(UPDATED) Rangers News: TSN reporting Flames, Rangers to announce Jokinen-Kotalik deal
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 1, 2010 12:12 AM EST
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[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 02/01/10 12:10 AM EST the latest update is that the deal isn't official yet, may not go through until morning, we will keep you posted]
From TSN: (click link for full story)
Sources tell TSN the New York Rangers and Calgary Flames are expected to announce a trade tonight that will send Calgary centre Olli Jokinen and forward Brandon Prust to the Rangers in exchange for forwards Ales Kotalik and Christopher Higgins.
Jokinen was originally acquired by Calgary from the Phoenix Coyotes at last year's trade deadline. The 31-year old veteran has 11 goals and 24 assists in 55 games with the Flames this season.
Looks like Higgins "21" jersey won't go unused for long.
From "RangerSmurf": Now if they would just free up the "33" for Prust
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Looks like Higgins 21 jersey won’t go unused for long.
Now if they’d just clear up Prust’s #33
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Amen to that, I am going to update the story with that line
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 31, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
This trade is just flat out awesome. Jokinen is a UFA at the end of the year, so the Rangers dumped Kotalik and the $3 million contract for the next two years. Sather did a salary dump for the future and a team upgrade for this season in the same move.
I believe there is a warrant out for Glen Sather’s arrest, rape is illegal in Canada.
You're correct that it's awesome... until...
Sather re-ups Jokinen for $6.5 mil per for the next 8 years or something dumb like that. I’d like to think that’s not going to happen… but this IS Glen Sather we’re talking about here.
From the HFBoards:
Random Flame Fan – “I haven’t watched many Rangers, but there is no way Kotalik and Higgins could be worse than Jokinen.”
HAHAHAHAA
WOW.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
actually...
they probably will go there and play well. At least I’m fairly sure Higgins will, he was pretty damn good elsewhere.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Latest updates say it’s Kotalik/Higgins for Jokinen/Prust.
Rangers taken on an extra 500k in cap. Small price to pay to get rid of 2 years of Kotalik’s contract.
Hardly a brilliant trade – more like finding a compatible dance partner. Supposedly Sutter wanted Jokinen out. We need a center. They’re probably happy getting Higgins – who’ll fit that system better and may find his game again.
The best part is that Jokinen is a UFA after this season, Prust is an RFA.
And we get someone who’s willing – and capable – of dropping gloves with morons like Carcillo.
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The Rangers addressed two needs while dumping salary in the future. I’m calling this one a big win.
by Dave Shapiro on Jan 31, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
me too
plus if the Rangers wat they can re-up Jokinen for a pretty low penny
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 1, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Problems for problems
Don’t like it, but I guess it could be a whole lot worse. I can’t really Jokinen doing well here. I just see him in la casa de perros.
Correct – that, IMO, is the “big win”.
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I just don't want him to be resigned
and knowing this organization that will happen
by xcdudesquad on Jan 31, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Like antropov?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Willing and very able
Prust is TOUGH.
Cannot WAIT to have that dude in the lineup.
He is going to knock the stuffing out of Carcillo.
Chops, officially licked.
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by irishsuperhero on Jan 31, 2010 11:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like this move if its true…..Olie may be the center we are looking for. At least on the PP with Gabby he should fit in nicely and he’s 31 which if he plays well, perhaps he is re signed on the cheap. crosses fingers
Problem is that Olli is a pure scorer
Not a playmaker, so I’d rather have him on a line with some non-goal scorers that could set him up.
Here’s a youtube clip of Brandon Prust fighting Cam Janssen last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AvvgAN3eo
He lost the fight, but he looked OK.
WOW.
This is a great deal….
I don’t know what Ollie’s problem was in Calgary…but I don’t see how he could be any worse then who’s on the squad (LOL at the Flames fans saying the same thing!!!)
I hope Sather doesn’t follow his normal pattern by following this up with a dumb trade….
