Apparently Alex Frolov Thinks this is the NFL
by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST
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It’s absolutely unacceptable to me that that I spend 7-8 minutes a game on the ice, especially on an energy line. It’s just not my game, which I told the coach candidly. But there are no personal problems between me and him. I’m not a quarrelsome person. Even in our recent conversation there was no swearing or raised voices. Nobody blamed anyone, we simply discussed the situation. The coach promised that soon everything will change, I just need to be a little patient and work harder in practice.
(Great work by Laurie Carr of Beyond the Blueshirts for translating the interview)
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 7, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
legend... wait for it... dary
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m fine with demoting Frolov, but I dont really agree with the “demotion” of Anisimov. C’mon, hes a kid, i think he deserves some more playing time in my opinion!
Yes he had one “stale” game with Dubi and Cally, I think linemates are supposed to work through that with each other. Put Anisimov with Dubi and Cally again, move Stepan back with Gabby and throw Christensen on the Wing. Have Boyle Prust Fedotenko and then fourth would be Frolov Avery Boogaard or whatever the heck lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Frolov doesn’t finish the season with the Rangers, This is Ales Kotalik and Christopher Higgins all over again.
Glad I'm not the only one who had the Kotalik deja vu. :)
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
it is and it is
by a small miracle frolov only has a one year deal. much easier to move.
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
i actually said the same thing in my post on Fro last week. Kots attitude with Higgins results; scary combination.
by Michael Gleich on Dec 7, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Let's just waive him and get it over with...that is, if he doesn't have a non-movement clause (?)
No sense wasting a roster spot for the NHL equivalent of a malcontent pig with lipstick on (execution, not physically speaking). Someone will certainly take a flyer on a guy sans long term contract plus ability to assist a flailing power play. Especially if he’s not expected to play defence (snicker).
We can’t demote the entire team to Hartford. Either we start moving guys via trade/waiver…or accept this year a salary cap wash of sorts (Rozi/Drury/Frolov/Prospal/Boogard).
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
I just want to throw this out there..
I’m not saying I approve of the way that Frolov has carried himself or handled this situation, but would this “get rid of him he’s a bum” sentiment be nearly as prevalent if he were not a Russian.
absolutely it would be, it has nothing to do with the fact hes russian
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that for you it doesn’t, but I think for perhaps the average Ranger fan that their outrage thrives a lot upon the perception that Frolov is Russian and therefore lazy.
I definitely don’t look at this situation and want to get rid of him because he is Russian. I actually root for Russian players because I think they play an exciting style of hockey, but it just so happens a lot of them aka Zherdev put forth half the effort sometimes. But Frolov is absolutely miserable and needs to get the f*** out.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
for what its worth. . .
Zherdev is having a pretty good season: 8 goals and 1 assist including scoring against the Rangers on Nov 4th.
its ok so far, could be better for him. I always liked Zherdev I thought we should have re-signed him, but he was asking way too much.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
3.25? he deserved that. than we gave kotalik 3. ugh
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3 mil would have been fine, I mean we gave it to Frolov and Kotalik. But Zherdev was asking for 4 or so. thats too much and I guess thats why they let him walk because they didn’t want his attitude or whatever. who knows he could have been a bad locker room guy. Whatever I still thank him for the 64 points he gave us in 08 09. people seem to forget he was the leading scorer on our team, tied with…………. wait for it…………… Gomez. lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
the heck with zherdev
he’s a waste of talent and the rangers dont have the luxury of being able to ‘hope for the best’ with him. if they were in a position like the flyers where it’s not make or break if he does or doesnt produce, fine. but they need consistent production.
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t disagree with you more. While I think Ranger fans who spend time on the internet know there are some people out there who are anti-Russian players, the majority of the fan base does not discriminate. Was Redden Russian? Higgins?
