Rangers Analysis: Brashear and Voros Need to be Shown the Door
by Nick Montemagno on Feb 4, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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PrintIt was pretty evident what newly acquired grinder Brandon Prust will bring to the Rangers lineup after watching him in Tuesdaynight's contest against the Los Angeles Kings. He looks to be a tremendous physical player and clearly is educated when it comes to dropping the gloves and settling business one-on-one. Both Aaron Voros and Donald Brashear were also brought to New York, at different times, to do exactly that, but have failed; losing fights, not producing, and not making much of a difference whatsoever.
Listen, I realize that GM Glen Sather needs to dump one of Wade Redden or Michal Rozsival, preferably both in order to move on in the process here. But an easier problem to fix right now is the wasted space on the bottom six between Donald Brashear and Aaron Voros. These two combined consume just over $2 million in cap space on a payroll that sees the Rangers with only about $400,000 in wiggle room. Come the off-season, that wiggle room needs to increase in order to re-sign players such as Marc Staal, who are much more valuable to the club than these enforcers.
Donald Brashear, who is locked up in a 2 year/$2.8 million contract, has done absolutely nothing in his tenure with New York. He is rarely in the lineup, and when he is, he losses majority of the fights he engages in and has one point on the season. ONE POINT! That is pathetic to put it lightly and he has no business being on this team with numbers like that.
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I'll admit to the fact that I was willing to give the veteran heavyweight an opportunity as a Blueshirt at first. No, I was not happy about the signing when it originally happened, but as time passed I realized that it was worth a shot. Boy was I ever wrong. Brashear doesn't fit in New York, and quite honestly, the fans do not like him one iota. That is due in part to his hit that sent Blair Betts out of the playoffs in the 2009 Eastern Conference Quarterfinals, but even so, he has done nothing to win the fans over and redeem himself for that nasty elbow.
Aaron Voros is a great personality in the locker room, knows how to be a team guy, but the same thing was said of Chris Higgins- look how his situation turned out. With Prust here, the Rangers now have a more capable version of Voros if you will, and with that, there is no point in Aaron sticking around. I couldn't care less about who he is friends with or how attached he is to the city. The bottom line is that Voros needs to be shown the door.
Now the question of "how" arises. Well, GM Glen Sather always has the option of simply placing them on waivers. Then the possibility of exchanging them for draft picks in a trade. Choice two would be the best possibility, but choice one is more likely. This team is full of dead weight when it comes to the salary cap, and they do not need that hanging around by any means. It should be removed before it ends up costing them, and Slats has already begun that process with trading Chris Higgins (which I speculated a month ago) and Ales Kotalik.
Now he must step up to the plate and rid himself of both Voros and Brashear, in addition to one of Redden or Rozsival. New York is not a market that you are going to get away with failing as an athlete, and many past Rangers can tell you that. It will eventually get to the point where the fans hatred of an individual will reach such levels where the front office has no other option but to move him. Hopefully that is the thought process of Glen Sather with the trade deadline approaching in March.
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DB and AV are taking up space and Brashear is truly a waste of space. I can see Brashear being dump soon in light of a trade, however fthe only way I see Redden moved is in the off-seas via a buyout.
I have been reading some many articles about the Rangers making a move for Kovy and even if thye do not make that deal I do feel one move to improve scoring is needed. The team needs to keep the young players together and bring more up and have a chemistry built within the group that will lead to success. Too many players have been in-and-out of that lockers room the last 3 years.
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I definitely agree that Aaron Voros, Donald Brashear, Wade Redden, and Michal Rozsival got to go. The problem is, who will take them? If I was Glen Sather, I would trade Voros for a draft pick and put the other three on waivers at the end of the season. That clears up $13,000,000 in cap space. The only way we can get rid of all of them at once is if some GM is gullible enough to trade for them or offer colatteral, such as prospects Evgeny Grachev, Corey Locke, Bobby Sanguinetti, Corey Potter and Michael Sauer, and probably trading Dubinsky or Callahan.
The one thing that bothers me is that Sather allowed Betts and Sjostrom to walk away and signed the hated three to erroneous contracts. Why Glen?
