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Managing the NY Rangers within the Salary Cap

Subtitle: Why The Rangers need to send Redden and Rozsival to Hartford.

There have been rants and raves for weeks now, some sane, some less than sane, but all passionate and well-intentioned – about what the Rangers need to do to improve their roster for next season.

We’ve bantered about all sorts of ideas – and argued the merits and drawbacks of all of them. "We need to get (Phaneuf, Exelby, Kovalchuk…..)". And inevitably we either realize by ourselves, or one of the other regular contributors reminds us, that there’s this annoying little thing called the NHLPA and it’s annoying cousin, the SALARY CAP, that bring us crashing down to reality.

The purpose of this particular dissertation is part education, part historical journey, ultimately leading to a recommendation for the Owners and Management. No, I’m not going to get into "Fire Sather" – that’s a separate topic that has a life all of its own. This topic deals with the realities as they currently exist – and it is that reality which the GM, whomever that might be, must confront.

I apologize in advance for this being brutally long - there's so much information I wanted to present, and I'm not a professional writer or editor by profession (which is probably a good thing!).

Let’s start with the historical journey, shall we?

The last year before the lockout, and the subsequent NHLPA/Salary Cap era, was 2004. This happens to be the year of several interesting events:

  • The Rangers entered a ‘rebuilding mode’ of sorts, shedding themselves of Petr Nedved, Anson Carter, Brian Leetch, and Alexei Kovalev (again).
  • The Washington Capitals flipped Jaromir Jagr to the Rangers (for Anson Carter) and then sent Carter packing to Los Angeles. They also rid themselves of Peter Bondra, Sergei Gonchar, Robert Lang, and Steve Konowalchuk
  • Despite adding Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya to a star-studded lineup, the Colorado Avalanche didn’t make it to the Cup finals. Likewise, the Anaheim Ducks, who had added Sergei Fedorov and Vinny Prospal to a team that made it to the seventh game of the Cup Finals the previous year, failed to even make the playoffs. For that matter, the Rangers also missed the playoffs….
  • John Tortorella led a surprising Tampa Bay Lightning team to the Stanley Cup
  • Dan Cloutier (remember him?) was one of the top goalies in the league that year, playing in 60 games, and putting up 33 wins, with 5 shutouts, a .914 save percentage, and a 2.27 GAA for the Vancouver Canucks.

OK – enough with trivia time. Now for some facts (after the jump!)

Star-divide

As you can see from the table below, in 2004 the Rangers had some staggering financial numbers. They were valued by Forbes as the franchise with the highest value of any NHL club - $282mm. Despite healthy Gate Receipts ($42mm), they actually had a LOSS in Operating Income of -3.3mm. A fair amount of that was no doubt due to the $78mm in player expenses (salary/bonus and benefits), which was second in the league – only surpassed by the Detroit Red Wings (at $80mm).

Since 2004, the Rangers have dropped to the Number 2 position in terms of overall value, surpassed by the Toronto Maple Leafs. However, even though they’ve surrendered the Number 1 value position, the worth of the club has grown by 134mm – or 47.5%. The Maple Leafs have increased by 190mm, or 67.8%. One reason for that is the fact that for 2009, the average ticket price for Leafs games is $92 (USD), while the average ticket price for the Rangers is $55 (USD). (Note that with the changes in ticket prices for the current 09/10 season, the average for MSG may no longer be that low.)

Team

Year

Value Position

$Value

Debt-to-Value

Revenue

Oper. Income

Player Expenses

Gate Receipts

Wins/ Player 1

Playoffs

NYRangers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2004

1

282

89%

118

-3.3

78

42

41

DNQ2

 

2006

2

306

82%

109

17.7

46

43

84

Conf. Qtrs.

 

2007

2

365

0

122

25.4

49

51

105

Conf. Semi

 

2008

2

411

0

137

30.7

57

61

101

Conf. Semi

 

2009

2

416

0

139

27.7

61

63

86

Conf. Qtrs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Toronto Maple Leafs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2004

2

280

39%

117

14.1

69

56

86

DNQ2

 

2006

1

332

52%

119

41.5

43

58

81

DNQ2

 

2007

1

413

39%

138

52.7

49

62

80

DNQ2

 

2008

1

448

35%

160

66.4

53

78

77

DNQ2

 

2009

1

470

31%

168

78.9

47

77

84

DNQ2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stanley Cup Champion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tampa

2004

13

150

33%

88

8.6

41

37

196

 

Carolina

2006

21

177

51%

82

-4.6

49

32

129

 

Anaheim

2007

15

157

0

75

-0.2

38

27

136

 

Detroit

2008

4

303

0

110

13.4

53

54

166

 

Pittsburgh

2009

11

222

45%

93

3.3

50

47

162

 

1 - Wins-to-Player Cost Ratio: Compares the number of wins per player payroll relative to the rest of the NHL. Postseason wins count twice as much as regular season wins. A score of 120 means that the team achieved 20% more victories per dollar of payroll compared with the league average.