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okay good.
besides, we already have lots of defensemen, what we really need is a good 3rd-line center.
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Dubi is easily 2nd line.
If you’re looking for 3rd line, there’s Drury.
roflmao
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Dubinsky is a 3rd line center and drury is a 4th liner. This team doesnt have a 2nd line center. I dont get the facination with Dubinsky. He is a 40 to 50 pt player. Thats it. Boy would Heatley look good right about now.
With Heatley, there’s no Gaborik.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also
40-50 pts is a second liner in today’s NHL.
Here’s the list of 50 pt forwards on your last two cup champs:
Pittsburgh – Crosby (103), Malkin (113)
Detroit – Zetterberg (92), Datsyuk (97)
That’s it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Prust is not Brashear. Prust is a definitive response to the Gabby-Carcillo fight.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
dominated this one…http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/90516
hold the phone!
puck daddy found a report saying it might not happen yet….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily.
Darren Dreger – who broke this first, is saying the hold-up is in CALGARY. What’s not known is the “why”.
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Dreger too:
@DarrenDreger: Trade call is unlikely tonight. Sounds like the Flames are holding this deal up. Working on why.
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maybe they watched some tape
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 1, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Matchsticks and Gasoline is speculating they’re trying to flip Kotalik to Atlanta for Kovy.
I don’t know what to make of that.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
no, the flames
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Calgary.
They’re asuming they cleared Phaneuf’s money to help get Kovy. So they don’t think the Flames will hold on to Kotalik.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
maybe flipping Jokinin for Kovy?
of course with something extra?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
why would atl want olli? especially in a deal for kovy. that makes even less sense than cgy wanting kots
Olli to NYR. Kotalik to ATL along with other parts.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
just to get a big contract that starts to match the salaries
that’s a UFA at the end of the year, so they’re not taking on a dead weight like any of the Rangers others.
I added the something extra cuz of the likely prospects going to ATL.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm probably getting the NBA mixed up here...
does Kovy’s contract and anyone who’s traded for him have to semi be similar?
Or is ATL that far under the cap?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
and wouldn't it be the Rangers problem too???????
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm assuming.
I’m saying the Rangers make their deal with Calgary and send Higgins and Kots there for Ollie and Prust.
Then, for the Rangers sake, they have to send someone like Ollie (who, unlike the other deadweights) comes off the books next year.
Then, of course, prospects
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
**Olli to the Thrashers, from the Rangers
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
figures..
and that makes sense…of course Calgary is gonna hold up the deal if Kovalchuck possibly is involved…i’d think they want him there (instead of KOTALIK….)
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 31, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
of course.
calgary got 4 players from toronto today, a couple of which were thrown in at the last minute. obviously trade bait, along with possibly kotalik?
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dammit...
i knew this was too good to be true
Thing about Prust...
…those guys out West get nasty with those rivalries. Prust’s the kind of guy that thrives on that sort of thing.
Even when he gets his head HANDED to him by Rick Rypien, he comes back brass balls style and drops ’em
again. And again. And finally… wins.
That kinda thing is what this team
needs. He reminds me of a (slightly bigger) George McPhee type – who’d drop his gloves with Dave Brown, broken wrist and all.
I’m telling you… he is going to be a fan favorite. Once he drops Carcillo and/or Hartnett? They’ll give him the key to the city.
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by irishsuperhero on Jan 31, 2010 11:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From Darren Dreggers' Twitter:
Trade call is unlikely tonight. Sounds like the Flames are holding this deal up. Working on why.
nhl.com has it posted like its fact
“Report: Rangers acquire Jokinen from Flames”
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Report: Rangers acquire Jokinen from Flames
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TSN is reporting the New York Rangers and Calgary Flames are expected to soon announce a trade that will send Calgary center Olli Jokinen and forward Brandon Prust to the Rangers in exchange for forwards Ales Kotalik and Christopher Higgins.
