players that can surround Lundquist and Gaborik in our system or do we need a miracle trade to fill this 2 season scoring slump this team is on. what is the best way to fill the top two lines? Is Dubinsky or Callahan second or third line players. we also need physical players that are effective scorers and checkers that can stand up and protect Gaborik when he on the ice. I see more problems than solutions at this point. The d that we drafted do any of them have a pair?

Those teams in the early 90’s had the right formula. they had scoring with amonte graves messier kovalev verbeek gartner zubov leetch nemchinov weight and they were well equipped to handle Philly when they chose to play tough and could hang with a pond hockey team like the Canadians. It was a culture Messier Graves and Buekeboom instilled in the team if your better players that you depend on got roughed up you had to answer the bell. they also could handle this Canadian team by playing smart hockey in the d end and physical with them in their own end when it seemed like the team needed a spark. Aside from those Messier Ranger teams management always seem to be a victim in regards to having their star players being pushed around. Gaborik really needs to have a player that he can play with that can take some physical workload off him. Teams are starting to play him tough and he is left alone having to deal with it. Its nice Voros came over after the fact, but he is not skilled enough to be his line mate when stuff goes down like it did against philly. He is going to get hurt with these players taking extra shots at him, and you think this team can’t score with him in the lineup. gaborik slump is now really effecting this teams offense.

How many times has Lundquist been run over this year with no answer, I bet we are in double digits. you thought are d was bad then wait until Lundquist get injured on one of these players crashing the net.

I like the spunk we’ve shown the last couple of games but it is not from us engaging the other teams star players but having to respond to other teams taking shots at us. we seem to do be coming up on the short end with the officials calling power plays against us when we’re not defending each other and the score sheet because this team has to many victims and not enough leadership and toughness to say I got your back we take care of one another. when you play like that you get a good bounce.

Lack of scoring also helps you become victims because now the other teams know they can take an extra penalty to get at lundquist and Gaborik because chances are you won’t make us pay on the scoresheet anyway.

This team has way to many needs to think this will be better next year

And I’ve lost all respect for dan giradi

alright i’m done

i miss jagr

Well at this point am so done, the only players that i will keep Henry,Gaby,Staal,del Zotto,Cally,Duby all the others send then packing…….anybody say MIKE KENAN!!!!Bring some kids up maybe just maybe!!!this team is Done!!!Glen do something please….

There are just too many players on this team that have no fire in the belly and are like automatons. You can see it on the ice and you can see it in the interviews – no enthusiasm, like their just punching the clock. Girardi, Drury, Staal, even Dubinsky. It’s pathetic.
There’s just something missing with too many of these guys and it makes them really hard to root for. I really feel bad for Avery, Lundqvist, Callahan, Gaborik, guys who obviously care and get no support.

Two words this team needs to learn, well maybe 1 they need to learn cause the other they do in plenty of games. TANK and SELL. We all have seen them tank many games with no effort and tonight wasnt even the worst of those type of performances, but this team needs to sell anything it can and tank the year instead of this BS where they struggling to finish 6-10 in the East, maybe get in and lose in the 1st round. Tank it, get a really high pick, a stud player and start adding some top of the line talent to players like Lundy, Gabby, Staal. We have a bunch of 3rd line players whether people want to admit it, Dubi and AA probably being the most likely to exceed that cause they at least have 2nd line talent.

Right now this team is 7th in the conference, 3 pts ahead of 13th. Ironically enough they are also 3 pts ahead of the 5th worst record in the league. There are 12 teams that have between 52 and 55 pts right now and if the Rangers do what they should and admit this team wont do anything this year and like the other Snowbirds head south for the winter we might actually get some changes around here and some hope for real contention in the future.

Guys to deal:
Prospal: should net at least a 2nd and a 4th…prime team to target is Boston who has 2 1st, 3 2nds this year.
Girardi: maybe nets a 3-4. Maloney might want him in PHX as they are always said to want a “vet.”
Higgins: This is the guy i think Calgary might be targeting cause he plays Sutter hockey, but he hasnt scored here. Though if they can make Dawes into a 10g 25 pt guy in 50 games, Higgins could fit. anything is a bonus return.
Kotalik: we all know he is gone, as long as no contract past this year comes back it is a win.
Gilroy: this one might be controversial cause he is a rookie and people love his upside, but i think he is more a 3rd line forward than a d-man at this level and to get 1.75 mil off the cap next year i would sell for value if i was offered it.
Rozi: doubt that anyone would want him cause of his cap hit, but sell if you can.

This list is probably the greatest testimony to how uncompetitive this team would be in the playoffs because outside of Lundy, Gabby, Staal, MDZ, AA, Dubi, Cally (on the nhl roster) other than Prospal, Gilroy and Girardi that anyone else would really want to deal for.

The pipeline has talent in it lead by Stepan, Grachev, McDonagh with players like Werek, Kreider, Bourque, Horak further away and if dumping some of this crap, tanking this year will add more picks and higher picks then we need to do it. besides i am tired of making the playoffs so dolan gets more revenue, raises tickets again and we still show up like sheep to be a 6-8 team and lose in round 1. if tanking worked for pitt, chi, was, nyi then it’s time to try something new cause this shit aint working.

The problem is Sather probably thinks if he misses the playoffs he might actually get fired so the sell wont happen and we will buy shit that might get us in, sell prospects or draft picks, maybe take on more cap crap just to sneak in and lose early while lowering our picks. Oh and if Dolan does finally fire Sather, i love Mess for what he did bringing the Cup in 94, but he CANNOT be Sather’s replacement because he wont clean up Sather’s mess.

Every time I start to have the slightest touch of faith in the Rangers, they pull the rug out and leave me on my ass. I dont even know what to make of such a mercurial team. It would be one thing if they played hard every night and just couldnt finish, but they dont. I wish I had a nicer word for it, but for the most part, they just look like sloppy dog shit on skates.

The best I’m hopng for is that I’ll see a penalty caled against Crosby.

I’ve read the post and alot of good points and ideas have been raised. Problem is that the Rangers will keep going the way thay have and end up with a 8 seed. We then get bumped in 4 or 5 in the first round and get a poor pick in the draft.

If his head wasnt so far up his ass, I dont think we would be having secondary scoring issues.

Gaborik on the first line, and Zherdev on the second line wouldve been nice this year.

Che sera.