Rangers News and Notes: Torts not happy with roster, Biron to start tonight
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
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In the Daily News this morning, Jesse Spector talks about how John Tortorella and Glen Sather may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the Rangers current roster:
We talked about this last year, remember when Tortorella commented on the Rangers backup goaltending situation as a "mess"? It sounded like a thinly veiled message to the front office that they dropped the puck on that one. If there is a disconnect between the coach and the GM here, this could get messy. Unfortunately, if the two butt heads in a power struggle, I think you know who will be lighting the victory cigar. That sound you heard was me dropping a big hint.
Also, Martin Biron will make his Ranger debut this evening in Toronto. With back to back games this weekend, that means Biron will either play again this weekend, or Hank will go both nights, which to me would be an odd decision for a guy coming back from a knee injury, and who for my money still doesn't look completely recovered from it.
Also in the Biron link, Jesse talks about possible fireworks tonight between Derek Boogaard and Colton Orr.
Rangers will wear their home blues tonight in Toronto, they have yet to win a game in them.
From Ranger Rants, Steve Eminger out, Michael Sauer in:
Other than Marty Biron, the other lineup switch is that Mike Sauer will be in for Steve Eminger (his first healthy scratch of the season). Matt Gilroy will be paired with Sauer and play on the left side, his off side.
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Sauer for Eminger is a plus
Curious to see how Gliroy does on the left side.
And to think I was so optimistic about this season 2 weeks ago…sighhhhhh
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one day you will learn not to get too high on this team, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Oct 21, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure you said that last year too, ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Oct 21, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I am kind of sick and tired of Torts and his subtle or not so subtle complaints about the roster as if he is building in an excuse for lack of results. His job is to coach what he has and there are teams with less talent than us that are getting better results, so let Torts focus on his job and let Sather screw up from the GM box all on his own. Torts knew what he was signing up for and if he doesnt like it, he can always leave.
Speaking of excuses
As I mentioned in NTB’s fan shot…why couldn’t Tortorella just come out and say “I’m rotating the bottom 3 d-guys until I find a combination I like.” Clearly that’s what he’s doing, and it’s better than the “make s%*# up” excuses about why the guys were in the lineup on a given day.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been saying for a year, the cynic in me wonders if this is all part of some plot on his part to just be able to say “Hey look what I had to work with, I asked for help and didn’t get it”
Or he could use the Parcells line about shopping for the groceries and cooking the food
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 21, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
well he need to Sh*t or get off the pot already.
by Michael Gleich on Oct 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
torts got his 30 million dollar wish for redden to be sent to the minors – sather isnt giving him anymore input than that
by John Merrigan on Oct 21, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think so. might be more about not calling up reinforcements or letting Torts keep one of the young D that didnt have to go through waivers
by Michael Gleich on Oct 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t really see the point in getting worked up over those two. We’re not exactly talking about Nigel Dawes and Petr Prucha here.
I went there
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 21, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s more of the LD/RD issue…gun to his head I’m sure Tortorella would’ve rather keep one of those two. Over whom would be the question.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 21, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
should i respond, no we are talking about guys who might actually stay on an nhl roster? guess i went there too, ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Oct 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hearing people complain about the coach gets real old
The players have no repsonsibility? At a professional level, if a player needs the coach to get him motivated, he has no place in professional sports.
4 games in, the end of the world? Maybe the Devils should fire their coach? they are off to a worse start with more talent.
I like Torts. I like his attitude. I like to see a coach get pissed when his team underperforms. (I guess thats why I like Coughlin too). he has won a cup, how many current coaches can claim that? And if you feel he was handed a can’t lose squad in Tampa, I guess Torre was a crap manager for the Yankees too, considering all the talent he had year in.
Instead of complaining about everything, you would be better served in life to find something positive to grow on. The Rangers lost their games because they were out-played, not out-coached.
by GAThingy on Oct 21, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for the great post GAThingy.
Sometimes I feel as though this site generates a lot of the negativity people write about. Look at some of the titles of their articles. “sounding the general alarm” “can’t watch party”.
Staying positive.
by NewburghHockey on Oct 21, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you hung around here more, you would understand that almost 100% of that stuff is tongue in cheek/sarcasm
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 21, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean seriously, do you think I would have nothing better to do with my time than run a Rangers website and radio show if it was just to breed negativity?