2 - DNQ = Did Not Qualify for Playoffs

 

For the sake of comparison, the Stanley Cup Champion’s numbers are also presented for each year since 2004. One thing that isn’t obvious, but bears pointing out – the Rangers had more net Operating Income last year alone (27.7mm) than the sum of all Stanley Cup Champs since 2004 who had a positive Operating Income figure (25.3mm for Tampa/Detroit/Pittsburgh).

Just as mind-boggling – the Maples Leafs made more in the last 2 years than the Rangers have since 2006 – by 43.8mm (about 30% more). That’s 2 years for the Leafs vs. 4 years for the Rangers!!

For 2009, there are only 3 NHL Franchises with a Zero Debt-to-Value ratio – the Rangers, Detroit Red Wings, and Chicago Blackhawks. With the impending (or is it already completed?) spin-off of MSG by Cablevision, and the planned renovation of the current Madison Square Garden facility, that list may be one shorter next year.

Also interesting to note, both the Leafs and Rangers are in a minority of franchises which completely own the concessions at their arenas. Most teams contract with organizations like ARAMARK, and in some cases that may be a result of a lease arrangement with a municipal authority which owns the arena (and then controls much of the concession activity). The Rangers, Canadiens, and Flyers are among a small minority of franchises which own the arena as well as the NHL team that plays in it. (Note that the Canadiens are handicapped somewhat, as both the Rangers and Flyers owners also own an NBA franchise that shares the arena, which spreads out the costs significantly.)

So what’s the takeaway here? The owners of the Rangers own the arena outright (no mortgage, no debt). They control all of the concessions – so whatever profit is made from soda/beer/food, and "merchandise" stays within the organization – no sharing with a concessionaire or municipal authority.

Some other items that jump out at you, and make you go "Hmmmmm!"… The Leafs manage to end up with almost one-half of their total revenue as Operating Income. How come the Rangers only manage to end up with about 20%?? Unfortunately, those answers would require access to their finances which I will never get. I’d hazard a guess that some of it is the difference in player expenses (61 vs. 47) and some is due to the differences in taxes in the US (especially in New York City) and Canada – but I find it hard to believe that would account for all of the nearly 30% difference. Beyond that, I won’t speculate – it’s not fair and would be pure guesswork.

This begs all sorts of questions – not the least of which would be – with all of the money that Toronto is making – how in the hell can they manage to not even make the playoffs for 5 years (and it’s going to be 6) running??

Running a close second (both in value and in serious questions!) would be – why the hell can’t the Rangers manage to do better in the regular season AND the playoffs??

Well, if money (and really, the ability to make money) were all it takes to win the Stanley Cup, clearly the Rangers and Leafs would be in the finals every year. But as we know (as do our long suffering friends in Toronto) – it takes vision, foresight, and a whole lot more on the part of Team Management to build a winning franchise. And even those that are acknowledged as being "good at it" – like Pittsburgh and Detroit – don’t necessarily win the cup, or even get to the final dance, every year. A lot of luck is involved.

So – now we have a perspective about the value of the Rangers franchise, and to a degree how ‘profitable’ they are.

Now, for a bit more history – let’s look at the Rangers ‘Player Expenses’ over a period of time – pre and post Collective Bargaining agreement.

Year

Rangers Player Expense

League Rank

1998/1999

39.8

1

1999/2000

59.4

1

2000/2001

55.5

1

2001/2002

57.3

2

2002/2003

69.2

1

2003/2004

78

2

2005/2006

46

n/a

2006/2007

49

n/a

2007/2008

57

n/a

2008/2009

61

n/a

As you can see, in 99/2000, the Rangers leapt from a 40mm payroll to almost 60mm – or about what it’s been this year (09/10) and last. That’s the year that Gretzky was gone, and Beukeboom retired – so Neil Smith went on a free agent binge to shore things up (sound familiar?) with the likes of wings Theo Fleury, Valeri Kamensky, and Pavel Brendl, plus defensemen Sylvain Lefebvre and Stephane Quintal. If you’re thinking that Fleury is the most recognizable name of that crew you’d be correct, and not necessarily for all the right reasons. If you need to know more, get yourself a copy of his recent book. Kirk McLean was brought in to be Mike Richter’s backup, after Dan Cloutier was dealt to Tampa Bay.

