2010 NHL Draft: It's Draft Day!!!
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 25, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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Good Morning Ranger fans, Draft Day has arrived, and Blueshirt Banter will be your place for all Rangers coverage, I'm traveling to Los Angeles this morning to attend, and we'll have Joe and Nick providing updates as well.
I have my heart set on Nino, here's hoping I get my wish!
I'll be live blogging with some updates throughout the day, as AirTran takes me from Atlantic City to Atlanta to Los Angeles.
Don't forget tonight we will have a live draft open thread, and tomorrow night we will have a special Draft Wrap Up Edition of Blueshirt Banter Radio at 8 PM!
Nino! Nino! Nino! Nino!
More later.......
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Hey Jim......im totally with you.........
I really,really,really hope we get Nino…………the kid is gonna be an absolute star!! But we def have to trade up………..who or what do we part with?
by giantsNYrangers on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
look I want Nino as much as the next guy
BUT, I wouldnt mind Johansen
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is gonna be a quiet night for us. Cigar’s lack of big moves almost makes me think we’re gonna end up on the outside looking in of the playoffs again.
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Depends on “quiet.” I agree that we’re not going to see any major deals, but we might see some repositioning here and there.
Souray’s name is also hitting rumor mills fast and furious again, which could frighten me.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah ive seen that around too. this guy has been linked to us since january and we cant seem to shake him. ill still take him for redden straight up though lol
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
They won’t though. They have a glut of forwards they’re going to try to tag with him. Souray-Nilsson-O’Sullivan for Redden-Sanguinetti would work.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
havent seen either of them play all that much so i cant really pass judgment on them… would that deal be worth for us?
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
just checked out capgeek, that would be adding some seriuos salary for us next year but their both RFA’s after that. might be worth giving em a tryout
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the only way they’ll take the extra two years of Redden. Give to get and all that.
It costs us ~$3m short term, yes. But it also then times Rozsival, Souray, Drury and Avery to all come off the books at the same time, which would give us close to $19m in cap space.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
in my eyes thats completely worth it. im not sure what kind of ceiling nilsson and osullivan have but they are both still relatively young and it wouldnt be complete waste giving them a tryout next season. souray can help this team if he stays healthy (i know thats asking a lot of him) and the same cant be said of redden. add in the fact that sourays contract is up in two yrs and that equals a deal for me
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, they’re both frustrating 25 yr olds without a lot of upside. O’Sullivan at least had a 53 pt season three years ago, but he never approached that level again.
It’s really just a cap dump for edmonton and a redden dump for us. Maybe we get lucky and one of the two fits in well, but really it’s not a short term move at all.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
if nothing else either one of them would be easier to move individually for picks or low level prospects than redden ever would be. i think if this deal was on the table for sather he should take it… we’re not really losing anything except a prospect that torts doesnt really like.
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
NHLSourcesSay Oilers looking to deal Souray and Horcoff. Panthers interested.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
im sold on johansen at ten or moving down to get etem but that might be something of a gamble. its going to a tricky gauging exactly where hes going to go as the more i read about him the more it seems GM’s and scouts around the league love him
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
what if they just take Etem at #10?
I’ve seen that they should trade down to get him, but in real life that’s really not so easy….
Would Etem be “worth” the #10 like Krieder was worth his pick last year?
I dunno about you allz…but given the recent history of Rangers drafts…I’m good with wheover they draft, no matter if the interweb scouts don’t like it, or its someone off all of our “radars”.
..cuz the interweb, and us, don’t to 2% of the scouting that the real guys do.
