Rangers Need to Keep It Going Against Habs
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 16, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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After their four point weekend that left them one point out of playoff position, the Rangers have every reason to feel pretty good about themselves which is what scares me. There's no time for this
It won't be easy for the Rangers, they are facing a red hot Canadiens
At this point the other thing the Rangers have going for them is that with the exception of the aforementioned Hurricanes, every
So the stars are pretty much aligned for the Rangers right now, they just need to play more like the
John Tortorella told the media yesterday that Henrik Lundqvist will be rested down the stretch, but when? How? Unless the Rangers solidify a playoff position before the end of the season, I just don't see how they will rest him. Every game is now a playoff game, and I just don't see them starting Alex Auld when every two points is so critical.
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Preview (Courtesy of NHL.com)
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STATS |
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| 70 | GP | 69 |
| 35 | W | 31 |
| 29 | L | 29 |
| 6 | OT | 9 |
| 76 | P | 71 |
| 0.543 | P% | 0.514 |
| 2.63 | G/G | 2.59 |
| 2.74 | GA/G | 2.68 |
| 23.5 | PP% | 18.8 |
| 83.1 | PK% | 83.6 |
| 28.2 | S/G | 29.7 |
| 32.4 | SA/G | 29.9 |
| 49.4 | FO% | 49.8 |
Canadiens: No Mike Cammalleri? No problem. Since the Habs lost their leading scorer during a 3-2 loss to Ottawa on Jan. 30, they've gone 10-4-0 to move into playoff contention. And even without Cammalleri, the Canadiens are scoring 3.3 goals per game, up nearly 0.8 on their season average before he was hurt.
It's resulted in a push up the Eastern ladder that has the Canadiens dreaming of the playoffs.
"Right now you feel like you're almost in the playoffs," defenseman Andrei Markov said. "You understand you have to play well every shift, every moment. You're nervous before the game, but if you win, it's a great feeling."
Rangers: After an embarrassing 6-3 loss to the Devils, the Rangers have strung together two impressive wins against the Thrashers and Flyers, two teams they are fighting for a playoff spot.
But the Rangers have shown signs of stringing together consistent play at times this season, only to fall into the bad habits that have plagued them. To make the playoffs, they will have to find a way to keep it together.
"These are desperate times for us," captain Chris Drury said. "Obviously every game is a big game and now we have to regroup and get ready for a real good Montreal
Who's Hot: Markov has been on fire since the restart of the season. He has 2 goals and 7 assists in the Canadiens' eight games since the end of the Olympics. … For the Rangers, Drury has 4 points in his last 2 games, all assists.
Injury Report: Besides Cammalleri (knee), the Canadiens will also be without defensemen Marc-Andre Bergeron (left) and Paul Mara (upper body). Mara could return this week. … The Rangers report no major injuries.
Stat Pack: Rangers goalie Henrik Lundqvist is 6-1-0 with a 1.86 GAA and a shutout in his last seven home starts versus Montreal. … Meanwhile, Canadiens goalie Jaroslav Halak is 1-3-0 with a 4.11 GAA in four starts at Madison Square Garden. … A win tonight would give the Candiens their first six-game winning streak since an eight-game run from March 23-April 6, 2006.
Puck Drop: "We have been in the same position before," Lundqvist said. "Like I said, don't look too far ahead. Don't start thinking we have to win 10 out of 13 or something; we just have to win the next game."
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Unfortunately we’d still be 3 points behind 7th. I’d be much happier with a 1st round series against the Sabres than the Caps.
I say it all the time
but this is a “gut check game,” you have to have this one if you want to make the playoffs, period.
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Agreed
I mean, we need to win the rest of ’em too. But this is a huge game for the Rangers.
by Lunkwill Fook on Mar 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, considering we beat a poor Atlanta team (and if they had any talent we would have lost), and beat a meandering Flyer team that had just played an emotional game the day before…it’s not like we’re having some momentous surge.
I say rest Lundqvist and hopefully tank the season…but you know he’s going to be ridden until the season ends. It’s the way Torts runs his teams, and you just know Sather and Dolan will be sweating to make the playoffs-one so he can say “see, this team can make the playoffs!”, and the other so he can make a boatload of extra money.
We’ll just wind up playing Washington and getting our asses handed to us (last year’s run was nothing more than Lundqvist playing out of his mind.)
