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Rangers News: Rangers Waive Tim Kennedy and Todd White

Thanks to George on this, I just wanted to move it to a story for commenting purposes.

From Bob McKenzie on Twitter

The answer to the forwards question has been answered today.  This likely means Chris Drury will be ready sooner rather than later.  Who will be 13th forward when Drury returns still remains a mystery, for now.

[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 10/05/10 1:08 PM EDT Since we are all speculating on what this deal means, I have added a poll about Souray]

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Do you want Sheldon Souray on the Rangers?
Yes
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No
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mleetch I deleted your fan post since we put it up here. I want to make a better effort of making sure we all aren’t commenting in three different places on the same story.

Thanks for posting it though.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

your the boss

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Letting Kennedy go for that price is stupid!!

by Roc1193 on Oct 5, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to ask all the fans who told me that White would be an impact player on this roster where they are and how they’re feelin right now. After the trade w/ ATL I said it was a clear salary dump move for both teams and White would not impact this team at all. Being right is fun.

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this your first time?

by KingHenrik on Oct 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got “Kinged”

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No its not.

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what she said

yes I did. I did go there.

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by Scratch and Snif on Oct 5, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao +1

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by Moshe52792 on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda sucks to see Kennedy go. Good young player. Feel bad for him, too. First he gets bought out by Buffalo, then waived by Rangers after a strong camp performance.

by MattPwrcf1 on Oct 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

On the upside for him

The checks from the Rangers and Sabres still cleared, so he’ll be a rich AHL’er, and that seems to be mostly what Kennedy was concerned with.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an interesting opinion, but from being his close friend I can tell you that that is the last thing he is concerned with. He was advised to go to arbitration and if it was open to him he would still be in his hometown with his fiance, friends and family.

by Jessica C on Oct 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Jessica...

this is a reminder to keep our discourse civil and respectful of who these people are as human beings.

People can get real cocky when they’re talking on the internet.

I was personally hoping to see him make the team because I enjoyed watching him skate last year and during the pre-season. He’s a good hockey player with a future in the NHL, for sure.

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by voice22 on Oct 5, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think that I my comments lacked civility or respect

Hockey is a business, so much so that the players and owners need a constantly changing CBA to keep all the employees happy. The Sabres made it clear that they didn’t want to go to arbitration, and Kennedy went anyway. If any of us didn’t listen to our boss, we’d probably get fired too, just not with $330,000 in our pocket on the way out the door. Kennedy’s desire to be a Sabre wasn’t enough to overcome the teams (and all Buffalo sports teams) desire to stand their ground as a cheap, second rate franchise, and they used the tools both sides agreed on to mediate the situation. I just showed up a website, dedicated to one of the teams, and chose to voice my, factually based, opinion on the situation.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And like a lot of athletes, he got some bad advice from his AGENT.

Hopefully Kennedy will get a shot later this year for the Rangers.

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He won’t be a Ranger after tomorrow, count on that! What a bad move by Sather!

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

It appears he still has the same agent, so I’m guessing it wasn’t all Allain Roy’s fault.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

To add further

Brooks is speculating that a trade for a defenseman is in the works.

One questions why we need more d-men in the system, but if it’s Eminger out, someone else in, it works for me.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Parent just got waived after being traded apparently.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

could explain the shift from keeping them to clearing space now.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the combined cap hit of white and kennedy is 2.925, very similar to a guy who Brooks keeps pushing, just saying.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just realized when I saw the cap comments. Oy.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that happens and eminger goes, unfortunately it will likely mean Sauer is the 7

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Sauer as a 7th

With his history of injury problems it may be a great fit for him… still he really busted his ass in camp and has earned that 6th spot.

I am anxious to figure out if there will be a trade or waiver wire pick up for the 6th spot… I have one thing to say and one thing only- Anyone but Steve Eminger (and Sheldon Souray).

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

well Souray is who smurf and I were referring to without naming directly

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He-who-must-not-be-named Leetchie! Don’t speak his name.

I am actually a fan of Souray and hope for good things to come his way… I just don’t want him on the Rangers. He has a cannon of a shot and is a good teammate but… he is a project and a risk, he is injury-prone and miserable in his own end.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you spoke it first, lol.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray would be a great fit here

He’s comfortable moving the puck, cheap, and with he won’t still be tying up a spot when the young guys are ready. The injury history doesn’t bother me a bit. If something happens, we put him on the IR, cap free, and it opens up a spot for a kid.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they need a guy sound in his own end.

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're getting back to "Safe is Death"

The lineup has gotten faster, Souray gives us a third puck moving d-man – one for each pair. I think the plan is to keep teams on their heals, and I like it.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

except he has 2 years so now he is blocking a kid next year too

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year is his last

His $2.7 can go to Hartford, without any fear of it popping back up to haunt us. $2.7 is nothing. Just ask Todd White.