In Sather's defense
We’d signed all of them except Brashear BEFORE we even acquired Freddy Sjostrom.
by Lunkwill Fook on Feb 4, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I actually did predict that the Jokinen trade
along with Prust would bring up some changed with Voros and Brasher. Voros eats up 1 million in cap space and Brashear 1.4, ut since Brashear was over 35 when he signed the deal even if he left his cap it is the same.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
if he retired yes. if he goes to hartford minus 100K, if he is claimed on re-entry 700K. maybe i doubt it someone would take the shot on him for 700K, probably the best hope the rangers have of actually moving him.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Considering the amount of money we've scratched this year
I’d consider it a win to just have to pay 700k to have Brashear play elsewhere.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
Including Kotalik it’s a ridiculous number
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention
Not to mention, it’s not like the PK has suffered without our precious 4th liners. They were fun players to watch but they were easily replacable.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I do miss colton orr
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Does he wear Tie Domi’s # up in Toronto now? He’s almost a reincarnation, without all the antics i guess…
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Betts & Sjostrom had heart though
Gotta hand it to the guys, they put in hard work. I’d rather see a 4th liner with a work ethic than a top 6 guy who cant backcheck.
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Plus Betts could have played ont he third line.
Voros? Oh God he played on the first line!
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Keep dreaming. No offense but I don’t think any of these guys are getting waived—as nice as that would be. Voros and brashear are possibly movable. Maybe we’ll get lucky and brash will just retire.
I don’t think Dolan is interested in wasting his money on buyouts and waiving guys when the garden sells out every night.
by jigblahdah on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Even if Brash retires
We’re on the hook for his money.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
One - not both
We need to hang on to one at least. Prust can fight, but he’s not a heavyweight, by any stretch of the imagination. He’d be dropped by a guy who’s 6-3 and over 230. It always helpful to have a bigger guy around.
Why do you need a heavyweight?
Caps fan here, just hopped on because of the game today.
But why do you need a heavyweight? We don’t seem to. We were the ones who didn’t resign Brashear. We don’t have a legitimate fighter, and we seem to be doing ok. The problem with big fighters is their role is limited, and in a salary capped world, that is somewhat useless. They don’t score, and usually only fight other fighters.
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
our team has really been struggling in terms of toughness, and just because we acquired Prust, doesn’t mean we should get rid of all the other tough guys. We don’t necessarily need a heavyweight, but definitely do need a bigger guy who can also drop the gloves.
Personally, I think Brashear is done – too old, isn’t effective anymore. But I’d like to keep Voros, because he has a bit more skill, and can still fight and stick up for guys.
My point is not to say that we need heavyweights (guys who only fight) still in the game, but that we do need big, tough guys who will stick up for teammates. I’m not satisfied with only Prust and Avery (both of whom are actually small) doing that job for the Rangers.
We don't exactly need a heavyweight
but Prust might add some grit, I can’t wait till Prust lands a few haymakers against Carcillo
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Amen to that
Everyone wants to see Carcillo get hit. He’s a tough customer though
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Waiving Brashear does not clear his salary. It only clears $100k of his salary due to the 35+ contract clause.
by Dave Shapiro on Feb 4, 2010 8:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Let's not give Prust the keys to the kingdom quite yet.
“Prust… looks to be a tremendous physical player and clearly is educated when it comes to dropping the gloves and settling business one-on-one.”
The instigator penalty against LA was unnecessary. I realize it’s one play in one game, but I’m reluctant to say he’s “educated when it comes to dropping the gloves.” That play might be an aberration, but the jury’s still out for me.
That being said, I already like him more than Brashear.
It was also an entirely bullshit instigator penalty.
If they gave that to every player that first said “You wanna go?”, there would be instigator penalty on EVERY fight.
by Lunkwill Fook on Feb 4, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
it was well worth it
how many times have our guys harrased memebers of the other team this year? If you guessed zero you were on the money!
It’s good to know that we have a guy who will get in peoples faces and drop the gloves.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Please - come up with a creative solution that can actually WORK
when writing an article on Donald Brashear.
It’s been posted and discussed numerous times, since sometime in OCTOBER, that the only things that can get him off the roster AND the cap hit are:
1 – a trade
or
2 – loaning him to a ‘foreign’ club probably in Europe – provided that that club pays the salary.
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Please - come up with a creative solution that can actually WORK
when you are General Manager of a major New York Hockey team.
We can post all we want; but the one who really needs to come up with a solution is Sather. Unless they want to turn over ownership of the team to this blog (I think we would handle it).