Going to have to agree to disagree.
The day we rest Hank en masse is the one we are officially eliminated from a playoff hunt. He has all season to rest, likewise us to shore up backup goaltending for next year.
It’s like being Team #64 in the Big Dance. You got to be in it to win it, with no shame of getting bounced early.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
Well, that’s mostly the thinking here. Rest Henrik, drop some games, and get a good draft pick (this draft is pretty stacked in the top 10). This team needs a young, centerpiece forward to build around. We have 2 D-men in Staal and MDZ (and plenty more prospects on D), and some gritty hard-nosed guys in Cally and Dubi. But we need our own Brown/Richards/Tavares/Parise/Duchense etc.
Concur on outcome should we reach mathematical elimination point.
But is general consensus here to overtly tank versus eighth seed hunt? If so, it’s a sad day to be a Rangers fan. :(
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
For the most part, I’d have to say yes, there’s been plenty of discussion of dropping into the range of the 4-6 draft picks (we’d have to lose like EVERY game to reach Edm/Car/NYI I think), though 7-8 should still be good.
No, it isn’t a sad day. It’s a move for the future of this franchise vs. a 1st-round ass-kicking. Look at the teams who have been and currently are power-houses in the league. Pitt, Wash, Chi, Detroit (they’ve had injuries, but the past what, 10 years?), SJ, NJ. All those teams have built themselves around strong draft and development programs, and THEN filled around that with quality free agents. NYR have been the complete opposite for quite some time.
You know what? I want this team to be a power-house for the next 10 years. Who in the blue fuck is happy with scratching and clawing our way to the 8th seed (or missing the playoffs) every season only to get an early exit, and continually throwing money at overpriced, past-their-prime (past their expiration date is the KEY to the bad FA signings of the Sather era) bums. If it means we lose some games to get a good draft pick in a draft that’s really good 1-10 for one season? So be it.
I’d rather be a loser 1 season and be great the next 10.
SJ has Heatley and Thornton, both top picks. But they traded for them.
If there were a way for the Rangers to trade for/sign a top pick like they did Gaborik, then you could strive for playoffs and forego the low pick.
But with Redden/Rozsival/Drury chewing up $20m, the trade/sign option is just not realistic.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
thank God Cammallari is out so that means montreal will score three less against Hank tonight
Who are you?
Go post on a DEVILS blog you fair-weather fan…if I wanted to watch a team lose I’d go see a mites game; if you call yourself a fan then you want to see your team go as far as they can…no matter what.
Blunter than Sather's Cigars....
by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Relax man....
There are plenty of people here who, in the long-term interests of seeing the Rangers become a “real” Cup contender before the next decade dawns, would prefer to see them not make the playoffs this year and get a really high draft pick.
Disagree all you want – but they’re no less of a FAN than anyone else here. They want the Rangers to win it all – and their method of making that a reality is different than yours.
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word. I mean I’d rather some draft picks than a first round beat down.
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by fromthe51hate on Mar 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Jersey..............you are clueless..........completely
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 16, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Clueless?...just fed up.
I think anyone who thinks/wishes a professional sports team would knowingly TANK is a little more than clueless.
I dont think any one draft pick is going to become that Franchise player the Rangers are looking for; and I personally beleive that any playoff experience (even four and out) is a valuable part of growing our youth, and reminding our veterans why they’re here.
I’m sick of hearing people talk about throwing in the towel to plan for the future; you just never know what can happen in sports. Cheer for them now and in June (or early May :/ )you can talk all you want about draft picks.
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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Mar 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with that. Hell, everyone here wants this team to do good, to win games, to be in the playoffs, and to win at least one more cup before we all die :-) Everyone just has a different opinion on how we should get there.
I’m sure there’s a few who want to continue the current method of throwing money around and praying for Gaborik-like results (at the same time getting stinkers like Redden). Others want a full-blown youth movement and the next few years be damned while the kids develop in the AHL and the current NHLers continue to learn. I’m in the camp of continue to develop the prospects/AHLers whilst making good FA signings of young talent that ARE NOT past their prime.
