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Wade Redden….The Mentor?

Before I begin, I would like to thank Jess Rubenstein of The Prospect Park for answering my questions regarding Wade Redden in the AHL.

When the Rangers demoted Wade Redden to the AHL, most fans celebrated, however a few were curious about how he would accept his demotion. After his decision to report to the Whale, the curiousness spread throughout the fan base. There were two basic questions here: Would Redden treat the demotion the way other veterans, such as Patrick Rissmiller and Donald Brashear, had treated their demotions, by complaining and being a locker room cancer? Or would Redden be a gentleman and a mentor to the young kids that seem have so much potential? Given Redden’s personality and generally benevolent nature, few should be surprised that he has been a gentleman while in the AHL, and an extremely good mentor to the young defensemen.

For the first few weeks of the season, many raved about how Tomas Kundratek (third round, 2008) was adjusting to the pace of the professional game, and how he was becoming the Whale’s best defenseman. What many overlook is that he was paired with Redden for the opening couple of weeks. As per Jess, Redden helped him adjust to the rigors of the increased competition (Kundratek played in Canadian Juniors prior). Redden also educated the young defenseman in how to move up in the Rangers organization. Kundratek is often passed over by fans in the prospect depth chart, but he really shouldn’t be. His progress this year has been incredible, and Redden is one of the biggest contributors towards this.

After working with Kundratek, Redden was paired with Jyri Niemi, who was acquired from the Islanders over the summer in exchange for a sixth round draft pick. Niemi was a third round pick in 2008 himself, and has some great talent. However, he was never really able to put it all together on a consistent basis until recently. Naturally, Redden has been a positive influence on Niemi, who has finally been able to showcase his talent on a more consistent basis, which has led to more ice time and less healthy scratch time.

Depth on defense is tough to come by, so it is important to develop that talent in the AHL. This is something that Redden has been a big part of this season. For a defenseman making $6.5 million per year, he coul dhave taken his demotion as an insult, the way Rissmiller and Brashear did, and sulked his way through the remainder of his deal. However, the consummate professional that Redden is, he has been a role model for the kids to follow. Rubenstein says that the most important thing is that the kids are listening to Redden, and it is beginning to show on the ice. Redden’s play in New York may have been underwhelming, but he is showing that he can contribute in other ways. With so much negativity towards Redden, it is time Redden got his due for what he is doing in Connecticut. 

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Has always been and always will be Sather’s fault. Redden didn’t do himself any favors though with moaning about getting scratched but he’s off the big league roster and that’s good enough for me.

The best result for the both the Rangers and the sake of Redden’s remaining NHL career is if he refuses assignment next year to HFD and he can get released and teams can see if hes worth a lower value annual deal.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Dec 29, 2010 8:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The contract doesn't seem so bad once you think of it this way:

He’s being paid to assistant coach hartford, while still being on the ice. Maybe assistant coach is too strong actually. He’s more like the tertiary coach. Meh, on second thought, “coach” at all isn’t the right word for him. He a veteran player. One thats being paid 6.5 mil to play in the minors…

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by Scratch and Snif on Dec 29, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden has always seemed like a good person. That’s what made this whole situation so difficult. He’s got a good heart, but the NHL has changed around him. Gone are the teams who survive on run and gun alone. I know we like to make fun of Sather’s comment that he is/was the best first passer in the league, but I do remember him working some magic with the old Senators club. He simply never adjusted his game and with that salary…

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by voice22 on Dec 29, 2010 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

Good for Wade

I’m sure he’s a good guy and a solid teammate but I think he’s realizing that the game has passed him by and he’s adjusting to more of a teaching role.

At least he’s contributing to the organization in that respect.

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by 76 Blueshirt on Dec 29, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

I’m sure being out of the constant scrutiny of New York and Tortorella can’t hurt, either.

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Dec 29, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Well, he didn’t help the Rangers, that’s for sure!
 But, consider—-he’s making 6.5 million a year to mentor the young players. That’s not too shabby a deal for him. He’s also learning a trade while he’s there—coaching. So, all in all, he’s got a good thing going for himself; a great paycheck and the start of a new career.
That’s not too tough to take!
You sure can’t say the man’s dumb!! lol.

by miatajay on Dec 29, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sure he's a good guy...

but you guys think it’s a good idea having a guy who doesn’t know how to succeed in the NHL telling our prospects how to succeed in the NHL?

