Lines for Tonight With Sean Avery Benching
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 1:10 PM EST
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PrintNote By Joe Fortunato: Sorry for the delay. Awesome story Leetch so I'm bumping it up. By the way if anyone ever questions my determination to this site, I'm 15 minutes of of a medical procedure (I'm fine). Only for you guys though, because you're the best. Onto Leetch:
According to the beat crew the lines based on practice and the Avery scratch appear to be
Vinny-Joker-Gabby
Dubi-AA-Cally
Prust-EC-Dru
Shelley-Boyle-Lisin
Now I expect that there will be a lot of outrage at Aves getting scratched tonight and to an extent I can see why that would be but there also needs to be a realization that Aves has not consistently brought the energy and effort this year and whether you want to blame that on Torts or not (im sure many will) it doesnt matter because tame Avery isnt helping this team win. Just as frustrating for me is that Lisin finally gets back in to play with Boyle and Shelley, might as well play Voros there as at least he would fit in cause that looks like an SAT question of which doesnt belong here.
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but thats for putting this up, I was out of it all day so it’s ok.
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by Joe Fortunato on Mar 12, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
ha, i only did this because i remembered fan shots where i mentioned aves getting scratched dont get seen much so i figured i better do a fanpost so people would know, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think blaming Avery’s ineffectiveness on Torts is a bit silly.
Not only is it pure speculation (we have no idea what has been said between the two), but honestly, what do you think Torts has said? “Don’t play your game”? Probably not – he’s probably kept it to “if you take stupid, useless, and detrimental penalties, you’ll be benched”. To be real, I agree with that message.
If Avery cannot be effective, without taking penalties, then he’s not a player I’d like on the team long term. He should be able to find a way to take the other teams off their game without taking stupid penalties.
It seems to me, that maybe Avery has taken his incident with Dallas quite seriously, and more than anything, that may have changed his game. It must feel pretty awful for your team to say, midseason, “we don’t want you here”. Not just the front office, but the players and coach as well. He must realize that he effed up. And that’s probably had an impact.
Also, he seems a bit lost to me… like he’s not sure what to do: focus on agitating, or focus on playing hockey. It seems like he wants to play hockey, but he’s not doing it well. He’s most effective when he does both, but he hasn’t been able to find that rhythm. I personally think that blaming that all on Torts is a bit of a cop out.
i dont disagree on the blame torts for aves struggles but it happens a lot in here.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
blame the refs and the NHL for Aves ineffectivness..
he’s got a bullseye on him
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 12, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s silly to say Avery play coincides with torts coaching, because some nights it does. I mean last year in the caps series when Avery took back to back completly moronic penalties and got scratched or sat the next game ( I forgot) he has been a differant player. Aves has always been a player that plays with an edge and on the edge. How can you say you wouldn’t feel a little wiery about playing the game that Avery plays with his style with torts having held benching over the players heads. I mean it’s nothing new, you play how torts doesn’t want you to…your benched. Some may not like it some love his coaching. Personally I hate it, you build relationships by teaching what to do and what not to and by benching young players like del zotto and gilroy is retarded because you expect bumps in the road their rookies. I mean if they play atrocious by all means bench but if they have an off game absolutly not. But back to Avery this is why I think people wants torts head, things like this. Us rangers fans love this guy and it’s obvious he has aves on a leash. I wouldn’t be surprised if aves wants out in the near future with torts coaching. I just feel like torts and sather are breaking this team apart slowly. Which in some cases isn’t all that bad but I wouldve liked to win a couple more games this year. Lastly I just want torts gone. His system is obviously not working and if i hear that torts has been working on the d joining the offense in practice from Joe or Sam tonite in the game I’m going to murder torts…ok maybe not but these guys need to work on their d first tortsy!!!!
by klh2009 on Mar 12, 2010 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the counter to that for both torts and aves is that avery playing with fear of being benched and playing without an edge is not helping us at all since he is not providing us with what we need from him. avery without an edge is a fringe player who right now deserves to get benched so either torts has to let him play his game and take the good and bad that come with it or bench him cause the in the middle isnt helping the team.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't have said it better myself
But I’d rather the leash be off the beast rather than him sittin on the pine.
by klh2009 on Mar 12, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but my point is...
that if Avery cannot play on the edge, or “play his game” without taking penalties that will hurt the team at key times, then I don’t want him playing his game.