In each year after that, leading right up to the last "pre-CBA" year of 2003/2004, the Rangers had either the #1 or #2 (as in most expensive) payroll in the league. And diddly-squat to show for it when it came to playoff experiences. And surely no Stanley Cup(s). In the middle of the 03/04 season, you had the Jagr and other moves mentioned near the start of this piece – which culminated in a total player expense number of about $78mm, just slightly behind Detroit that year. And Washington was paying about one-half of Jagr’s salary!

OK – now it’s time for the punch line(s) – you can all breathe a sigh of relief!

It’s now 2010, and at the end of this season, presuming that no other GMs are crazy enough (or influenced by psychotropic drugs or Jedi Mind Tricks) to take Wade Redden or Michal Rozsival off the NY Rangers hands, they both need to be sent to Hartford to play out their days, or as some might say "to serve the rest of our sentence". Now, before I say anything else, I’ll add this – as people, I have nothing but high regard for both of these individuals. It is not their fault that they’re being paid long-term salaries which far exceed their actual value. In the same situation, I’d have jumped at the opportunity to sign the contract. This is strictly a business decision taken in the context of what needs to be done for the betterment of the hockey club. If you’re offended, I apologize in advance, it’s nothing personal.

We all know that these contracts, more than any others, are absolutely killing the ability of the Rangers to make roster-improving moves. No more. Sending them to Hartford removes them from the salary cap. And the Rangers, based on pre-2005 Player Expense numbers (as shown above), and the overall profitability of the organization, can absolutely afford to do it.

In 10/11, you’ll be adding $10.5mm to the NHL player expense numbers, bringing it to roughly $74mm – still less than the $78mm of the 03/04 season. In 11/12, it’s 9.5mm, and in 12/13 and 13/14, it’s 5.0mm. And that’s it. The pain is over. 4 seasons, and the thorn has been removed from your side. Permanently. And with no lingering side-effects.

"Why not use the buyout?" you ask. Good question. The answer is that you prolong the pain and you get less benefit. For Wade Redden, the pain period doubles until after the 2017/2018 season. Not only that, but unlike shipping them to Hartford, where 100% of the cap hit is immediately removed, using the buyout costs you anywhere from almost $2mm to almost $3.5mm against the cap! So, instead of having both legs (or other body parts) in a wringer, now you only have one leg caught. You still can’t run or skate – but it only hurts one-half as much.

"But the AHL has the ‘Development Rule’ – you can’t send both of them to Hartford!" you say. Well, you’d be right about the rule, which is meant to protect the AHL and make sure that it remains a ‘developmental league’ for future NHLers. The rule defines a ‘veteran’ as someone with more than 260 games of ‘professional experience’. Any AHL team can have up to six players with 260 or more professional games apiece – or up to 5 players if any one of them has 320 or more professional games. As of right now, there is no one on the Wolf Pack roster that approaches the threshold other than Mathieu Dandenault (who is injured). So, this is not a concern or limitation for the scenario being proposed.

"But, what about the AHL Salary Cap? Surely adding Redden and Rozsival would break the cap for Hartford?!?" Well, it would, except for the fact that the AHL doesn’t have a salary cap. See the 2nd line of the article reporting on the AHL President’s address link - click here.

No – the simple answer is that the Rangers as an organization can easily afford to pay the remaining salaries of both of these albatrosses in Hartford, with the accompanying instantaneous benefit of freeing up $11.5mm in cap space for the 2010/2011 season.

Spent wisely that’s a lot to build with.

Edit: I neglected to note that all financial information is readily available at Forbes.com. Each year, they analyze the state of each major sport (baseball, hockey, football, basketball - there may be others). Forbes.com was the source for the financial information I compiled to present to you in this post.

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Fantastic job DB, knowing you is like going to college!

