Potential Rangers/Panthers Trade Discussion
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 2:56 PM EST
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PrintI cannot stand Ecklund, but this is rumor season so lets go with the vague rumor he put out there concerning the Rangers and we like him can speculate on who is involved.
* The Rangers and Panthers are talking and it sounds like a mega deal. Right now the rumor isn't attached to any specific names, but sources are only saying "surprising names for both teams," and "A basic re-shuffle the deck deal." I could have names by 5pm if one source gets back to me.
Jim or Joe, call him back please, lol (certainly better than it being Larry Brooks as the source).
I go back to the idea i had a few weeks ago with Cally, Rozi, Girardi/Gilroy and a pick for McCabe and Horton. I know the love here for Cally and I love the way he plays hard every shift, but if a talent like Horton is on the table you have to pull the trigger. I have heard the Panthers in rumors the last couple days have Olesz, Booth and Horton all mentioned so they are definitely looking to do something and they need to make the playoffs after all the years out of it. Horton is out now w a broken leg but didnt need surgery and was said to miss a month starting about two weeks ago so he should be back at the end of the break or not long after. An added bonus to making a move on Horton now is that he has played significant time with Olli in the past as a winger or he could play center with gabby, but i would leave EC there for now. McCabe only has 1 year left on his deal and though a bigger cap hit than rozi virtually the same salary. McCabe also brings his big shot and some toughness to our d-core. What makes me nervous is the idea that "surprising names" are included though maybe cally is surprising since to this point Sather has refused to deal him. Have at it.
In other good news at least as i see it:
*The Bruins and Habs are looking at Souray...
No mention of the Rangers.
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I've been on board with this since you first made it up.
I think it’s more like Olesz is more likely at this point, simply because Sather already made a move for one center and with the 6 centers we already have, I can’t see making a move for another one (unless it’s Dubinsky in the deal and not Callahan). I hate Olesz’s deal though, 4 more years @3.1 for a guy who isn’t even as good as Callahan sucks, so hopefully it is Horton.
I love Callahan but given the choice of Dubi/Cally, I have to keep Dubinsky. 20-goal wingers who excel on PK don’t grow on trees, but they’re still more abundant than 2-way centers with 1st line talent.
Last note, would be interesting if Rozi + Girardi/Gilroy was traded…while McCabe covers one spot, you’re reliant on another rookie to cover the other unless something else happens. Maybe they also send Seidenberg (UFA after season)?
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they are trying to give olesz away so i wouldnt consider him a surprise name as deBoer has scolded him publicly. Horton can play center or RW and like i said he already played that with Olli so he could step right in to Cally’s spot and it would make for a huge size and physical line of Dubi-Olli-Horton.
Seidenberg would make a lot of sense for us as a stop gap and wouldnt hurt us long term salary wise. I think Sangs could come up and play 5/6 pair w redden for 12-15 min a night as the other 4 could easily play 45 min combined.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth
Here’s the other fountain of information, ESPN rumors:
The Florida Panthers are looking for a power play forward on the trade market, a depth defenseman and a tough, gritty player. But, he told the Sun-Sentinel, “I don’t mind paying a fair price for a player we’re going to keep, but for some of the rental players that are out there, some of the prices being asked are ridiculous.”
But the Panthers’ trading will depend on how they’re doing in the next few weeks. If they fall out of contention, they will shop Jordan Leopold and Dennis Seidenberg, who are both unrestricted free agents in the offseason. They will shop forwards Rostislav Olesz and Kamil Kreps no matter what situation they are in near the trade deadline, reports ESPN.com’s Pierre LeBrun.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
and to keep up with the nature of this convorsation
Callahan would NOT be a rental and WOULD be a player that the Pahters could keep. Just a thought, again it’s all speculation
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
yes, cally, rozi and gilroy all signed beyond this year.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
cally can be a pp forward and a gritty player. rozi is definitely a depth d-man. maybe they want to give up seidenberg or leopold instead of mccabe and i dont care if they take rozi it’s even better to clear more cap space.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Depth also could mean taking on an extra D-man, which lends itself to Rozi and Gilroy/Girardi.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sure!
