NHL News: Dion Phaneuf traded to Toronto Maple Leafs
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 31, 2010 11:58 AM EST
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Well Ranger fans, looks like we can snuff out this pipe dream:
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Two teams in dire need of a shakeup have done just that, as the Calgary Flames have shipped defenceman Dion Phaneuf to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Details of who the Flames get in return is still unknown, but when asked if forwards Matt Stajan and Niklas Hagman were main components in the deal, a source told TSN, "it's bigger than that."
Drafted by the Flames in the 1st round (9th overall) in 2003, Phaneuf has 10 goals and 12 assists with a plus- 3 rating in 55 games this season.
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Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie to Toronto for Hagman, Stajan, Mayers and white.
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by Scent of a Woman on Jan 31, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Another trade coming through in the next 30
I forgot how exciting trades are :x
Probably going to be Giguere to Toronto for Toskala
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by Scent of a Woman on Jan 31, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
But Gig’s got a NTC, and I’m not sure if he’ll want to go anywhere – his son’s got a rare condition and the best treatment facility in the world is in LA.
“Giguere to Toronto for Toskala and Jason Blake. Done!! 14 minutes ago from mobile web " -Dreger tweet.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
i think maybe that it was burke dealing for him, that hiler just got an extension yesterday that might have made him waive the clause.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Christ
good thing we’re rebuilding!
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I feel bad for Dubinsky, in basically any trade rumor that surrounds this team Dubinsky is always in the middle of it. Kind of sucks always being in the middle of trade talks.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jan 31, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that is because he is
a young player with worlds of “potential” that has just held out after 2 years of steady regression. Duby hasn’t done dick since Jagr left. I am getting sick of Duby. I know criticizing him here is like blasphemy, but he sucks. He hasn’t gotten any better since Jagr has been gone. He skates with the puck into the corner/behind the net, never really does anything, never shoots the puck. It is frustrating because you see flashed of what he can be for a week, then he goes 24 games with 6 points. I’m tired of his ass. We have a newer, younger Duby. His name is Anisimov. I liked Duby since he came up with us, but after 2 years of nothing, then after his holdout nonsense this offseason, I say trade his ass, and don’t look back.
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He’s on pace for career highs in G, A and PTS despite missing 13 games.
How exactly is that regression?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa…That’s not hard to top. the kids career High in goals is like 13 and points is like 42 if givin enuff ice tine Blair betts couldve done that…I’m not a dubi hater but he has to find a way to put up points
by klh2009 on Jan 31, 2010 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hank is definitely regressing in shutouts. i say trade.
by #17ToTheRafters on Jan 31, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just stop
Unless by enough ice time you mean “no line changes mode on NHL 2010”
Blair Betts averaged 0.72 pts per 60 last year. Dubi averaged 1.65.
In 07-08 Betts averaged 0.55. Dubi averaged 1.97
This year Betts is having a good season at 1.31. Dubi is at 2.15.
Is 41 pts a monster total? No. Is it a good total for a 21 and 22 year old center? Um yeah. Dubinsky is putting up points. No he’s not a 90 point center yet, but he’s 23 for crying out loud.
Plus the point of the retort is that his totals are not “regressing.” He’s getting better, just not at the time warp speed New Yorkers expect.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I need to agree here
and last I checked his numbers are better than Callahan’s so why aren’t we hopping on his shit?
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
And also
I like Anisimov as much as the next guy….but Dubinsky at 21 years old > Anisimov @ 21.
At least thus far. Maybe AA has a higher ceiling, who knows. But to clamor for a trade of Dubi to make room for a guy who hasn’t been as good yet is kinda funny.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
my thinking is alike .
every ranger fan is making him to be the second coming of graves this kid is only good to be a third line center at best he is not a playmaker he takes stupid penalty,s and will never be a 40 goal scorer if they do trade him i would rather him be in the package then cally ..
Since you mention it
For one, that’s not even the correct comparison. Compare Cally to Graves, they’re a much better comparison, given they were both wingers who are primarily goal scorers. But for the sake of the exercise:
Graves @ age 23: 26-33-59, 139 PIMs in 80 games
Dubinsky’s season, prorated for 80 games: 20-33-53, 57 PIM.
I mean, I love every minute that Graves played for this team, he had the heart of a lion. But look at Adam’s career numbers, save for one or two seasons he was a 50-60 point player who was lethal on the PP.
He was absolutely, no doubt, 100% a more talented goal scorer than Dubinsky, but at minimum Dubinsky should be a 50-60 point player in this league, which makes him at minimum a 2nd line center.