Jokinen, 31, has 11 goals and 24 assists in 55 games with the Flames this season.
That’s what they mention when you click on said link… exactly what everyone else has been saying, nothing more, nothing less.
it's just restating what tsn is reporting.
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Jokinen
Can’t wait till the first time Torts flips out on Jokinen for not getting back on the forecheck. I see this how everyone else does mostly. Decent trade to bail Sather out of a really bad contract that he handed out. Jokinen will have a chance to improve our second line play. Like what I’ve heard about Prust. Liked Higgins but you can only keep going with a guy for so long with little to no results when you are supposed to be a scorer. I never questioned his effort though. Good riddance to Alice Kotalik. I hated when you were signed and I’m ecstatic that you are gone without killing the cap the next two years. You play with no heart and couldn’t take responsibility for your own bad play. I know this is beating the same drum as always but I hope this is the first of at least a few consecutive good moves by Sather. I know, but I’m crossing my fingers. Now to find somebody with a bad enough concussion to take Wade Redden. On a side note, good luck to Freddy “Shoes” in Toronto. He was very under-appreciated in his short time in NY.
I loved Shoes when he was here, and was sad to see him go.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 1, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, it's very interesting!
It’s brief. The punctuation is good. The ads aren’t too obstructive. All very useful.
hahahahaha!
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Jokinen played well under Keenan.
If Iron Mike and he can get along, Torts and Olli should play nicely.
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One variation fell through..We’re told NYR originally were set to send D with Kotalik, but Flames apparently made late demand for Higgins.
we already got there. isnt that where we went from kots and gilroy to kots and higgins. doesnt explain the hold up now.
But maybe that's the hiccup.
Rangers wanted to send D (Gilroy?), and Flames wanted Higgins instead. Flames’ version of the story broke while it was being sorted out.
Because the deal wasn’t officially done before the story broke. It couldn’t be done because Higgins was playing, leaving Sather some time to haggle.
By definition, yes. You are correct.
It is after the game, and the Flames are holding it up.
The issue is: We don’t know for how long that the Flames are holding it up. Was it at the last minute? Did it change after the Phaneuf trade? Remember, if the trade was done, they would’ve pulled Higgins out. As long as he was playing, it wasn’t done.
And the thing that gets me: If Brooks & Zipay are right, then the Rangers were OK dealing Gilroy but not so OK when the Flames asked for Higgins. That part boggles my mind.
and if the flame hearsay is right they are asking for more forwards cause they are apparently attempting to flip kotalik, some of their forwards to atl in a kovy deal, but arent making the ranger deal to get kots until they are sure they can flip him, which to me is BS.
Agreed.
This is weirder than a Higgins-or-Gilroy debate. If the Flames are pulling a stunt like that, it reeks of desperation on Calgary’s part. Milbury wouldn’t have tried that when he was running the Isles, for crying out loud.
Then again, perhaps TSN’s Dreger mistook a rumor with legs for a done deal. That would explain it, too.
Everyone is reporting Dreger's tweets.
Brooks and Zipay were filling in blanks, but they’re not declaring this deal done yet. I’m not disputing the sentiment that a trade is close (so close that Dreger ran with it), but it’s just a hot rumor until Olli’s wearing a Blueshirt.
This delay has me nervous. Do you think they’re just ironing out the fine points, or is there actually a chance that Kotalik and Higgins will stay here?
probably trying to throw Redden in there for Iginla
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
the more the merrier...
give em Drury for Bourque and Langkow….
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
if Chris would oblige of course ;)
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
hey zipay wants to pretend he is a reporter on this deal now:
stevezipay
Source: Flames initially wanted D Matt Gilroy in proposed Jokinen deal
he was pretty hard on not believing what yo uhear in internet rumors
lmao
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
alright boys, gotta head to bed, hopefully we’ll have the official word in the morning
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 1, 2010 12:13 AM EST reply actions
I Love Today!