…that said, Nino would be nice.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i havent seen him play in person but from what i have read etem has some serious potential. scouts are raving about his skating ability, and hes not to shabby a finisher. the only downsides i have heard about are his size and ability to be physical on the next level. the rangers pay strength trainers for a reason so i would say it wouldnt be a waste at 10… it just may take some time for him to develop
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Etem is a good prospect no doubt
but Johanses would be a nice grab, and maybe Gralund, a guy that we really havent been talking too much about. There will be names on at the 10 spot that are valuable for a team, the question is how do we get them
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
erm that didn't make sench
change “how will we get them” to: “What will the Rangers DO in order to get them”
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Granlund is a very smart player and a playmaker but he is on the smallish side and there are skating concerns. he played very well in the Finnish league but for some reason struggled in the tournaments.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The Stars will take Granlund if we don’t (Not that I’m saying we should.). They love their Fins.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
pumped for tonight
not only to see who we get, but where everyone falls as a whole with all that talent that is available. have a feeling theres gonna be alot of wheelin and dealing tonight, i just hope were not part of it
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Hugh Jessiman
Pavel Brendl
Al Montoya
Lauri Korpokoski
Alexi Cheraponov (maybe shouldn’t be on the list)
Manny Malhotra
Stefan Cherneski
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 25, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Every last one of those was Pre-Gordie Clark (except Cheraponov, who shouldn’t be on the list)
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but the same guy is running the team
Form Wikepedia on J. Dolan
Early life
After originally pursuing a career in music, Dolan eventually switched to a major in communications at SUNY New Paltz and began working for Cablevision in various capacities including sales before eventually being dispatched to Cleveland by his father to manage the launching of a sports radio station. In 1995 he was made CEO of Cablevision.
Drug/alcohol abuse
Throughout his early adult life Dolan battled drug and alcohol problems and was reportedly known for having a volatile temper. In 1993 he was sent to drug rehabilitation at the Hazelden clinic in Center City, Minnesota.1
Recreational
Dolan performs blues-inspired rock as the singer for JD and the Straight Shot and is also an avid sailor.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Dolan’s not making the draft picks, only paying them. Since Clark took over:
2007: Cherepanov (1st), Hagelin (6th)
2008: Del Zotto (1st), Stepan (2nd), Grachev (3rd), Kundratek (3rd), Weise (4th)
2009: Kreider (1st), Werek (2nd), Bourque (3rd), Horak (5th)
And that doesn’t include the 2006 draft that got us Sanguinetti and Anisimov
Now, 2-3 years isn’t enough time to evaluate and obviously 2007 isn’t great, but considering that’s a list of a lot of our top prospects, I’d say there’s not much to worry about, at least not yet.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
seems to me that clark is a genius.. or atleast our scouting team is definitely doing their job
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With MDZ having the entirety of the NHL experience among that group, I wouldn’t go crazy just yet. It certainly looks promising though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Brendl was too good to trade.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not even the Sather era at that point. I appreciate the history, but focusing on a draft pick from 11 years ago with an entirely different management staff is fruitless.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And Brendl was gone within 2 years of being picked, and helped fetch us Lindros, which despite his head made of glass, was at least productive.
So it’s a different animal all together. Might be similar to Sanguinetti, we’ll see.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to say one thing about Malhotra...
He wasn’t a bust per se, but, he was misread by the “previous administration”.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
wich time does the draft start?
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Is it on the NHL Network also?
I prefer to watch it there because they affiliate with TSN Canada. They have much better coverage.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger Potential picks in play: 4, 8, 15… Florida says lots of interest in 15th overall, but no deal yet.
I sort of brought up the 15 yesterday and I would be very interested in getting a 2nd number 1 pick this year especially with the perceived weakness of next year’s draft right now. also moving up from 10 to 8 should ensure that Johansen was available or maybe even Nino. Moving all the way up to 4 would probably cost a significant amount that is probably too much. I really wish we had that 3rd rounder right now cause it could have been a very valuable trade chip.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
I think Nino AND Johansen are both going before 10. Apparently, Yzerman was lauding Johansen’s game yesterday, and if the Lightning don’t take Nino the Canes will. Moving up to 6 would most likely get us one of them.
As for Florida’s 15th, they’ve stated they’re looking for scoring. The rumor is the Oilers may shop Penner, in which case we can’t compete (I’m assuming we want to keep Gaborik.).