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 29, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s a great post. If only Dolan would read it and act on it. Keep fighting the good fight.

by Joe1969 on Jan 29, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bure Forever

The one person that Sather got who was consistant was Pavel Bure. Although he played just 51 games for the Rangers, he recorded an astonishing 50 points in those 51 games. It still pains me that a 4th liner like Curtis Brown ended his career.

by The Last Shall Become First on Jan 30, 2010 3:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s the whole pt. spent wisely that’s Sather’s problem, when he signed Redden the guy he should’ve went after was Streit but he went to the Islanders but if you had intentions of resigning Rozy then why bother spending that $$ at all. Sather doesn’t seem to know how to add piece by piece he’d rather go an change the makeup of the team, 1/2 this team is different than last yr Looking back know who did we get for Prucha Korpo and Kalilin oh yeah no one Morris walked, saving the 4.4 mil he spent on Kotalik and Brashear and resigned Zherdev doesn’t seem so bad now does it he could’ve been with Anisimov and Lisin or spent 800,000 on Afinigenov!!!!!!!!!

by rickster723 on Jan 30, 2010 6:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post DB

I am impressed and 100% agree. Respect.

by MattPwrcf1 on Jan 30, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

THANKS!

The numbers confirm what I already suspected and I agree with your opinion that R & R should be sent to Harford for some R &R, but just to be fair, what is the planned renovation of MSG going to cost Dolan? Enough to be a factor….?

by mike1967 on Jan 30, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

$400 million +++++

$20mil++ for demolition alone.

by NYdemo on Jan 30, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fantastic post

Unfortunately the Rangers will never send R & R down to hartford. Rosy will most likely be gone by the trade deadline packaged in some cringe inducing deal where duby ends up in the west somewhere, and we take on an aging vet with a giant contract. Leaving us to watch as our 6.5 mil per “number 1” d-man turns the puck over in our own zone again and again… and again… and again

by chuck1ley on Jan 30, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis, DB - the type of one that hits the nail right on the factual head.

In a related sentiment, banishing these guys to Hartford will most likely result in the Arnason effect [of a player-requested defection]. I’d be shocked if Rozsival doesn’t end back in the Czech League to rid himself of a ‘minor league player’ label. Redden – who is clearly a very proud guy based on his reaction to the benching – will likely reach a buyout compromise.

The unfortunate reality, however, is that the Rangers ownership might not actually care this much about competitiveness/personnel management. If they’re still making good money, there’s no incentive to eat these contracts in lieu of a couple more they’d have to to put on the books up @ the NHL level.

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by pslieber on Jan 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

we can only dream

by Dougee on Jan 30, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Job

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by Scent of a Woman on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Job!

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by PPP on Jan 30, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what are you doing here?

saw the maple leafs tag and had to jump over ;-)

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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well written db.

by Dave (BSB) on Jan 30, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

realisticlly do u think the rangers would send redden and rosival to hartford. its rly the only chance they have to compete in the next 5 years

by rangers9ny on Jan 30, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DB

Wow!!!!! Hope Jim payed you a lot of money for all that work..Great Piece!
Now if you could only find a way to make that happen…………

by Pauly D on Jan 30, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pauly I paid him double what we pay Joe

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whats double of 0? lol

db, good post i couldnt agree more with your analysis of our shitty yet very real situation. Plus you taught me a thing or two about the business side of things gj!

by louielounz1 on Jan 30, 2010 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Brendl was one of our picks way back when, not an overpaid FA. I think realistically they need to jettison both of these guys. Rozi may have some trade value, but Redden is an anchor around our necks.

by earthworm on Jan 30, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very nice

Great Post!! More than anything I just want the Rangers to hold on to the youth they have. I don’t want a whiner like Kovalchuk if it involves losing Callahan or Dubinsky. But sending The Terrible Twosome to Hartford is a great theory. Why can’t Blueshirt Banter collectively run the NYR organization????

by OB1199 on Jan 30, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why can’t we collectively run the NYR? Because we’d actually give a shit about the team, and Dolan would wind up with hurt feelings.

by Kritikal on Feb 2, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brendl was our # 1 in 1999 and went to the Flyers in the Lindros trade.

by rek on Jan 30, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

to bad dolan does not care .

as long as the garden sells out he does not care what kind of crap sather puts on the ice time to blow this up cause it is starting to stink like shit at the garden ..

by lohaus#54 on Jan 30, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fan happiness and team success does not translate to the bottom line here in NY. The product still sells despite mediocrity. Wheres the incentive to take the kind of hit implied by putting R & R in the minors. Selling out every night is still a sell out. You can’t exceed that. When you’re selling out the only way to increase profit is to reduce expenditures not increase them. Its a sad state of affairs. We will never see them in the minors in my opinion.