Ranger fans just want effort, regardless of your ethnicity.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 7, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really think Higgins got the same amount of venom that Frolov is getting (Redden is a completely different story, he was handed the worst contract in the history of capped sports). I think there is a tendency to just group Russians with each other, like people constantly liken Frolov’s probelms to Zherdev’s even though their skills and styles are completely different and the problems they are having as Rangers (or had) are completely different.
If that’s true then how come most of the folks here (if not 99% of them) wanted AA to get MORE ice time last season and think he deserves even more THIS season. Add to that a good number of folks think he’s getting demoted by Torts for no reason.
Nobody here looks at him as a Russian player who happens to be lazy. We look at him as a LAZY SHIT who happens to be Russian.
Right but you are calling him lazy, and I don’t think that’s his problem; he may be slow and for whatever reason infatuated with wrap arounds but I wouldn’t classify his play thus far as lazy. He’s more snakebitten than anything else, I don’t think he’s missing the net and hitting posts because he’s not trying hard enough.
The venom for Frolov hasn’t even scraped the surface of the Higgins’ bashing yet.
Alex certainly helped his cause trying to pass it with this interview, however.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well I normally don’t take much stock in interviews that were conducted in other languages, you never know how connotations and different words can get lost in translation. Frolov did say about an hour ago that he is happy “happy in New York, like any player wants to play more but understands.” Per Andrew Gross
It's not a fruitless dialog you raise, but Russians were much beloved on the Rangers (Nemchinov, Zubov, even Kovalev for much of his first go-round)
Lisin was certainly appreciated, albeit underplayed
No one is barking at Fedotenko
To echo sentiments here, it’s the lack of fulfilling glaring potential skill/output that is likely driving this site batty.
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You make a good point, I think I am more speaking to a general anti-Russian bias in the NHL media, I should not have said Rangers fans specifically. People like Mike Milbury and Don Cherry who automatically assume Russians don’t like to be physical and don’t care about team concepts.
Don Cherry annoys me I cant stand the guy
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have a good point
The main effect seems to me to be when a Russian player isn’t playing well, it’s assumed they’re lazy or underperforming in some way, instead of simply not being good for one reason or another. It actually seems like a similar treatment to African-American athletes (at least historically) who are perceived as more athletic/physically talented, so to fans/media it must psychological issue if they don’t perform up to expectations.
by yellomellojello on Dec 7, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Um no.
I think for perhaps the average Ranger fan that their outrage thrives a lot on the perception that Frolov hasn’t played well, hasn’t found himself on the scoresheet, and bitches about his playing time.
I think Chris Rock said it best, but I can’t really quote the whole thing for language reasons..but the punchline..
“Hi, I’m from Romania!”
“YA ROMANIAN CRACKA!!”
In a sense, no, hell look at the shit we give Drury on a consistent basis. He’s a local boy, the captain of the team etc. That ‘just because he’s a Russian’ baloney doesn’t fly here since most of the folks here think Anisimov is getting jobbed by Tortorella.
Russian Bashing
I, for one, have at times dropped the Russian sterotype. “No heart”, “Lazy”, pick your favorite slander. I’ll attempt, hopefully not too poorly, to explain my perspective. I grew up watching the Red Army machine dismantle NHL, north american and international competition on a regular basis. For me, those guys played some of the greatest hockey I’ve ever witnessed; and they did it with a mechanical team efficiency that would have made the Yankees jealous. Some of my greatest hockey memories were the ‘76 “super series”, the ’87 Canada Cup and the ’80 Olympics. Watching the 76 flyers and Red Army tie at 3-3 was widely regarded as one of the greatest games ever to have taken place, being notable for the performance of the Red Army’s Vladislav Tretiak in net despite his team being outshot 38-13. As the Soviet union collapsed and the Russian players defected, we got to see first hand the unbelievable work ethic of guys like Mahlakov, Tretiak, Federov and many others. In my opinion, many – NOT ALL – are no longer cut from this “team first” and hard-working, disciplined style of play. Just watching this years Olympics shows how far Russian hockey has fallen. The perception now, again my opinion, is one of a super-star mentality; Ovechkin, Kovalchuck, Malkin. Datsyk is a throwback to the old style, and hopfully Anisimov is as well. So, I think my “Russian bashing” is really a fans frustration in missing what used to be, and wishing to witness is again. Or maybe I’m just full of it, and couldn’t resist the ramble.
