Should Avery Be Suspended?
This post is in response to Joe's statements in the game recap, and I've made it a separate thread because I feel the subject deserves to be debated aside from the game itself. I realize I'm in the minority on this issue, but I'm still interested in hearing what you guys think. The following was Joe's statement, regarding Sean Avery's slashes on Komisarek tonight, in the recap.:
His slash on Komisarek after the whistle, however, was a blatant cheap shot; and the NHL will probably give him a suspension. I completely endorse this, I normally have Avery's back for his antics but this crossed the line. There was no need for it, it gave the Maple Leafs a potentially deadly power play opportunity and put the Rangers in a bad spot.
Personally, I feel Avery's slash on Komisarek was NOT a cheap shot. A cheap shot is when a guy is being held down on the ice by referees and Ilya Kovalchuk sees fit to get a few potshots shots in. Komisarek was capable of defending himself, but instead he chose to take a dive. Avery was CLEARLY trying to get under his skin without any causing serious damage.
Avery slashed at his ANKLES for Christ's sake! It's not like he was trying to injure the guy. More importantly, it worked AND he rallied the team. Avery proceeded to get an assist on Brian Boyle's goal, and Komisarek took a terrible penalty when he retaliated, which made Avery's penalty a wash.
Will he be suspended? Most likely. He's Sean Avery. Does he deserve to be? No.
I understand his slash came after the play was dead, but Armstrong's hit from behind on Gaborik was far worse. Only one of these plays was capable of and did in fact cause a serious injury.
The NHL is in the process of increasing the severity of punishments for certain infractions, but we have already witnessed unequal enforcement. Wisniewski's lewd gesture was nowhere near as bad or as dangerous as Hjalmarsson's hit on Pominville, yet both received the same suspension. Until a suspension policy is thoroughly clarified and applied equally across the board, suspensions will continue to be a joke.
Avery doesn't deserve a suspension, and anything more than a one game suspension is a clear indication that suspensions are being applied on a player-by-player basis, rather than a case-by-case basis, which is unacceptable.
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I kind of agree. I watched the play and was on the live game thread and guys went nuts. After seeing it in slow mo, I think Avery’s intention was to get K to drop the gloves. He did whack at his ankles, I’m not sure that consitutes and attempt to injure and despite going down, K was back quickly and took the retailitory penalty. Losing Gabby and Dru and with Prospal being out, we may have a Lou Lamarello situation by only having 15 players to dress…..(sarcasm, I take shots at the Dev’s whenever I can) I guess MZA and Grach are coming up? What I really noticed last night was that rozival could be a point scorer if he could only hit the damn net……how many shots did he send wide? Eminger seemed like our best defensiman and thats not saying much, he was a spectator. Why is he playing and McD/Tank not? And where was Sauer? Did he dress? I called for the Rangers to tank 65 games into last season……3 games in…..I say we secure a top 3 pick, play the kids and regroup for 2011/2012. It was hard to watch last night. I know we came back but on Boyles back.
Slashing someone’s ankles after the whistle twice, on purpose, should be a mandatory suspension. Two games is probably fair.
This should apply to all players, though. Avery does get the short end on these things, but he really is an ass for doing this.
I agree with that…
but then Crosby should be suspended for it too. I’ve seen him do something similar several times, and of course, it has gone unpunished.
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he can do no wrong in the eyes of the league’s head people. It’s disgraceful. If crosby ever were to get suspended, it would ruin him as the “image of the nhl” and all that other stuff. It’s said that the image for the nhl is a whiny crybaby. Not to mention, Cooke, one of, if not the biggest cheap shot artist in the nhl gets away with concussion hits and more with little to no suspension time, while avery gets suspended if he says the wrong words in an interview or wiz gets suspended for making a mocking gesture on the ice. This league has their priorities messed up.
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I love Avery, but one of the reasons for that is he doesn’t actually take cheap shots (despite public perception). This was a cheap shot, and while not terribly egregious, in that it was unlikely to cause an injury, it’s still worthy of a suspension. We’d be calling for the head of anyone who did that to a Ranger.
by yellomellojello on Oct 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't be a suspension,
probably a 4min minor, no more. It actually looked like Komisarek was acting on the second slash. I’ve seen much worse things in the nhl go by with no call though. If the nhl doesn’t want to miss penalties and calls, they should just hire another ref or 2 for each game. It’s not like they can’t afford it.
Go isles or Go home.
He's WAS acting
Notice he looked up a few times to make sure the refs were paying attention to him; that’s a classic footballer crocodile tears tactic. Looks like Komi’s been watching some games recently.
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by Scratch and Snif on Oct 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery Gets No Punishment
via Darren Dreger’s twitter:
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Two-handers below the waste are acceptable, so Avery dodges discipline. Big break for the Rangers, he’s been one of their best this season.
I’m actually surprised considering it’s Sean. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Avery gets his minutes cut a bit in the next game.
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One thing left as is they were not both at his ankles and they were not both while Komisarek was even looking at him. The first chop was to the back of his legs and the second was after he and Komi jawed some more and then he went for the ankles. Personally i think it is a joke to say because it was to his lower body it isnt suspendable. The Rangers catch a break and instead of being punished Avery gets away with it and learns nothing. That is how people get hurt, because you cannot tell me there was no intent to injure on those chops.
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by Michael Gleich on Oct 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like it’s a non-issue now, but Larry Brooks and Bob McKenzie had a good back-and-forth on the issue:
BM:
Many asking about Avery’s double stick chop on Komisarek: Not suspendable. Cammalleri’s bigger crime was stick in facial area of Nino.