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Canes will pass on Nino if either Fowler or Gormley fall. Atlanta has an outside chance of taking Campbell.
It’s possible one is there.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Atl probably wants Campbell and because they have basically dealt away all their picks they would love to move back and get more picks which is why Dreger has their pick as “available”
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i havent said it much in here because Nino has become a cult hero, but in terms of playing I think Johansen is the better player, but Nino does have the excitement factor. For TB though with Stamkos already there Nino should be the pick imo, but not surprising to see Johansen being lauded by Yzerman.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
oh no..... its eklund
his site is reporting that the lecavelier is back on the table. his statement is basically that the rangers know the asking price from last yr and are seriously considering it. thank god he never gets anything right as this would murder our system and our cap for years and years and years and years
i believe mckenzie gave him credit for breaking the atl-chi deal the other day so he is well above quota for the year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont even want to think about what sather would give up to get VL
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
to take that contract they should have to give us hedman or stamkos, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
if they give us Stamkos with Vinny L, Im all for it. lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sather must’ve sold his soul if they do…
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
he still has it? they never would obviously but shows how little i want vinny and that contract.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing I would give to get Vinny.
We’re just starting to see the light of the tunnel with Drury and Rozsival, we don’t need to pile more shit on top of it.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed 1,00000000000000% im just guessing what sather would give up
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime needs to make a doomsday clock. Definitely all valid reasons to be scared. However, Gordie Clark has his sh** together and I believe that he’ll will make the best choice he can make. As he said before, the talent level for top 3 forwards drops off after Hall and Seguin, but their are plenty of interchangeable depth players following the top 2 forwards. How about Rozie + Sangs as part of a deal for Brad Richards (who has one yr remaining on his contract).
what would the rest of that deal be? not a very enticing start for dallas to say the least
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
didnt we have a large richards discussion this week? he had 91 points and they love him there. if they ever traded him it would be for a heck of a lot and to dump salary not to take Rozi back.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair rozi only has 7 mil over two yrs so he could still be involved in a salary dump situation for dallas thats less than 1 yr of richards at 7.8). i proposed a package of Rosi, AA and sangs with a high pick in next yrs draft. they still save money on that deal while getting some young talent.
that said i agree, leetch, they wont deal him now. if anything they will wait to see how they start the season next yr and then take things from there
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
oh he is a great asset to have at the deadline next season.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Rozie has 2 yrs left on his contract, so it wouldn’t be too bad for dallas. It will give them some veteran presence on the blueline to go along with Robidas and a young d-man in Sangs. I think they can afford Rozi b/c they’d still come out saving 3.8 mil by dealing Richards b/c Rozi’s cap hit is 4 mil this season and 3 mil the next. If Richards plays well, we can have a chance to re-sign him for a more reasonable price or just thank him and shed some salary.
by motherpucker on Jun 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re neglecting the minor detail that Richards just finished 7th in the league in scoring. Rozsival and Sangs do not represent anything in the vicinity of value to replace that.
They can be part of a deal, but you better be including some combination of Dubinsky, the #10, Grachev, McDonagh, Anisimov, Staal, Callahan. Probably 2-3 of those at minimum.
Dallas is in a (self imposed) cap crunch yes, but they’re not desperate.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
What about also picking up the rest of Avery’s contract and agreeing to rest him when Dallas comes to MSG?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That’d be a neat trick, since Demitra’s a UFA.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
ha, i was about to say we have to wait for him to sign with someone first. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bruins have stated that Savard is in play and that several Eastern teams are interested. His season of injuries should lessen his value, but every time he came back he was in top form. Any scenario in which we target him? I think he’d be an addition we could actually utilize.
if we are going to target a forward by trade right now with a big contract, rather look at Spezza.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Savard’s contract is alot friendlier for cap hit and a full $3m less, but Spezza is worth the look.