Blame Canada! :)
So close in that gold medal game…so close…
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As an aside...the site was pretty venemous toward Christensen after similar nutter comments, poor play earlier in the season.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
The funny part is he says thats not my game with the energy line. He is so right he plays with no energy and is almost as slow as Boogaard. I just can’t imagine what he would look like on a 3 year deal. I mean I watched him in La some and I really thought we would see more bad then good on a one year contract and last year was more falling out of favor with the coach and not playing prime minutes but I am shocked its this bad.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
yeah I thought he was going to score 30 goals here, boy was I wrong, maybe 30 wraparound attempts
by Archie Barberio on Dec 7, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Such an amazing disconnect with most of the Russians. On one hand you have a couple of brilliant 2-way players like Datsyuk, and then you have morons like this. If it wasn’t for some immense talent (Kovalschmuck for example, or Semin) or an amazing engine (Ovechkin), we’d have very few Rusky players left in this league of any note.
Just did a quick look at the season stats. Ovie is like 3rd or 4th, Semin I think 8th, then Malkin in the 40s, then Datsyuk. 4 notable Russians in like the top 120 of players (I probably missed a few, but it’s still an interesting point).
Torts gives wingers completely different tasks, making them work more on defense. In comparison with the tactics of Los Angeles, where I spent the previous seven seasons, it was very unusual.
He’s got to be kidding. Having defensive responsibility does not excuse your complete lack of any ability to create offense by yourself, NOT including wraparounds. His passing sucks, he almost never shoots the puck, makes poor decisions when he has it, and skates slower than a lobotomized sloth on Ambien.
I see no point in trading him since I doubt any sane GMs would give us anything-including draft picks, for him. They’d most likely want to give us somebody’s long-term contract for taking him off our hands. We might as well sit him or put him in the AHL and bring up a kid or an energy player who can at least bring something other than this douchebag.
The problem now unfortunately
is that Frolov just killed what little trade value he had. Who’s going to give up anything for a spoiled player who seems to think that he deserves top-line minutes even though he gives fourth-line production?
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Closer to the deadline plenty of teams will look at him as a way to boost their scoring slightly without having to give up much, I think.
I doubt he even makes it to deadline
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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 7, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Morons up in Calgary notwithstanding, did he have any value to begin with?
Only teams that might be interested were those maybe looking to add some scoring depth for a playoff run. But this guy didn’t add depth. Shove him under the carpet for the rest of the season.
I disagree
he might have had some value, or at least bring us someone back who might be able to make an impact (re: not a superstar, but a guy who can play at an NHL level). Not anymore however.
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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 7, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, maybe he gets us another Prust-type player, but there are only so many times you can get really lucky in a trade. (and let’s face it, Calgary got absolutely robbed in that exchange)
That's what I'm trying to say
lol. We will get NOTHING from him now, not after this little incident.
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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 7, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you waived him, he’d get claimed. So there’s value out there somewhere. It’s much less now, certainly, but it’s not zero.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Concur - my sentiments above near-verbatim, GEA.
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If last year was an indication, it gives a return of Jokinen and Prust.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t see the point of not keeping him on the team for now, his value has never been lower so maybe hope he snaps out of a funk or when Prospal and Drury comes back he responds to their leadership. Unless he was causing problems in the locker room (which I have read nothing about) I don’t see the point of just dumping him.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
speaking of Grachev, anyone know how he’s doing?
