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Before you read too much into the title, I'm not about to ramble about the stuff we hear and think about every day.  My main objective is to bring back an argument that hasn't seen the amount of light is should in the past couple of weeks.  That argument is simply, should Torts remain the head coach of the Rangers?  This was discussed early in the year.  Too early in the year.  We were all disappointed at the "tease" the Rangers gave us and we were left wondering how the team is structurally.  In my opinion, every team begins and ends with the coaches.  In the thick middle of this is of course the players.  Since we have discussed the players numerous times, we know exactly who is on the team.  That can't change no matter how hard we express our displeasure.  So players aside, no excuses, how has the coach been doing?

How has Torts' tenure with the Rangers been?  In the words of our friend Greg Caggiano, a joke.  Torts never fit with the team.  He was the wrong coach to begin with.  Media hype had us and the hockey world believing the Rangers needed a coach with "fire".  The only "fire" I have seen is under the boiling pot cooking the Rangers.  Truth is, the Rangers were fine the way they were.  A team that made the playoffs four straight years, playing a winning style of hockey, for a coach that seemed like the perfect fit.  Once you begin questioning the team, you can't look back.  Last year's team was a victim of circumstance, and a bad run had us all confused, demanding for something better.  Changes were made, starting with the coaching staff, and tweaks were made to the roster.  We were given a box of chocolates from the organization with a note promising only the best from the changes.  Well, about a year later, we still demand something better.  If changes were to be made again, let's rinse and repeat, and change the coaching staff, starting with the head coach, John Tortorella.

So why has Torts' tenure been a joke?  To sum it up, he is responsible for the product on the ice, and the product has been a joke.  He made statements proclaiming his extensive conditioning would allow the team to continue running instead of stopping to take a breather.  He said his up-tempo style of play will produce more goals.  He said there will be no excuses, and his implementation of "everyone is accountable" will make the team, play like a team.  So far, I haven't seen anything of the sort that makes me believe Torts is the right guy for the job.  There have been a lot of problems with the way Torts has handled situations.  Unnecessary benchings and playing favorites when it comes to ice-time, to name two, has plagued the team.  Being 67 games into the season, it looks like he is nothing but a bunch of unfulfilled promises.

In my honest opinion, Torts is a good coach... for another team.  He has lost this team.  Nothing he says or does can change this fact.  I've had these feelings for a while, and I still stick with it.  I've been patient, but I'm too much a Rangers fan to continue to be patient.  It is easy to tell in New York when something just isn't working right.  I want the Rangers to make the playoffs.  Very much so.  I am disheartened at the sight of a failed season.  I am also disheartened at the sight of seeing all the respect gained for the Rangers, that took four years to earn, be thrown away in one season.  I am not looking for a change in coach before the season's end.  There is still fifteen games left, and I don't want the organization to make the same mistake it did last season by firing the coach at this time.  But regardless of seeing the playoffs or not, I believe firing John Tortorella is the right thing to do.  The Rangers need someone else at the helm, because the marriage of Torts and the Rangers has been filled with nothing but problems, and it should be heading towards a divorce.

So I say to you, the Rangers should fire Torts.  I believe this is the best thing for the team.  We aren't talking about players, who is on the team, or anything along those lines.  There are no excuses.  The man who supposedly has none, should know.

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If this were a normal organization

with an owner that gives a rats ass about hockey….Torts AND Sather, would be gone by the end of the season.

I think its probably the right decision to can Torts, he hasn’t exactly earned his stay. If the Rangers don’t make the playoffs…which seems real likely, its probably gonna happen too.

Tho I don’t think many will get their wish and see Sather canned. The Rangers will miss the playoffs 4 straight years under Sather…so I doubt he’s going anywhere unfortunately.

But I suppose we’ll be looking forward to a new coach next year. Yay.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

With Dolan, Anything (Or Nothing) Can Happen

Knicks fans had to literally get on their hands and knees and beg Dolan to fire Thomas. For years, us Rangers fans have been asking for his release and yet Dolan continues to do nothing. Fans are the most important part of a team, listen to us and get Sather the F out!

by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 11, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

u need an intern scandal first.

by Michael Gleich on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

you need the commissioner of the league to say,

hire donnie walsh you incompetent moron. pretty much how that happened on the bball side of things.

On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."

by inventor frank on Mar 11, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Truer Words Have Never Been Spoken

Trots was a failure. Torts is a failure. Coincidence?

by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

I’m just going to assume by “Trots” you don’t mean “Barry Trotz” and you mean “Torts”, and I’ll say this:

Torts wasn’t a failure. He took a Tampa Bay Lightning franchise and made them into a winning team.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Bryan Trottier

Don’t you remember when we had Trottier as our coach? And I’m not talking about the Torts of the Lightning, I’m talking about the Torts of the NYR

by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 11, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, my mistake. There are too many Trots’ to go around.

And yes, failures all around.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think all the blam should be on Sather, I think Torts never had a shot

that being said i wouldn’t be upset if he were fired, but as long as Sather is GM no coach would make a difference unless he was a guy who has huge cojones and can stand up to this dreadfull organization that dosnt understand a thing about hockey (or basketball for that matter)

by BluLion on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

BOTH to Blame...

