New York Rangers Season is Over; a Letter to Fans
Dear New York Rangers Fans,
With another listless and embarrassing loss tonight, at the hands of the New Jersey Devils, I think it is safe to say that the season is over for the Rangers and that there will be no playoffs come April. The Rangers desperately needed the win tonight over their arch rivals. They had lost three in a row and needed to find a spark and some energy. Tonight, the Rangers, yet again, leave their fans at a loss for words. Tonight, players like Brandon Prust and Erik Christensen outplayed the stars like Prospal and Gaborik. Lundqvist was absolutely brutal and the defense was like a sieve.
The Rangers must look to the very bleak future, and pray they can be bad enough for a good draft pick. It is that sad time when it is time to root for the Rangers to lose and teams like the Hurricanes, Islanders, and Maple Leafs to keep on winning.
There is so much wrong with this Rangers team that it cannot all be covered in just one article. I don't know where to begin. I was never on the Fire Sather bandwagon, and I'm still not--under one condition, and that is everyone going. Sather and the entire front office need to go, as does the coaching staff. The entire crop of personnel should also be shopped this summer. Girardi has to walk when the season ends. Words can not describe now atrocious he has played. I would say the same for Gilroy as well, and would not renew his contract. As for Wade Redden, does it even need to be said?
I would also hope that the Rangers seriously contemplate trading Gaborik and Lundqvist, more so the former than the latter, but both could fetch a very exciting return. Fans will not like it, but can you imagine what could be had for players of that caliber?
As for Tortorella, I would hope his tenure ends before this season ends. I don't care what anyone says about the roster being bad or whatever the excuse is. Fact of the matter is, he is not the right coach for this team. Never was, never will be. His tenure here has been a joke. His mantra of being tough has been a joke. His antics, both on the bench and in the press room, have been a joke. I don't like clowns, and if I did, I would go see the circus, which as of right now, calls Madison Square Garden it's home.
This article is really too short to describe what I really want to say, especially with a slew of expletives needing to be held back. What is yet to come will not be pretty and we must hold fast. Wanting the Rangers to just bow out and tank does not mean you are not a true fan. To all of you out there, I ask that you remain supportive of the team, but from a distance. Don't buy into what you hear from MSG Network or any Rangers related official. Don't buy the fact that Gaborik is healthy, and that all is well in the locker room; you are smarter than that.
We must now stand together and acknowledge that this season is over, and hopefully in a season or two, a new era of Rangers hockey can be ushered in. I will leave you now with this quote from George Orwell's 1984, because I think it pretty much sums up what the upcoming months will hold: "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever."
Sincerely,
Greg Caggiano
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i agree on most counts. i really am hoping for a high draft pick.
girardi could be a 3rd pair dman. altohugh to be fair he isnt playing with any caliber defensemen.
send redden to the minors, along with gilroy. IMO potter or sangs would do much better.
than i would sign volchenkov to finally get some toughness back there.
our offense has been pretty bad, but its our defense that is just atrocious.. NONE OF THEM HIT..
i personally disagree with trading hank and gabby. i wouldnt do it. we have them both for another 5 years. in 3 years or so with those 2 and a bunch of young hungry kids with a solid blueline we can be a contending club.
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Agree re management, but not the players
I have to believe that the players, Lundquist included, have simply stopped competing for Tortorella. Example 1: look how shabbily Torts treated Chris Drury. Now you can say Drury wasn’t having his best season but he’s a proven winner from little league baseball, hobey baker award winner, Stanley Cup winner, etc. and scored numerous clutch goals while with the Sabres. And look at his stellar performance and leadership on the Olympics. When you take a guy like that and throw him on the fourth line, how do you expect him to respond. Ditto for Rosival, Lisin, Anisimov and, as detailed here the last few days, Torts has absolutely ruined Avery’s game.