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
http://bleedingallblue.blogspot.com/p/new-york-rangers-prospects.html
mleetch/Mike keeps this pretty up to date.
you know i can take it, lol.
on the good side Grach does have 2 goals in his last 4 games.
by Michael Gleich on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.blueseatblogs.com/prospect-stats/
Apologies, it’s just mleetch has been running an advertising campaign for his blog that rivals Viagra’s PR team.
Yikes what is going on with him, I think its time to start worrying about his development.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
hysterical
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking about doing a little write up of my all-time NYR lineup free agent FA failures. Frolov is definitely part of it now as you said
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Oh that would be fun!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
My only quibble
is your overreach on the new system comment. Frolov said it is unusual, which you interpret as terrible. I think this is incorrect and misleading. After playing 7 years in a system that didn’t require it, it would be usual and take some getting used to. In fact, the next sentence he indicates he has adapted.
I do like the end where he indicates if the situation doesn’t change, he will think about seeking a trade. Classy.
My favorite part of the interview was this:
- Did you present any particular complaints to Tortorella?
- To me they’re still not completely clear. He asks that I shoot on goal as much as possible at every opportunity, even from the corners. But yet he demands that I loiter in front of the net, blocking the visibility of the opposition’s goaltender. I’m trying to readjust.
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Most of these quibble’s are just misunderstandings anyway. If what Frolov said is accurate, he’s looking for explicit instructions of what to do, instead of just reading the play.
That said, Torts should know Frolov’s style isn’t crashing the net. If he wants a net crasher, put Drury between Frolov and Gaborik and see what happens.
Drury between Frolov and Gaborik
I can pretty much guess what happens. Gabby and Fro bring the puck into the zone, stop inside the blueline and grab a smoke while they wait for Captain Slowfoot to catch up. I don’t think Dru has the wheels to play with those guys.
does he translate
“loiter in front of the net” with “Skate wide along the wall, around the net and gift wrap the puck around to the other team”?
and here i thought Frolov was going to make an impact
I didnt think it would be this kind of impact…face meet palm
you are not alone, remember the biron v frolov fan post (I think Buck did it)?
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well i thought Marty was the biggest signing
at the time…but i still had friggins as a close number two…now…now I just want him to go away
Fro hasn’t done much to keep his spot on this team-but would the rangers really be better off without him? I mean he has a history of 30 goal seasons. For a team like the rangers, whose going to be fighting for a playoff spot the whole season, having a player like this can be a blessing in disguise. In game 65, when there’s a 8 point difference between 12 and 6th place team, fro can come on fire and carry us into the playoffs, and maybe even carry tht momentum thru the playoffs…id keep him around for the season unless someone in Hartford can blow us away
by polishBLUE on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Frolov = Burnett
minus the contract these are two guys that have talent success and potential but continue to take steps backwards on NY teams.
by louielounz1 on Dec 7, 2010 3:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No way
Burnett won game 2 of the world series, and there’s a good chance we don’t win if he doesn’t pitch that gem. Frolov has done nothing of the sort. Yes, burnetts 2010 was despicable, but he was a vital part of the 09 run.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Dec 7, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way
Burnett won game 2 of the world series, and there’s a good chance we don’t win if he doesn’t pitch that gem. Frolov has done nothing of the sort. Yes, burnetts 2010 was despicable, but he was a vital part of the 09 run.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Dec 7, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what a dirtbag
ive been saying for a couple weeks to scratch Frolov and play MZA, now im really serious about it
Frolov is a bum, but what makes it worse for me is this interview
being a bum is one thing, but being a dirtbag bum that has a big ego is another
idk if i would even allow him to suit up anymore, the guy is a complete waste on the ice talent wise, and with our team finally being a TEAM for the first time in a long time, why risk the gelling of our team for Frolov?
he has a one year deal, scratch this guy and bring up MZA
Def can't hurt
To give MZA a shot at frolovs expense. Doesn’t have to be permanent, but we should keep an open mind. I really wanna see what MZA can do, and these seems as good an opportunity as any (barring injury)
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Dec 7, 2010 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh yeah
sure was a good idea keeping White over Kennedy on the roster right?
another move thats killed me
Hmm.