Send him along.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
@ what point does Dubinsky do nothing and we realize he just is not a first line talent? Since Jagr left this guy has been a mediocre 2nd line player.
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At what point do you realize he has done more than nothing this year?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
More politely
What are you expecting out of Dubi that he hasn’t provided yet?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
On the radio show, one of the regulars (Pauly !!) said that Dubi will become a superstar.
While everyone admitted really liking Dubi a lot, he’s not going to hit “Backstrom” #’s. Probably top-end a sold 2nd liner. 20-24 G and 45-maybe 50 points. Hardly in the superstar category.
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it was a joke hence the lol. i think he can put up 60-65 points as a fringe 1st, very good 2nd liner.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
No – I realized that. Just saying that realistically, he’s not “superstar” material.
Problem this year is that he just doesn’t seem to be playing with the same grit/swagger/passion night in/night out that we’ve seen in the past. “Consistency”.
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smurf and i have gone back and forth on that topic a few times, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
full season and Dubi probably hits those numbers this year, and it’s sort of clear he hasn’t peaked yet.
Whether he does peak is a question, but talent is there. And of course, the peak for Dubi seems to be higher than that of Cally’s.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 10, 2010 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Word was that Callahan missed practice today
just sayin …
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smurf or joe,
didnt sather try to sign seidenberg in the offseason but just couldnt fit his 2.25 into the cap?
I recall such a thing, yes.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
i think so as well
not positive though
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bunch of stuff in the archives
I searched after I posted, because of course posting without confirmation is more fun.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
And above it all
If they’re not going to “tank” (and I mean, did we really think they would?), adding Horton is the exact thing they should do instead.
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well this kind of deal is my idea of buying and selling where you give them a shot this year, get better in the long term and sell off parts that hurt you all at the same time.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
exactly!
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
if it happens we will know sather is only a few months behind us since i think i first proposed this in like dec. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
beats us talking about selling huh?
lol
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
so cally, rozi, gilroy for horton, seidenberg? i would take it as it clears 5 mil in cap space next year without really hurting us this year and gives us a more talented top 6 forward who is locked up reasonably for 3 more years.
You know...
5m from the Jokinen deal, 5 more mil from this deal, Kovalchuk wants 10m….just saying…
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Kovalchuk doesn't want 10
he just didn’t wanna re-sign in ATL. If the Rangers signed him he would probably take 7.5 like Gaborik
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
im thinking like Staal money 8.25 as he has been better than gabby for longer and more consistent (points and games)
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well....
10m…assume M. Staal gets a 3m bump, that leaves 7 for Kovy. Dump Voros in the deal that’s 8. Need 1/4m from somewhere.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
now if we get dru to retire and/or dump redden in the minors we have real cap space go after bobby ryan or backstrom as rfa’s too….pipe dreams on steroids.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm..
I want Redden’s money dumped for Hamhuis though.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think hamhuis will get anywhere near redden money…4 mil tops.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah
But we can’t afford 4m without dumping Redden’s contract.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
ok got a crazy roster that if this trade went down would be somewhat reasonable.
sign kovy 8.25
sign hamhuis 3.75
sign staal 3.2
sign EC 1 mil
sign lisin 850K
sign seidenberg 2 mil
dump redden in hartford -6.5
bring up heik, sangs
forwards in order of cap hit: kovy, gabby, dru, horton, aves, dubi, brash, ec, grachev (could stay down), lisin, aa, boyle, prust= 13 forwards (12 without EG)
d in order of hit: hamhuis, staal, seidenberg, mdz, heik, sangs (probably need a vet)
cap hit total: 55, 464, 999…cap space 1.335 mil.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
So....