And Lundquist — why would you possibly want to trade him? Even if you got Ovechkin, I wouldn’t take the deal (there’s a reason the Caps can’t get past the second round — its D and goaltending; Lundquist can be counted on, bigger the stakes, the better he plays).
drury's role in the olympics, which he excelled in
was that of a 4th liner
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
by inventor frank on Mar 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
There isn't a conceivable situation where trading Hank or Gabs make sense
Anyone who thinks it does either a) doesn’t watch the Rangers b) doesn’t have the slightest clue about hockey or c) is writing a poorly thought out article to generate hits for their site. You have to be a complete fucking idiot to think that trading either player makes sense.
Shit, I don’t even know where to start. An elite goalie and an elite sniper (both under 28 no less) on an otherwise terrible team and you want to trade them? There is absolutely no gain by removing the top two players, opening two gaping holes on the roster in the process. The Rangers will not gain a comparable NHL roster guy in return. Wooo, another marginal third liner to add to our roster of grinders!!
Picks and prospects are worthless—why trade elite commodities for ones that are totally unproven? That is real fucking sound logic there!! Guess you guys forgot the stellar track record this franchise has in the draft. I don’t care if it’s Ken Fucking Holland at the helm, it makes no sense to trade elite players in their prime for unproven picks/prospects.
And if we’re dumping salary, what the hell would it accomplish to dump two players who actually earn their paychecks? If anything, you’d remove one of the big three (not that such move is even possible, which brings up another retarded point: you think Torts—not Slats—is the problem.) not performing players. I mean, of all the stupid things in this article, this may be the most absurd. You talk about shedding salary, but the problem is exactly the same with Redden, Rozival and Drury still on the books, regardless of the makeup of the rest of the team.
Please, next time you go to post a story, think before letting that shit spew all over the keyboard.
Trades
i disagree on trading lundqvist but trading gaborik is interesting. i still wouldnt want to do it but i understand the rationale. would u trade gaborik for draft picks or players? does anyone know the state of this years draft? is it deep? If so the bruins have a chance to really build for the future, shame its not our team.
by BlueshirtSadFace on Mar 11, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
Things are not that bad
I do agree, we need to sign Volchenkov. Need to re-sign Staal. Not sure about Girardi yet, but if we’re gonna let him walk then he should’ve neem traded at the deadline. As far as Gilroy goes I would give him another chance. He only played college hockey which is totally different from the NHL which is at a way higher level and a lot more games are played during the season.
Disagree with trading Henrik and Gabby. They are not a part of the problem. They are critical parts this team needs. Who is gonna be out goalie when we trade Hank???? Superstar goalies are not easy to find. Same with explosive scorers like Gaborik. Trading them away makes no sense to me at all especially since they are both realtively young.
I think that our team needs a few changes, but many building blocks are already there, so no need to panick. I dont see Torts being fired either, so we ll see what he does next year.
Obviously Redden and his conteact need to go, he is killing us in more than one way….
I’m not saying to just go out and trade Gaborik and Lundqvist, I just want them to contemplate it. You know, talk to other GMs and see who they could possibly get. Obviously I would deal Gaborik before Lundqvist, but could you imagine the return of youth and picks we could get for either one of them?
by Greg Caggiano on Mar 11, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I would also hope that the Rangers seriously contemplate trading Gaborik and Lundqvist, more so the former than the latter, but both could fetch a very exciting return. Fans will not like it, but can you imagine what could be had for players of that caliber?
You should not be allowed to post again.
Many people on our team need to go … but gaborik and henrik need to stay …
by NYR9320 on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
after reading this last night i started thinking about what it would take for me to give up Hank and came up with some teams that might be interested that i would deal hank to. Has to be Western Conference.
Chicago is the obvious one but i would want Toews and giving up Toews to get hank probably doesnt get them closer to a cup.
Ranger connection teams:
St. Louis (JD) – need for a goalie and have a series of good young players just breaking in the league. I think it would take at least 2 of the following forwards (Oshie, Berglund, Backes, Perron, Eller) and Erik Johnson/Pietrangelo.
Edmonton (Renney): this sort of intrigues me if we could get the number 1 pick and magnus paajarvi-svensson at least.
Other teams:
LA: Quick has shown a lot this year and is probably good enough for them, but if they go after Kovy in the offseason which is assumed i wonder if they would be intrigued if hank was out there. Quick with a package including at least one of jack johnson, simmonds, schenn would make it interesting.