No, he’s not going to score 40 goals, he doesn’t have the finish to be that. Then again, how many 40 goal scorers are even in the league anymore? (only 8 last year, only 10 the year before, and 10 the year before that) This isn’t the 1980’s where teams have 2 and 3 guys who can score 40.
A 25-50-75 season is certainly attainable for this kid. Again, the kid is friggin 23.
You guys crack me up.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
This is great news for us. if giguere plays the way he is capable and same with phaneuf maybe toronto can make a run and pass us in the standings.
other news out there is that Sather is going to step down after the year and Mess is taking over. not real happy if mess is taking over but maybe they will allow him to dump sather’s mistakes and start “fresh”
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions
can only pray right?
Agree on Messier too. Sentimentality is not gonna turn the Rangers around…..
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
but if they allow mess to dump redden in hartford so he has room to build the team his way and blame glen for those contracts it could help.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
of course...
and why stop there?
I’d dump Rozi in there too. Sheeeet….dump Drury in there too! F leadership! His leadership has led the Rangers in the tank!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
sure lets talk about players who cant be moved…ie Drury and a NMC cause it’s fun.
im still hopeful if Burke can move Blake that Sather can move rozi.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
re: Drury...
it was a JOKE you putz….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
either was the condescending tone....
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
ok i will apologize for the tone, but it is not like it is the first time someone has suggested the same joke so i was attempting to cut that “speculation” off before it was everywhere again, so sorry for that.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I get your point...
the putz thing was a joke too…
this internet thing doesn’t allow for snide remarks that aren’t to be taken seriously I guess.
My bone too.
I’ll just share a “FIRE SATHER” and move on.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
if only it were a fire sather and hire outside the org. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
were all friends here
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Remember when I used to talk about how much Drury sucks, what a horrendous contract he has, and you guys would tell me what an idiot I was?
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Well if you said Drury sucks, you deserved it. His contract is quite bad, but saying he as a player sucks is on the wrong side of the idiot line.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhat confirmed
Toskala for Giguere and Blake, no picks.
wow...
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
this is why this team needs a brian burke. these are two great trades.
For the PHANEUF trade, Darren Dreger is reporting that Toronto will send Niklas Hagman, Matt Stajan, Jamal Mayers and Ian White for Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Keith Aulie
That is basically phaneuf for FA’s and, filler and shedding Hagman’s 3 mil next year while also getting Aulie who is another huge 6’ 5" d-man. He got the best player in the deal.
I have heard Giguere and a 1 for Toskala or Giguere for Toskala and Blake. It might be even better with Blake than the pick because now he got someone to eat 2 years of blake and got himself a number 1 goalie.
Add these together and he still has like 13 mil in cap space this summer.
oh and he didnt give up 1 pick or prospect to do it.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
probably not, but point is didnt take any, unlike us who gave up a 3rd rounder for brian boyle.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
this is a spectacular trade for the leafs! i cannot believe they pulled the kessel deal and this in the same year. they might actually be able to make the playoff during the next year or two.
by #17ToTheRafters on Jan 31, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
nah
Phaneuf isn’t playing up to his contract and he is a bombshell waiting to happen in TOR. Also Calgary got younger and mademore room.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Problem with a Brian Burke...
is he’s probably too headstrong for Dolan’s liking.
The only reason he got rid of IT with the Knicks was because he embarassed the organization…with his scandal thing (not the Knicks…at least in Dolan’s mind)
As long as Sather’s ‘squeaky clean’ the only way they get rid of him is if he steps down…like I’m hoping your right on….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
these moves while great are also a definite response to the embarassment of watching a 3-0 lead turn into a 5-3 loss last night to Vancouver on hockey day in canada.
Burke was questioned on this during the press conference… he said no, obviously, but it was really a no-yes.
of course he is going to say no. and if i was him i do these deals regardless of yesterday, but there is a reason he did them this morning.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
J.S Giguere....
is old and his best days are behind him….. 33 yrs old. He has maybe 3 yrs left if hes lucky!!
he is there new number 1 for next year, while either gustavson gets ready or they have 6 mil in a year to get a real number 1.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
who cares they gave up toskala who sucks now, and blake who has 2 years at 4 mil each and only have to pay JS for 1.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not to the trading deadline but I could see Komi going, not necessarily Kabe.
