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Bridges? New Views Inside The Garden's Renovation

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[Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, 05/08/10 12:44 AM EDT Since there was some other stuff going on this week, this terrific story that rmc235 put together deserves a little more time at the top, so I am putting it back there. Great job rmc!]

(Opening in the 2013-14 season are the two spectacular New Bridges that will be suspended above the court/ice for a one-of-a-kind view of the action. )  From MSG.com

As you may know, the Garden will be undergoing a renovation to become "a state of the art" facility.  What you may not know, are some of the new details released regarding the new changes.  For example, the new "bridges" that will span the arena length wise, as shown above.


Join me after the jump for more information, and some new pictures of the renovation.

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From the NY Times:

One type of renovation at Madison Square Garden will begin this summer when the Knicks try to sign players like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh.

Another type, one that will modernize the 42-year-old arena, will move into high gear next year with the first of three summer shutdowns. Each year, construction will start with the end of the Knicks’ season or the Rangers’, whichever comes later.

Turner Construction is renovating the arena and needs about 20 consecutive weeks from the end of play. A deep postseason by either team would probably affect the Rangers more, because their season starts first in the fall and they would be required to play on the road for an extended period to accommodate construction.

The renovation will cost $775 million to $850 million, much higher than the $500 million estimate made by Garden officials when they first unveiled plans in April 2008. Hank J. Ratner, the Garden’s president and chief executive, said in an interview that the lower figure was based on a design concept that had not been fully fleshed out. The current estimate is based on elaborate drawings of every element of the construction plan.

The Garden spent $60 million to start the renovation in areas not visible to the public through the end of 2009. Ratner declined to say how much has been spent since or how much the Garden, which hosts about 300 events a year, is giving up in revenue for events that cannot be booked during the closures.

One of its properties, the Liberty of the W.N.B.A., will have to play home games elsewhere beginning in 2011. A possibility is the Prudential Center in Newark, where the Nets will play for two seasons before moving to their new home in Brooklyn.

The MSG Network has begun moving across Seventh Avenue to a new space at 11 Penn Plaza. After the N.B.A. draft on June 24, the Theater at Madison Square Garden will be closed to support the work that is needed to support the construction of the upper floors. The Theater does not need renovation and is expected to reopen in the fall.

But the Play by Play sports bar will soon close for good.

In October 2011, the Garden plans to reopen with its lower bowl seats refurbished and the 20 event-level suites, which are at or near the ice or the basketball court, ready to be occupied at rents of about $1 million each. Ratner said nearly all of the swank suites were spoken for.

New locker rooms, dressing rooms for entertainers and the news media area will be ready, as will the new sixth-floor concourse, which will be widened to include windows but will have a temporary ceiling and floor.

About 1,500 seats in the upper bowl will be covered at the start of the 2011-12 season, but Ratner said they should be finished early in the season. Most of those seats are not committed to season-ticket holders, but those who have seats will be temporarily relocated.

When the arena reopens after the summer of 2012, Ratner said, the upper bowl seating is expected to be done, with all seats moved closer to the action. Twenty-two lower-level suites, some as close as 23 rows from the floor or the ice, will be ready to start the season, with 36 more finished by the end of the year. Construction will take place when games are not being played.

Also opening in October 2012 will be a partly finished upper-level concourse, a party deck and the Super Club, an area the size of 10 suites. The Delta Club, which will serve patrons of the elite event-level suites, will also open, with a television studio and a glass wall that will look into the tunnel where players can be seen as they walk from the locker rooms to the court or ice.

In October 2013, the final phase — the open-air, two-level Seventh Avenue lobby — will open with large projection screens and a television studio. On the ninth floor, 18 revamped suites will open and a new scoreboard will be installed.

And one of the signature design elements of the renovated Garden — two bridges that will span the arena lengthwise, and serve the concourses and seating areas — will open.