I dont think the rangers necessarily should or will trade hank but some of those packages would make me think about it. Gabby i might be more inclined to deal because as good as he is and as bad as we are offensively this is a career year for him virtually in offensive and health as he is on pace to set career highs in all offensive categories and play the 2nd or 3rd most games of his career. Could he continue to get better for the next 4 years of the deal, possibly. He could also revert back to the minnesota days and miss 15+ games a year most of those years.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 11, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions
traded gabby defiantly makes more sense than traded hank, however shopping both around to see what they would fetch is intriguing. Hank on a team like the blackhawks would be scary, very similar to a team like the caps, probably give him about a dozen more wins and solidify a vezina for himself (as well as a cup).
As a fan i would like to see them win and get into the playoffs, however just getting that eighth spot and playing the caps in the first round is not something i could deal with (and i’m pretty confident the rangers couldn’t either).
getting a top 10 pick is something i could deal with after a disappointing year. look at the pens caps hawks from previous years, they were terrible, got the picks, built around them, and now (in the pens case) are cup winners and solid contenders.
if the rangers manage to go under .500 in the remaining games they will most likely solidify a top 10 pick. in this case i think they should do everything in their power to trade up and land a guy like tyler seguin. although its been projected taylor hall as the number one guy, seguin isn’t far behind. unlike hall, seguin is a solid playmaker who can score as well. he reminds me of niklas backstom of the caps the way he sees the ice. A pure goal scorer sometimes is easy to come by when you have a player like backstrom (seguin) feeding them the puck.
and if all else fails there’s always cam fowler, a solid defenseman who at the beginning of the year was battling that number one spot in the draft.
Wow.
I can’t say I disagree with nearly any of your sentiments, Greg. Trading Gaborik – akin to the Kovalchuk deal – would not be a bad move. The retun on investment could be sizable. Unfortunately – and despite his prowess – he will not win us many additional games since we, well, stink.
Conversely, I would not trade Lundqvist. This situation reminds me a great deal of the Luongo one, and we know how that turned out. Quite frankly, he’s the only reason we’re in most games, plus – as pointed out above – franchise goalies are near-impossible to find. There’s simply nothing of equal return we could net.
Tortorella should’ve been shown the door akin to Trottier’s exit a few years back. This was a mistake hire, and it’s time to admit it.
I don’t see the point in resigning Girardi since – again, as pointed out – the $2mil+ cap hit for almost comparable league minimum in half of Hartford isn’t worth it. I’d like to see Heikkenen get a fair shake, likewise Sangs. Gilroy has the tools; Tortorella is killing him. And Lisin, for that matter. Gilroy is overpaid for what he’s produced, but he has some good upside.
We’re an overpaid, poor team bogged down by underachieving veterans. Unfortunately getting out of this mess takes expiring contracts.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
no it takes the balls to admit a mistake and send R and R to the minors
do it before the CBA negotiations eliminate this route of ridding bad contracts,
by truebluesince75 on Mar 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
trading henrik is a huge mistake...
look i understand the rangers are in trouble, but if they trade a franchise goaltender, they’d live to regret it. Good goaltending takes you very far in the playoffs and henrik has proved with his olympic play and post-season play that he has the tools to take a team to the top. But he needs help. The rangers last year had no defense and no offense, same with the team this year. You can’t expect any goaltender including roy or brodeur to carry a team without any help. Look i guarantee you if the R&R sisters are gone (i know almost impossible) and you replace them with volchenkov and another young prospect in 2 years this defense will be exponentially better. As for the offense, im kinda at a loss with this…maybe with the money saved with the R&R sisters you can get a kovalchuk but then again i dunno if he’d work in new york. But the rangers main move this offseason has to be dumping those 2 terrible contracts (redden to the minors and maybe trade rosival to anyone who will take him). This is all much easier said than done but hopefully something gets accomplished this offseason.