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

He succeeded for a while in the NHL with Ottawa. He was one of the premier defensemen in the league before the lockout. He just aged too quickly.

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

So go infect the Senators’ prospects. You proved my point. He was good 6 years ago. He’s lost touch with how to succeed in the NHL the way it is in 2010-2011.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

and...

how exactly is Redden teaching them how to move up in the Rangers organization? As far as I know he’s never gone anywhere but down.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The irrational hatred of Redden is silly

He was one of the best two way defensemen in the league for a 5-6 year span. You really think he knows absolutely nothing about how to play hockey in the NHL?

by Lunkwill Fook on Dec 29, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He would still be in the NHL if it weren't for his contract

he’s a serviceable defenseman still.

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 29, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that is true. Also, lots of coaches are former players who couldn’t make a career of it. Lots of them. Do we really think that Torts could make this team at any point in his life?

by voice22 on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

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by dar9898 on Dec 29, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I do follow the Pack, and I have noticed that certain players have hot streaks that just “happen to coincide” with when they are paired with Redden. That’s not a coincidence. Go ask Jess yourself. Or Laurie. Or Mitch.

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess that explains why he’s a team worst -6.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

+/- is an arbitrary number that doesn’t necessarily reflect true defensive value to the team. If CORSI and GVT numbers were available for AHL players, it would give you a better representation.

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

This might mean that he’s given the hardest assignments. Some of our top guys have low +/-….Dubi I think is one last I checked.

by voice22 on Dec 29, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It could also easily mean the team’s shooting percentage with him on the ice has been bad, or the save%…lots of things out of one’s control with regular ol’ +/-

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by George E. Ays on Dec 29, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

“He was good 6 years ago.” Are you saying that Messier, Gretzky or Leetch couldn’t teach today’s players a few things? Not comparing Redden to those guys, but your logic is seriously flawed.

by Potvin Sucks! on Dec 29, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

not at all...

Messier, Gretzky, and Leetch didn’t get sent down to the AHL at the end of their career because they failed to adjust to changes in game play.

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by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but people like Peter Laviolette and Marc Crawford bounced around the minors for most of their careers. My point is you don’t need to have had huge success at the NHL level to be able to teach the kids a thing or two…

by Potvin Sucks! on Dec 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Crawdord and Laviolette too (in regards to my comment below).

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Some of the best coaches are borderline NHL players. Dan Bylsma comes to mind.

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

true...

and Gretzky couldn’t do anything with Phoenix. I’m just saying after everything Redden has put Rangers fans through I can’t understand why people think it’s good to let him influence our youth.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What did he put us through? Redden was EXACTLY what I expected him to be. Would you be this angry if he only signed a $2 million deal? No, you wouldn’t. That’s not Redden’s fault though.

by Dave Shapiro on Dec 29, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

really??

you expected an all star to turn into a useless warm body on the ice? Am I the only one that remembers him skating around like he had NO desire whatsoever to be on the ice? I think you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no way that anyone can say Redden didn’t put the NYR through a whole bunch of BS.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

by swissmix19 on Dec 29, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Arguing to argue

Sounds like that’s what you are doing. Redden signed a contract any of us would have. We all knew it was a Sather Special and he wasn’t worth even half of it, but you can’t fault Redden for that. The fact that he’s taken the demotion and is making the best of it shows that the man has integrity and class. And his career stats show he has the knowledge to pass along even if his skill level has dropped off.

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by Broheem NJ on Dec 29, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Redden didn't fail to adjust

He just declined, like most players do when they get older. He’s only down in Connecticut because of his contract dumbass.

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by Tripodi on Dec 30, 2010 5:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Coach K at duke is one of if not the best college coach. How great a player was he? Your ability as a player means nothing when it comes to coaching. If Wade is positively influencing young players as the article states,great. If he becomes cancerous, the only option is a healthy scratch.

by GAThingy on Dec 29, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

The guy was a great defenseman from 1999-2008, He put up at least 30 points a season in that stretch, he had 10+ goals in 5 of those seasons, he had 4 seasons with 40+ points, and one with 50. He’s played in 994 NHL games and has 654 points, in what way did he not succeed?

He was clearly one of the best defenseman in the league for about 10 years. Calling Redden a failure in the NHL is as laughable as it gets, the guy made it to the finals at one point, he played in numerous playoff games year after year, he just declined a bit earlier than normal.