Really though, if there’s a problem, I see it being injury related, in which case, he’ll retire or go on the IR. I think there’s not alot of risk in this for us.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a dumb question: since kennedy at 550K wont make it to Hartford why not trade him for something?

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe they dont want to take on a salary, since we re close to the cap? or maybe there were no takers for Kennedy (although I would find that hard to believe)

by MattPwrcf1 on Oct 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

could trade for pick, minor leaguer

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

NYDNRangers Derek Stepan says he plans to switch to No. 21, which he wore in college. #NYR

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice, 21 suits him

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it, too…..57 was not a good fit

by MattPwrcf1 on Oct 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great now I’ll keep seeing zubov

by teknics on Oct 6, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cool.

And now the jersey sales begin.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

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by Moshe52792 on Oct 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah someone called that

I wanted 91 but Stepan does not like me apparently.

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stepan wore 21 in college.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

kennedy

From the small amount of time I had to evaluate him on thought that Kennedy was a solid player with some good skills. I would have liked to see him stick around.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with your assessment but the Rangers have a similar-type player in Zuccarello, who has even more upside potential!!!

by MRichter35 on Oct 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

I hope he ends up someplace and does well. He works hard and is fun to watch play.

by CTrangerfan on Oct 5, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd pick Kennedy

over Zuck any day…but by now folks know my opinion on that one!

by voice22 on Oct 5, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Souray deal is so coming our way

Could be terrific if its a White/Rosi in the package. Edmonton is pretty dumb, unfortunately prob not that dumb

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by Kendrick Jay on Oct 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope not, that would ruin my day

by MattPwrcf1 on Oct 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sources

I don’t see anything on the wire about waving White and Kennedy, not even TSN. I can see White, totally a salary dump, but I can’t see how they couldn’t find any takers for Kennedy, at least a draft pick or prospect.

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The link in the story is Bob McKenzie of TSN’s twitter. That’s where it started, it’s all over twitter now.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

well all the ranger beat writers are claiming sources as if it wasnt actually done yet.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure it will be officially listed before the end of the day on places like TSN’s website

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it matters, Torts said he expects them to be in the lineup anyway….its like when Lisin got waived last year and played for the rangers the following night

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, i think he played THAT night.

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

some memory you got kido…i stand corrected haha

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be more specific. lol

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks for the update.

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if the economics are accurate

But I just got this message:

Kennedy ($550k) and White ($2.375m) waived…$2.925M in cap space…Souray
is $2.7 through re-entry waivers…

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

yea, that was my coded reference above. also would have to assume eminger and his 1.125 would be gone, well hopefully that and not sauer’s 500K

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah shit, missed your message up top. Sorry bout that. So much for avoiding repeats huh?

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bigger problem was you referring to him by name, lol.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am going to date myself here, but in the movie “Damn Yankees” there is that song “Whatever Lola Wants, Lola Gets”

Sather is Lola

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Rangers could have done a little better. Waiving White, we all saw that coming….but Kennedy with his low salary and youth has so much potential and low risk. Eminger and EC might have been significantly better choices. And I don’t care what anyone thinks, we don’t need EC as a center on this team and we won’t be successful because of him…I like him, but he’s a role player. Souray coming? I don’t know whether to be worried or not. Is Rozi going?

by earthworm on Oct 5, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't say it Jim!

Don’t you dare even suggest it Jim!

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t make the news, I just relay it in an “irresponsible fan behavorial” way

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I am anxious about this one.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems Sather is about to fall off the preey good off season wagon and get Souray.

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

*pretty

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty on the way

Well it looks like Souray is on the way, economics and a big LEFT HANDED shot. I hate to say it, but it looks like is going to happened.

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

oh and for the record, this is part of why i ranted at the D moves the other day because sending McD down meant a move like Souray was likely to come because I didnt see them giving Sauer a legit shot to start

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention Souray has 2 years on his deal, so barring another deal, even if they shed Sauer-Gilroy next year, there’s only 1 spot on the defense next year.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, but I was seen as short sided the other day, now hopefully we arent stuck with a long miserable view ;-)

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure what all this means really

 jessespector
  
John Tortorella confirms Kennedy and White on waivers, but says they’re not going down… so where are they going? Sather coming soon. #NYR

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by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade fodder?

Or putting them on re-entry waivers?

I am just speculating… I don’t know what the Kennedy being waived means… really it opens up a little bit of salary. I would rather have kept Kennedy… so young still, so much potential.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

kennedy's going to be claimed by somebody

maybe buffalo because they’d get him back cheap now

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by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wont last all the way to buffalo imo. could see the isles claiming him too, already got Grabner.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie Michael Grabner claimed by NYI on waivers.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smart pick-up by the Islanders. What the hell was Florida thinking? That kid can fly.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, question is can he produce with the skating or is he lisin/sjostrom

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah Rico Fata…haha I remember that guy….his skating was light years ahead of his puck handling

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were going to say...

his skates were ahead of his brain.

