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Rangers Analysis: The Curious Case of Michal Rozsival

When you have a guy like Wade Redden burning your crops, attacking the townsfolk, killing your cattle and causing a ruckus (wait, he doesn’t do that?) it’s easy to forget about the other problems that the Rangers have. While Redden should be, and probably is, the biggest issue on the burner for the New York Rangers right now, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t other questions that need answers.

Michal Rozsival is one of those questions. With the Rangers in limbo, trying to figure out how they were going to wipe Redden's atrocious contract from their cap space, one has to wonder if they are going to look at anterior moves to "make some money back." At the end of the day who knows what is going to happen to Redden. No one in the NHL is going to touch him for a trade, no not even for a 7th round pick. Because when you trade for Redden, you aren’t just getting Redden, you’re getting his 6.5 million dollar cap hit as well.

So what other options do the Rangers have? Michal Rozsival.

Rozsival would have been the Ranger fans whipping boy this year had it not have been for Redden. And let’s be honest, during the first half of the season Rozsival was doing everything he could to make Redden look good. But as the season progressed he began to shore up defensively, and after a while he looked like a rookie out there, which was a huge improvement. And while I happen to be in the minority I think that his final 20 games of the season were very solid.

Regardless there is no denying that his contract is also a bit of an issue, and would do wonders if it was removed from the cap. This is actually possible, join me after the jump to find out why.

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For starters let’s look at his salary. Rozsival is owed 4 million dollars this year, and 3 million dollars next year; his cap hit for the next two years is 5 million dollars per year. This automatically makes him more attractive to certain teams, because the big bulk of his paycheck had already been paid off. Some teams, granted teams closer to the cap floor then the cap ceiling, might be willing to take on his cap hit for a lower salary to actually pay.

The other thing that Rozsival has going for him, is that he only has two years left on his current deal. Teams that did want to deal for a veteran defenseman but don’t want a huge contractual commitment—which is what they will be forced to do if they bulk up through free agency—might be interested in Rozsival.

Now obviously you can’t expect any team to take on Rozsival not to give some salary back. But for the right team, the Rangers might be able to save a few million dollars. The Rangers are going to be big-time players when it comes to defenseman this free agency period, especially since—one can only dream—that Redden will certainly be gone.

Then there is the defense that the Rangers should hold onto Rozsival. Marc Staal can’t do it by himself, Dan Girardi’s return to Broadway is a question mark, Michael Del Zotto should be much better but we don’t know for sure yet and John Tortorella probably screwed with Matt Gilroy’s head enough last year to have given him permanent confidence issues. So would it make sense to hold on to Rozsival to keep at least one veteran on the blue line aside from Staal?

Obviously this is still a complicated situation. So what do you guys think? The floor is all yours.

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Keep the youth, add a bruiser

Priorities:
1. Lock Down Staal
1a. Take Redden out to the woodshed(or wolfpack) so you have enough $$$ to handle priority #1.

2. Obtain someone capable of clearing the crease. Minimum credentials, 6’3" 235lbs, 100+PIM. Other teams have no fear of the Rangers D, and thats a MAJOR problem for Hank.

We might have more luck trying to find a Good Will Hunting type janitor than we do on the Free Agent market. Maybe the kid who played Fulton Reed in the Mighty Ducks is still around…

3. Trade Rosival for someone with some speed and half the cap hit.

To summarize:
Pair 1. Staal/Big Scary Defenseman
Pair 2. MDZ/Girardi? (or comparable replacement)
Pair 3. Gilroy/Rosival or whoever we can get to replace him

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by Jersey BlueshirtFan on Jun 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Just for fun

Here’s the list of all players in the NHL that fit this description in 2009-2010:

6’3" 235lbs, 100+PIM.

Derek Boogard – waste of space
Andy Sutton – 35 yrs old
Raitis Ivanans – some guy on the kings who averaged 5 min of ice time

That’s it.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

Nice Smurf. I’m sorry Jersey but in today’s NHL the need for a “big/scary D-man” isn’t as necessary as it used to be. I’ll take a stay-at-home guy who does his job with limited penalties. 100+ PIM is reserved for agitators and enforcers.