I’m the one who was leading the charge that I wanted this team in the playoffs when almost everyone wanted them to go down the shitter for a better draft pick.
I challenge you to a duel sir, specimen bottles at 20 paces
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 21, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I do hang out on this site a lot, almost to the extent of being career limiting. Regardless, please note how I said “sometimes.”
Let’s be honest Jim, the moment we lost Gabby people started shitting themselves like Chef did when South Park Killed him.
As far as your duel I accept your challange. However, you need to tell me what we are going to do with our specimen bottles. You’re not suggesting golden showers are you? I don’t do that anymore, I got this nasty ear infection…
;)
by NewburghHockey on Oct 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!
Actually, that is an old Hawkeye line from M*A*S*H
And yes, lots of people soiling themselves, which is the basis for all the sarcasm (like the tagline on the site "The season is over…..I read it on Facebook)
I’m with the Rangers from the Penthouse to the Outhouse, and always hopeful.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 22, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny how Torts always plays things off as everybody’s fault but his. One thing is certain, he has absolutely sucked as a coach since he was brought on to replace Renney. When the team doesn’t perform above a certain level consistently for this long of a time, the problem isnt the players, it’s the coach. PERIOD. mleetch352 is spot on…there are teams with far less talent that play better hockey and play it consistently. That is good coaching. What we have is not. IF Torts is complaining about having to play White and/or Eminger over the younger guys that have been sent down, I agree with him. THAT is on our illustrious has-been GM. Can’t blame the scouting dept.- they have done a fantastic job building up the prospects in the system. Player have to play, so they deserve some of the blame, but let’s face it, beyond Gaborik, everybody is a 2nd or 3rd line player, even Frolov, at best. And there is not a true top blueliner on the squad. So there is plenty of blame to go around, but at some point it has to rest onteh coaches shoulders, and Torts has passed the buck from day one. FIRE TORTS!
That article is just about a theory, how do we know they are actually butting heads vs. " have nothing to write about"?
by Massi on Oct 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
All he said was " we’ll reassess," and then nothing happened. This doesn’t mean their is a " controversy"
by Massi on Oct 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not the coach's fault
As with all organizations, the problems start at the top. The team can be successful with a incompetent CEO, whose only apparent qualifications are that he completed rehab and is the son of the controlling shareholder. Torts is right. He can’t win with the players he has been given. In my 40+ years as a fan, this is the worst I ever felt about the team and its prospects for the season. While I’m not a fan of rushing young players, playing them has to be better than a roster of NHL rejects (e.g., White, Christensen, Eminger, Fedetenko) It’s not that I think these players are awful, they’re fine but none of them will be on the roster when (and if) this team is truly competitive. Sather has been a disaster and Dolan is too out of it to notice or care.
Hope I’m wrong.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Oct 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
my outlook for the game just got like x100 times better...
as soon as i read eminger being out.
by Master Ov Brutality on Oct 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
I have to say I was drinking the kool-aid when torts first came on the scene but i like him less and less as time goes on.
‘safe is death’ sounded cool at first but really isnt any kind of a gameplan for a winning club. he has had a rough array of injuries, and we knew our young inexperienced D was going to have to take its lumps, but there is still talent on this roster and we should be able to hold our heads above water while waiting for the cavalry(Gabby) to return. he wants to talk about accountability, well he’s the coach and takes the blame for the bad if he is going to accept all the accolades when things are going good. just the nature of the beast
its still early so lets not walk to the ledge just yet. and for you people that want some positive, dubs-AA-cally looks like a force and hopefully here to stay
Torts and Goalies
Anyone else think this guy just does things willy-nilly with the goalies? Last year, back-to-back games in Tampa than Pittsburgh, and with Hank due for a rest, he plays the relatively meaningless game in Tampa and than has to come on in relief when Vali gets carpet-bombed in the more significant division game.
Now tonite, with back-to-back games on the weekend, we get Biron tonite. As you said, its an incredibly odd move. Of course if Hank is hurt or under the weather, this move makes sense then. But I still think Torts isn’t the best handler of goalies.
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