Not sure what to say that hasn’t already been said, I am never a fan of drama from players, especially hockey players (who thankfully don’t seem to have the flair for the dramatic that other professional athletes do). I think that Frolov deserves another chance to prove himself, getting more than 4th line minutes. If he wants to help his case he might want to make an impact on the powerplay (that is, if he gets a chance to be on it).
At the moment things don’t look good for Frolov and his NHL career, I tried not to get too excited about him when the Rangers signed him. I remember cheering when he scored in preseason against Brodeur. But he has not lived up to expectations at all… I wouldn’t be surprised if he is dealt or scratched to send him a message. In a way, it’s a shame, he has the talent to play in the NHL but he doesn’t seem to have the right attitude or work ethic. He is, in a word, an enigma. I couldn’t tell you what his ‘game’ was by watching him this year beyond the fact that he loves the wrap around and is capable of going invisible for long stretches of a game.
If he ends up gone because of this, I think the team will be better off because of it. Still, a part of me hopes he swallows his pride and realizes that he has played awful hockey. He can’t look at his numbers and be happy with them or his overall game, he has deserved to be demoted to third and fourth line ice time. Time to stop complaining and take it upon yourself to save your season and possibly your career Frolov. I for one hope you can do it, if not… enjoy the KHL next year.
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
i may be in the minority be to me this is more on frolov than torts. hes trying to change a players game to something thats not natural to them. sure hes had a pretty crappy quarter of the season, but hes a very streaky scorer and could get going at any time.
look at torts history with russians. they produce on other teams and than under him they collapse. zherdev was amazing before torts came, than regressed to nothing more than a 4th line player. Now on the flyers hes playing well and scoring again?
whats the difference? if you ask me its torts. hes forcing players to play outside their natural game, which is always a difficult task and usually results in confusion and lack of production for that player.
if you actually watch ranger games, they guy works hard. he looks unimpressive and slow, but he is working hard. stop calling the guy a scumbag etc. its wrong and shows your immaturity. you might dislike his game, but that doesnt mean hes a scumbag. you take a player who has ALWAYS played top 6 minutes, and he has 20 bad games and is regressed to the 4th line? obviously hes going to be put off by that.
and whats with anisimov? he has 20 good games than 2 iffy ones and is pushed back down to 3rd/4th line minutes. do christensen and stepan deserve minutes over anisimov. i certainly dont think so. AA works hard every shift, has become a strong player in all zones, and he is still pushed down to energy lines. why? IMO torts hates russians. guy has 15 points in 29 games, christensen has 11 in 28, and stepan has 16 points in 29 games.
under no circumstance should christensen be getting more minutes than anisimov. im annoyed with torts and his anti-russian agenda. ill tell you one thing… putting frolov and anisimov on 3rd and 4th lines isnt going to help their production.
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*torts than frolov
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Ill say Frolov deserves fourth line time, but I agree with you that Anisimov should definitely be playing with Dubi and Cally. and Christensen should be on the fourth line. Stepan should be with Gabby I guess lol.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
torts gave frolov a very long leash up until recently
you can’t keep playing a guy who isnt producing. end of story.
also, zherdev was not amazing before torts came, he was the same player as under renney, the only difference being he actually was held accountable for his play. also, zherdev has spent time on the fourth line this season with the flyers and has also been a healthy scratch.
to say torts ‘hates russian guys’ is relatively immature and unfounded. torts has juggled the lines all season long. anisimov has had a rough week, he’s on the fourth line, big deal. he’s a young player, he’s going to have ups and downs. it has nothing to do with the fact he’s russian. thats just absurd. stepan has been the rangers most consistent center in regards to all three zones of play. EC has believe it or not, not played all that bad the past week or so.
anti russian agenda. give me a break.