I still don’t think we should bother with these $7m contracts right now.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but savard is already 32 and has 6 years left on his deal, right? i know he could retire, but with the concussions as well makes me shy away.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t need another LaFontaine.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
About to turn 33, deal takes him until he’s 40. I agree wholeheartedly that I don’t want to take him on, but I wasn’t sure if you thought his deal was more than $4m, since $4m isn’t really a big contract. Though now that I think about it, big could be length of contract.
Moving on..nothing to see here…
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i was talking more about the length + injuries than money though i did think it was 5 not 4 mil per.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The more i look at how the draft projects to unfold we should look to move back a couple spots and take Etem. I dont see Nino, Connolly or Johansen being there. PHX 13, 22, 52 for 10, 40 would be great. maybe don would take sangs instead of the 2nd. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
Savard setting the table for Gabby? Why didn;t we just keep him when we had him. How many head injuries has he had?
TSN’s Dreger is reporting that a bunch of teams are looking to trade picks. This makes sense since everybody keeps saying that picks 5 thru 50 are similar talent-wise. I hope Glen doesn’t do anything stupid.
We’ll make the most of this draft by trading down for more later-round picks. If we draft at 10, I think we’ll most likely wind up taking Skinner (I have Connolly, Nino, and Johansen going 6, 7, & 9.). Either way, we’re not bad off.
I disagree that the drop-off is at 5. It’s at 8 or 9, unfortunately for us… If we trade up to 6, we’ll nab a potential star, but that’s when things get dicey with Sather.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly…your source for everything hockey (ESPN) is saying Carolina wants a C if they can’t get one of the 3 top D-men. Their mock still stays Nino there, but apparently at least someone is saying they want Johansen, or even B-russian-ov.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just reading that, and read the rumor central section on Souray to either the Rangers or Buffalo.
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Take ESPN with a pound of salt, but the Souray rumors seriously won’t die (from places I do trust), and I’m honestly terrified because of it.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re taking on Souray, we better be getting the first pick of the draft!!!
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No names.
Just that the Rangers are one of the few teams asking about him.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I never put much faith in those rumors, but now that Renney is the head coach. I could see the Rangers swapping Souray for Rozi. I wouldn’t like it, but it may make ranger fans finally appreciate that Rozi is not a horrible D-man.
Well, the thing is the Oilers have a shit ton of forwards and only so many spots, so they’re almost assuredly trying to tack people on, names that aren’t worth much, Nilsson, O’Sullivan, Cogliano, Moreau….
If it was just Souray/Rozsival, I wouldn’t care much. It’s the idea that it won’t be 1 for 1 that scares me.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The only forward I want off that team is Penner.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Edmonton’s looking for a later 1st round pick in addition to their #1, and we don’t sound like we’re shopping 10. The Souray thing might fall through just because of Edmonton’s priorities.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take some of their shitty 1-yr remaining deals if it can get them to take Redden.
Penner’s hardly their only good forward though. Hemsky, Gagner are both quite acceptable to me, as are their top prospects, Eberle or MPS. I don’t think any of the 5 are actually available, maybe Penner.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
MPS as you know is the one i would want and i would give up the 10 easily to get him.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
For some reason, I don’t see that. I agree though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i agree they wouldnt if that is what you meant.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagner’s another option. Hemsky’s injury-prone.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s also a poor man’s Gaborik, in that when he is healthy, he’s a point per game player.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The isles are looking to move back in the draft to pick up a forward instead of a defenseman hopefully they avoid niño so we can pic him up
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Weird, since it’d be quite easy for them to just take Connolly.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, if they feel the usual suspects (johansen, nino, etc) are just as good, it’s worth getting a little extra value.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well yzerman could be in the best spot at 6, ironically cause at least two of connolly, nino and johansen should be there.
I could see Carolina trying to hop TB to get Johansen in front of Yzerman after how he spoke of him yesterday.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid non-tanking Rangers. lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding. we lose just those two games to the isles and we are 7th i believe
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Dan Hamhuis is not at all close on contract talks with PHI and at this point, all signs point to him going to UFA.