Gabby gets a trick and now we(hopefully) lose 2 of the 5 dead weights and Get Free Agents at years end Joikinen and Prust?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Great day today in the news of hockey.
Please happen please.....
If it does happen then we will most indefinitely get rid of Brash or Voros next …no?
O Canada !!! Vancouver + Edmonton your next lol
Could you imagine
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by Scent of a Woman on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
yes
but EDM would not be happy with Redden
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 1, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
This is getting weird
im going to bed, nothing will be finalized till the morn. if anything happens feel free to post a fanshot, it might make the main page. Goodnight gents
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 1, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Attention Everyone...
Even in the initial report it states:
“Sources indicate that New York is awaiting Calgary’s final sign-off before the trade call is made and the deal becomes official. It’s unlikely any of that will be completed prior to Monday morning.”
No new details are likely to arise soon. I am as anxious as everyone here, I want to know… but we just won’t know for a few more hours. We might as well get some sleep boys, a report won’t be out until Monday morning or afternoon.
Let's Go Rangers!
Update:12:48AM: According to the Incredible Rick Carpiniellio, one of the teams that is on Kotalik’s teams that he needs to accept a trade to, is in fact Calgary.
I am sure the Rangers will make it clear that it is either Calgary or Hartford
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by Scent of a Woman on Feb 1, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I like this and props
Even though these players together will cost mroe we only have them until the end of this year and it will clear up 5.75 mil in cap betwen the 2 of them and props major major major props to rangers smurf for that rosy line that was incredible i loved it i couldnt stop laughnig
No chance on Edmonton, they’re trying to dump what they have. Rozsival’s best destination would be a fringe playoff team looking for defensive help. The nice part about Rozsival’s contract (if there is one) is that he only makes $7m the next two years despite his $5m per cap hit.
Dallas would be an example of a good destination. There were Souray to Dallas rumblings early in Jan…Rozsival could fit a similar role and is actually a slightly cheaper option.
Stealing the trade idea from The Copper & Blue – Niskanen and Wandell would be a nice take for Rozsival.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
The Morning Twitter Wire
is indicating that this deal’s been scrapped.
Not dead – more like “back to the drawing board”. Whether it’s due to Calgary having second thoughts, or Kotalik not approving the move, we may never know.
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Sathers' Ratio !!!!
While I like this deal, if it happens, and would have gladly taken a Zamboni driver for these two, let’s not forget about Sathers track record. For every good move he makes he screws up 5 !!!!!!!!! This one good move comes as the direct result of 2 bad moves! We are still stuck with Redden, Roszival, and Brashear!! Until they are gone, Sathers ledger sheet is still in the negative!!
Per TSN: Deal is in "Holding Pattern"
Just repeating things, but here’s the latest post:
They claim it’s waiting for Calgary; someone here needs to pull the trigger. Throw in Brashear and an oil-change for Calgary’s Zamboni…
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 1, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions
FROM BOB MCKENZIES TWITTER...
Jokinen/Prust for Higgins/Kotalik not expected to happen today and may not happen at all tho still possible this deal is done after game.
dont know what will actually happen, but....
where they really going to do what espn was reporting.
_"Ales Kotalik and Ryan Callahan will likely be traded to the Calgary Flames Olli Jokinen and Brandon Prust, TSN reports. The trade would’ve been complete sooner, but it appears it stalled when the Flames made their Dion Phaneuf deal yesterday.
Previously, the Flames-Rangers deal involved Matt Gilroy, too, the New York Post reports."_
dont like it so much with callahan involved or gilroy for that matter. i am looking forward to watching both of them play for a long while.
espn rumors
that is what they said. and also the following
“The New York Rangers might be open to trading Matt Gilroy, especially after the drama yesterday when he was almost sent to Calgary as part of the imminent Olli Jokinen deal.