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by Rob L on Jun 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for fun Part 2

It’s not just “today’s NHL” Here’s the list of all D-men meeting that criteria since 1998 (courtesy of and thanks to Derek @ Copper and Blue for compiling this)

Zdeno Chara
Hal Gill
Derian Hatcher
Al Iafrate
Tomas Kloucek
Mike Komisarek
Uwe Krupp
Pavel Kubina
Francois Leroux
Chris McAllister
Kjell Samuelsson
Andy Sutton
Boris Valabik

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Leetch wouldnt have been Leetch W/O Beukeboom. If you have no need for physically intimidating defense, tell me the Flyers would be in the finals w/o Pronger.

A different sports analogy: You dont sign a star QB without a rock-solid guard to watch his back. Why have a top Goalie if you cant protect him?…its a recipie for disaster.

Maybe the 100PIM is an exaggeration, but the point is the Ranger’s D was a joke this year, and size and grit will be needed if they want to be taken seriously.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger is such a ridiculous example…not only does he contribute 50 pts/ season offensively, he’s one of the 5 best defensive d-men in the league. The fact that he hits is like 6th on the list of his important skills.

That’s like saying “where would those Rangers have been without Leetch?”

How about we compare this years Hawks and this year’s Rangers:

Keith, Barker, Campbell, Seabrook, Sopel, Hjalmarsson: Average 6’2, 204
Staal, Del Zotto, Gilroy, Rozsival, Redden, Girardi: Average 6’2 205.8

I don’t think size is our issue.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant agree with you on Pronger…i think he’s a goon, so he fits in well with the Flyers…

Kudos to your other point, you cant argue with cold hard numbers. But if size is not the issue, playing with a pair certainly is. And IMO, having one guy who’s not afraid to step up will have a ripple effect on the rest of the D-squad.

So whether he’s 6’3 or 5’6, who’s going to be the one to keep the opponent out of our crease? I dont see it coming from anyone currently on the roster.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger's certainly a goon,

But that’s not the reason he’s so effective defensively. There are plenty of guys that are as goon-y as Pronger, and they’re not 1/2 the defenseman he is. You can hate him….but don’t let it cloud the truth about him, which is that he’s a really good, HOF-caliber defenseman

As for clearing the crease…it honestly doesn’t matter to me who does it as long as they bring more to the table than just hitting stuff. I want my defense to prevent shots, not clean up after them.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's still a place for them.

This was the thing I originally disagreed with.

in today’s NHL the need for a "big/scary D-man" isn’t as necessary as it used to be

I still contend that a heavy hitter would be a welcome addition to our D, all other things being equal.

Most importantly, we need to protect The King. Without more of a wall between him and the opponent, we’re allowing our best asset to depreciate faster than necessary.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I still contend it’s not necessary.

Where’s the big hitter on the Hawks? The Red Wings? The Hurricanes (when they won the cup).

You need to be able to stand up for yourself / stand your ground the way Staal does, the way Del Zotto will…but you don’t need this mysterious super-defenseman that’s a giant and just hits everything that moves.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a quick addition...

It’s like the numerous fans asking for Sheldon Souray. Yeah he’s nice, he plays with sandpaper, he clears the crease.

And he’s an atrocious defender. I don’t want the Rangers to go in that direction. That’s the crux of my point.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our D is Too Soft..end of story

Maybe my thoughts are better expressed mathematically:

Cant play D + Hits a bunch > Cant play D + Doesnt Hit at All

It WOULD be good to have a player with skills and a physical presence. But if we cant have both, at the very least, get a warm body in there that’ll do some damage!

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if we cant have both, at the very least, get a warm body in there that’ll do some damage!

And there’s where we diverge.

i want the guy with skills who doesn’t hit anything over the guy that hits stuff.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree smurf, need to be able to stick up for yourself and your teammates

that is a requirement. Bare minimum. You were right pointing to the kind of physicality that Staal and Del Zotto bring. I feel like that will be a requirement for any defensemen we require

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want my defense to prevent goals. That’s it.

How they do it is of little concern. I’m not saying we don’t need a “presence” necessarily, I’m saying that should not be the primary characteristic.