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Posts and comments like “waiving Brashear will clear his cap hit” or “let him retire so we don’t have to deal with the cap hit” are wrong. I don’t know how many times dbmaven and myself need to keep saying this.
by Dave Shapiro on Feb 4, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Sure Showed Me
Guess I should go back to Hockey College before I try and hang with the big dogs.
Cmon, its a Blog not a Doctoral Thesis.
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It is a blog
but it is also a place where a ton of discussion happens and it is frustrating when all you hear (and none of this has to do with you, or any one peron in particular) is:
“Just trade or waive Drury, I don’t get why they dont.”
“Just trade Redden, how hard can it be, just take like a 7th round pick.”
“Dubinsky and Callahan are scrubs”
“Just waive Brashear and take his money off the cap.”
Sometimes things need to be said by others to inform others.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
More than a blog...
I dont mean to devalue this blog; it’s been a great resource for me all season. But I’m sure there are some of us out there that don’t know all the front office rules as well as others.
I’m all for healthy debate, and I defend anybody’s right to disagree with someone’s opinions (its what the internets for). But however wrong or inaccurate they may be, there’s no reason to criticize somebody for voicing their thoughts in an open forum.
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
but I don’t think it was to criticize so much as to just inform. You got the blunt end of the stick on a heavy issue all season, and for that I am sorry. No hard feelings
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
None taken
Actually wasnt even my comments that were corrected. I more wanted to point out that if we really want solutions, we should be sending all these thoughts to GM Sather’s inbox…
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think Sather has an inbox
aside from the one he uses for cigars
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
oh he does....
….once upon a time i had his email address, got it from somebody off the old ny times forums in 2000 or 2001, i emailed him two or three times when rumors broke about the lindros trade with a passionate explanation of why it was a bad move including medical and statistical analysis
i took to calling him simba in a few emails after that in response to his “be a lion” comment in making that deal
shortly after that i started wearing paper bags on my head at home games
never got a reply back though
This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.
If anyone should be apologizing - it's me.
This is not the first time I’ve been “blunt” on some of the more technical matters of NHL things.
And it will not be the last.
I believe it is the responsibility of the site/blog “owners” to post accurate information. In this particular case, it “got under my skin” more than a little because, as Dave (Blue Seat Blogs) indicated, we’ve beaten this horse for a long time.
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I can understand that DB
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
"Dubinsky and Callahan are scrubs"
That elevates my blood pressure every time I see it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
How about Drury?
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Drury's a weird case
See my Jokinen thread…he’s got the 3rd highest ES goal rate on the team (slightly behind AA and light years behind Gaborik), and he’s doing that while playing some of the toughest minutes on the team.
But his special teams play hasn’t been fantastic, his PK has been ok and his PP not ok. He’s also our best faceoff guy and is the most frequent shot blocker among forwards in the league.
He’s not a scrub, but he’s been average at best this year. $/production -wise he’s a scrub, and I guess that may be what matters.
Dunno.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
2nd or 3rd line guys in my book
They need to put the puck in the net more in my opinion to be 2nd line guys or we need a line 2 scorer to take the load off their backs.
uhh what about me Dave
I can be a voice of reason too!
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
My bad Joe. Rough day at work. More pissed that if I had to guess, Kovalchuk goes to NJ.
by Dave Shapiro on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
ahh let him go to the devils
he won’t re-sign there, they are worse than Atlanta fan-base wise
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
yes u can joe, but on this topic even u the other day were talking about dropping brash’s whole contract next year thanks to prust, but luckily not anymore, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
it was one mistake!
Jesus tough crowd today :)
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree 100% we have to shed some contracts. I have a bit of a problem putting Voros and Brashier in the same bag.
Brashier is a waste at any cost. I think Voros can fill a role. He would be a fine scratch to bring out against Philly or when a player is injured or just needs a break. You compare what he brings at a price and he isn’t even close to our bad contracts.