Pretty much the same thing I guess… ;-)

by dbmaven on Oct 5, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buy a player out

Just to sign him again?

That would be magically confusing.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i actually think there are rules forbidding that for a year.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray

I can’t understand why the consensus is that Souray to the Rangers would be such a bad move. Souray brings the big bomb from the point that the Rangers so desperately need, he plays on the edge and would bring much need toughness to the D and you would never be getting a more motivated player after what happened with him at Edmonton. If you can get him in a even salary swap , say for Rozsival and a mid round draft pick it would be an absolutely brillaint move with no downside.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

they would be claiming him not trading for him.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

souray contnued

He has already cleared waivers and no team has claimed him so he is still Oilers property and can still be traded, sent to the minors or just outright released.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

right, but the rangers wouldnt trade for him and take his full 5.4 hit. they would let edmonton call him back up and split the hit with them at 2.7, like they did with Dallas on Aves.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray Part 3

There is no chance that the 10 teams in front of the Rangers would pass on Souray at half the cap hit. It is a lock that one of those teams would pick him up. Despite his defensive shortcomings it is a no-brainer. Some people seem to have a very short memory, are they forgetting how bad that Rozsival is when he goes into those 20 game comas where he is always out of position, rarely makees contact with an opposing player and handles the puck like it is a grenade with the pin already pulled out ?.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s 9 teams in front of us, 1 being Edmonton, so 8.

Dave did the actually statistical analysis, but in every year Rozi has been more valuable than Souray, even Souray’s huge offensive years. check on blue seat blogs for the analysis.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

only teams I could see claiming are Columbus and Isles and i pray they do.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never thought I would root this hard for NYI for anything.

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other teams would pass

Because Souray has been pretty clear about WHERE he wants to play. Unless he makes it clear he’s willing to go to any of the teams under us, I don’t think they put in the claim and have him unhappy for the next 2 years.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray

Is miserable in his own end and is injury prone, it would not be a trade it would most likely be a re-entry waiver where the Rangers take half of his salary cap hit (2.75 mill). He does have a cannon of a slapshot and would help the powerplay in a big way but he is also a gigantic gamble.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray will be this year’s biggest mistake…..and since Sather is an idiot, he should be in uniform by Wednesday.
Would be like taking Redden back.
Remember how some thought Redden was the answer to our pathetic power play? Big shot, good first passer…….
Truely do hate Sather.

by NYR94 on Oct 5, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

souray: do not want

what’s the plan, to put him on the third pair?

staal-girardi, mdz-roszival, gilroy-sauer/eminger

who’s spot is he going to take if none of them are in the deal? doubt he’s going to be here as a 7th dman

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by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

he would get sauer’s spot and sauer becoming the 7, eminger gone.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have Souray than Eminger but he is more expensive… as you said Souray being here would mean the end of Eminger. Souray has a big upside offensively but the real question is if it is enough to justify his poor defensive play. Maybe he will work here, who knows? I am inclined to be pessimistic.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I added a poll to the story, make sure you vote

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You should have a third option:

“Only if he is the Sheldon Souray of two years ago or four years ago and not injured”

No one has seen Souray play for awhile and he is pretty injury prone and certainly not young at 34.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont need 3rd option. everyone who says yes assumes your scenario.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point. Does Souray have to pass a physical before he picked up and claimed? In terms of injury?

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well getting away from Ed might light a fire under his ass. Watch he puts 4 forwards on IR with his shot trying to help the team, that seems more realistic the way things go for Ranger fans.

In an Ideal world, I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.

by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meech on waivers and...

VAN-NAS trade is O’Brien and Dan Gendur for Parent and another player not off the NHL roster. (Other player is Jonas Andersson)

(Bob McKenzie)

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

apparently Parent was waived after the deal as well. smells like a move where vancouver wanted to get out from possibly owing 800K on O’brien re-entry.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think of

Derek Meech? I have always liked his game. He isn’t a big guy though… just a thought.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

stats lie

Stats don’t always tell the real worth of player and in the case of Rozsival ever since Jagr left town he has been the INVISIBLE man.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

That's not true at all

sure his point total has decreased but he does a lot of other things that help this team win, including having a veteran on the blue line who can mentor the youngins.

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one’s you’re looking at don’t. Slapshot MPH doesn’t tell the worth of a player either.

Dismissing numbers because they don’t agree with your opinion doesn’t mean it’s the stats that are lying.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a strong second half last year, but i think he understands what Torts wants from him now. I see Rosi having a strong season.

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats don't lie

They’re a recording of events that have actually taken place. Maybe some stats smooth out the variability of play, but repeated over enough samples they tend to tell a very clear cut truth.