You win preventing goals.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scratch that

You normally win preventing goals (our D and G were 9th in GA)

Being able to score beyond anemic rates helps.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the rangers already have a number of people who fit that bill…what they lack is a legitimate physical presence.

Staal, MDZ,Gilroy, Girardi, they all have a solid skill set. This thread began about what to do with Rosival, and I still think we should trade him for someone with a little more physical edge to their game, to round out the D.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

To go back on topic..

I trade Rozsival to Columbus for Huselius and worry about filling the D slot with either one of the kids or with another 2-way defenseman like Martin or Hamhuis, neither of whom is a presence.

Back off topic:

I understand I’m in the gross minority here, when you’re a hockey fan, you want hitting. It’s ingrained. It’s exciting. But there is no direct correlation to winning games.

It helps fans feel better that it looks like guys are trying. It’s why Callahan is always considered untouchable, while Dubinsky is considered a tradeable asset.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dubinsky should NOT be considered a tradeable asset…

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is business

For the right price, I’d trade anybody.

If you had to see one go, would it be Dubi or Callahan?

I personally thing Callahan has more to work with, and I doubt he would’ve held out over a contract dispute so early into his career. Dubinsky seems more concerned with himself, Callahan leaves more out on the ice.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point

Dubinsky is way more skilled, it’s not really close.

But because Callahan shows those weird intangible things like heart and grit, he’s considered the better player.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we've found our divergence

By the numbers, there’s really no question who the better player is on paper.

However I think its those intangibles that make a great player, and ultimately make a great team…its part of what i love about this game, you cant just win on skill alone. Its how 8th seeded teams make the playoffs by winning a shootout and then go all the way to the finals.

if i’m building a team I’d take guys with heart over guys with stats every time.

Also off topic: I wonder what the playoffs wouldve looked like if Torts used a different Shootout lineup?

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly’s one of the more talented teams in the league. The fact that they snuck in was a combination of awful goaltending, bad coaching, and injuries, and they’re the 7th seed.

It’s fine, I know it’s not a battle I win, everyone believes in intangibles. But the team that’s going to win the cup has won by being 1st in Shots For and 1st in Shots against, and outshooting despite the score. Anything else is just a smoke screen.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would we have to trade either of them? Neither of them should even be discussed. How are they gonna have more value for another team than they do for us?

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 235235%

But that’s the sentiment of the fan base, and it’s because of the fascination with hitting things. Cally does it all the time, Dubinsky only when necessary.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger = 14 straight seasons in the playoffs and 3 stanley cup finals with 3 different teams. Goon, yes, but also Hall of Fame D-man.

Beukeboom D-men no longer have a place in the NHL, unless you’re a bottom-dwelling team. It’s all about puck movement who can skate. Just look at the finals:

Chi = Keith, Seabrook, Hajlmarsson, Campbell
Phi = Pronger, Carle, TImonen, Coburn

by NTB on Jun 2, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Ivanans really only average 5min of ice time???? thats hard too accomplish lol.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you’re in the minority Joe. Rosival was actually pretty good the final 2 months of the season. He still took way too many penalties but overall he was pretty soild.

Unlike alot of people here, I happen to think he has trade value. Like you said he’s only owed 4 and 3 million the next 2 seasons and I think there are teams that might be interested in him. If we keep him for 1 more season then he’d have even more value a year from now.

If the right trade comes along i’d trade him in a second. Otherwise i actually don’t mind him being here 2 more seasons.

Again with the 2 year plan…..2 years before our kids develop and 2 years before a couple bad contracts expire.

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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Roszy does indeed have trade value. He was better than solid the last quarter, he was actually good. He made plays, was solid in the his own zone and was NOT a liability. He’ll never be worth 5m a year but now, he doesnt have to be. As Joe points out he can fetch a return from a lesser club. Teams like Columbus have cap space and are crying out for puck moving defencemen…..
IF (and its a big if) The Rangers can indeed move Redden i’d happily let him play here atleast another year when his contract (1 year left) is even more moveable.

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by Jurgennehls on Jun 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

In order to make use of Rozi

I think he needs to be like Silvio and take Adriana Redden on his last car rid

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

If you get rid of Redden...