He was replaced by Ryan Callahan in that deal, but the Rangers will gain a lot of cap room for next season in the deal that will happen today. That might mean they are eying another trade, possibly for a scorer. Gilroy, 24, has played well in his rookie year but Rangers GM Glen Sather might be desperate to shake up this disappointing team."
Pump the brakes Sather.
This better be a typo/rumor.
Can you double check your source.
The trade rumor has been Kotalik and Higgins all along. This has been the first I’ve heard of including Callahan.
Yeah, that reads like ESPN fail.
Everywhere else has Higgins mentioned. Hell, the headline about it on ESPN even says Higgins.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
See?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4875931
That’s the main piece on ESPN, right now at least.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
espn is bullshit
they have no clue what they’re talking about.
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Yeah umm..
Fuck no to Callahan in that deal.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
If Callahan Goes- So Do I
I’m cautiously optimistic that ESPN was just spitballing here. However, if Callahan gets traded for anything less than a true captain for this team, I’m moving to Calgary to grow hockey pucks…
It would mark up there with trading Leetch, Graves, or Gartner…I know its business but you don’t trade the heart and soul of a team just to make a short-term run.
Although it wouldn’t surprise me to see Sather’s pride hurt if the Flames tried to walk away, and now he’s just offering anything he can to close the deal.
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
See the 4th comment down from yours truly
On the “Who Could be drawing interest from Calgary” FanPost….
“If the Rangers are looking for more scoring let’s just hope Sather doesn’t mortgage the future for an aging Jokinen or Langkow. Neither player satisfies their need for a true #1 center, and neither is worth parting with a Callahan or Dubinsky.”
I hope to God this Callahan rumor is just that, a rumor, and nothing more.
Jokinen?
If we give up Kotalik and Higgins, not a bad deal for us. Ales is a three year healthy scratch and Higgins has no hands. He works hard, but cant finish. I’d prefer draft choices if possible; we are going nowhere fast with this team.
Why are you repeat posting a link
that links to this article on Blueshirt Banter?
And if you’re trying to link to ‘insider.espn.go.com’ – you do realize that most people here don’t subscribe, just like they won’t subscribe to that “buzz about hockey” place – because it’s a waste of $$$ for stuff that you can get for free from Bruce “Malkin to the Kings” Garrioch up in Toronto…..
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What’s awesome is that within the ESPN rumor is a link to the TSN site that has the information correct.
Most of ESPN rumors are just links to other sources. They rarely, if ever, break something themselves.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
So, you’re saying that they can’t even plagiarize successfully?
:-D rofl
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Not as good a fail as them failing to plagerize themselves correctly.
Early in the Phaneuf is on the block rumors, they ‘reported’ that the Devs and Isles were interested. As his name kept coming up, they kept saying the Rangers were the interested ones, and linked to their own rumor that never mentioned the Rangers.
I happen to like my insider subscription, but not for the NHL.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I got mine as a throw-in to getting the mag which I like to look at in the bowl because of all the pretty pictures.
by christopherm on Feb 1, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I did the reverse, I have the magazine cause I got the insider subscription. I don’t keep it, I have it sent to my parents, who then give it to the neighbor.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
On Jokinen
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/30/1284128/oill-jokinen-performing-as-expected#comments
Interesting stuff for us stat nerds. Also interesting comments added from the guys at Matchsticks and Gasoline in response.
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didnt realize it came back to this link…
and my buddy subscribes and told me about it so i figured i would pass it along… no need to get angry at me buddy…
Another update
This time from Matchsticks & Gasoline:
Sources tell TSN that while the Rangers thought they had the deal basically agreed to on Sunday night, the Flames weren’t ready to pull the trigger, in part, because they felt they needed Jokinen in the lineup tonight against Philadelphia in Calgary.
http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2010/2/1/1287049/sources-tell-tsn-that-while-the#comments
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I hope they figure this out
Jokinen is overpaid and underachieving, but is a clear upgrade over Higgins and Kotalik. Prust is a tough guy and would allow us to continue scratching Brashear and Voros every night.