Shakira’s hips don’t lie for that matter either

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pictures have always helped me understand an idea.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmmmm….me likey

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shakira's

Hips utter nothing but truth. And if anyone says otherwise I will gut them with an ice cream scooper.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i voted yes soley based on the fact that i would rather see just about anyone other than eminger on the team….surely souray would not be taking on the same role as eminger….but again…..im not really considering the other possibilities and potential problems that could come from this…just can’t stand to see eminger play as a ranger.

by Master Ov Brutality on Oct 5, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Gross on trading for/acquiring Souray
There’s plenty of speculation, and rightfully so, that the Rangers are looking to deal for a defenseman, specifically a left-shooting one. The one name that keeps coming up is exiled Oiler Sheldon Souray but there are no indications the Rangers are moving in that direction. Another name speculated on, Vancouver’s Shane O’Brien went to Nashville today.

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The only reason I'd ever want Souray on the team

Is so he can take Ken Daneyko to task for the below the belt comments he made about him last year. Then he could punch Daneyko’s lights out, break his hand again and then put on the LTIR for the next 2 years.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I have to admit

that I laughed out loud on that one.

+1

by dbmaven on Oct 5, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shane O'Brien

And NYC nightlife are not a good combo.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

he's gone now

so no worries

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again

The Blackhawks were caught partying it up in Vancouver last year and they won the Cup. Hm…more games in Vancouver for the Rangers!

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rozsival

Rozsival a MENTOR for the kids, you have to be kidding. Souray has gamebreaking skills while Rozsival is a pedestrian journeyman who is no more than a solid 6th on any other team.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Pedestrian journeyman?

He’s been on 2 teams dude. And been on NYR for the past 5.

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by stonecoldcory on Oct 5, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also believe

That Rozi travels with the team on the planes and and buses. So he’s far from a pedestrian.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

But in that case he goes on quite a few journeys.

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by Scratch and Snif on Oct 5, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rozsival is a solid 6th on ANY other team?

I have no argument for you, mainly because you’re so blinded by you irrational hate of Rosival that he can do no good.

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can feel the hate in you……good……good

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m already pissed off about the Dolphins getting utterly embarrassed last night.

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by stonecoldcory on Oct 5, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dolphins????
Where did this come from…..
The Dolphins have been an embarrassment since the late 70’s.

by NYR94 on Oct 5, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

not irrational

It has nothing to do with hate, which in my vocabulary is a very strong word. It has to do with performance. Rozsival’s performance can be consistently described as erratic at best. He refuses to shoot the puck from the point while on the PP which takes the guess work out of how other teams defense them. There is no physicality to his game and his positioning leaves alot ot be desired. He doesn’t make his defense partner a better player or any of the forwards for that metter. Souray can stand up for a teammate and win a fight he can bring the bomb from the point and score a big goal and he has an edge to his game that teh Rangers need. He is a difference maker, not a Superstar. And difference makers are what the Rangers have been lacking for much to long.

by boxcarand bugsy on Oct 5, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn’t describe Souray as erratic? And how does Souray make his D-man partner a better player when his own defense is below average? Just cause he can stand up for a teammate or shoot the puck hard doesn’t mean he’s a gamebreaker or Superstar.

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by stonecoldcory on Oct 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on your review of rosi’s play, he sounds pretty consistent, not erratic

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

George is that a stat somewhere for how many times Rozival has had the puck skip over his stick and out of the offensive zone thus nullifying any chance at establishing a cycle?

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not specifically, but when that happens, the team is not generating shots on offense, which means it’s reflected in his Corsi.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

or I can just watch him play hot potato with the puck and draw the same conclusion….jk i heart your spreadsheets

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s good, there’ll be plenty more coming.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

when are you getting the passing statistics? c’mon jimbo, don’t you implement deadlines? jk

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by The Suit on Oct 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you smoking?

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant believe 35 people, as of now, voted for Souray to be on the Rangers.

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe you believe in Chris Drury, but we all have our opinions :)

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can’t believe you’re a Rangers, Mets, & Giants fan. How do you deal w/ the year round depression? :)

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cigarettes, beer, Xanax, and porn

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And at least I’ve seen the Giants win a championship since the DVD was invented

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey! I used to like Giants fans. At least compared to insufferable Jets fans.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. I’m a Jet fan and I do not think I am insufferable. Although i no longer live in the NYC area, which helps.

by NTB on Oct 5, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry..you get lumped in with the rest of ‘em, the ones who get so excited after every tackle or completion that you’d think they were earning a healthy commission.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

G-MEN!

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Oct 5, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone

Ordered from the same breakfast menu as I did this morning.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure beats being an Islander, Yankee and Jet’s fan….

by NYR94 on Oct 8, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can. I’m surprised ‘No’ is winning, to be honest. I underestimated the fan base here.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea good point. Common sense & Ranger fans arent exactly Peanut Butter & Jelly

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, getting the scoop from Derek @ C&B, I’m warming a little to the idea. Though he keeps yelling “WHEN HEALTHY” at me.