You probably have top get rid of Rosy too. Rosival becomes the next whipping boy and we’ve seen him struggle with the pressure of the boo-birds before. The only reason Rosy wasn’t enemy #1 is because Redden was.

Regardless it’s going to be an interesting off-season…. I hope.

by NYdemo on Jun 2, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then after Rozi eliminates Redden

we can make use of the remote controlled detonator on the car

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 3, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

heres an other ranger killer take away redd and hes your worst player hes soft gets bumped off the puck and cant get the puck out of his zone and yea he is a pussy.if we can trade him with someoneelse in a package lets do it . i wouldent even mine eating some of the contract in a trade. for this team to move foward with our kids we need to rid of all the past dead wood we been carrying. and for those who say he wasok last few months think how many games he cost us how many short handed goal he gave the other teams he has sucked for two years yert people say hes ok cause of last few months he played good which i did not see

by nytrueblue on Jun 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

and I was ripped on for my spelling and syntax????

by chavez91 on Jun 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolz

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by Scratch and Snif on Jun 2, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and for those who say he wasok last few months think how many games he cost us how many short handed goal he gave the other teams

The answer is 1. 1 SHG against with Rozsival on the ice. All season.

he played good which i did not see

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

As the stats point out Roszival is not one of the worst players on this team. He’s just handsomely overpaid

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by Jurgennehls on Jun 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

which was the point I tried to make

I enjoyed him int he final 20 games or so, but he was horribly attrocious in the first 20 so take it or leave it.

But he has trade value, along with value to the team.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

As with Drury

You cant fault a guy for saying no to money. If #23 and #33 were being paid half what they are now, I would say they met expectations.

If #6 were paid the league minimum, I’d still think he was grossly overpaid. :)

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one is faulting him for the salary, we are just considering whether or not it would be smart to trade him and clear cap space

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% agree with a trade

just speaking to Jurgen’s point

As the stats point out Roszival is not one of the worst players on this team. He’s just handsomely overpaid

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roszcvzival, or however the hell you spell it

He was awesome in the World Championships, winning the Gold Medal and being announced one of the Top 3 players on the Czech Republic team. If he plays like he is capable, I think he is a very solid D-man to have.

The problem with Roszival is when he tries to force the action and not let the game come to him. When he just reacts and doesn’t think, he is a substantially better player. This was quite obvious later in the season after the Olympic Break.

I think he would make a good pairing with Girardi. I’m not sure how much they played ES last season, but I think they would be a good tandem. RangerSmurf, the numbers please…..

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by stonecoldcory on Jun 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

There's almost no data.

Rozsival and Girardi were on the ice together for exactly 9 shots (3 for, 6 against) together.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

A combo that Torts didn’t try??? Get out!

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by stonecoldcory on Jun 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Math Problem

If you have 12 Forwards and 6 D dressed in a night, how many possible combinations can you have on the ice?

I got 344.8 Billion, but I think I may be off. Although that sounds close to how many Torts would try during a given game.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

39,600.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually that's wrong even...

Did it too quick, I have repeats in there…Gaborik-Dubinsky-Prospal is the same as Dubinsky-Prospal-Gaborik.

There are 220 forward combinations (12×11×10)/(3×2×1)
There are 15 defense combination (6×5)/(2×1)

So there are 3300 combinations.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just Torts

0.22% of EV events this year
Last year it was 0.8%
Year before it was 0.32%

(excluding the weird cases where there were temporarily 3 d on the ice because of a penalty end)

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we can get rid of Redden in Hartford I would like to hang on to Rozi and then sign another Top Notch D-man. Then we would have 2 real vets 2 semi-vet/young and then 2 real young guys. Thats a pretty good balance of experience I would say.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Sather had a good idea

I think he recognized there was some solid youth in the works. I think he thought R&R would be the cornerstones of a solid defensive squad.

That was the logic. Epic Fail on the execution. And now we’re here, bogged down with the contracts and we’ve got Staal and MDZ leading R&R around by their liver spots.

