my take on tortorella
Should John Tortorella be fired? In my opinion yes. In my opinion he deserves it not only for the poor results that the team has delivered, but also for his own poor performance. I generally judge coaches in six areas: their system, team adjustments, motivation, team discipline, player development, and results, which I admit is unfair in some instances. I will briefly explain how I evaluate the performance in those areas later, and how I think he has performed in each area. But first I’d like to say why I am even more disappointed and concerned with these results then I otherwise would be.
The Rangers have been one of healthiest teams all year. Dubinsky’s broken wrist was the only injury to an important player lasting ten games or more. They have lost about 52 man games to injury all year, meanwhile even the teams directly above them have been decimated by injury. To name a few: Boston has missed the likes of Lucic, and Savard for very significant time, Montreal has had to go without Andrei Markov and Mike Cammalleri for months and weeks respectively (at different times), Philly has lost their starting goalie for the season, and is playing a guy (Leighton) who was cut earlier this year by the struggling hurricanes, and that is just to name a few. With all that being said, the door was wide open for any half decent team to walk right through, and with their constant failure to do so, how can anyone consider them even half decent?
In Johns defense I will say that I like many others thought little to nothing of the roster that had been assembled by Sather. Sather put a bunch of one dimensional players together and expected what exactly? There are many roster flaws which I could go into in great depth, but that focuses more on Sather and there is no fan debate on him so I will say only one brief thing on that then focus back on Tortorellas failures. The biggest concern that I have when looking at this roster isn’t necessarily the lack of scoring, it’s the lack of everything. There is not one strong point other then goalie on this team. There is no identity with this team, no fallback position to say, well we can’t score but we will: out work, or play great defense, clog the neutral zone, or win battles along the boards. They have such a deficiency in all categories that they are more than a couple of players away from being a potential contender. That being said, as other fans have mentioned, I also believe that certain moves had Tortorellas hands all over them. Such as: letting Betts go in favor of Boyle (who cannot compare with Betts and ironically Betts is even outscoring the oversized doormat), Orr for Brashear, and Kotalik.
At this point the roster is what it is, and it is not like Renney had an overflow of superstars under his command, but he managed to get the rangers to take advantage of their strength (Henrik) enough to make four straight playoff appearances and even come close to the eastern conf. finals once, thanks again Drury. If Renney can be canned after that, then why is Tortorella who hasn’t accomplished a thing in NY given so much leeway with some fans? I think the only reason is that his pseudo tough guy personality is more appealing to the frustrated fans that have given up hope of winning and just want the coach to call out the players every mistake.
I know this is a really long post and if you are still reading I will try to finish as quickly as possible, so you don’t nod off to my ramblings. So I will finish with how I feel Tortorella has performed in the areas I have chosen as my evaluation parameters, and why I think he should be fired.
The first area: system, I agree with his general philosophy, I prefer pressuring the other team and making them make a good play to beat you as opposed to sitting back and letting them dictate. That being said, I honestly don’t think he has the hockey intelligence to understand the subtleties of the game. I base this off of instances of seeing him praise or condemn a players mistake (or correct move) based solely on the outcome, I think that is a terrible thing for a coach to do because it will create a doubt in the players mind as to what is the right thing to do. If a player is out of position but somehow steals the puck anyway (for instance) he needs to be reminded to stay inside the system and not free lance, not be praise for a lucky play. I also think he lacks the communication skills to convey his system to the players, and I think because of these two issues I listed Mike Sullivan actually handles more of those responsibilities then he should.
Then next area to examine is team adjustments. This to me includes line adjustments, tempo or scheme changes, time out usage, and benchings and so forth. I think he poor at this as well. I have not agreed some of the line combinations he has put together nor have I agreed with the timing and reasoning for his changing of certain lines. I understand he doesn’t have a lot to work with but vainly reshuffling the lines every other game just to look like you’re trying something new isn’t going to help build chemistry either.
On to my favorite area of his failure: motivation. This one will be quick, what were the reporters saying when he was hired? You will definitely see a different Rangers team with him behind the bench. He won’t stand for their sluggish uninspired play. Is there anyone on the planet who thinks this team has heart or plays with passion and intensity? They play when they want to play, he hasn’t changed that and it is unacceptable from both Tortorella and the players.
Then there is team discipline. Penalty wise I think they are pretty average but I could be wrong about that. But they have no systematic discipline whatsoever. Players are constantly out of position in the defensive zone, and they have to be in the top three teams for odd man rushes against, which I also unacceptable.
The biggest reason I think he should be fired is the next category: player development. The Rags as I have also started calling them are obviously in the middle of a youth movement and have many promising young players in their organization. John Tortorella is not a developer, he is a guy you can bring in to motivate underachieving veterans and breathe new life into a stale situation, although apparently not here. We need someone who can teach these kids the right way to play the game. Recent examples are Joe Sacco (Col), Barry Trotz (Nas) Lindsey Ruff (Buf). I do not have any coach out there in mind that I think they should hire, just someone who fits the player developer mold. The lack of development in all of the rookies is blatantly obvious; in fact they have all regressed. Del Zotto who I think will be a perennial all star in a few years has become a complete liability and should actually be sent down for the remainder of the year for his own development if nothing else. It would be stupid and detrimental to the organization to keep Tortorella as the coach with the fact that more kids are expected to come up and contribute in the next two seasons.