NHLSourcesSay @TSNBobMcKenzie reporting the same thing i have been hearing…Hamhuis is NOT close to a deal with Flyers. Talks went sour yesterday.
i would guess at least 3.5 possibly as much as 4.5
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see that Dreger is reporting “whispers” of the Philly trading Hamhuis’s rights to Vancouver now. Crazy. There is so much hype and so many rumors.
that was earlier before the talk of volchenkov going there. dont see them doing both.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
but with all the talk have to assume they are getting 1 of them.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a question...
Is there any players in the draft that could be an immediate impact with the Rangers? I mean i know there are a lot of guys who down the road could be impact players, but immediately… Obviously besides Hall and Seguin… and if there are what is the likely hood we nab them… also dregger tweeted that the isles 5 pick may be available could we have some way to trade up to nab nino?
let me take the larger view. Hall, Seguin, Fowler and Gubrandson probably make clubs this fall while Connolly, Nino and maybe Gormley depending on where would have a shot. Johansen is probably a year away.
It depends on what you mean by impact because if you look at players straight from the draft the past two years most of them played ok but not huge impacts other than Duchene last year. doughty, stamkos had huge 2nd years and myers obviously as a rookie but 2nd year from draft.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just concerned with obviously making the team out of camp… having an impact was to general a question… haha… thanks though I haven’t been able to follow all the prospect stuff as closely as i usually do because of law school…
well we have some of our own from prior drafts that have a shot to make our club out of camp. McDonagh (obviously not drafted by us) if he signs is ready to be here; Jess at Prospect Park thinks Werek might be with the effort he is putting in this summer. Grachev would be interesting, but i think another year in Hartford especially with Stepan would be good for him.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Tarasenko can probably step right in, I think.
Thing with the Rangers organization though is it’s very unlikely that whoever it is, including Nino, would probably not step right in unless they were overwhelming in camp. Maybe things will change after MDZ was given a shot at 19, I just don’t see anybody we end up with instantly making the lineup.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the opposite in some ways because while MDZ had the great start that made them keep him, the struggles during the year might them more concerned about keeping someone that young all year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Gilroy who came in straight off the FA market and eventually was sent down.
I hope I’m wrong and whoever it is sets the world on fire, but it’s not the worst thing if that person is a year away, he can join Grachev and Stepan.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well he cant if he played in the canadian junior league
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This seemed like a big thing with MDZ. Although I can’t remember any Ranger brass saying it, it didn’t seem like they wanted him playing another year in Juniors. I bet he would have been in Hartford, if eligible.
oh they definitely would have sent him down to hartford if they could have.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant in making the NHL team, but I did forget about the whole juniors thing too.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh ok, i thought u meant to play together this year in hartford and be ready for the nhl in a year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
personally i wish they would decide to really give the rebuild the go and let the kids play instead of searching for the FA’s and while they will struggle at times, they will learn and we will see the point and have hope for the future. i think of it like what colorado did last year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope thats not the case because generally, and i’m speaking generally, when players enter the league they either are mediocre, or they get off to hot starts and then fall appart… either way something bad is happening in there first season… it’s just a learning curve… I think if somebody is on the cusp… given our cap situation it would make more sense to let the young guy play, hit that learning curve, and grow from thereafter… obviously there are other factors that go into this stuff like players confidence and such… also playing time, but i think the rangers are in the position to allow some young guys to get the playing time they need to learn and grow…
oh im not advocating throwing them in if they arent ready, but if it a borderline thing, let a young kid get his feet instead of an old stop gap and im talking about guys who could be in hartford vs here. the ones where juniors is the option in most cases it is better to send them back instead of having them suffer all year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
my biggest concern with this club right now actually is the coaching in Hartford because look at every prospect there last year and none of them took any step forward, so i worry about development, while our kids in college or juniors all improved.