I’m guessing Torts would move Prospal back to the wing to play with Gaborik and Jokinen, then stick Christensen somewhere in the middle six, maybe with Anisimov and Lisin.
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lol!
One man’s garbage is another man’s gold.
All these guys could succeed in their new homes. I can’t really say for certain on Jokinen…cuz if you can’t score somewhere else…its gonna be real tough to change that with the Rangers.
Higgins was good before he came to NY. Kotalik was what he was…he’ll probably succeed there too.
The best think about Olli, like you say, is regardless of what he’s done this year, he’s still arguably the best center on the Rangers if this deal does fall.
At the very least, the Rangers acquired a contract that goes away next year or one that they can parlay into something (hopefully prospects…given Sather’s bad after good trades…something horrific)
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
This smells like....
Someone is clearing cap space so he can send Dubinsky Rozsival and a few 1st rounders for Kovy!! The fact that Sather was so willing to trade Callahan or Gilroy with Kotalik looks like he wants to clean up his mess and have two legit scorers in Gaborik and Kovy for Messier to start fresh next year.
Please see the link provided by KingHenrik above.
Carpiniello (who I trust more than any of the other beat writers) stood by his story from last night saying it was Kotalik holding things up. Brooksie is now on that bandwagon. And it makes sense.
Callahan was never involved – and maybe Calgary initially wanted Gilroy but changed their mind when Sather laughed at them.
Now – I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Slats go after Kovy in the off-season – but right now it’s positioning (cap space clearing) and not much else….
BlueshirtBanter - beating up reporters at bus stops since 1994
Er...
If the trade goes through…they’re shipping off 5.25m and getting back 5.75m. They’ll have less cap room this year.
Now, Jokinen’s deal expires so they’ll have more cap room in the offseason, but not enough to sign Kovalchuk and Staal.
I maintain there’s about a 2% chance Kovalchuk is a Ranger at any point in the near future.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
yes that 3 mil just makes it possible for him to re-sign Staal without dumping Rozi or Redden in hartford for all of you who just think that Sather is going to wake up the 1st day after the year and decide he was wrong and they need to go.
so lets stop holding out the candle that he will dump both and then put us back in cap hell by giving kovy 10 mil a year
My ‘cap space clearing’ statement was in the form of Jokinen’s expiring contract, as opposed to 2 more years @ 3mm per for Kotalik.
BlueshirtBanter - beating up reporters at bus stops since 1994
Yeah I know
My response wasn’t to you. It’s definitely a cap clearing move, but not for a Kovalchuk trade this year.
Also, it’s putting me on life tilt that the “Dubinsky is a 3rd liner, trade him” brigade is gaining steam. So I’ll pretty much respond to anything at this point that says as much.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
The main question I have is
WHY THE F**K DOES KOTALIK EVEN HAVE A NTC??
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by Scent of a Woman on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions
cause sather is a moron and the omar minaya of free agency in hockey. it is a limited one; apparently 3 teams and since sather cant read either he of course deals to one of the 3 on the list.
Truly...
what all of this means is that Sather is going to be a buyer again at the trade dealine and not see what he needas to really do for this team…
I really hope the rumor of Slats stepping down for Messier to take over next season is true and I really wish Slats doesnt give away what pieces Messier needs to bring the cup back to MSG
eh i dont really consider the calgary deal “buying”. it is a move to attempt to make the playoffs and should make them better than they were and probably cost a top 5 pick, but if that is it in terms of adds im fine w it cause as currently rumored kots and higgins it is actually a bonus long term cap wise without picks prospects. if the deal changes my opinion of it will almost certainly as well. it also signals a probable missed opportunity to sell high on prospal which hurts long term because of lost potential picks but souray getting hurt makes me feel a lot better since he wont be a mistake coming here.
If Souray had takers…Rozie should too.