If he’s not going to admit his mistake, I certainly think Rosival is the lesser of 2 evils.

by ItsGravyBaby on Jun 2, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a good idea but you don’t sign a guy that got booed out of his last city for 6mil at 6 years its ridiculous. The warning signs were there about Redden, Rozival I mean he just flat out overpaid him, he’s worth only 3mil if even. I wouldn’t mind Rozi at all if his contract wasn’t so much money.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think there is a top notch D man that is a UFA. Will need to trade for a top notch D-man

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not Top Notch but pretty damn good ones in Martin(barring NJ resigning him), Hamhuis, Volchenkov(was a sexy choice earlier in the year but stats that Smurf and others bring up raise questions) I would like a guy like Shane O’Brien from Vancouver he is pretty good with a physical edge. Their are choices out their maybe not Cream of the crop but some damn solid D-men.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No top notches

But Tallinder, Michalek, Volchenkov (who isn’t technically off the market til he signs July 1st), Martin, and Hamhuis are all solid defenders, with the 1st 3 mostly defensive guys, and the latter two more 2-way players.

Any improves this team.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying no top notch in general, or this year?

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by Scratch and Snif on Jun 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just this class

I haven’t looked at next year’s class.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Sather had given him

6 yrs 24 million. It would’ve been easier to swallow than the crap hes getting now.
I agree with Joe, he has trade value but not for Souray like Joe states, I think he has to be packaged with the likes of Sangunetti, Grachev and a second rounder for Alfredson and a third rounder or St. Louis and a fourth rounder. Or packaged with only Sangs for a slightly overpaid powerfoward like Malone. IMO those types of trades would benefit each team. Before judging those moves look at the contracts first and you will see how it would work.

by louielounz1 on Jun 2, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Forget the contracts

Why are we giving up two prospects for a 38 year old RW. I understand he’s coming off a ppg season.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops

That sent too quickly

Why are we giving up two prospects for a 38 year old RW. I understand he’s coming off a ppg season, but he’s still 38 and has to begin declining (and why not start in NY?). St. Louis is 35, and same thing, eventually he’s going to hit the decline.

Malone for just Rozsival and Sangs however I would look at. At least’s only 31, but there’s potential we’ll all be cursing his contract by the end of it.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

For one Rozy goes away, Sangs is somewhat expendable, Grachev because AA and Cally are off limits in my book, and its not like Alfredsson is horrible.
Look at lidstrom, almost the same shyt. Yeah sure he will only get worse, but that is the small price you pay.

by louielounz1 on Jun 2, 2010 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah sure he will only get worse, but that is the small price you pay.

That’s a pretty big price when you’re giving up your #1 organizational prospect.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you’ll be crying when Grachev puts up 30 goals and 60-70 pts for Ottawa in a couple years.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly

Or maybe just maybe he becomes a bust and we lose his insane trade value, although it is better to hope Grachev will become a great goal scorer I do understand that logic.
As for Malone I do realize how bad his contract is but a swap for Rozy would be nice considering he is big, talented and gritty in front of the net. He would be much welcomed compared to Roszival.

by louielounz1 on Jun 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it is logical trading a valuable prospect for a year or two or Alfie or St. Louis based on the fact Grachev COULD be a bust. That’s not logical thinking, with your thinking we might as well throw all our prospects away for 1 or 2 years of a former all star that is now aging. Now if you suggested trading Grachev for someone like a Dany Heatley, Kovalchuk, Stamkos, Kane, Toews, or any other big scorer that is in their prime or about too hit their prime and you think that move will get you a legitimate shot at a Stanley Cup by all means do it but please don’t be throwing our prime prospects away for virtually nothing.