Great article.

by jigblahdah on Jan 30, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

great post

learned a lot of new things, regardless of the opinion (which i also agree with). keep em coming.

by #17ToTheRafters on Jan 30, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all your positive comments.

Glad you liked it / learned something or just were entertained.

I guess the main point is that if they bury R + R in HFD and end up having to pay off the entire contract, the “worst” hit is next year, and the total (if they max out the salary cap with new players) plus these 2 will STILL be LESS than the $78mm they spent in 2003/2004.
If they WANT to – they CAN.

One of the things I suspect is that the NHL will take a very dim view of this tactic – even to the point of trying to convince the Rangers NOT to do it, Legally, there’s nothing they can do (at least I don’t think there is) to prevent it. But Bettman & CO. can make life miserable for you if they want – and the NHLPA will have a carton of canaries and file all sorts of grievances.

How many people think that Dolan/Sather have the cojones to do it anyway??

Yeah – I didn’t think so… ;-)

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by dbmaven on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It still only makes sense if they get rid of them.

Cablevision owns both the Rangers and the Wolfpack and the funds (in terms of accounting) would then be charged to the Wolfpack who would, in all likelihood, then have a net loss. This would put pressure on the organization through investors to drop Hartford – not a good option. It would also take up two valuable spots on the Hartford roster for players above 250 professional games (I believe the cap is three). This would basically gut the already existing “veteran” leadership in Hartford and probably hurt the development of players down there. The only way this makes sense is if we do something akin to what we did re: Avery with Dallas. Arrange a signing of these guys at half the cost before we send them down, then have them come through waivers and get picked up by the other team. We’d still be paying half of their salaries but it’s better than the full ride and a lot of teams would probably not mind taking these guys on at half their current rate.

by DC Ranger on Jan 31, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First – Cablevision will no longer own MSG or any of its associated properties, probably by the time the current season ends. Link: Cablevision will Spin-Off MSG

Second – the details of the AHL Development rule are explicitly described in the article, including the number of games and the number of ‘veteran players’ limitations. (It’s 260 and 6). As for veteran leadership on Hartford – could you explain to whom you are referring??

Third – I’m not sure how you can figure out that absorbing 1/2 their cap hit (especially Redden’s) over the course of the remaining years of the contracts by having them get picked up on re-entry waivers is better than ZERO cap hit immediately.

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by dbmaven on Jan 31, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As to your first point, I understand but the MSG group will still own both franchises so it’s a moot point.

As to your second point, because both R&R have more than 320 games played, it would reduce the number to 5. You are, however, correct in noting that it probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal for Hartford within the next year.

Your third point: it’s better to take half the cap hit on a probable plan than no cap hit on a plan that is simply not feasible. If the Rangers send R&R down to Hartford, they will frankly get a very bad reputation among players. Whereas now the organization actually has a sterling reputation for treating its players well – perhaps too well, but I think that sending them down to the minors is insulting and incredibly jerky. As you said, it’s not their fault they signed these contracts and, though they are not the greatest players in league, they still have the skills to play in the NHL and would work out very well for other teams at a lower cost. Tom Poti comes to mind as a guy who sucks, but is by no means so bad that he should be in the minors.
Long story short, I’m with you that getting rid of them completely is ideal and that the Rangers have the finances to theoretically do it, but it might be better to think about how to get rid of them to another NHL team with the least cap hit to the Rangers as possible.

by DC Ranger on Jan 31, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since MSG as a separate corporate entity from Cablevision “owns” both HFD and the Rangers – and report a single Balance Sheet, Cash Flow and Assets/Liabilities (they already do as a subsidiary of Cablevision) for all their operations to “investors” – I suggest it is your point that’s “moot”. Especially since the largest shareholder(s) are the Dolans – so whatever they decide is what actually happens. The organization is profitable, and that’s not going to change over $11mm.

As I already said – the AHL development rule is explicitly described in the article – including the 260/320 game limits. You either missed it, or didn’t bother to read it.

There’s a slim chance you could move Rozsival in a trade – because he hasn’t played that horribly over the last 6 weeks or so, because his contract has only 2 years remaining, because the salary is actually lower than the cap hit (4mm/3mm respectively). If it’s not a one-sided deal (us taking crap to get rid of him) I’m all for it.

None of those apply to Redden. At. All.

You term the plan “not feasible” – yet later you say it could be done. What you’re really saying, (and I’m ok with it) is that you don’t like it.

As for “getting a bad reputation among players” – I could give two-thirds of a gnat’s backside – part of the problem with this organization is that it’s a country-club atmosphere.