1000+
I am not even a rangers fan, but when your team finds a franchis goaltender you don’t get rid of him unless you have somthing better coming along. Rangers should build around Henrik and Gaborik get rid of all the rest of the players and bring up guys from the minors as well as draft smartly and stop giving out max contracts to guys like Drury and Redden, ( Blather should get some credit for getting rid of Gomez’s salary and turning it into Gaborik)
by Late for Dinner on Mar 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Kovalchuk hasn’t been lighting the lamp in NJ. I don’t think he is the answer either.
by truebluesince75 on Mar 11, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
You create another problem by trading Hank. Its like trading a top-flight shortstop for an ace pitcher…you just open a new hole. I’m a firm believer in what Brian Burke said once…build from the net out, and they have the net taken care of. As you said, no top-flight goalie does it completely alone.
They can’t fix the offense in one or two moves, but I think the defense could be fixed since they obviously have some serious building blocks in Del Zotto and Staal, and some guys like Gilroy, Sangs, etc. who could be intriguing parts of the future. In short, I don’t think the defense is that far off from being a much better unit.
The key to that is trading Rozy, (forget Redden: no one will take that deal, the Rangers are stuck with him for the duration) simply because he only has 2 years remaining on his deal. You’d definitely have to eat some crap in terms of a return (and trade a prospect or two with him), but it would provide some much needed cap relief.
by NastyNate82 on Mar 11, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
The plight of Ranger fans and bloggers:
After Game 8: Stanley Cup here we come!!!
After Game 66: Trade Henrik Lundqvist!!
Pretty much sums up the season.
yes the season is over (been so for a while now) and yes, I would shop Gaborik.
The season has been over for months, much like Keith Richards has been dead for decades. The upper management should have known and shopped players like Gilroy, Girardi, Prospal. I would of been angry is they shipped Dubi or Cally just to rid themselves of Redden though. You don’t fix a mistake with another mistake.
I think Lundqvist should be kept as it has been said before, elite goalies do not grow on trees. And he will probably opt to leave after his contract expires anyway. Can’t blame him for wanting to win. Hasek did the same and Buffalo was a much better team the the current Rangers.
Trading Gaborik is interesting. I do not think you would get a guy like Toews in return (Chicago doesn’t need offense) but he line of thinking is correct. I would seriously consider a good young scorer and a good young and big defender, even one without much offensive upside if he can clear the crease and actually take the body.
Plus i still see Gaborik as a potential injury nightmare and I would inquire now before his body falls apart. He is 27 and how long did Foppa last before his body fell to pieces…30?
Otherwise, keep Dubi, Cally, Staal (still undecided about AA, I am anti-European players and their soft game) and shop anyone else who can give a decent return.
Good piece and I respect you posting your opinion knowing the backlash it would incite.
Let’s go draft pick!
by truebluesince75 on Mar 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions
Im pissed..............really pissed.
Sather had an oppurtunity to make certainmoves at the deadline to improve this team for the future and did not take advantage. He had a chance to unload some expiring contracts for VALUABLE draft picks and did nothing! He could have gotten rid of Prospal, Jokenin, and Girardi and decided to kep them cuz th Rangers were in they’re usual spot of hovering around the final playoff seed and figured lets go for it. Now I do realize he could have traded away more young talent and did not……(thank god for that!!) But that doesnt change the fact that we could have acquired more young talent to which build off of. Sather has proved time and time again that he doesnt have the pulse of this team and doesnt realize what they can and cannot do. Bottom line is he should have been fired a very long time ago for the moves he has made and now he should be fired for the moves he hasnt……………..
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions
you don't know what marching orders he gets from dolan
after the firesale in 04 and the ensuing backlash, maybe dolan has put the kibosh on mid-year trades of stars. that hypothetical pretty much typifies how dolan has operated on the knicks side of things.