"This isn’t a renovation," Ratner said. "This is a new building within the familiar exterior of the Garden."

Unlike Citi Field, Yankee Stadium, the Prudential Center and the Barclays Center, the Garden is being renovated without state or city subsidies, although the arena continues to benefit from its longtime property tax exemption.

The Garden is financing the renovation with cash on hand and operating cash flow, Ratner said.

Ratner said he expected the project to generate the equivalent of 1,300 full-time jobs during construction.

 

Here are some new images posted on MSG.com - (all text underneath photos come directly from pictures):



Entrance Lobby

(Opening in the 2013-14 season is the new 7th Avenue Entrance featuring interactive kiosks, retail locations and a broadcast area.)

This picture seems to indicate a giant screen on the ceiling.  In my opinion, I don't think anyone will be busy looking up at the ceiling when they enter the building, so the screen to me is questionable.

Rangers Locker Room

(State-of-the-art facility for teams and performers.)

Nothing really to comment on here, just a nice new locker room for players and performers alike.

Lower Level Concourse

(Opening in the 2011-12 season is the new Expanded Lower Concourse with city views, enhanced concession stands featuring Coca-Cola products, more restrooms and additional retail locations (some components will gradually come on through January). )

Can't wait for those wide-open areas to roam.  Concourse's expanded?  Check.

Upper Level

(Opening in the 2012-13 season is the Expanded Upper Concourse with city views, enhanced concession stands featuring Coca-Cola products, more restrooms and additional retail locations (some components will gradually come on through January). )

If there is some trend you may notice through the images is the use, or overuse , of television screens.  While the images are stunning, there is such a thing as too many screens.  As fans, we will enter to watch the event in person, not stand around in concourses watching the event on a screen.

Upper Level View

(New concourse deck with direct views into the arena bowl.)

Ah yes, finally, there appears to be space to walk on the upper deck.  Being the deck where I reside during some games, I can only hope it looks this good when completed.

Party Deck

(Opening in the 2013-14 season are the New 10th floor Party Decks offering a selection of new food and beverage options and a unique social gathering space with direct views into the arena bowl.)

I'm not one to be using the party deck any time soon, but it sure looks very nice.

The Bridge

(Opening in the 2013-14 season are the two spectacular New Bridges that will be suspended above the court/ice for a one-of-a-kind view of the action.)

Bridges?  I am kind of iffy on the bridge concept.  One, I don't think it is necessary.  Two, I don't want to look at a scoreboard and tons of screens while I'm trying to watch the game.  Three, I like the jumbotron.  The image makes the bridge look like it will block my view of the jumbotron.  Four, wait, are the Sabres winning this game?  Is it just me or is it "2 Rangers - 3:54 Period 2 - Sabres 3".  And why is the man in the foreground clapping?  Is he a Sabres fan?

Event Level Club Studio

(Opening in the 2011-12 season and offering exclusive dining options and views of athletes entering and exiting the locker room area.)

This little area is also being known as the Delta Sky 360° Event Level Club.  John looks amused and Al looks like he is doing a "groping" motion.  As long as that isn't a live shot, this looks like a pass.

Event Level Club

(Opening in the 2011-12 season and offering exclusive dining options and views of athletes entering and exiting the locker room area.)

The Delta Sky 360° Event Level Club looks to be one fancy place don't you think?

Event Level Suites

(Opening in the 2011-12 season are the 20 new Event Level Suites offering a sophisticated atmosphere and the best seats in the house.)

"Sophisticated atmosphere" seems to be an understatement here.


Lower LEvel Suite

(Opening in the 2012-13 season are the 58 new Lower Level Suites that are larger and half the distance to the court/ice with bowl seating.)

What about sophisticated atmosphere did I fail to mention?

Super Club

(Opening in the 2012-13 season is the new all-inclusive Super Club with seating in the arena and exclusive club space available for corporations and individuals looking to entertain at Knicks and Rangers games.)