Listen, whacking a guy on back of legs is as old as the game itself. Now if you pole axe and injure, sure, suspend. But otherwise, penalty.
In Avery’s case, should have given him a double minor, one for each chop. A four-minute PP, that’s how you get that crap out of the game.
LB:
@TSNBobMcKenzie Should have been a double minor…maybe even 5 for slashing…
BM:
@NYP_Brooksie Agreed. A double minor or a major is the proper “deterrent.” In-game penalties better than suspensions because team feels it.
LB:
@TSNBobMcKenzie Could not agree more. Problem is that refs are hesitant to call majors, putting team down a man for 5, so its left to Colie
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Stick in the facial area.
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by Scratch and Snif on Oct 16, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What Aves Did . . .
. . . was dirty and even vicious. I love what he brings to the Rangers, but his slashes on Komisarek were waaaay over the line. And an embarrassment to professional hockey. (Too much like “professional” wrestling.) I will be surprised if he gets no suspension.
And I don’t know how much acting Komisarek was doing. Those things hurt! Ever happened to you? If not, try coming home at like 3 a.m. with liquor on your breath and perfume on your collar and see if your wife or GF doesn’t take your stick — your own stick! — and lets you have it. It’s right up there with a skillet to your head and a boot to your crotch. Enough to make you keep your sticks in storage someplace, as I do.
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I can’t stand anybody who justifies what he did in any way imaginable. It was after the play, and Komisarek had done NOTHING to provoke not 1, but 2 healthy chops at his legs. I don’t care if Komi acted it up or not. I really don’t care where he whacked him either. If you allow people to chop others in the legs, where do you draw the line? Knees are ok, ankles aren’t, wrists aren’t, hips are ok?
No. It’s that same stupidity that the NHL has cornered themselves with regarding player safety.
In the almost 20 years I’ve been watching hockey, the league has continued to punish the injury and not the crime. It’s why players continue to run guys from behind, or go after their knees, or take 2-handed logging chops (I see Crosby do this to people’s wrists practically every shift-should be penalized).
Sorry I veered away from Avery’s incident. But it’s going to take a player breaking his neck from going headfirst into the boards from a hit from behind or nerve damage from a slash before the NHL gets serious.
I dont think it was dirty
It was weak chopping to get under his skin
it worked
it wasnt awfully dirty like Ive seen in the NHL recently
by Archie Barberio on Oct 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
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thats your opinion dude
but the 2nd was hard but that aint like checking him from behind and giving the guy a concussion
that was weak sauce, Komisarek wasnt hurt
seriously it was Avery crossing the line but it was weak
by Archie Barberio on Oct 17, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery will not be suspended
NHL on The Fly just reported that Sean Avery will not earn a suspension. So he is safe for now.
by NYR #35 Richter on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
But...
Why did nobody mention that Avery was slashed first? He took one, then gave one back. So the whole ‘double-minor; one for each slash’ thing is just stupid, because Komisarek would have to go off then too, which was clearly never a thought in the official’s mind. Why didn’t the linesman point out that Avery took one to the leg first? Oh right, it’s Avery. We just point out what HE does, nobody else.
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Oct 17, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
I agree, but sadly this is the type of league where the refs say. “HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Let’s see if the guy returns the favor & if he does, I’ll bang him for the 2 minute minor and not the first one. But if both go after each other, then both will go.”
by NYR #35 Richter on Oct 17, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
kinda my feeling
Avery is getting fed up with taking cheap shots every night and getting hardly any calls
he bugged out went over the line yeah but I cant blame him
by Archie Barberio on Oct 17, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery should have been suspended hands down, he tried to injure Komisarek and a whack to the ankles is the way to do it.
by CrazyRangerFan on Oct 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
I think Avery was trying to bring him to the box with him. Kong is a force on there power play if he could have got him to retaliate or fight. Avery isn’t a. Avery isn’t a penalty killing Guy but if he can remove one of there powerplay guys he is doing his job. It back fired on him this time
Komisarek doesn’t play on the PP.
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Avery slashed at his ANKLES for Christ’s sake! It’s not like he was trying to injure the guy.
This is actually hilarious. The only intent in Avery’s baseball swings was to injure. The fact that you think that swinging at a guy’s ankle is not an attempt to injure is laughable. Wonder what you’d think if Jarkko Ruutu took a swing at Staal or Gaborik’s ankle.
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Well my point is pretty simple
I’m fine with the pushing, the aggravating and the borderline dirty stuff. But I’m not such a homer that my boys “can’t do any wrong.” In my eyes Avery crossed the line. Sure Komisarek embellished it a little, but still there was no need for it at all from Avery.
I’d like to think I’m fair when it comes to this stuff. However the Flames SBN fans called me “bias” when I said that Glencross deserved more than a game for his hit on Drury. I’m sure this point of mine will go unnoticed.
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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 17, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Erm I should explain "borderline dirty"
as in pushing after the whistle, the chirping and having no problem going after a goalie. Not intents to injure.
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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 17, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery wanted a fight. Regardless of how inappropriately he went about it, those slashes, while they hurt like a mother (I’ve taken my fair share.), were not going to cause anything more than bruising. I can understand your outrage as a Toronto fan, but try to be objective. No one likes it when it happens to a player on their team, but it happens. This is hockey.
I agree that what Avery did was excessive, but it wasn’t a suspendable offense.
by PowerForward on Oct 18, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Arguing whether it should be a suspendable offense is a different matter entirely, but maybe that’s what you were going for, Joe?
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