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
by inventor frank on Mar 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i find it funny that player like callahan and dubi are deemed “untouchable” but players like gaborik and henrik are not…im not saying everyone feels this way…but gabby and henrik are all-stars who you build around while right now dubi and cally are 2nd line players (at best)…i understand you get a greater return for the “all-stars” but you take a huge risk trading them away for unknown entities like draft picks and young prospects
I for one hope the rangers don’t go for a major overhaul…They’ve done that way too many times and it hasn’t gotten them anywhere…they need to develop some chemistry…they’re fairly young, let them develop. These are the moves i make this summer:
1) obviously get rid of redden and rosival (if sather cares about this team at all he will dump redden in the minors)
2) resign staal and trade the rights of girardi for something substantial (a pick maybe) or just let him go
3) sign volchenkov (depends on getting rid of the bad contracts and if he wants to come here)
4) bring up a defensive prospect and sign a 7th veteran dman
5) sign prospal (for hopefully the same price for one year only) and christenson…Let sex panther go unless he takes a massive pay cut (3mill max…again depending on R&R gone)
I personally just wanna see the rangers develop a personality or identity. This is what i thought torts would bring, a fiery hardworking team. Some nights they play that way but other nights (most nights) they just don’t show up. I hope torts gets one more year to make his imprint on this team.
torts needs to go, the sooner the better. he has consistently shown he has no clue what the hell is doing. his “toughness” is only shown against young guys like lisin and reporters at press conferences.
and, his system has proven it does not work with the current personnel (and the current personnel will be the personnel for some time here in ny). i would go as far to say his system doesn’t work in the new nhl (it was great pre-lockout, but his record post lockout: not so much.)
torts, for all his hype, has done nothing. no accountability or toughness on the team, and the even bigger problem, no goals. this team is the same team as it was under renney: soft, and offensively inept. obviously it’s more the personnel than the coach, but bottom line, if we miss the playoffs, time to go torts
LETS GO RANGERS
by sloppyseconds on Mar 11, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so Sather gets to fire ANOTHER coach?
How many coaches does Sather get to hire and then fire b4 he gets the hammer himself? Torts def gets to shoulder some blame but if he goes Sather has to go with him just like in 99’ with Neil Smith and John Muckler………..if your gonna let the coach go you have to clean house…………………theres no other way.
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 11, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Callahan and Dubinsky. I thought that went without saying. No one in this organization is untouchable.
by Greg Caggiano on Mar 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hate is a strong word.
How can you hate Callahan though?
Great effort, great heart. Hits/PKs. His shorthanded breakaway goal agaisnt the Caps this season just expresses everything I love about Callahan.
I don’t need to re-hash his strengths.
We both know he isn’t a pure goal scorer but even if you don’t like his playstyle, how can you not admire someone who obviously leaves it all out there on the ice night in and night out?
+1 or 2 if you're counting
Completely agree. The kid show’s so much heart. Doc and Enzo couldn’t stop raving about this play in Vanc. He constantly puts himself in every play he can.
And Dubi is having the best season he has had. His number would be even higher if he wasn’t out for those 3 weeks with a destroyed hand.
how can u say that no one in this organization is untouchable…you need a core to build around and the rangers have pieces of that core with callahan dubinsky, staal and lundqvist…the rangers need a pure scorer to put callahan and dubinsky around and make them better players and it helps if your coach keeps lines together for more than five minutes
agree/disagree
totally agree about trading gabby. his return would be a couple of nice picks and/or possibly a good prospect or two. he has been excellent for us, but we need to consider a few things:
1) we have been lucky with his health. only a matter of time until his groin acts up aga…o wait, it already did, right in the middle of our hunt for the playoffs.
2) he has 35+ goals. whoopee. the rest of the team is still dreadful.
3) the team as a whole has been BETTER offensively without him than with him. its the jagr complex: when gabbys on the ice, everyone just sits on their ass and hopes he does something. without him, they all work hard and pick up the slack.
4) WE ARE NOT WINNING ANYTHING IN THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS. PERIOD. this franchise is aiming for the future, even sather is (hence his not trading anything at the deadline. didn’t sell for picks/prospects cause he actually thought we had a chance for the 8th seed. damn you sather and your ineptitude).
so trading gabby makes perfect sense. in the future, we will see grachev, AA, kreider, werek, stepan, MDZ, staal, and other young’uns we pick up (from the gabby deal, trades, and the drafts) holding it down.