Kovy-EC-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Horton-Grachev
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Boyle-Drury-Prust
Hamhuis-MDZ
Staal-Sangs
Seidenberg-Heikkenen
Holy shit. I’d go to war with that in a heartbeat.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
win the lottery and it could be
Dubi-Seguin-Horton
giving Grachev and Stepan another year to take over for EC and Lisin and a year closer to dru’s contract being gone, while brash would be.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
you two are tickling yourselves too much haha
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
Dude
It’s an Eklund thread. There are no limits to the ridiculousness.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eklund typically refers to new stories others have shown interest in. Ridiculousness has a limit, because Eklund tries to maintain credibility.
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- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
he does? in 24 hrs he had 11 teams listed as the frontrunner for kovy and 3-4 other “mystery” teams?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ok..and leetch stayed under the cap limit.
Still works.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
while giving everyone market value and only crazy thing was dumping redden, which i think is reasonable. maybe the lottery was what was too much for him.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Trading for Horton and still tanking down to #2 probably does border on insanity.
Eh, who cares.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
ok ok, i will settle for nino instead, better?
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
We need one more step though
We need a coup to get you into the GM office.
It could be a Crimson Tide type coup, where you take over only until someone realizes Sather’s been locked in his own area and then his staff jailbreaks him. That should be enough time.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Alright mleetch352
I just picked this up off twitter:
@Dagoon44
Rangers/Panthers talking big Like Horton /Dubinsky big.
If you listen to the Radio show you know who this is – and why we now need to pay some attention to what’s going on.
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so i was on to something…score one for me. rather cally than dubi though.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
i would be much sadder to see Dubinsk go
rather than Callahan
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
Dubi’s a year younger and more talented.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
they would definitely have to take rozi for me to be happy and i really love horton’s game.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sather won’t include Dubinsky in other deals to get big talent so why include him now?
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"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
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Only way to get Rozie done?
I agree…same was true of Cally though, and one of them certainly has to go to get Horton.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
i would agree, cost of shedding an awful deal…any chance it could be atta girl wade? then while i would feel bad losing dubi i would still be happy. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
If it’s Redden, I almost don’t care what else they take.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
there is a huge difference between getting Heatley
and Hornton. Obviously heatley is more skilled but hornton is only 24 (a year older than Dubinsky) and has TONS of talent. It might be a litter different in the aspect that he would be trading youth for youth
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
also horton at 24, is locked up 3 years at 4 mil for a team pushing against the cap big difference than 7.5 and i believe ottawa wanted 2 of dubi, cally and staal.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it matters. Or, it shouldn’t. Dubinsky and Callahan are very attractive to other teams, but denying them only means they are assets willing to keep, no matter who we get in return. Trade talks about Dubinsky and Callahan have been roaming around for a long time, and for Sather to suddenly give up one of them just goes back on everything he has done, and makes me question what motivated him to act as he has in the past.
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Duby looks like Manny Malhotra to me
Good skater, blah blah blah, hasn’t actually done anything during real NHL hockey but he has all this potential. Dubinsky annoys me at this point more then anything. Skate in behind the net, never take a defenseman 1 on 1, go 20 some odd games without a goal, we get it. To me, Dubinsky just hasn’t gotten one iota better since Jagr left town, and I’m tired of waiting. I’ll drive him to Florida myself for Horton.
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Backstrom would be awesome..
But thats as likely as sather stops smoking cigars.
Heard the caps have already given backstrom a similar contract as ovechkin and are only waiting for a signature
Wow.
If that’s true (Backstrom locked up long term) I can’t wait to see the terms. He’ll be the 15th player under contract for next year, and they only have 15-16mm to work with. If it’s really long-term/big-bucks, they’ll be filling out those roster positions with all rookies on EL contracts or really cheap journeymen…..not exactly a recipe for success.
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I would get rid of Girardi instead of Gilroy (referring to your trade proposal) . They are both the same age, but I believe Gilroy has more upside and offensive potential.
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while i agree in terms of play two reasons i dont in terms of the trade:
1. florida doesnt want rentals and girardi while an rfa is an unknown in terms of contract.
2. trading gilroy would save another 1.75 mil next year on the cap.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i know Gilroy’s 1.75 mil cap hit hurts a little, but I think both him and Girardi don’t qualify as rentals. Like Callahan, both defensemen are “keepers” in a young organization.