Sather and Torts.
I absolutely believe Tortorella had a big say in the off-season personnel moves- from letting Betts, Sjostrom and Orr walk to the trades for Boyle and Lisin to the signings of Brashear and Kotalik, I can almost guarantee you Sather consulted with Torts on most, if not ALL these moves. Having said that, one would think that these player moves are at least mutually agreed upon before being consummated. I’m sure if Tortorella hated the idea of bringing in a Brian Boyle, for example, he would voice his opinion to Sather and vice-versa and that trade doesn’t happen. In light of all this, both the coach and GM need to shoulder the blame for this current mess we call the NY Rangers. I think it became apparent to Torts around game 30 or so that he didn’t have the horses or the right mix of players to compete with the big boys (Washington, Chicago, Pittsburgh, et al), hence the constant (and extremely annoying) line-shuffling, intermittent benchings, profanity-laced tirades, etc.

by AZRangerFan on Mar 11, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

This team is essentially the same team as last year. The core group hasn’t changed, if at all. And the group last year could compete with “the big boys”. Washington got embarrassed by us, to name one.

I don’t think Torts thought he didn’t have the horses or the right mix of players, I just think he lost the team. That is completely different.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

?

Essentially the same team as last year? The core group didn’t change? Have to disagree with you on both points. I’d say they underwent a fairly significant overhaul.

by AZRangerFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Sather's responsibilty here?

" To sum it up, he is responsible for the product on the ice, and the product has been a joke. "
Is Torts just playing the hand he was dealt?,Do you believe a different coach will make our team play better? or is this the talent that the players have? Did Sather screw up and expect more from certain players that they’d never be able to deliver,and never proven they could? Break our team down player by player,alot of mediocrity, that’s not their fault if thats all they’ve proven to be or are playing to the best of THEIR ability.

Si Vis Pacum Parabellum

by JM82 on Mar 11, 2010 2:08 AM EST reply actions  

We aren’t talking about the players. There are no excuses here. I said “Players aside”. I also said, “In the bulk middle of this (the beginning and end is the coaches) is the players”. The players do have a responsibility. They certainly do. Is Torts playing with what he was dealt? I think he picked his hand. The players are to blame because of their individual performances, but it begins and ends with the coach, and he hasn’t done his job, and that is what I’m trying to convey.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree+Disagree

The players are professionals and should be giving it 100% every night,no doubt.Sather is responsible for the players that are on this team,and had he made better decisions on contracts We would or might have more options,but he left us none,Torts has nothing to do with that,looking over the roster I don’t see many he could of had much of a say in,which is a maybe anyway,because we don’t know,Prospal? Gabby?, our laughing stock veteran defense was here when he got here,though if he did have the say in guys like Betts and Mara going,well then he’s definatley wrong.
My opinion on Renney is(cuz everyones talking about him now) no way no how,great guy but I can’t stand his brand of hockey,regardless of our “great” playoff appearances,I don’t think we’re any better off at all.When Renney left this team was crashing and burning,losing and listless,i don’t understand why people are entertaining the thought.

Si Vis Pacum Parabellum

by JM82 on Mar 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He isn’t working out, but what he said at the end of last year and the beginning of this year was true.

At least he had the guts to call out the whole franchise as being spoiled and not being well conditioned. Still holds true but at least he called out how lax the organization was.

"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"

by Calm Down on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

last year it was cool he called them out for it. this year it was his job to change that culture so it wasnt true again now.

by Michael Gleich on Mar 11, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

and we still demand something better.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Who out there is a better GM and a better coach that they can….and I mean….. have…. the ability to hire? If the answer is nobody……well, the point is moot. I am just fine with failing this season and getting a high pick, if the NHL is as corrupt and fixed as everything else, the best thing they can do is provide us a lottery win. A good NY hockey team is good for the NHL

by earthworm on Mar 11, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

jess rubenstein's idea is solid

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3356702&id=713704862#!/notes/jess-rubenstein/thinking-it-through/354628379262

red wings assistant gm jim nill as president, predators assistant gm paul fenton as gm, and windsor coach bob boughner as coach

not sure about boughner, but i’d trust the first two over sather any day of the week

This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.

by joereiter on Mar 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Tortorella was never the right fit for this team. Renney would have actually been a better fit but that ship has sailed. LOL

by Greg Caggiano on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

It’s never too late to hire Renney no? And yes I’m thankful for all Renney has done for the organization over his tenure here, but he isn’t necessarily the answer now, as much as I’d like to see him back.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

was watching the kings-blue jackets the other night

and they mentioned kings gm dean lombardi and co. did a meet and greet with season ticket holders recently, answering (some) of their questions as to where the organization was headed, what his grand plan was, etc

has sather or dolan ever, in the couse of his tenure here, talked to any fan group, or season ticket holder, never mind buying them lunch?

didn’t the organization derail the old-time fan club in favor of their own ranger country nonsense?

what else is it going to take for the everyday fans to smarten up and realize hoping for a 4 game playoff appearance is not the answer?

This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.

by joereiter on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Sweet idea!

I almost forgot that Torts signed Redden, Rozival and Drury to those contracts that prevented the organization from retaining or going after players with actual talent!!

by j0ehoe on Mar 12, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

you can say you don’t agree with my opinion, but you don’t have to be that way about it.

"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen

by rmc235 on Mar 12, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

here's a radical idea-

Mark Messier as coach, and let the fans own the team!! hah. Each one of us should have a public option of 1-5%. So if we feel that a player is lousy we don’t have to play or pay him!

Wishful thinking, I know.

Seriously though, firing Torts will do no good as long as Sather and Dolan remain. Coaches and managers will always be scapegoats for underachieving, overpaid veterans.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Mar 13, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

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