LETS GO RANGERS
now trading lundqvist strips the team of any heart and competitiveness (and talent for that matter) this team has. hank is the rangers, and it would be absolutely asanine to entertain any offers for him. without hank, this team doesn’t win more than 15 games. he is the heart and soul of this team. an absolutely ridiculous offer would have to be made for me to even consider it (ovechkin, backstrom, green, and semin sounds about right). if this team trades lundqvist i cease to be a fan of this awfully-run organization.
LETS GO RANGERS
by sloppyseconds on Mar 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I love how
all of you are bagging it… Talking about trading one of the best goaltenders in the league and wanting a high draft pick… You do realize that your only down by 3 points right? Trailing Boston who now lost Savard for some time now…..
by RolliePollieKovy on Mar 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions
why would you trade a commodity that every team is dying for. There are VERY few elite goaltenders that come and go in the nhl and we have one. Renney had the right idea, build from the net out, with players AND play style. Renney knew how to exploit his best players and we never missed the playoffs.
Trading Henrik?
No, just no. Coleko got ripped apart for that view, it should have never been brought up again, it’s just simply ridiculous. You can say whatever you want about the teams effort and gameplay, but this is a team that you really don’t have a clue about how they are going to play any given day. Everyone has always been so quick to put this team in a certain category. First month of the season and we’re Championship contenders, next month we’re speculating the concept of tanking or trading away prospects.
I’m not saying the Rangers are a playoff lock, truth is this roller coaster ride isn’t over yet. We need to just let the rest of the season play out and stop declaring their fate already.
I’m sure all is not all well with the Bruins fans knowing they’re without Savard the rest of the season. Meanwhile they were a powerhouse last year and are now hanging on to a low seed playoff berth this year. The Thrashers traded their superstar away for whom we all assumed a bag of pucks and this team is pulling together to put themselves in position for a playoff berth. No one knows what’s going to happen in this league.
Hank and Gabby are part of the solution
If the Rangers trade Hank and Gabby…they still have Dury, Rozi and Redden..aka the real problems with the Rangers (and Girardi…).
So if you think about it…..all we’d be doing is getting a bunch of youngsters, but getting rid of a top 5 goalie and scorer.
I’d love to see Sather go….don’t really care about Torts at this point, trading Hank and Gabby would quite possibly be the dumbest thing we could possibly do.
…unless we could get a team to take Redden, Rozi or Drury with either of these trades. Cuz these three are the real problem (they’re making 4x as much as a player their caliber should be making.
Master of the squeegee
and do you think a team would take on Hank or Gabby’s contract as well as take on Rozi or Redden’s?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
CAROLINA AND COLUMBUS WON TONIGHT!!!!!!
Islanders gained a point by losing in a shootout.
So all in all, tonight was a good night.
----Warner----
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by Scent of a Woman on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions
tampa also gained a point while montreal and boston both moved 2 points further away from us.
3 pts from the 4 pick right now.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
KNow that I think about it...
Hank is certainly not getting any sharper, in fact it appears he may be getting worse the last two seasons as time has gone by. Look at Ryan miller keep his team in every game and then some. We could probably get 2 1st rounders and a damn good player for the King. And Gabby’s value just went up because he survived a full season (knock on wood) and performed up to susperstar fashion. Another 2 first rounders and ?? I absolutely love gabby but he’s still a very risky hit or miss asset. If he gets hurt bad we are screwed my friends. We could get a lot of stuff in return for those two and we’d be foolish to not consider our options. I’m not sure but I think that cambell goalie will still be available to us in the draft. He looked pretty good to me. I have no clue if my trade values are right but with 6 first rounders in two drafts we could look like the penguins pretty quickly.
"not getting any sharper"?
that is ridiculous, the guy’s twenty-fu**ing-eight! what’s happenned to this world? hank’s the main reason we’re still in it.
and oh yeah, he really sucked against the caps in the playoffs last year, really sucked…
Trade hank now. then move the team to philly. then shoot me in the heart.
by #17ToTheRafters on Mar 12, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
1. The boys still have decent chance of making the playoffs, so this is way to soon to write them off. you generally shouldn’t be making statements like that with 30 points still up for grabs.