I’m sure most agree though that our current methodology isn’t working. We put out teams that play shoddy D, rely on Henrik to win games, and hope somebody can score a few goals. It needs to change. And while many of us won’t get our wish of Sather being fired, we can hope that he does see the light (and while he may have gone in that direction by not trading youth for a playoff push, he didn’t sell to get prospects/picks either) and changes the status-quo.
Nobody wants another 54 years of mediocrity, or as that one person’s name-tag says, “it may HAVE to last a lifetime”. We all want a winner…no need for front-runner or clueless comments.
yeah your right you never know.....................
unless we r talking about the Rangers winning the cup. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 4 years ago we were all happy to make the playoffs cuz we were coming off of 7 dark years. Now we have made the playoffs 4 years in a row and guess what? Have the Rangers improved at all in those 4 years? No they have not. The key is to improve every year so you can one day become a true contender, not stay stagnated in mediocrity. Here is a summory of the Rangers season after season. Start off well and get everyone excited and then go into a huge losing streak for months, never being able to string together a winning streak worth mentioning. Then coming down the stretch of the season having to play desperate hockey to try to pull yourself out of the huge hole they dug for themselves to hopefully qualify for the second season only to meet a vastly superior team and GET BOUNCED! I know all about competition and not being able to tank. I have been playing oraganized hockey for over 30 yrs. I get it. As a competitor it is damn near impossible to think like that………but we can. Can I sit there and purposely hope my team loses? No. But when they do now I wont cry about it. There is a bigger picture out there and you gotta be able to see that. Fuck playoff experience if you cant improve as a team yr after yr. The goal isnt to make the playoffs…………it’s to win the cup!
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys, guys. This is easy. If Torts rests Hank, and if the Rangers lose, it’s just another notion pointing towards his firing.
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
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"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
Why?
Any professional sports coach – especially one in the bright lights of a franchise with the name “NEW YORK ……..” – gets second-guessed to death.
If he rests Hank and they lose “Why did you rest him ?”
If he doesn’t rest Hank, and they win, then lose in the playoffs “Why didn’t you rest him ?”
I have no particular insight into whether Tortorella will be “fired” based on any set of possible conditions – I’ll only say that to do so would be yet another EPIC FAIL on the part of the ownership and management – especially if the next coach has a philosophy/‘system’ that’s radically different. Players are finally starting to “get” his system – he hasn’t had the right players for that “system” – so let’s off him and start over yet again. Let’s churn the bucket some more and continue on the same path – a total lack of consistency – yet again.
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+1
I’m getting annoyed at all of this “Fire Torts” banter when his players aren’t playing with any consistency. Then when he does scratch someone (Avery) people get pissed, yet that scratched player comes back and WHAM plays epic hockey and we win a game.
Let the man build a team for himself before you send him to the gangplank.
I know many of you are down on Tortorella and I hate to disappoint you but its just not smart business to fire the coach and tear it all down again after one year. Besides let’s be honest here we knew they weren’t a Cup contender coming into the season. Torts should be brought back and then see how it goes.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
I agree, and I am not one that says fire Torts, however I do think that if we don’t make the playoffs that Sather Will fire him to cover his butt. And for Dmaven’s reply unless some kind of miracle happens this team will be exactly the same next year for the most part like me and Mleetch taked about the other day in the game thread. So what can Torts do ? I think he would have to change His style, he won’t have the talent to ride 2 lines like in Tampa, he won’t have a real solid Defense unless the R&R sisters leave, and he has to set lines and d pairs and actually leave them alone for more then 2 shifts etc….
Do you really believe that this team/roster will look exactly the same in September as it does now?
If it does – then that’s a further condemnation of Glen Sather – and all the more reason that he should be s*!t-canned. If you hire a coach – deliberately – for a style/system/philosophy – and you don’t provide him with the necessary tools to execute against that – you CANNOT blame the coach. Look in the damned mirror.
Having said that – I can only assume that there will be trades/free agent signings that will contribute towards a roster that will be more suited to what Tortorella’s system requires.
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“I can only assume that there will be trades/free agent signings that will contribute towards a roster that will be more suited to what Tortorella’s system requires.”
THIS. We can only hope this is what happens-it’s what needs to happen.
But, being a skeptical pessimist, and seeing how Sather works, the roster won’t look the same, but it will probably be the same. A hap-hazard collection of players.