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understood and maybe florida has more interest in dan because he is more “proven” on this level
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
think Girardi qualifies as a “veteran” in the back end?
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he has been here 4 years now right? 3.5 maybe, so yea a young vet.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
something about saying Girardi is a veteran doesn’t flow off the tongue cleanly yet. I would mark 4-5 years as the “veteran cut off”.
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"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
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which is why i hedged w young vet, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but i might have to quit when db and i take over for sather.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
roflmao
No worries mleetch. Even with the 2 of us I daresay we’re cheaper than Sather – and we’ll still make more than we currently do….
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lots cheaper and will make lots more. like i said just saving the cigar budget makes it worth it for them.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take less salary and more cigars…. ROFL
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that’s how we pull smurf’s coup from earlier, tell sather we have a special collection in a cigar room and just lock him in some sort of panic room where no one can hear him.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
And he'd probably buy it......
Think we could pull it off the day of the rally – when he’s already distracted??
;-) :-D
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nah…more like june 30 when he is drooling about much to overpay for someone on july 1.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Deskjob.
I’ve accomplished a ton during this thread. Alt-tab is my best friend.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
The best thing that’s happened to meetings in 30 years is the conference call. You can sit with a headset on, in your office/cube, attend the meeting, alt_tab between the PowerPoint Deck to follow along, and still keep up with threads like this.
See? Technology isn’t all bad…..
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the reason i mentioned redden above was that rumor about them being willing to take on maybe the worst contract out there right now in horcoff, well except vinny’s.
Redden certainly qualifies as a “surprising name.”
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
i think dubi does as well considering as rmc said the guys he has turned down trading him for, granted they were older and had bigger cap hits.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
Not with Sather’s new policy of trading for guys and letting them attempt to get hurt in their last game.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
well with horton specifically, already succeeded, lol. great day for the rangers to trade though since they dont play til tomorrow.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
My sources are telling me that Lundqvist will be traded for Vokun, Horton, and this and next years first round picks E5
db,
first order of business when we want to make a trade after we take over for slats is use the banter to leak it so the beat writers will mock and we can deny while driving up the price our assets. lol.
That, sir, sounds like a real plan.
Just devious enough for me to really like it.
I only have one request……
……I need to be the first one to tell Brooksie to go frack himself….
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I’m pretty sure, given the opportunity, Torts would beat you to it.
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- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
I was just saying…
as GM, Torts won’t be coach?
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- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
i didnt say that, just with his mouth cant have him in on top secret ops, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ewwww....
The Eklund link also says the Devs are talking to Hamhuis. Hopefully that’s one of the mega-wrong parts of his stuff.
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i could definitely see him as a fit for the rest of the year as they need to replace oduya, but i never believe lou tight cheeks will sign anyone.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Normally I’d agree – but given that he’s grabbed Kovalchuk, it appears that this is a “go for broke to get me-n-Maaaarrrrrtttttyyyyyyy one more cup”. If that’s the case, he’s not done yet – and I can see him going after Hamhuis to bolster the blue line.
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which means u do agree with me and maybe were disagreeing with smurf. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
weiss has a back issue and i am always nerous about dealing for guys with back issues and look how he has struggled w horton hurt. 1G in 10 games.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
2 years older. Basically the only reason for me.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
horton has played both depending on the other pieces in FLA.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
here u go rmc:
@TSNBobMcKenzie Lehtonen to Dal for Vishnevsky and a pick appears to be tentatively done, pending completion of Dal-Chi. Not official yet tho.
db mentioned how he thinks it might need to be a 3 team deal for pieces to fit and while this wont really be a 3 team deal it does involve 3 teams though slightly crazy.
Clb trades: Huselius (2 yrs 4.75 mil cap hit)
Clb gets: Rozi (2 yrs 5 mil cap hit)
Fla trades: Horton, Seidenberg, 2nd round pick
Fla gets: prospal, cally, girardi
NYR trades: cally, prospal, rozi, girardi
NYR gets: Horton, Huselius, seidenberg 2nd round pick.