2. since most fans here have wet draft dreams at night, why don’t we really trade hank. the 1st pick will naturally arrive next season.. (they’re struggling with an elite goalie, imagine this team without one)
3. i thought the boys looked good offensively against fatso and the devils. EC, Vinny and Dubi were a step ahead of every devil. its defense lost that game. girardi had an awful night, MDZ was even worse, he really looked like a rookie. i can’t recall MDZ playing a worse game (both defensively and on the PP) in his short carreer. i thought hank gave up 1 bad goal. that’s still within his 2-or-less GAA.
not feeling it dude, gotta stop hating.
by #17ToTheRafters on Mar 12, 2010 1:59 AM EST reply actions
I hear what your saying.
He just doesn’t look as good to me as he once did. He’s been pulled an awefully lot this season, even when they give him “his rest” to try to keep him at his best he’s hit or miss. Don’t get me wrong, I love Hank a lot too and the chances of trading him in the near future are slim to none, especially with the back-up situation we’ve had this year. I KNOW THAT. I’m just looking at what we could get in return since it was brought up and worth discussing. The team needs a major overhaul from the top down. relax…. It will never happen ok.
I think you have to look at the shape of the D and whats been going on all season. First off Hank getting run over a dozen times. That can’t help him out. How are you supposed to focus on the puck and try to not get drilled into the net at the same time? So thats one strike against the D not on Hank. Secondly the overall terribleness of the D. I mean you can only do so much as a goalie, strike 2. He has been pulled allot and I’d say it’s our overall team defense leaving him high and dry. With Renney you had a defense first system now we are trying this hybrid up tempo sytem thats not really working out, thats the last strike. Also he hasn’t had a break, he’s pretty shot/frustrated at this point. If I was Hank and this doesn’t shape up next season, I’d ask for a trade. I wouldn’t blame him at all. He loves this city and team and he’s bailed this team out more than I’d care to note. It will be a sad day when he goes.
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by fromthe51hate on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
you know whats pathetic about this defense
i feel like our defense has maybe taken one slapshot all year…how many time have you see the defense take a weak wrist shot, it gets blocked and the other team goes down and scores a goal on an odd man rush…what this defense needs is some balls…i would love to see beukeboom as a special defensemen’s coach…maybe he can teach some of these kids to grow a pair
Consider Trading Lundy and Gabby
I am with you on this one Greg…
Dont get me wrong, I love Lundquist..my favorite Ranger of all time next to Leetch. And Gabby is a pure scorer, something we have never had. I think the opinion on this depends on your answer to this question : How far off is this team from being a contender…1 yr, 2yrs, 3yrs+ ? My answer to it is 3yrs+.
As you all know, our real problem is the Drury, Redden and Rosival contracts. Its’s obvious we cant dump those players on anyone. If Drury was not tradeable after vancouver, he will never be tradeable. We have appx 60% of our salary in our top 5 paid players – and 3 of them have 0 trade value and are not worth anywhere near their salaries. They wont be waived or bought out as some have suggested…Dolan wont just throw 4 million a year in the trash. We are stuck with them for the duration of their contracts whether we like it or not. That being said, we will never contend if we can only pay the rest of the team the other 40%. As long as that is the case, we cannot contend and will be no better than a first round playoff exit at best.
So Gabby and Lundy are are in their prime (28) and are tradebale. Both expire in 2014 which is a long way off, so that gives us 4 years to contend. Trading them now will do two things. 1. Shed Salary. Unfortuantely because we cant move the others, they have to go. 2. Bring in propects to take the reigns when all the bad contracts expire. I think each can fetch a first rounder, plus two high end prospects or great young players (like Toews).
Plus, Gaborik’s Injury history scares me. We all knew he would get hurt in Vancouver, it was bound to happen. And Hank cannot sustain being in a shooting gallery night in and night out. He is eventually going to wear down.
The front office needs to be gutted, from Sather down to the coaches as well. I dont think any coach will get a fair chance with the current roster, but Torts isnt the guy for a rebuilding process. Actually, Renney is the perfect coach for that. And they need a young GM, more in tune with the Salary Cap …Sather is old school and thinks you can still go out and sign a role player for 8 million or a goon like Brashear for 2 million.