But that doesn’t change the fact that he was a great player and having him mentor our young defensemen in Connecticut is definitely great for them, especially since the coaching down there sucks. Anyway, Redden was a great NHL defenseman, so saying otherwise is just plain retarded.

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by Tripodi on Dec 30, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure he didnt think he'd be playing in the AHL

Considering he was a 2-time NHL All-Star and he signed one of the richest contracts in recent memory, Redden should be ashamed of himself. Maybe he should just leave the money on the table and walk away, he can still be a decent sixth or seventh d-man in the NHL

by The Last Shall Become First on Dec 29, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Best First Passer in the Game, and a guy we targeted immediately.

We think he is going to move the puck up to the forwards quickly, and we are very happy to have him.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

I thought it was Power Play Pearn that called him the best 1st passer.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Dec 29, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

ok, i am a rare commenter here but i have commented on this issue before. Redden is NOT a terrible defencemen. in fact he is still an NHL caliber defencemen to this day, the problem is his contract. is he a good defencemen, yes, great no not any more. is he a 1 million dollar NHL player, yes, a 6.5 million no.

the guy is doing the right thing. he is mentoring them. there are plenty of people that can teach but might not be able to do what they teach. his “inability” to cut it in todays NHL is bs, and should not reflect on his ability to mentor the younger kids on the team. i can speak from experience when i say i might not be able to do everything in hockey, yet i know i can teach younger kids how to do things and can watch them do what i teach them and still critique them. but as i said before he is not a wash up, he is still a good Dman, just not a 6.5 million dollar one.

he is able to teach more than just the on ice stuff as well. he is a veteran presence for the team that can mentor on and off the ice. he can teach about the game that we all dont see, the locker room stuff, the business end and all of that.

i was a critic of the man and his play,m not because he was terrible but because of the contract. i have to say dont hate the player hate the money end of it, and that is not entirely his fault. if someone offered me 6.5 million im not going to turn it down.

he is doing what he needs to do to provide for his wife and young child. he has done the right thing my me and the ranger organization. he has left his ego at the door and still helping the team.

agree or not, these are my 2 pennies.

by jhs043 on Dec 29, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions   4 recs

Hey, thanks for pitching in Jhs…great post.

by voice22 on Dec 29, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a great post amidst all the douchebaggery...

It’s understandable to despise Redden’s contract because of his price-to-performance ratio, but it’s not logical to hate the man for doing what any sane person would do in a heartbeat. Picture any worker who at one point in time was one of the best at doing what he or she does, but their ability to perform said duty was declining. Looking for work, they find someone willing to pay them much more than competing companies were willing to pay them. Would you say to yourself “I know my work is declining, so I’m not worthy to make more money” and take the job for lesser pay to do the exact same work? I doubt it.

He doesn’t have to be able to perform what he’s teaching if the players are understanding what he’s teaching and implement it in to their game. He’s not a complete waste of a roster spot, but I don’t think anyone will shed a tear if he doesn’t accept his assignment next season. It would free up a 260+ NHL game spot in Hartford for a different under-performing veteran on our roster should we need to make additional room.

by Kritikal on Dec 29, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Moshe52792 on Dec 30, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

great post JHS

I agree. The only person we should be angry with for the 6.5 million is Glen Sather. Period.

I absolutely couldn’t stand Redden’s play with us and I made that known here and anywhere else it came up…. however, Wade Redden enjoyed many years of first pair success in the NHL, including going deep in the playoffs with Ottawa. Remember when he was paired with Chris Phillips?

Anyway, if you’re a kid trying to become a professional and make it last, how excited are you if you know you’re playing with Wade Redden in the AHL? Your plenty excited.

Some people on here need to learn when to defer to analysts like Jess and use common sense over their own emotional responses.

I for one am glad common sense usually prevails on this site…lol…

by KingHenrik30 on Dec 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Let me sum up all the arguments here....

I’d like to point to an old adage….Those who can’t do……TEACH. Lol

by jmaz25 on Dec 29, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Nah in the US it's those who don't think they can afford to teach, don't teach

And that’s why our school system is slipping

Wade Redden can still play in the NHL. He’s not a top minutes guy, but he could still play. The Rangers just can’t afford to pay him $6.5M if he’s not on the top line.

by dar9898 on Dec 29, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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