At least that’s what I keep telling myself.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nah…there were more rumors for Souray than just Sather being over zealous.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
He has almost moved Kotalik to a team that Kotalik has a NTC for.
He moved Gomez and got Montreal’s best prospect.
Anything is possible in the trade market.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well
He waived his NTC for some teams in the west like LA and PHX, though.
Colorado and Liles was an option that was proposed by a beat writer but don’t think there was anything behind it.
The best rumor I saw was Dallas.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
i saw the liles rumor which is even worse than rozi deal cause it has an extra year. i saw spec on philly, was, nj but none of them have cap space and sather probably wouldnt trade w them anyway.
la has to be focused on kovy first is my guess, though they would have the cap space to take on rozi, and would need a d-man if jack johnson was included in a kovy deal.
i would take o’donnell or randy jones expirings in a heartbeat. even better we are in la tomorrow so we can just drop him off.
i didnt see the dallas rumor as to what edm would get. i said in preseason that was a place for rozi to go cause of needing to replace zubov. im sure dallas is sad that toronto traded for js yesterday, sure they would have love to dump turco there.
Dallas was the only one confirmed to have interest that I saw. Speculation was that Niskanen was being shopped, and that the addition of Souray could be a reason to shop him.
Yeah, I’m grasping at straws a little bit, but to me, they represent similar commodities, veteran defenseman, big shot (Souray’s obv bigger), with obscene contracts.
If one could drum up interest, logic dictates the other could.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
i would love to get niskanen for him as he would be a cheaper alternative to bringing back girardi, has plenty of nhl experience and good offensive potential.
as far as souray/rozi, i might be in the minority but i think rozi is a better overall player than souray with cheaper salaries (4,3) than souray. as strange as it may sound to those of us who have to watch rozi so much he is better defensively than souray, more durable. all souray has is the big shot.
An ‘internet source’ (not Mr E5, or ‘Malkin to the Kings’) suggests the following:
The Rangers were very close to acquiring Sheldon Souray from Edmonton for Ales Kotalik, Chris Higgins, and a member of the Woflpack (believed to be Corey Potter). However, after Souray broke his hand the other night the Rangers told the Oilers the deal is done.
Presuming that the Jokinen deal goes through, that’s MUCH better than this Sourary deal…..
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LOL
So basically Sather is Andy Dufresne.
Crawled through a river of shit and thanks to Iginla has almost come out clean on the other side.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 1, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
for those of us who want this team to “fall” this season this should make you feel better. according to dirk hoag’s (nashville’s blog) the rangers have the 10th toughest schedule left this year and the toughest of anyone in the East.
http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/2/1/1287143/strength-of-schedule-could-make-or
From Andrew Gross at Ranger Rants:
"Haven’t heard back from Ales Kotalik’s agent, Larry Kelly, but it’s becoming clear that one of the hold-ups to this deal, if not the main one, is Kotalik taking his time weighing his options as he has a limited no-trade clause in his three-year, $9 million deal.
Frankly, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher. If the Flames, who have been scouting the Rangers for a couple of weeks, wanted Kotalik despite his lengthy stint as a Rangers’ healthy scratch (eight out of nine after last night), why he wouldn’t want to go to a team where he’d see more playing time is a bit strange. Devil’s advocate, though, Kotalik is well within his right to exercise his contract terms, just as Dany Heatley was when he decided he didn’t want to play for the Oilers. It worked out for Heatley. Maybe Kotalik has a preferred destination but, obviously, any comparisons between Heatley and Kotalik are silly, especially considering how far Kotalik has fallen out of favor with coach John Tortorella. Kotalik’s confidence, by his own admission, is shot. From my perspective, this is not a situation that will ever resolve itself for Kotalik in New York, at least not as long as Tortorella is coaching."
just like it is within the rangers rights to leave his ass on the bench the rest of the year and leave him in hartford for 2 years and basically ending his nhl career.
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