Apparently the advanced stats are favorable for him, as long as he stops hurting himself fighting and hitting things. I still don’t want him because he eats a spot next year, but I won’t be miserable based on what I’m hearing.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He opened a thread on the SBN Hockey Google Group entitled “Sather can’t resist”

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 5, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he did.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHEN HEALTHY

Souray could be a steal… a lot of important words to keep an eye on though: ‘when’, ‘could’, ‘gamble’, ‘risk’, ‘Shakira’… nevermind that one, ‘defense’, ‘injury’.

He could be a steal but he could also be a big, big headache when the Rangers have just rid themselves of one.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

…as he stops hurting himself fighting and hitting things

But aren’t those the 2 most important criteria to being a superstar D-man?

by NTB on Oct 5, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are forgetting a cannon of a slapshot! And disregarding defensive responsibilities!

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps their are 35 Oilers fans here, that would be my guess

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re probably left over from the 1994 Edmonton East team that won the Cup

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by Plusch on Oct 5, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be sooooo mad if Souray comes here. I will be pissed actually.

by CrazyRangerFan on Oct 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Sather speaks

This from Gross:

"It’s not complicated," Sather said. "It just gives us some options in case somebody becomes available in the next day or two we can use. There’s always that possibility (of Kennedy being claimed). At the same time, you have to remember there are some kids in Hartford that can play here as well. It just gives us a little more versatility. I think they both played fine."

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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 5, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Isles Grab Grabner

Pretty sure that lowers their waiver priority – they were speculated as being a team ahead of the Rangers who may be interested in Souray.

by John Merrigan on Oct 5, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t believe waiver priority resets like it does in the fantasysports world:

If more than one team puts in a claim on a player during the waiver period, then the team with the higher waiver priority’s claim is accepted.

If the claim is before November 1, waiver priority is based on the previous year’s standings, with the team with the worst record having first priority and the team with the best record having last priority.

If the claim is after November 1, waiver priority is based on the current year’s standings, defined as the lowest percentage of possible points.

I’m looking, but I don’t see anything about losing your spot. Edmonton has first dibs on everyone til the season starts.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

for some reason i thought that they did shuffle depending on claims

by John Merrigan on Oct 5, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I had to write a rebuttal

To the prospects of picking up Souray to my friend, who although is as a diehard fan, sometimes fails to grasp the larger picture when it comes to choosing the on ice personnel.

My first issue with Souray is that the Oilers didn’t even let him attend camp, so perhaps he’s been working out on his own but that’s hardly going to put him into game shape. And for a player that’s missed about 50 games in 2 of the 3 years he’s been in EDM who’s almost 35, conditioning is a legitimate concern.
 
Furthermore, he’s on the books for another year after this. The Rangers don’t exactly have a lot of big contracts coming off the books after this year, I think Frolov has the highest cap hit out of anyone due to become a FA. Callahan and Dubinsky (if he’s still around, I think he will be but I can see him getting traded) will require another raise of at least a million each. Also, having Souray for an extra year would mean next year they’ll come into camp with 5 D on the NHL roster leaving room for only one of McDonagh, Valentenko and should he impress enough this year, Gilroy. Furthermore, I think having him man the point on PP will rob Del Zotto (and maybe Gilroy if they let him play that role this year) of gaining experience in that role and especially for Del Zotto they should be looking on expanding his role not decreasing it. The Rangers aren’t a Cup contender so they don’t need a guy that will set back some of their rebuilding process.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Mentioned this earlier, but Vancouver who acquired Ryan Parent in a trade, then waived him, any interest?

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take Parent over Eminger or Souray

by Leetch4prezofNYR on Oct 5, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parent also can’t stay healthy and drove my Flyers fan friends insane.

by KingHenrik on Oct 5, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

'we are going with youth this year'

I dont get it. Why not keep Kennedy whom many of us like? Then go and get souray who took the Wade Redden route to the ahl? I dont care what kind of shot he has. Look at Valentenko’s shot, McD’s potential/hockey IQ or Sauer’s shot he buried at the redwings game i went to, before looking at Souray. Ugh give me a break.
This is the perfect example of a gm trying to do too much, what a joke. Why not go and get somebody at the trade deadline, all the while showcasing our on-the-bubble players. To think I thought he had a good off season and now he’s going to do something retarted agian! anyone have something hard to drink?

by louielounz1 on Oct 5, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Where is there a statement from the Rangers org that says they want Souray?

Chill

Why get pissed at moves that have not even occured?

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The writing is clearly on the wall, Edmonton gets the first pick off of waivers and they will take Kennedy, then send Souray to the Rangers, that will complete the deal. Except Sather will be paying full price for Souray now! What an idiot he is.

by HeloflyH46 on Oct 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

some idiots (newswriters) with no news to write about postulate it and it becomes the writing on the wall?

I think not.

If anyone takes kennedy, there is no requirement to send anything back.