The Super Club is supposedly the size of 10 suites.  The view looks fantastic.  At least when Glen Sather looks to entertain guests he'll be closer to the fans than ever before.

Ninth Floor Suite

(Opening in the 2013-14 season are the 18 completely remodeled 9th floor Suites.)

The man sitting down is transfixed at the screen.  Other than that, the 9th floor suites look to be just as inviting as the others.

The Renovation doesn't look to disappoint.  The only thing I am worried about, not regarding the facility itself, is it's impact on the Rangers' season.  Expect a long road trip in the beginning of a year or two to accomodate for the construction.  What do you guys think of the new Garden?

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Looks awesome

I’m so excited for wider concourses and more bathrooms! Those problems have plagued the Garden for decades. I’ve always hated having to make the choice between missing the last couple minutes of a period or waiting 20 minutes to take a leak in the intermission.

I’m with you on the bridge. I really hope that’s just a weird angle, because it would be a travesty to have any fan’s view of the Jumbotron obscured by those. I’m just hoping all these extra suites and luxuries dont take away from the atmosphere. The old Spectrum in Philly used to be a hell of a home ice advantage, but when they built the new Wachovia Center and jacked up the prices, the atmosphere got very corporate. I’m not even a little nervous wearing my Ranger blue in that place.

by Steeeve on May 6, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

RMC is this amazing

enjoy the bump to the main page!

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by Joe Fortunato on May 6, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot Joe!

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by rmc235 on May 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Lundqvist is having a weak game. Three GAs on 21 shots with four minutes left in the second.

by XLII on May 6, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta Love the Garden

Can’t wait for the new look. I loved the old Yankee Stadium, but I love the new one even more. The Garden NEEDED this. As for the road games at the beginning of the year, let me lay some stats on you.

2009-2010 Home Record: 18-17-6
2009-2010 Away Record: 20-16-5

Need I say more? If anything, it helps their chances!!!

*Just think about it as a player too. Better locker rooms, sweet see-through entrance, happier fans!!! (If there’s an increase in ticket price it won’t matter – The New York Rangers ticket sales are basically inelastic)

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by worldwidefoley on May 7, 2010 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Needed the overhaul

Glad to see the Garden is getting just more than a facelift, lots of space especially in the upper levels that don’t currently exist will make for a better time. I can’t help but notice that the designers of this remodel have included alot of the elements that the new hated Cowboys stadium has. From the telecast room, to seeing the players walk onto the playing surface, to the gazillion TV’s…it look slike they are modeling after corporate America and what everyone talks about these days in terms of amenities. I’m sure the Ranger faithful will keep the place real though unlike other venues I have been to.

by Lone Ranger in Florida on May 7, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Capacity

Does anyone know the ultimate effect on capacity this will have, excluding luxury boxes. I’m concerned that that the total number of seats will go Down to make room for all these miscellaneous shenanigans and ticket prices will go up.

by jigblahdah on May 7, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I heard the capacity will remain the same. They are taking out all the walkways in the lower bowl area and making it steaper giving a better viewing angle. So by taking out the two walkways you’re adding maybe 6 rows? All the way around so that will make up few seats.

Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.

by fromthe51hate on May 7, 2010 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea, capacity is the same. There was a chart depicting the changes between the Garden before and after the renovation, but ever since MSG changed it’s website, and the link to the renovation, (which they now call the “transformation”) the chart isn’t there. I tried to find it but I can’t.

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by rmc235 on May 7, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a phrase....

I like it, I like it!!!

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by Danz10 on May 7, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

one problem also with the bridge

are having those disgruntled drunk fans who could potentially drop stuff onto the playing surface which could be a threat to the players below them…i really dont think its a good idea

by Kevin Power on May 7, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Or someone could jump off… I won’t say who.

Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.

by fromthe51hate on May 7, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hopefully Wade Redden :P

by Kritikal on May 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless ....

the bridges aren’t directly over the playing surface. from the drawing it looks like there’s the scoreboard in between the 2 bridges. looks like they run parallel to the side boards maybe where they might be over the lower level fans instead of directly over the playing surface. that’s what it just looks like to me, i could be wrong. would be smart if they had some kind of barrier (glass or mesh screen) to prevent anything or anyone being throw over.

by DJ Chicken on May 7, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m guessing they’ll put a net below it, but I dont see it being a huge problem. You can throw things on the ice from practically anywhere in the lower sections, and that hasnt really been an issue anywhere outside of the squid tossing in Detroit.

by Steeeve on May 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or beer bottles at the Coliseum...

You know, those Islander fans are classy.

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by Ogre39666 on May 8, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bridges

Will there be a disco ball for dancin’ Larry?

by PotvinSucks on May 7, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

two bridges that will span the arena lengthwise, and serve the concourses and seating areas

I don’t think they will be close enough to the playing surface for the possibility of junk being thrown. I don’t know what kind of cover they will have to protect people from jumping, a see-through panel that stretches with the bridge seems to be the best option. It’s all about what will be safest and provide the best non-obstructed view.

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by rmc235 on May 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word is Clint Eastwood is signed up for the Bridges of Madison Square Garden film. Should be a good one.

by XLII on May 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa...

and I think I saw Gregg Popovich and AJ Burnett in those pictures. That’s renovation right there.!

by FreeBradshaw on May 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

just to clear it up, i think the score says “4 rangers – 3:54 Period 2 – Sabres 3”

and the bridge thing seems nice but until i can see it in person definitely undecided

all in all most of it looks great, but thats what concepts are for…

by teknics_rx7 on May 7, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully it is 4-3, or else that is terrible advertising.

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by rmc235 on May 7, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Impressive. Imagine if they put as much effort , energy, and innovation into improving the product on the ice.

by AZRangerFan on May 7, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you kidding? Who are they to change the product when they have fantasy leagues of their own?

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by rmc235 on May 7, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bad news is ...

sather’s got the 2 bridges on the payroll for $5 mill a year

by DJ Chicken on May 7, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

About right..

One of em has a 5M cap hit but is only making 4M next year, the other is still making 6.5M :P

by Kritikal on May 8, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the extra bump Jim!

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by rmc235 on May 8, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem, thanks for putting this together.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 8, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't want to be a downer but...

I am a contractor and spent a lot of time helping with budgets and schedules. IMO, the proposed schedules are ridiculous. They are expecting multiple trades to run 24/7 without any time for contingency. In addition, there are still many unknowns, most importantly the environmental considerations. Asbestos and lead can bring work to a crawl.

I haven’t been involved in the last few months, but last I heard, the expanded concourses are depicted in the renderings, but not included in the plans just yet. If they don’t incur too many cost over-runs they hope to add an additional phase which would include widening the concourse into a currently “dead” space between the current concourse and the exterior curtain wall.

The plans right now are more geared towards updating the look, increasing the number of suites and bringing the suites from the rafters down lower and closer to the action.

It’s an exciting plan and not many facilities deserve an upgrade more, but I’ll be interested to see what happens in October.

by NYdemo on May 8, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

place looks sick

cant wait to go to the new arena, prices are sure to go op though lol

by Conway on May 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it is horrific. Another polished, soulless corporate arena – not unlike the ACC in Toronto and there is zero atmosphere there. The Garden used to be an intimidating place for teams to visit and that will certainly be gone with the new look and new prices that will send the rest of the hardcores home to watch on HD.

Why do they keep pitching city views? Would they rather have you hanging out looking at the buildings around the Garden (and the filthy streets) than watching the games? Who cares about the view?

And I, for one, look forward to seeing drunk guys using tickets of friends from companies that don’’t care going up on those bridges and literally urinating on Islander fans.