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by John Merrigan on Dec 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
not amazing? he had 50 points over the first 2/3rds of the season. he was on pace for 70-something..
and lisin is another example. he was underplayed big time.
my point with anisimov is this. he has had a very good season. he has two-three bad games and is dropped down to the 4th line? how is that going to help his production. when christensen has bad games he keeps getting put on a line with gaborik. drastic difference there.
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I think when certain players are allowed to do their own thing you get in trouble I think Fro played 3rd line and below minutes for most of last year.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I don't think Torts has an anti-russian agenda...
I think he has anti-soft player agenda. Torts has won a Cup. Frolov hasn’t won sh*t. If a coach is anti-Russian it would mean that he’s ignorant. Being ignorant means he probably wouldn’t want to see a difference between Czechs and Russians…yet he loves Prospal. I know they wound up having problems but it worked out in the end. Prospal played his way back into Torts’ good graces by turning it up several notches.
Frolov has no business bitching to the media – if that is really what it was. Translated quotes should always be taken with a grain of salt, especially when the languages involved are as disparate as English and Russian.
Torts knows what it takes to win. Somebody defended Frolov by saying that going to the net is not his game. You wanna win Stanley Cups? You go to the net. Hard. European players that are truly great can largely be separated by their willingness to skate into dangerous territory and get hit. Your Datsyuk’s, Zetterberg’s, Ovechkins’ : these guys go to the net. And (with the exception of Ovie) these guys tend to be on winning teams. Fedotenko was so valuable to his respective teams – why, because he danced around? No, because that kid has heart, and it shows.
So no, Torts is in no way anti-Russian. He’s not Don Cherry.
p.s. and please, I don’t want to hear anything positive about Nikolai Zherdev. Guys a ballerina on skates, a disappearing act, tons of talent and zero heart. That is all he’ll ever be. Maybe he can be passable on an elite team like Philly (it galls me to call that bunch of goons elite). But please, enough with Zherdev. You don’t win with Zherdev; you don’t win with Frolov………not because they’re Russian, because they’re bitches.
and lisin and anisimov? they get scratched/demoted to 4th line as well?
why? both play hard.
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Funny you mentioned Z
When Z was scoring I was still killing him because I hated his “game.” Fans were killing me and calling me senile. Well, guess I knew something. I saw the same thing at the beginning of the year with FroLoaf. I watched him carefully at MSG and he was awful. Snakebit? Nah. Higgins was snakebit because you noticed him but he just couldn’t score. You can’t be snakebit when you’re not noticed. Awful skater. Doesn’t engage during the game, etc. etc. etc. Send to Hartford and bring up MZA like I’ve wanted for about 3 weeks now.
see thats your opinion and thats fine. to me, if a player is able to put up 50+ points in 2/3rds of the season, and possibly finish with 70+ points he can play however he wants. just my opinion though.
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I understand and respect what you’re saying. But, was Columbus, the Rangers, and all the other teams that didn’t sign Z wrong about him? He’s not exactly lighting it up in Philly. Hitchcock gave up on the 3rd pick in the draft for a reason. Another great talent that is another head case. It’s a shame. As it turns out I would love to have Toots back on our team.
I noticed on Andrew Gross’ website that Anisimov/Drury were centering Dubi and Callys line, I assume that means the Battery line is going to be reunited thursday?
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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh damn, I always thought it was because they never stop working like energizer bunnys lol.
by CrazyRangerFan on Dec 7, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
That does help the cause.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 7, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
it better be.
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what i dont understand is why we even brought frolov in than. we all knew what type of player he is, and im sure torts and slats new as well. they knew he was a skilled player that didnt really get into the physical part of games etc.
why did they bring him in? obviously he wouldnt mix well with torts. we know by now those players dont mix well well torts. did they just assume he would change his game? what wer they thinking?
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they were getting pressure from the fans screaming for offensive help
it was like wen Minaya got K-rod because the fans were screaming for bullpen help
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