Check back tomorrow when you are wrong though. i will be relaxing this evening, not worrying about things that have not happened.

by GAThingy on Oct 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Souray was waived

so if the Rangers get him it would be on re-entry waivers, and they would only pick up half his salary (2.7 mil)

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy cleared waivers

care to admit you were incredibly wrong now?

by GAThingy on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is not having a left handed D that much of a deficit? Any stats on that Smurf?

 If so, who else fits the bill is out there? If no one, why not just see where we are at the March deadline, when maybe some of our bubble guys have increased their trade value?

Sheldon is too big a gamble.

by mike1967 on Oct 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

There is no stat for it

it’s just not good. If two rightys are running the point it;s easier to defend, rather than having a righty and a lefty

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by Joe Fortunato on Oct 5, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would worry more about the rush the other way than the offensive zone as you might be more susceptible to rushes down the offensive right side.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily

An offensive defenseman, playing his off side, has a quite an advantage coming up ice. He’s on his forehand when he moves to the net, has a tighter angle for a shot, and doesn’t have a wait for a one-timer to cross his body on the D-D across the blueline.

It’s a bit easier to defend, because an attacker, coming from open ice is on his stick, and he can’t protect the puck with his body, but if you’re looking to push the puck around the zone quickly it can be a real asset.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AgwEFcABHg2rNrf8Kbuuhh97vLYF?slug=ap-officials-laboragreement

When I saw this at first I thought it was a new CBA. I was like dude how is this not big news? It is the official union and the NHL though duh…lol

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by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Sheldon Souray is a great pirate name

I’ll take Souray if we can dress him up as a pirate and let him loose in MSG to terrorize opposing fans.

by jigblahdah on Oct 5, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

NYDN

I read what Sather said to Spector. Part of it sounded like Souray, but maybe something more. Maybe the Devils will have to dump one of there “big boys” To get under the cap & Isn’t Philly in trouble also? Here Sathers Quote:

Let’s say somebody’s got a cap problem, and they put a real good player on waivers tomorrow, then we have the room to take a real good player," Sather said. “Maybe in a different position — maybe you’re looking at a defenseman that could be there, somebody can’t afford to keep him. Then, by opening up this space, we would have room to absorb it. It’s just giving us a chance to do something like that, to exercise an option.”

by Nyrfan23 on Oct 5, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he's just saying that for the sake of saying that

Because Salvador, White or Zubrus* do no qualify as real good players.

  • The names most often bantered about by Devils fans that need to be moved to get under the cap.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

salvador has a concussion i believe so they are going to get some cap savings from that.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that happened at just the right time….hmmm

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by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like a good strategy.

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by voice22 on Oct 5, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are not one of the first picks for waivers so I doubt if something good comes along we will get him

by Pballer505 on Oct 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Souray should be available…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 5, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something is in the works

There was no pressing cap situation that would force the rangers to waive todd white. the rangers could have kept him as spare as an insurance policy for vinny prospal in case his knee doesnt let him come back anytime soon. strange they would make this move now with no pressing cap need and two injuries up front.

kennedy being waived is even more curious

by John Merrigan on Oct 5, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Rangers currently have 14 roster forwards, plus Drury and Prospal. They have til tomorrow (?) to set the 23 man rosters. If Drury is ready to go opening day, or at least by Monday vs NYI, waiving White now makes all the sense in the world, cap or no cap.

I’ve got nothing to explain Kennedy however.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. especially since at least cap wise waiving kennedy saves us very little.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Gross

“The rosters have to be set and salary cap ($59.4 million) compliant by tomorrow at 3 p.m.”

Tomorrow @ 3pm teams have to be salary cap compliant. It is going to be a busy 21 hours.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The teams have to be under the cap by 3 tomorrow or before the first game they play? I have heard it both ways.

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by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’d be assuming that drury and prospal would start the year on IR allowing them to keep 25. there is no urgency to waive them both right now, maybe one would need to go if drury is on his way but prospal seems likely to be out.

by John Merrigan on Oct 5, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy was a dumb move imo.

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by BL3ACH on Oct 5, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be glad to have Souray… his salary through waivers would be 2.7 as a cap hit for the Rangers… He’s a high risk high reward player and would be an excellent veteran to help our rookies something we lack…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 5, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Technically, the only rookie on D is Sauer. Gilroy and MDZ are in their Sophmore. Girardi and Stall are old men. Souray was only successful because of his blast of a shot not because he was some outstanding mastermind of the power play.

Souray
 “I can see the net. Shoot”

Any O in front of the net
“The shot didn’t go in but there is a rebound”

It’s really not that hard.

by Leetch4prezofNYR on Oct 5, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

it actually is that hard – if it were so easy every defenseman in the nhl would average 50 points.

by John Merrigan on Oct 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant young… thats my bad… just had my first law school midterm… my brain is kinda fried…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 5, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Tim Kennedy too..and no to Sheldon Souray

if he had been available three years ago, I might have jumped on him. but he’s been injured, has a long contract …and even the Oilers didn’t want him.