Now don’t get me wrong I’m happy to see them both go. There are 4 really bad contracts, vorros would be the 5th.
the problem is that even if you would rather have Voros than Brashear
Only one of them comes off the cap if removed and thats Voros. Unless the Rangers move Brashear to the KHL, which was done by the Blue Jackets earlier this year
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
So, random question:
When did you think you would ever hear the term “defect TO Russia”?
by Dave Shapiro on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno but hockey is turning into soccer now isn't it?
what would that makes the Rangers? Probably Man United, they are worth tons of money.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
well we could be if we had money too
why if i were running this frachise without a salary cap we would win the cup ever … oh wait
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Man U are like the red wings for the past 2 decades. Glory Glory Man United! .. ok now back to hockey lol
by polishBLUE on Feb 4, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Football is a piss poor excuse for a sport. Full of pansy ass prima donna’s and criminals. And yeah I’m qualified to say that, im from the UK and this country rotates on it. lol
by bludgeon213uk on Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
By football, you mean soccer...
and if you think Sidney’s antics are bad enough here, in Euro “football”, there’s about 4 or 5 Sids on every team, everything from whining to diving to you name it :P
im a little tired of all the negativity against Voros. i know he has shortcomings (maybe alot of them) but give him some credit for doing what he has done lately. he stepped in there and pretty much became our fighter for a bit he stood up for teammates and tried to light fires. at least he tries
If YODA were to coach this team...
he would say “do or do not, there is no TRY”.
This team has tons of effort; just not enough talent. Higgins really TRIED to score goals. Kotalik TRIED to get the best seat in the press box. Drury TRIES to lead this team.
But what we’ve lacked all season is solid, consistent execution.
Although maybe Sather has a few more Jedi Mind Tricks up his sleeve.
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
hopeless for a season or two
There is little hope for the next few seasons. With the contracts of Drury, Rosival, Redden, Brashear there is no room under the salary cap. No free agents coming our way. They are untradeable unless for other dead wood. Their young forwards are 2nd or 3rd line guys, no scorers among them. There are no goals out there except from Gaborik. The positives are their young D are good and they are set in goal with Lundqvist. They had some good players in the world juniors that may help in the future. But the next few seasons look bleak. Sad to be a Ranger fan.
if we pull a trade for kovy and lose cally or dubi or stall (mdz, gilroy. grachev, kreider, stepan) you might as well as go back to the throwing ridiculous money at whoever wants to play here, sign players past their prime, and send henrik to a team that will appreciate his talent. a bad kovy trade equals thinking about rooting for this team ever again
yes
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
trade
Trading for Kovalchuk is a bad idea. You would have to gut the young players to get him and he’s not going to help this year anyway. I don’t think you could resign him under the cap so what’s the point. Just have to do like the Knicks are doing and try to add some young talent while getting rid of the overpaid dead wood. It’s going to take a while.
Question....
I thought that if brash retired the 2nd year he doesn’t plays comes off the cap..isn’t that what happened to naslund last year??
by klh2009 on Feb 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Easy man...
I’m sorry I don’t know naslunds exact age calm Down..I figured that of he retired he’d be over 35…no need for your girly attitude
by klh2009 on Feb 5, 2010 2:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Naslund was 34 and ~350 days old when he signed. 35,0 is the threshold.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
So I have this straight-
Humor me breifly and I will never bring this up again:
The rule says what exactly? The way it sounds; if you sign a dinosaur over 35 years old, his contract counts against your cap unless you have another team paying his salary? Whether he retires, or gets waived, the cap still gets hit?
Is that right? What about Injured Reserve? Does Alzheimer’s qualify you for the I/R list?
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
The rule is something along the lines of: At the time of signing, if the player is over 35 years old and has a multi-year contract, retiring will not provide your team cap relief. The player’s salary will remain on the cap.
This is why Laraque’s still being paid in Montreal :P They’ll be buying him out at the end of the year.
I doubt Montreal will buy out Laraque. A buyout really is designed for teams that are short on cash. It allows the team to pay the bought out player only a portion of their remaining contract. The downside to a buyout is that the team is penalized and has to take a cap hit for 100% of what is left on the contract AND it has to spread out a few years beyond the life of the contract, though I’m not sure what the exact formula is.
Go to capgeek, they have an awesome buyout calculator. Incidentally, look up the buyout for Rozsival and Redden and you can see for yourself why buying them out makes no sense for a team with tons of money like the Rangers.
(If referencing other sites in a post is frowned upon, I apologize in advance)
Montreal has stated publicly that they will buy out Laraque. There is a specific time for what the CBA calls ‘normal course buyouts’ – without looking it up it’s after the end of the season and 2 weeks before July 1 Free Agent Frenzy.
No issue referencing CAPGEEK – I did it earlier in the thread and we do it all the time. And their buyout calculator actually lists the 1st date you can buyout a player in 2010.
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