Unfortunately I do not want to admit it but with the Contracts of Redden/Rosival/Drury/Brashear Etc… We will be stuck with the same team plus or minus a few players, maybe he can move some players, but whatever money he can find alot will go towards re-signing Staal. I mean who can we dump really Oli, Vinny, Shelly, Lisin, Prust, EC,? And those are the ones we MIGHT get something for (doubt it)
I don’t think Oli will be back so maybe Grachev comes up but I doubt it. I think we will resign Prust since he is a RFA, I think Sather will resign Shelly cause he likes his tough guys and IMO Shelly has been more of a benefit to the team then Brash & Voros together.
Whle I agree with you about players in systems the way Sather handcuffed himself over the years they just don’t have the wiggle room.
Torts got a lot of praise last year coming in and sparking this team to the playoffs and a gritty series against the Caps (I think he also held Lundqvist’s family hostage with the way he played).
His problem this year stemmed from his time in Tampa and trying to bring the system that worked THERE to this team. Now, I like his system (though he has changed it to more fit THIS team), which is more of an up-tempo attacking style where the D are also heavily involved.
But this team wasn’t built for that style, it was built more for Renney’s style of defensive-counterpunching-Renney at least knew he didn’t have the right horses (especially on D) who could play an attacking game-we saw how utterly lost Marc Staal was earlier this year-same with Girardi (who still hasn’t recovered to play like he did last year). Torts needs to coach more to player’s strengths.
And while I like his system, albeit modified to better fit the team, I’m not sure if he’s the right guy to handle this team if it moves more in a youthful direction. I have been baffled at times why somebody like Anisimov was spending a lot of time on the bench for no reason. He’s benched MDZ for one bad incident (granted he shouldn’t mouth-off to the ref…but c’mon), yet other veteran players make glaring mistakes every shift and they don’t even get a dirty look. Lisin, while a coaster at times, was never given ample time. And Donald Brashear… playing…let alone on the 1st line…is an offense punishable by gluing earphones to his head that blare Jonas Brothers non-stop.
And as Nyrfan said too, the line juggling…please no more.
This team, realistically, is 31-38 W-L. With almost no significant injuries (Dubi’s wrist was it). I think you either find the right coach, with a system that fits the players, or you find players that fit a system. I don’t know how much you can make players fit a system.
agree on most of this
The things that bother me most about Torts are the line juggling (FIND SOMETHING CONSISTENT – even if it consistently sucks), and the non-benching of Rozi/Redden for blowing ass.
But we should get over the MDZ benching – those young guys do need lessons. The only problem I had with it was that he wasn’t giving those lessons to the old guys too.
Also, though, I kinda like what he’s done with Anisimov. I haven’t checked on the progress of his overall ice time, but it must be up from the first months. I think what Torts has done is tried to teach him some defensive responsibility. Granted, he still has a ways to go, but AA at the start was not playing any PP or PK time, and was always on the bench for much of the 3rd period.
Now AA plays some PP, and some PK (which I think is great), and is often out there in key times at the end of games. Gradually over the year, he has become more responsible. I think that Torts has done a decent job of helping him develop his two-way play. Would I like to see him with more ice-time, and a chance to score more goals? Sure. But I don’t think Torts has stunted his offensive potential, while he has in fact improved AA’s defensive game.
It’s not the benching per-say that I think we harp on, but as you said, what kind of example does it set that he gets benched and screamed at for that 1 thing (he’s also 19), while others have horrible turnovers, poor coverage etc. every shift…and nothing happens.
Great analysis of AA-I noted he rode the bench a lot early in the season (I think he was getting maybe 10 minutes a game), but as you said, he’s played more recently, and I think having Dubi/Cally on his wings consistently the past couple games is great for his ice-time and will help him learn the game. It’s around 15 mpg the past 5. I really think AA could turn into a version of Michal Handzus (same body type/skating stride), though hopefully with more scoring potential. Hopefully he continues to play 15-17 minutes a game as the #2 center with ample PP time.
Forget not smart business
do you really think Sather is gonna lay off yet another coach (that would bring the count to 6 then, inclduing himself, I believe).
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by Joe Fortunato on Mar 16, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is that too. Several reasons really, I just don’t see it happening unless there is some behind the Iron Curtain stuff going on that we don’t know about.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 16, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dah Comrade. Ve hef a new plan… Ve vill bring in all Russia team from ze KHL…
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by fromthe51hate on Mar 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
weren’t people saying fire Torts the end of last season? It’s silly. He’ll be back next year and hopefully they can work on their consistency.
Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.
by fromthe51hate on Mar 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but that would be admitting he’s wrong…again…
Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.
by fromthe51hate on Mar 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, how many coaches does he get to hire then fire?
It’s ridiculous already.
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
MUST re-sign Shelley, and I hope we re-sign Prust too. Just having that presence in the lineup means so much out on the ice, teams will not be able to beat on the Rangers’ star players which is a refreshing change for this organization. In my view, that is a MUST.
Ridding the team of Redden’s albatross contract is another MUST. Since trading him is highly unlikely, the only other option is the AHL. Let him make those “great first-passes” to Brashear in that league.
I like Drury, and Rosi too, but neither one is worth their contract hits. But they can still be a part of a winning team in my view, provided we get complimentary players to overshadow their weaknesses. it CAN be done, but it won’t be easy. I simply cannot see anyone taking Drury off our hands, and I don’t think he should be given the AHL banishment, same for Rosi. So, getting complimentary players seems to be the best way out of that rut.
As for the coach, I feel both ways about him .. he does have some good points, and some bad ones. “IF” a better coach could be found, I wouldn’t object strenuously to a change. I do wish Torts would be a tad less abrasive/abusive to young players (and Avery), and his constant line shuffling is annoying to say the least, but he CAN be an effective coach.
I like Sather, he has the guts and courage to make bold moves, and he has the ability to make deals when he needs to, I just wish the Rangers would keep the same sort of philosophy from year to year, as opposed to constantly changing styles and the like. Whether Sather can actually do that, well, i’m not so sure. But he has the guts and the smarts to do it if he wants to.
I do wish Cablevision and the Dolan family would go bankrupt, but cablevision is so entrenched in nassau county so that won’t happen.
What the Rangers need to do is almost like what the Knicks have done, rid themselves of prohibitive contracts to clear cap space, and use the space PRUDENTLY.
As for tonight’s game, the Habs give the rangers trouble, especially when the Rangers take penalties against them. I feel the Rangers are a better team and should beat them especially at home, but as written by others, they need to play the way they did against the Flyers as opposed to the way they played against the Thrash.
Let’s go RANGERS!
by bigaudio on Mar 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Agree but even dumping Redden in the AHL we still have to pay him a lot of money, Drury has a No Movement Clause so he won’t be going anywhere, unless he Really wants to go to a cup contender, but with the dollars on his contract not many teams will have the space anyway. Totally agree with you on Torts being less “abrasive/abusive”. I like Drury & Rosi but if Sather couldn’t move him at the deadline I doubt he will move in the summer.
I really don’t care what Dolan has to pay Redden. He’s a complete liability anytime he plays. Guys like Dru/Gomez/Rosi are overpaid…but they at least bring positives to a game (Rosi’s been much better lately IMO, though he still brainfarts). Redden does nothing that would make me want him on any team even if he was making 10$ per game.
Redden can go crap in his helmet for all I care.
I agree, but Dolan isn’t going to spend that kind of money on an AHL player so Sather is gonna have to bite the bullet
Alright, I know I'm REALLY late to the party here
(as this pesky thing called work keeps taking up my time) but I have to throw this out there: When talking about “resting” Lundqvist down the stretch I interpreted this as giving him a night off here and there (maybe he “only” starts 10 of the final 13 or so?) to keep him from completely wearing down prior to the playoffs AND to keep Auld sharp. It seems like a few people are misinterpreting “resting” Hank with shutting him down for the season and/or implying that the Rangers should shut him down. I haven’t read every single post, but it seems like some advocate not playing him AT ALL for the remainder of the season… I didn’t think that was what the poll was really asking… am I wrong?
I’m sure the poll was asking if we should rest Hank or just ride him and try our best for the highest possible playoff seed because everybody would like to avoid Washington.
Of course, some of us would like to see him ‘rested’ so we avoid a first-round playoff exit and get a good draft pick.
Considering we’re probably going to get the 8th seed at best, I’d rest him enough to make sure we secure that spot, and hopefully he’ll be fresh for the playoffs. Might as well try if we’re gonna go for it.
/shrug
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