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by feslenraster on Oct 5, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Souray’s contract only has two years left on it… unless i’m mistaken… essentially he replaces redden/eminger… which is a major upgrade… plus he’s a nasty defensemen in his own end…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that is more than worth it then lets say… steve eminger especially when you talk about contribution if he gets hurt, we have playing of d- prospects whom are just on the cusp… a healthy Souray is worth 5 mil per…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid.

Might as well add Kennedy to the long list of hockey players that will haunt us for the years to come. Cant believe slats let him go. The kid really showed promise this preseason. Sure, Fedex did great this preseason, but it is likely he is gone after this season, when Kennedy should start to blossom.

Once again the management is thinking about the playoffs and not longterm.
Freaking stupid. Gah.

by CDXX93 on Oct 5, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we could have used him as part of a trade package

I can see Kennedy with Todd White (2.375M), Steve Eminger (1.125M), and a prospect being traded in a packaged deal to a team with a high cap hit. If they do this, we can get draft picks or some other prospects and increase our salary cap. If this does happen, what do u guys think we can get out of it?

by danmarley21 on Oct 5, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

White, Kennedy, Eminger, and prospect for a 2011 3rd and 5th round pick and 2012 4th round pick

by danmarley21 on Oct 5, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would anyone do that?

We didn’t even give up that much for any of those guys. The only reason would be if you offered a serious prospect, and that doesn’t make any sense either.

by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really was not necessary. He’s a small 24 year old with 26 career points. At a similar age, the much beloved EC had about double that. Although he showed some skills in preseason, he did not beat out any of the players currently on the active roster, including players like Feds or Boyle. And there is no reason to think he would necessarily win a spot next year. Even if Feds and Prospal are gone and lets say Frolov leaves and we don’t sign a replacement, that leaves 3 openings on the forward line (including two scratches). And we’ll have Grachev, Zuccarello and Krieder competing for those spots.

It would have been nice to keep him as cheap depth, But even there, if they need an injury replacement, Grachev, Zuccarello or Weise may do just as well.

by LJR on Oct 6, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

So summing it up –
Sather might spend 2.7mm
on an oft-injured (by his own hand, mind you)
irresponsible in his own end (that whole ‘minus’ on the the plus/minus thing)
“project” (we all know how the majority of those work out, eh?)
who’s completely out of shape (wasn’t permitted to attend EDM training camp)
but will light up the ESPN highlights (the few times they do anything with hockey) with a couple of big bit hits.

Oh – and who statistically is probably worse than Waive (D)Redden…..

Fantastic – what a deal !!! Where do I sign???

/sarcasm

by dbmaven on Oct 5, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no words for this… but here it is.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a lock - we gotta get him!

Flowing locks, jean-only topless posters, jewelry. If he’s even close to as good as the last guy we signed who fit this bill, we’re in for a treat. Scroll down if you need to follow the link.

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by BuckarooClub on Oct 5, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Kennedy and White gone...

We have 14 forwards and 7 defensemen on the team. If we subtract Prospal and Drury from the equation since they are currently injured, i am looking at these lines for opening night:

Frolov-Christensen-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Ansimov-Callahan
Avery-Stepan-Fedotenko
Boogaard-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
DelZotto-Sauer
Rozsival-Gilroy/ Eminger

Lundqvist/ Biron

If I was Sather, I wouldn’t make any other move besides trading either Rozsival or Eminger.

by danmarley21 on Oct 5, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Rozsival’s going to start with MDZ, Gilroy with Sauer. Otherwise that’s the lineup.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should of kept Kennedy

really makes no f’n sense to me to sign this kid and then cut him
long term he could be a good player
what is he 20 years old?

by Archie Barberio on Oct 5, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

24 years old

Last year was his rookie year in Buffalo.

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy crap

topic change: the edmonton oilers “boys on the bus” doc from 1987 is on msg right now, and look at that tomato faced bastard sather

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Great blog, Joe

Great piece on 9-11, Joe. Really spoke to me. thanks.

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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 5, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched that. Sather comes off as a cocky, strange, unbearable little man in that documentary. You have a blog?

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks step, glad somebody got something out of it besides me

yes dig i do…..http://www.joereiter.com/

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

the highlight of this doc: the game the oilers play in new york against the rangers, messier cross-checks mike allison, breaks his stick, and a woman behind the glass bangs the glass screaming YOU SUCK at him

oh, five years later i bet she was wearing his jersey

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Messier moment, “You are going to give me a penalty because my stick broke (on his back)?”

I like your writing style, you have a new regular blog reader.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like your reading style, you got an eye for talent

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

jesus h christ i think grant fuhr & randy gregg are the only guys on this team not to play for the rangers in the 90s

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beuke

Anderson, Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Lowe, MacTavish, (Graves?), etc…

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by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

graves wasn't on the '87 team....