Burke said he’s going to be giving a lot of the AHL kids shots, so if they’re going to have ANY hope of winning any games, they’re going to need an experienced blueline,
well i didnt mean today, but b/w now and free agency (draft or deadline)
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
The real question is: how will this effect my fantasy team? I have Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, and Iginla. I also had Toskala, but I dropped him awhile ago.
it really should impact it much at all. u could pick up giguere if u think he will play well as the number 1 for the rest of the year. might help phaneuf if he plays with kaberle, especially on the pp.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
staying on that topic, do you assume this increases or decreases matt stajan’s value? i mean, is he a real 2nd liner outside of TO? i also have bouwmee, terrible year – fantasy wise.
by #17ToTheRafters on Jan 31, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
anyone think with all this extra cap space for the summer the leafs make a run at kovalchuk? With kovalchuk that is maybe a top 6 team in the east with phaneuf and kessel
overall they didnt really add cap space but convert free agents into salaried players in the phaneuf deal. i dont think they have enough space to sign kovy unless komi or kaberle goes. i think they have approx 13.5 mil after today’s moves for next year if the cap stays, but they only have 6 forwards signed for next year. kadri should be up no question, but not enough room to sign kovy and 4 other forwards for 12.5 mil
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
the roster freeze is feb 12-28. why it is the 12th when they play until 14th not sure.
the trade deadline is 3 days after they come back March 3.
I dont know if this means deals cant be discussed during the roster freeze because it is hard to believe that teams will look much different March 2nd than they do feb 11th.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
there’s no way the Leafs improve after this… they have ZERO scoring, as they just gave up their two top scorers for Phaneuf, and they were already struggling to score goals.
In reality, the ONLY thing they have going for them is size and strength… nothing else.
i certainly doubt that burke is done. he has more pieces he can trade and now he has cap space to take on bad salaries from other teams if it will net him picks/prospects. also unlike dolan toronto will dump crap players in the minors so their salaries wont matter in terms of the cap next year.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
true
i figure Burke HAS to trade some D now, to get some scoring – whether that be picks/prospects for future scoring, or young NHL talent.
But still, they seem like a mess right now… i can’t imagine them turning this season around – looks like full on re-build, but without the 1st round picks!
i’m just hoping he’ll take one of RnR sisters, off our hands – but of course with picks/prospects thrown in.
maybe they wont turn it around this year, but with burke’s track record i will give him the benefit of the doubt until he is proven wrong.
he would have been better having the picks, getting hall or seguin, whoever in the 2nd and next years 1 than kessel imo but he probably didnt figure his goaltending would be this bad this year.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Pipe
Sather is smoking his as he watches these trades happen and does absolutely NOTHING.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jan 31, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions
I’ll apologize in advance: “I’m Sorry”
With that out of the way – how the hell do you know what Sather is doing? He could be sitting on the can smoking (and it wouldn’t be a pipe, it would be a Cuban cigar) – or he could be working out a deal with the Oilers for Souray. Or, more likely, something that is so off the radar as to be completely unexpected (remember Gomez? There was nary a hint of that before it was announced).
The fact that nothing’s actually happened doesn’t mean that nothing is happening. And when something does happen, we’ll probably all be pissed off at how stupid it is.
The BEST thing Sather could do is what you’re complaining about: NOTHING.
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well the best thing he could do is trade higgins, prospal, giradi and kots, but yes the least damage thing is doing nothing.
and yes i intentionally left out redden and rozi cause he would probably either trade for an awful contract or have to give up picks/prospects to get someone to take them. well at least w rozi.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.
I hope Sather is doing nothing. That Souray rumor just won’t die either. Sheldon Souray has 13 points in 37 games and is a -19. We have enough underachievers on the blueline…
Never mind
I missed that Souray got hurt last night. Hopefully, thats the end of that rumor!
i think that is a safe bet considering he broke his hand and wont be back until after the deadline.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Just a joke my friend, just a joke lol
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by Nick Montemagno on Jan 31, 2010 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah let's be glad that Slats hasn't made a move yet
let’s sell, nab some picks, nab some prospects and maybe a young player or two. I would have liked Phaneuf but he is waaay overpaid, like Redden
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is there anything Brian Burke can’t do?
These trades got me pumped for the deadline.
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other great news, well some wont agree, but souray wont be dealt now cause he broke his hand last night. hate to see a guy get hurt but he is hurt a lot and lousy defensively so something we did not need and now wont get.
Good point
I wonder if Slats just got more interested in Exelby?
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or Souray
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by Joe Fortunato on Jan 31, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
one of us is confused cause either ur saying souray breaking his hands makes slats more interested in him or u missed that he broke his hand and wont be back before the deadline.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
dont know if anyone saw this but apparently there was a deal last summer to send Vinny to Mon for Carey Price, Plekanec and a prospect but Bettman blocked it. If he hadnt blocked it then they wouldnt have traded for Gomez and we wouldnt have gabby or mcdonagh.
how can he block it? idk the rules when it comes to that stuff
enlighten me haha
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well i think what it was if u read the article is the two owners didnt both agree so bettman can squash it.
by Michael Gleich on Jan 31, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
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