I dont think ANY of this will happen, because ultimately the garden sells out every game, and this means Sather is doing his job.
Lundqvist & Gaborik
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Nobody wants to get rid of the two best players on the team. I would shop them to see what they would bring and if they don’t bring a lot, I would not do the deals. There would have to be a great return in the form of established young players, not draft picks. And the deals would have to include the contracts of Drury, Rosie and Redden. We simply cannot be competitive until those contracts are gone. A team like Chicago is absolutely loaded with young stars, but there is no established goalie. The Caps are similar. Why not test the market and see what they would bring? We are not winning with them. No other Ranger has sufficient trade potential to solve our problems on offense or defense.
what?
Why trade two guys who are proven talent to POSSIBLY get players who aren’t established at all? You rid yourself of capable guys in their prime on a gamble. Unfortunately, crosby and ovechkins only come so often, so banking a trade on the dream that the rangers, of all teams, would get a stand out youngster is ridiculous. We’ve all seen the draft history and it isn’t magical. You’re willing to trade those two guys just so our management can screw up the next two or three young guys and then most likely trade them away because they’re duds? insane
it does...
yet, the truth is not what you speak.
Boycott the Garden for games…no problem.
Trading Gabby would possibly have some merit. Even that would mean taking a step or 8 back.
But great goalies don’t grow on trees. The Penguins..even with Cindy and Malkin…wouldn’t win a damn thing without MA Fleury.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
The entire organization needs to find an identity. What are the NY Rangers? Players on the Devils, the Red Wings, the Sabres know what type of organization they are in from day one. Either as a FA or a draftee, the organization is drilled into them. Even when coaching changes are made, the team philosophy remains the same, rather than changing every couple of years (we were close to building something in the Reney era). Thats what we need to find is an identity and put management in place to fit that.
have you lost your mind? Trading Henry or Gabby, the only two exciting players on this team, is madness. You have those tools to build around….now do it NYR. Your not going to replace those two with better players so it is. They pretty much give you everything they have every game…..you just need to surround them with the right players. Cally is one, Arti is another. Getting rid of them is not the way to succeed…..it would send us back into the stone age for like 6 or 7 yrs
"....it would send us back into the stone age for like 6 or 7 yrs ..."
This team needs to…year after year our GM’s make mistake after mistake…and we are constantly patching the team together with overpaid veterans…that needs to stop. The only way to do it would be to clean house and start from square one with youth and a new front office.
Yes, we have tools to build around NOW… a sniper and a stud in net… but we dont have the $$$ resources to give them the tools they need to compete…not with the anchor around our neck of those 3 bad contracts which obviuosly arent going away. I dont think this team will be any better for the next 3+ years. By that time their primes will have passed and they will be average players. Unfortunately, its poor management and bad timing.
So why not get some 19 year old guys in place on the farm that will be able to make an impact in 2-3 yrs from now when the trash has been removed? Really, does any one who watches this team think they are anywhere near being a contender in 2011? 2012? 2013?
In 2014, do we think Lundquist will still be playing world class hockey, or will he be an average or above average goalie? I cant see the future, but can only look to the past,,,most goalies break down around that age. You get the occasional brodeur or hasek, but they are rare.
If Redden man’s up and does what Naslund did…retire in the off season, that may change things for the franchise. But really is he going to give up the 25 million he is still owed? Thats a wing and a prayer…
Lundquist has been spectacular for a couple of years now, and where has that gotten us? Some early round exits and probably no playoffs this year. Not his fault, he cant do it alone and there is no help on the horizon.
Contracts
It doesn’t even matter what you think about trading either Gabby or Hank b/c very few teams can afford either of their contracts.
How are we still debating trading the King?
Sure let’s trade the Beezer, stick Froese in net. Better year, Richter…giving the reigns to Glen Healy. Apologies for the sarcasm, but I’m shocked this is still being considered.
One quick look at the Bruins is all that is needed to justify why a franchise goalie is, well, The Franchise.
Trading a top scorer, however, is another story. Still…and sitting on this thread for several days…dumping the only high cost + productivity contract we have is robbing Peter to pay Roszival. Let’s not cut off or noses to spite our face.
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