…but mcsorley was, as was tikkanen

the rangers sent ruotsalanien the other way in 96 so i guess it’s even

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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

*86 not 96*

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't belive I forgot Tik!

I try to forget McSorley. Graves became an Oiler in 89-90, you are right… I was thinking ex-Oiler Rangers in general.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

this means we can't rest knowing dave lumley may still get a call from slats for a 'tryout'

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mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sather is getting pretty long in the tooth

He might panic and call up one of the Good Ol’ Boys.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit

sather from 1987: “the flames developed a game plan to stop us from using the drop pass, to take away the creativity, and our guys have been so used to winning on talent they didn’t adapt”

so he really wasn’t coaching them, because a good coach would’ve had his team make adjustments ‘or else’

slats has been getting by on a rep for decades and this doc proves it

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 5, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just let the players that fell into his lap

Carry him to a championship or five (rather harsh, I know he did play a part in the team’s success…).

Slats has never seemed like a whiz in terms of moves and knowing the value of players but I think every GM swings and misses… I just tend to think that Sather’s batting average is lower than most’s.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

slats = dave kingman

towering home run or (more frequently) a strikeout

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Switching 2 & 3

Does anyone else think the supposed 2nd and 3rd lines (as proposed danmarley 21 above, and many others) should be switched. I just think Aves/Stepan/Fed-ex will be more offensively productive than Dubs/Anisimov/Cally if given the opportunity (ice time). As several people have been saying, Dubinsky has heart, grit, etc. but he really struggles to finish.
Just a thought.

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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 5, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it would be an error

To put Dubinsky on the third line, the same can be said for Anisimov. It is likely that the ‘2nd’ and ‘3rd’ line will get very similar minutes and ice time. I am sure that Stepan will see some PP time (as will Feds probably). An important thing to note: the lines and roster at the start of the year is not going to be the roster and lines in a month, by mid-season, or by the trade deadline.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 5, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I think Dubi has a chance at 25 goals this year if he plays a full season and they aren’t forced to move him back to center. Cally can probably hit just around 20 and AA probably has 40-45 points if those two hit the aforementioned goal amounts.

Even with top 6 minutes it’s tough to see Avery hitting 20. I will be pleased if Stepan can manage at least 75 games and 30+ points.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We have to give them the chance to fail first. If it isn’t working, the change will come naturally.

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by voice22 on Oct 5, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No chance. Feds-Stepan-Aves are all 10-15 goal guys. Dubi-Anisimov-Cally has the potential to be three 20+ guys. At very least Dubi/Cally should hit 20.

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by George E. Ays on Oct 5, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dubinsky is by far the best offensive player out of those 6 as of right now, so no I don’t agree. I would describe Callahan’s game as heart and grit.

by KingHenrik on Oct 5, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Dave's a KILLER!!

. . .Dave’s a mess."

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by Stepan the Ice! on Oct 5, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avery

As inconsistent as Avery was last year he still managed to put up 31 points. I think if he gets top 6 minutes, he’s capable of putting up 40-45 points. That is if he plays consistently through the season.

by jdileone on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that's the big question with Avery's play

He has some raw skill but he never brings it to the table on a consistent enough basis. The other thing is that Anisimov-Dubi-Cally are probably more integral pieces to the organization than Avery is (on a long term outlook). If nothing else I’d love to see AA develop into a bona fide 2nd line pivot.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Oct 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Torts hates Avery…….
I would rather get rid of the coach and keep and play Avery.

by NYR94 on Oct 8, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking news on TSN.

Gilroy and Stepan traed for Craig Mctavish and a conditional 6th round pick.

by l.whit7873 on Oct 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

on a side note, i always find it interesting when an sbnation blog does a poll and there are so many more votes than comments or especially commenters, so lots of people lurking, speak, we would love to debate the opinions.

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by Michael Gleich on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

voted yes. Didn’t really want him figured McD and Sauer would be 6 & 7. Has 2 years left, doesn’t really make sense, but neither does carrying 5 right D.

Completely baffled by Kennedy move.

by Kmp on Oct 6, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we frighten them

It took me a few months until I started posting here and now I can’t leave.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Oct 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy

I don’t really mind waiving him… there is no certainty he will be claimed… plus he isn’t a big player, he is shifty, but a lot of people react as if we just waived gaborik… he was a spare part… you cannot go with a line up of 21 rookies… it just doesn’t happen… there has to be some veteran presence in the lineup, and I doubt that Kennedy is going to be able to mentor players as Fedetenko will be able to… Fed also brings something that many o ther players on this team don’t have, and thats a winning mentality… He’s won two cups, one with torts…

Plus if Vinny’s indeed done for the year, fed takes his position as middleman between the players and torts…

Kennedy is the type of player that people fall in love with, much like peter prucha, whom is nothing more than a third line winger at best…

by Clalicata17 on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree, except that Prucha was far more productive in his rookie season than Kennedy.

by LJR on Oct 6, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

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