Toronto is the biggest hockey market in North America, possibly the world. They WILL send bad deals to the minors. Then you’ve got situations like the CAPS, who just “offed” Michael Nylander. And Montreal, who did the same with Laraque.
This type of situation – getting rid of bad contracts however you can so that you can move forward under the cap as an organization – is becoming more and more commonplace.
My recommendation is that, for once, the Rangers get on the leading edge of it – take advantage instead of watching everyone else do it.
If that means doing it the same way as Nylander (which is essentially what I’m saying!) then do it. If Redden, or Rozi if it comes to that, want to go play in Europe, terrific. If the Rangers can get the Euro club to pay the salary – fantastic. If not, and we have to pay it – I’m good with that. If no Euro club wants in – I’m perfectly fine with letting them play out their contracts in HFD.

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by dbmaven on Jan 31, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Laraque was paid $1.5mil this year and Nylander $5.5mil. In Laraque’s case, he remains on the roster and continues to be a salary hit against the cap so that really doesn’t apply to R&R. Nylander (you’re correct to note) is a very similar situation to ours with R&R with one major exception – the Caps are one of the best teams in the conference with a chance to win the Cup. They will make back the money in the first round of the playoffs. We may not even make the playoffs.

I have already noted in my second post that your point about the game limits rule in the AHL was correct and thus not a concern for me.

I disagree with you on Redden’s value. I think if his salary is cut in half by the Rangers taking half of it, at least a few other teams would be willing to go for it.

My distinction of it being “not feasible” and later saying it could be done was clear in the post: it is possible, but not probable. That is, of course the Rangers could do it, but that doesn’t mean that they ever will. For example, it’s possible that all American citizens can become president; that doesn’t make it all probable that you or I will ever achieve that end.

I’d rather have them move on. They don’t seem like they’re contributing to the play of the team, the roster balance, the locker room, the salary cap, or anything. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have some value as hockey players and where there’s value, we should be able to get something in return, like some pick/prospect combination. Paying them to play in Hartford is more than just a slap in the face to the two of them (which, I agree with you they may have earned), it’s a waste if we could free up a half the cap space and get some prospects and/or picks in exchange. If Glen is actually planning to scrap this season and make it a rebuilding year, the best way to do that is to get these guys out for whatever he can. They’re cancerous.

All that having been said, I appreciate the liveliness of your posts and the effort you put in to this. They also have some more financial info (if you really want any more) in Cablevision’s annual and quarterly filings through the SEC.

by DC Ranger on Jan 31, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like

we agree on most of it. Thanks for the discussion !

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by dbmaven on Jan 31, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well-written...

Let’s hope they read it.

by one-bar on Jan 31, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Profitable, or Not?

Much work on this and very good. However, I would like to add the following:

Private companies will not open their books for in depth analysis. We have no way of knowing what expenses have been paid and whether one company’s expenses were assumed by another. This is done for tax purposes and is common across all industries.

Many years ago Calvin Griffith of the Twins used to plead poverty , saying he was losing money. But he had his entire extended family on the payroll. So, were the Twins profitable or not? Makes for great debate.

At the end of the day, good GM’s can get their teams into the playoffs where the money is made. As a long time Rangers fan, I can only dream of the day that Glen Sather rides off into his retirement.

by Twin-G on Feb 1, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just so you know....

it may be more possible than you think, very soon.

The spin-off by Cablevision (Ticker: CVC) of MSG and associated properties is in process. Shareholders of record as of Jan. 25 get shares of MSG.
The current ‘holding place’ ticker is MSGNV – shares begin trading, I believe, on NASDAQ under the ticker ‘MSG’ on February 10.
As a publicly traded corp, more detailed information may be available.

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by dbmaven on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Point

Don’t think they will be completely independent.

Mario Gabelli, a Mutual Fund Manager, has been trying to unleash the value of Cablevision for a long time. However, James Dolan Jr. is a poor manager. And there are two classes of Cablevision stock, which keeps the Dolan family in control. I so hope someone wants to buy MSG so we get rid of this idiot, whose two biggest transactions to date were the purchase of the WIZ and Newsday.

by Twin-G on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well – they’ll be completely independent from a stock/accounting standpoint.
But the Dolan family will still be major shareholders in both companies.

I can see them selling – but not MSG. They’re more likely to sell Cablevision (TWC has lusted after CVC for a long time – and the cable industry is consolidating).

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by dbmaven on Feb 1, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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