Columbus has for a while been looking for another vet d-man, i dont know if firing hitcock makes huselius fit better there or not since i dont know enough about the new guy and his system.
Fla gets grit and skill in cally and prospal, girardi is a solid top 4 d-man and in a defensive system very good and can hit even if he wont clear the crease. Cally and girardi are both under there control and they havent added salary, they probably want to dump olesz maybe there are other pieces i could look at to make that happen.
We get a 1st line lw in huselius which allows sather to sell prospal without declaring selling, gets horton as a long term c/rw and seidenberg as a fill in d-man who creates a little space and another pick while going for it now and not jeopardizing the future while also unloading rozi.
forgot other cap hits Horton (3 yrs @ 4 mil), seidenberg (2.25 expiring)…prospal (1.1 expiring) cally (1 yr 2.3) girardi (1.55 rfa)
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Could work. I really think it’s Dubi not Cally – but they’re nearly interchangeable in this context anyway.
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well if the grit and play every night cally is more what fla needs imo.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Briefly … It works but I don’t see prospal moved.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2010 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont disagree but if he could get huselius maybe he does it that team wouldnt have secondary scoring issues, that’s for sure.
huselius-ec-gabby
dubi-olli-horton
by Michael Gleich on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly, that combined with Avery-AA-Lisin would be pretty deep (figuring the 3rd line gets suddenly much easier minutes)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 10, 2010 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and as much as we talk about top 5, that team makes the playoffs and could win a series or 2.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Offensively sure. Defense is still an issue but seidenberg over rozsival helps. Potter instead of Girardi would be an issue, but he hasn’t had a great year so maybe Potter can surprise.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 10, 2010 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well if u make those moves and are actually going for it, a trade for ur boy hamhuis wouldnt be a crazy move.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Sure but then you’re running out of stuff to offer that isn’t top prospects, which isn’t worth it even if they are that much improved.
Camp Tortorella - Where Vomit is a Mainstay
by George E. Ays on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well if u dont move prospal to fla he would be great for nashville or the pick they got for him…while realizing it isnt going to happen, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
My 2 cents on cally/dubi.I’d rather keep cally,more consistent,forechecking/energy/20 goals and he plays the same every night.Dubi’s got the skills to pay the bills,but he’s like a rollercoaster ride.
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That’s the best argument I’ve seen yet.
Still don’t agree, but it’s something.
Camp Tortorella - Where Vomit is a Mainstay
by George E. Ays on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didnt have time to read the thread, but
If the main piece we get is Horton, and we must give them either Cally or Dubinsky, I say we give them Dubinsky because that would be a direct upgrade on Dubi, and we still have all the heart, grit, and skill that Cally brings to the table instead of two centers that bring mostly there skill instead of grit, although Dubi does a lot of that as well. But then of course they must take Rozi.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions
from dagoon44
<blockquote>noupf From what I was told there was a lot of tire kicking going on. Rangers looking to dump contracts and it lead to more serious talks
this potentially makes me feel better as if we are talking dumping contracts one of the R&R sisters almost certainly has to be involved
he also calls turco to philly.
sorry, dont know what happened, but source was dagoon44 who db talked about earlier
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
I came onto this rumor thread late, but the more I think about it, I’m sort of hoping it will happen.
Horton for either Cally or Dubi is an upgrade. (Although I worry that Horton has been injured pretty often). Although Dubi has more size and probably more talent, I would rather lose him than Callahan – he’s so damn inconsistent and Cally’s a warrior.
If we lose Gilroy or Girardi but get McCabe or Seidenberg that’s an upgrade, although they’re both older. I hope we lose Girardi – I just can’t look at him after the Carcillo/Gaborik thing.
And if we can dump Rozival or Redden that would be unbelievable.
a broken leg blocking a shot can happen to anyone.
he missed 15 games last year 9 ankle, 6 finger
prior 2 years played 82 games each year
year before 11 games; 1 flu, 10 sprained knee
I dont know if we consider that injury prone or not. i think it is a good sign that none of the injuries are repeat areas.
by Michael Gleich on Feb 10, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
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