He’s got to find a balance. Torts was right to bench him in the playoffs last year.
If his penalties cost us wins, then he has to change his game. I think that’s probably the message Torts is sending.
I’m sure that Torts is NOT saying “don’t play with an edge”… he’s probably just saying, don’t cross the line, that will cost us a win. And I agree with that.
It then becomes Avery’s job to find a way to play with an edge, but not lose the game by taking really costly penalties.
I don’t think his lack of effectiveness is completely attributable to Torts.
While Torts is at fault for some of the problems with this team, it’s Avery’s own play that is getting him benched. This isn’t one of those “you made a stupid mistake, you sit” benchings, but more of a “we need more from you, so here’s a wake-up call” benchings. And this team does need more from Avery.
Avery is the prototypical 3rd line winger. He won’t get many minutes, but he’s required to be an energy-type player who can get his team/the crowd into a game with a big hit, by drawing a penalty, and annoying the other team. He isn’t without skill-we know he can skate, has shown a good wrist-shot, and is willing to work in the trenches along the boards and behind the net.
While he still does some of those things, it’s not nearly as noticeable, and not often enough. The only place I think we can pin blame on Torts is, as usual, the complete lack of any line continuity. While you’re supposed to play a certain role on a team, I’m sure that gets lost when it’s new partners every shift. I’ll bet it’s more of a subconscious ‘if I’m out here with Drury I can hit and forecheck, but if I’m out here with Lisin and Christensen, I have to be defensive minded’.
Avery’s best bet is to take this on the chin, get back in next game, and just worry about using his speed to hit, to forecheck, to create turnovers, and drive to the net. Good things will emerge from that.
i personally dont like it. sitting him and playing prust and shelley is just silly to me. sure prust scored a goal but come on.. really?
and lisin finally gets to play and look where hes put.. wow torts..
move lisin on to that third line and put avery on the fourth with boyle and prust.
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
as i said in the original if you are going to play lisin on the 4th line then bench him and play voros instead because him on that line is a bigger waste then him being benched.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
agree but...
given Torts’ history, i’m hoping Lisin gets the switch with Prust after a few shifts
i would have that same hope, but given the quotes about wanting to get more time for prust and his history of dogging lisin i wouldnt count on it. funniest thing i saw all day was a tweet by Zipper that said, “New Blue Notes post on another chance for Enver Lisin.” i think many would argue he hasnt gotten 1 consistent chance this year.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
i say let avery play the way he used to…i dont mind the stupid penalties as long as it get his team to play harder….we’ve seen the alternative and it hasn’t worked…so why not go back to the way things used to be…this is actually the best time to see what the refs will do to him…we can get a better gauge on what and what he cannot do
I don't get this at all...
Our record with avey before this year was retarded good…everyone on the banter on the street loved this guy (for the most part). He has always taken random penalties and played his game and nobody said anythig about it. Now with torts he has played like shit because torts has his balls in a vice. Which it pretty obvious, so I don’t know why Avery is the scapegoat he’s playing ineffective hockey cause he also gets 10 mins a game. Avery has slacked but some of this has to fall on torts shoulders, talking about Avery pim isn’t new we loved him with the penalties before why is it a problem now. Because we are losing is the answer, and it’s not his fault we are losing
by klh2009 on Mar 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
first off – no one is saying that we are losing because of Avery.