As for the results, if you are still reading this I have taken enough of your time and they speak for themselves. Of course Sather and the players must share the blame but Tortorella hasn’t done anything to improve the team or prove that he deserves the job. The question isn’t: is Tortorella a good coach? It’s is he the right coach for the rangers, I think the rags would be better without him.
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RAGS AND TORTS
Calling them rags is better than what they were called prior to Emil the Cat taking them over many years ago. They were fondly called “Zee Garbage”.
Anyhow, Torts would be a good coach for a junior team at best. His style is not suited for longevity in the NHL. He has already peaked with the Rangers. Since “Slats” must have compromising pictures of Dolan and will never get fired, he better get Keenan back while he can.
by RANGER SINCE '59 on Mar 13, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions
rmc and ranger since '59
rmc235: the point of joining in calling them the rags is that their performance is embarrassing, so i choose to solute their lack of effort and desire with an obviously derisive jab at them.
ranger since ‘59: i’m wondering then if you disagree with my statement of him being a poor talent developer? because player development is basically the goal of the junior leagues, so i don’t see what purpose he could serve coaching at that level.
by Rags to riches? on Mar 13, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Complete...
nonsense and riddled with grammatical errors.
Tortorella isn’t the problem. It’s the players. It’s the scheme. It’s New York.
The only way to win in New York is to buy the “best” and the Rangers can’t even buy right.
The Yankees buy right, the Rangers buy third line players and call them key.
This team is totally flawed, and the injury argument is useless. Would some please name one first line player on the Rangers other than Gaborik? How about a true second liner? i guess one could argue Prospal….how old is he?
Our defense is also a point of wonder. Not one physical defenseman in the whole group.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Hank asks for a trade in the offseason.
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you cant compare baseball and hockey. baseball doesnt have a salary cap. when the yankees have a roster opening they can buy whoever they want for whatever money they want.
in the nhl you cant do that. the only way you win in the nhl is building through your farm system. all the good teams in the nhl have done that..
prospal is a 60 pt guy. to me, thats a 1st liner. jokinene is a second liner. dubinsky and callahan the same.
for the team we have right now, torts is not a good coach. renneys system would have worked a lot better. torts’ system requires a few all starts to pull the team. we dont have that. our strong point is goalie and our weak point is defense. we should play defensively and win games by small margins, like last year.
also when it comes to rookies, a guy like renney would be much better at development. mdz anisimov and gilroy have all regressed this year. to me that has a lot to do with torts
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Sorry, Peter
I see where you’re going, but Moshe is spot-on.
Even excusing salary cap, the Yankees have done a mixed job – at best – in free agent overpaying. Carl Pavano? Jeff Weaver? Octavio Dotel? Even AJ Burnett should be considered an early bust. Of course, the Mets take the cake in poor ROI.
Although I don’t perceive Prospal a 1st liner on almost any other NHL Team. This is a fluke season for a guy at this stage in his career. Remember; he was waived for a reason by a poor TB team. IMHO, Dubinsky is a first line player needing better linemates. The guy is arguably good for 60+ points on a better team.
I’m not so sure Renney’s system would’ve worked much better. We couldn’t score in that one either. I cannot disagree, however, that our defensemen – in particular – took major steps backwards in play over coaching transition.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
are you kidding?
how many first line players are on buf, pho, nas? with the lack of motivation and discipline, youth development, and effective in game adjustments what exactly has tortorella done right? i would like an answer to that. is this a bad roster? as i said in the post yes it is, does that mean the coach gets a free ride? no. the funniest thing you said was tortorella isnt the problem… its the scheme, wow dude really? talk about an oxymoron, who exactly do you think implemented the scheme? i’m glad you mentioned the grammar because it was the only worthwhile point you made.
and as for the yanks spending wisely… lmfao really? they always lead the league in payroll and finally won after what 9 or 10 years, not to mention missing the playoffs once as well. but yeah giambi, pavano, knoblauch and so on were great moves. not to mention could you pick a more classless organization? how many proven cheaters have been on that roster in the last few years? petite, clemens, a-rod, giambi. that ridiculous organization thinks that its ok to cheat so long as you dont have facial hair. that is there amazing standard of class. if you think nyr should be looking up to what the yankees have done over the last ten years you should love sather.
by Rags to riches? on Mar 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Torts is bad for Player Development, but you need to give him at least one more year at the helm, if then he does not perform then fire him.
by CrazyRangerFan on Mar 14, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
Concur, if...
…he’s willing to play the young talent filtering in sans insane disciplinary procedures.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
Hmm. Good Point.
Perhaps Lisin keyed his car to engender such impatience.
The stay with Torts argument is growing more sound by the day.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
yeah he did, but its seemingly noticeable that Del Zotto, Gilroy, Staal, Girardi, and Lisin and possible Anisimov have all regressed as the season went on. Hopefully they will regain there confidence and play well here down the stretch.
by CrazyRangerFan on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
to Nutz_35
good point, and i dont want to take all the credit from tortorella on those players, but i dont think he deserves a lot of credit with 2 of them. richards in particular was excellent before hand, including what in my opinion was a tremendous rookie season, and lecavalier was a sure thing out of juniors and had a couple good seasons before torts got there. I personally attribute lecavaliers stat boost more to maturity and his chemistry with st. louis who was acquired i believe the same year torts came. once again though, he does deserve some credit there. and i could be wrong about how much credit that is, but i dont give drury slack for what he did in col or buf and im not going to give it to torts either especially when as i said before i believe all our rookies are regressing.
by Rags to riches? on Mar 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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