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by Scotty Hockey on May 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i disagree

ranger games are allready corporate, so might as well have a nice arena to enjoy. atmosphere is a product of the fans and the team they put out on the ice. as long as the team is competitive there will be “hardcores” there, which u can argue as to why toronto is “soulless” at the time being. the lower seating and suites are allready corporate and have been for long time

by Conway on May 8, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t enjoy the Garden?

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by Scotty Hockey on May 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree as well. Scotty, we are Rangers fans. Therefore, we will make the Garden a place opposing players have trouble playing (that is a fan’s job). Plus, the Garden is due for an upgrade. As renowned as the Garden is, it isn’t known for it’s interior, compared to other facilities. A renovation is a good thing. I guess I can see the argument that making the place state-of-the-art creates a completely ‘new’ arena, but the arena is only new if you make it new. I don’t think it will impact the play or make the Garden generic in any way. And for the bridges, those who created the idea have to know the fans. I’m positive every precaution will be taken to ensure fan safety.

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by rmc235 on May 8, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post RMC

You did a nice job with this.

Funny enough, during the home opener back in October, the Rangers held a viewing of the new suites for a selected group of fans. Lucky me, I was able to attend and was shown different aspects of the arena and actually went into model suites. They were pretty amazing and looked exactly like the pics you have above.

I don’t know if you are familiar with the old Cosby’s store that was pulled out of the Garden? That is where the models are now, which is why Cosby’s was removed.

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by Nick Montemagno on May 8, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I am familiar with Cosby’s. That store practically goes with the Garden. That is awesome you were able to attend an event like that. That is good that the pictures are actually accurate. I posted the pictures assuming they were artist renderings or ‘their own depictions’. The bridge concept I believe is a new one. The early information released contained nothing about the bridges.

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by rmc235 on May 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And thanks ;)

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by rmc235 on May 8, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the corporate suites have all the necessary bells and whistles, but overall, the plans look sterile, ahistoric and uninspired. The bridges look like a visually distracting design gimmick which will only result in spit and beer on people’s heads, and the over emphasis on tv monitors spoils the whole point of traveling to watch a game live. But who knows…I hate the new Yankees Stadium and everyone loves that.

by mike1967 on May 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

In short, it looks like the Short Hills Mall.

by mike1967 on May 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

for putting up all the pictures….the lower level suites look insane!! and probably ridiculously expensive!

by NjRanger4 on May 9, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

These renovations are all geared toward corporate/high end “fans” and trying to suck more money from their pockets to recover the $850M pricetag. Atmosphere/crowd noise will decline, just like Yankee/Citi field with the empty seats right next to the field or the new arenas in Chicago and Boston for example when compared to the ones they replaced.

Expect higher prices for the average guy including the upper tier seats ($65/seat now for 300 level corner seats) and most of the new amenities to be way overpriced and geared towards the high end.

Wider concourses and steeper layout are welcome but all the bells and whistles are really not necessary. Luxury suites are the best place to watch a bad game and the worst place to watch a good one.

by kovalev87 on May 9, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The Ice

One thing I’ve heard many times is that the Ice at the Garden is terrible. Are there any plans to renovate the playing surface?

by NewburghHockey on May 10, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

BLAH

Does “sophisticated atmosphere” mean “watch on tv”? Because seems like everyone prefers the big screens to the real action. Typical. Seems more set up for the suits then fans.

by NightenDay on May 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

its always about the suits

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by Plusch on May 11, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few things

1. Alot of those might be future pictures/paintings not TV screens in the hallways, especially the giant one on the ceiling.
2. The score looks like it’s Rangers 4 Sabres 3
3. I always wanted a bridge in an arena I went to. I might have to come to the Garden just to see it.

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by furcifer on May 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Guess I will actually have to start going to games again to see what all this looks like in person. Last time I was there I went to a Knicks game ( They Won!!) 2 years ago now so seeing all this done will be a big shocker.

by HolyCow02 on May 12, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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