PS. I don’t mean to sound like a jerk. lol

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 2, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't sound like a jerk at all

I think people get down on Grachev because he had a rough time adjusting to the pace of the AHL. Quick trigger fingers are what got Mike Milbury to trade Luongo and Jokinen for Kavasha and Parrish. Mistakes

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 2, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I understand completely about Grachev not playing great in the AHL yet. But Anisimov did the same in his first year in the AHL. I guess this not being Grachev’s first year of North American Hockey could be reason for concern but given the way Anisimov took 2 years in the AHL I would expect Grachev to follow the same path and light it up next year than eventually earn a spot on the Big club the year after. I hope this jumbled mess makes sense lol.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 3, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

No u make sense

I understand what your saying completely. I too am for growth from within, but personally think right now moves should be made, if Grachev than it hurts but we will get new prospects. You watch Dawes and say what was wrong with him? P.A. same thing, how come he isnt getting a real shot. Then look at AA and Lisin and wonder if they should require therapy for not recieving playing time. See the pattern? Add the simple fact that this past season Grachev did a very poor job of scoring and even worse defending. He will get better, the transition from Russia to American Hockey apparently is a big jump (which is actually a piss poor excuse translated into I didn’t do my job). I have to sag I hope you guys prove me wrong on him though…only time will tell.

by louielounz1 on Jun 3, 2010 3:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just read the 20 prospects in 20 days article for him on the Rangers website. It was really encouraging that he could be ready mid-season next year or he will definitely be ready by the 2011 2012 season. And I hope we are right about him as well lol

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

the fact that grachev is #17 or so on hockeys future should tell us that we should not give up on him just yet. ranked higher on our prospects list than AA and mdz, both of whom most of us have grown quite fond of

by Conway on Jun 4, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well written Joe. Someone needs to ‘mount’ Rozy the hell out of here.

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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Had an interesting idea, made a fanpost. Smurf, I would love for you to check it out….

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 2, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

here's my take on this ...

See, I think there is a huge underlying issue at play with these Rangers, and that is the direction this organization is taking. Are these Rangers one or two players away from being a contender, or do they need to rebuild? In my opinion, these Rangers are in the middle, noman’s land, at the crossroads if you will. Do they keep veterans, do they go young. It’s almost like their record this past season, they are in the middle. It is unlikely that this team will be real contenders next season no matter what they do short of landing a huge unexpected player/players and giving up nothing of value from a deal after July 1. If anyone could pull something like that off it’s Sather, but the odds are very much stacked against it happening. So for me, this organization first needs to determine their course of action. Adding a few veterans like they did last year, while landing Gaborik and Prospal which was fabulous, ultimately this team took a step backwards since they didn’t even make the playoffs, because the type of players they could add didn’t work out. Kotalik, Higgins, retreads/enigmas are the only types available to this team since their cap issues are drastic, and in my view that is not what this team should re-attempt to do. I for one am sick and tired of this organization thinking they are better than their results say they are. But either way, this organization needs to decide what they are and where they want to be before they try to alter the roster, and that decision/evaluation would determine which course of action they should take. I feel that that evaluation is vitally important in order for this team to improve in the ways we’d like to see.

Having said that …. I like Rosy, I think he can be an effective player on both sides of the ice, he just needs to focus on his game and what he needs to do to be successful. Can he? And should we wait around to see if he can or cannot? Me personally i’d keep him, as long as Redden’s contract can be eliminated from the payroll. That would obviously open up options, and release money needed to keep the few players we have that we think are worth keeping (Staal and possibly Girardi) and or possibly signing some FA. See, all these decisions have scenarios that are intertwined, and must be sorted out, kind of like a huge ball of thread that is all tangled up. You can’t use the thread until you untangle the entire length and see what you have. To me, that is the biggest issue this organization has, and every other decision they make has to start with untangling this mess.

by bigaudio on Jun 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

When i quickly looked at your name I thought it was big guido lol

You have some good points, I too would rather have Rozy on the team instead of Redden.

by louielounz1 on Jun 2, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

please just be gone ?

i would trade rosi for a bag of pucks and harold snepts . bring in souray and bring up sangunetti see what he can do. plus jay mckee is also out there .

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by lohaus#54 on Jun 3, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm for going to Toronto and offering Roszival, Girardi, Byers, and a 2nd round pick next year

for Komisarek and Finger. I know you’re eating cap space; but, the willingness to use the $2 million proposed cap increase is worth spending on Komisarek, if at the cost of a $3.5 million dollar problem for two years. Who knows, by next season Finger will join Redden with the Wolfpack.

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by Danz10 on Jun 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus, it leaves the original cap space we had for Staal, the drafted forward, and a free agent forward once Redden is sent down.

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by Danz10 on Jun 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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