Secondly – no one is saying that he can’t have a high PIM – the problem is the types of penalties he is taking, and when he is taking them. I firmly believe, that that is all Torts is focusing on. The best teams in the league are very disciplined. The Rangers need to be too. I’m fine with Avery taking penalties when it is warranted – and I think that Torts is too. But the argument here is that Torts is not forcing Avery into this subdued game. There is no evidence that he is. There is no evidence that Torts has “his balls in a vice”. If there was, then I would agree with you. But there isn’t.
It seems that people are seeing Avery as ineffective – they’re also upset with Torts’ coaching (rightly so). But then drawing the line between Avery’s problem and Torts is not 100% solid. Who’s to say that Avery hasn’t changed because of his stint in Dallas? Who’s to say that he doesn’t want to Alienate his teammates like he’s done before?
I just think you can’t blame it all on Torts. Is there a connection? Maybe. But that’s all we can say: maybe. And I feel that there has been too much mindless blaming of Torts for Avery’s issues lately.
I think Torts has effed up. His job is to find some consistency with the lines, and put players in the right situations. The players though, need to do their part. Avery is not doing his part. The players are to blame too.
Hmmm
Number one, his benching avery alone is proof that he has his balls in a vice. I don’t know if you know this, but i dot mean that literally I mean that he’s keeping him from paying night in and out. It’s not a coincidence when torts got here Avery just all of a sudden is lost out there. Secondly your saying that you never said that Avery is helping us lose but your implying it by saying " it’s the kind of penalties he’s taking and when he is taking the " is what’s making us lose, or helping. Once again you didn’t say that but you implied it. Thats the point of his benching he’s not helping in yours an torts eyes. But my point is that’s been Avery from day one plain and simple. So either you hated him from day one or you realize now that you don’t like his style of play. And lastly indidnt say all the blame has to be on torts but some of his actions are holding players like lisin anisimov Avery back by playin little to no time and in averys case changing his game.
by klh2009 on Mar 12, 2010 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
again - missing my point
The benching is proof of Avery not playing effectively – which I think everyone on here would agree with as of late.
Its NOT proof of Torts changing Avery’s style of play.
And I’m not saying that Avery has been taking bad penalties, and that’s why we’re losing…. What I’m saying is: I believe, that Torts has only been discouraging Avery from taking THOSE types of penalties – not telling him to play without an edge, or to change his game.
If Torts is telling Avery to stop agitating, and don’t take ANY minor penalties, then your argument is correct. I’m saying that there is no evidence that Torts is saying those things. I think Torts is only saying to stay away from game-changing penalties at key times that would contribute to losses. The main point being that we really don’t know what Torts has said or done to Avery – besides the benchings (which seem warranted to me)… So assuming that Torts is responsible for his ineffectiveness, is simply that: an assumption – not a fact.
Heh, what post? It has been removed, deleted, defragged, shredded, swept under the rug. Never happened. Obi-Wan Kenobi waved his hand and said “This is not the post you’re looking for”.
A-ha!!! It was really Sather.....
…and he used his Jedi mind-tricks.
….nothing to see here….
“There is nothing to see here….”
….move along !!…
“I’m going to move along…”
ROFLMAO
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Torts Is the Worst Coach We Ever Had
And what about Rozi? What About Redden? Does Torts watch the games or does he still believe that we are better with them in the lineup? This is the reason why Torts is gone after this year, though there is still a chance he is fired during the season
by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 12, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions
i dont know trottier was pretty dang bad…no more T coaches, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
do you know who is removing or hiding comments?
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
because removing some comments where language is an issue but there were some very innocuous ones that were taken out and that is more disturbing to me than any post of opinion whether i agree w it or not.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know it’s a PG rated society…but for hockey fans to have a problem with a so-called “dirty word”…I mean, isn’t there a Curling channel or something?
profanity i could understand about it being taken out as i believe it is in the posting rules when you agree to join
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Sympathy
Mr F – Liver Biopsy and Colonscopy (Too Much Information?) this week – know exacltly how you feel – thanks for posting anyways!
yea, tmi. just “had my own hospital tests/procedures this week so i can certainly sympathize”, lol. hope all is well.
by Michael Gleich on Mar 12, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
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