Hartford’s becoming a place where talent goes to die. We need to make that jump to Rochester and mix things up.
by PowerForward on Jun 25, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
could it be the coaching… or possibly the actual quallity of our prospects in hartford… i mean all we get are projections of what they should be… however you never know… brendl point in case… lol
disagree because they changed that staff last year. before that we were having players improve and many of those same guys stunted last year (Sangs, Sauer being huge examples)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
in talking with Jess from Prospect Park he said it was part of why McDonagh and Stepan were initially so hesitant to leave school and turn pro. McDonagh still isnt for sure.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know for sure, but a lot of that depends on if people get elevated to other jobs within or out of the organization.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasn’t disagreeing with you… i was just bringing up a potential point… but yea that could be a major concern…
understood and if the staff had been the same i would even agree with it.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
stepan signed a 2way contract correct? if thats the case maybe mcdonagh is holding out for a 1 way in hope of avoiding the setbacks of hartford… i mean if he holds out it could be another year at college where i personally think he’s maxed out his potential… I think the biggest question the rangers have to ask themselves is it hartford, or the Rangers… if he doesn’t want to play in NY we may be in for some issues, and may end up having to move him… which if thats the case could happen today…
Bigger issue is that if the deal doesn’t get done with McDonagh now, they run the risk of losing his rights next year.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I forget what rumor it was, but Sather already balked once at trading him. I don’t see him moving unless someone throws a home run deal at Sather.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It was where Nashville wanted mcdonaugh as a part of the arnott trade
by b4mv01 on Jun 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahh…yes. Thanks.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he has told Jess personally he wants to be in NY, he just wants to try and win a title at Wisconsin and they made him Captain so that is the issue as to whether he would come out this year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh… that complicates things a bit… i think at the end of the day… he has to make a decision for his future… I mean personally i wouldn’t hesitate to take the next step rather than staying behind… if you knwo what i mean…
i think it has been made a lot more likely for a few reasons.
Wisconsin lost a ton of talent between seniors and underclassmen leaving early and the fact that Stepan is apparently coming so either he is in NY or he is with Derek at Hartford in all likelihood.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be fine anyway because while we all love to speculate…if nothing actually happens with Rozsival or Redden, there won’t be many/any D spots available.
Though I think McDonagh would step right in and kick Gilroy to the curb if need be.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that would be the scenario that he takes gilroy’s spot unless he has taken big strides this summer.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed i think that if a decent deal comes along for gilroy he could be gone. not playing him down the stretch last yr really showed what torts thought of him, even if was only a rookie. i still think he has potential but it doesnt seem like he has much backing in the organization right now
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Most likely scenario if that’s true:
a) Gilroy spends a year in HFD, not re-signed
b) Gilroy traded during this draft
c) Gilroy moved to win
d) something else
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say
They should try Gilroy on Wing.
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jun 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
After hearing all this… a lot hinges on McDonagh… I mean if they believe they can sign him and he will step in and be a big upgrade over gilroy… would they consider moving gilroy… I would love to hold on to gilroy, because i think he has the potential to be a huge threat offensively as a defensemen
i would move gilroy especially if i could get a 3 for him.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the two way vs one way has nothing to do with where he can play. the difference is in his salary as in a two way they get X if they are in the NHL and less if in the minors. All EL deals are two way by the way.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
is ther a limit to bonuses on EL deals? i know there is a salary max and a three yr time period but what can the bonuses get to?
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well the base salary max i believe is 900K while the rest of it is bonuses.
i believe the max after bonuses is around 3.8 mil.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds right, Tavares is at 900k, 2.85m bonus.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what kind of bonus is stepan expected to get and what would McD command? if i remember seeing correctly sather gave MZA something like a 900K signing bonus which seemed pretty steep to me for an unproven player in north america
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
usually those are based on where they were chosen so Stepan will probably get a basic deal similar to AA, while McDonagh who was the 12 pick probably gets a slightly larger one more in line with MDZ
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt how long it took them to get to the NHL affect that though? i mean McD was drafted befor MDZ and he’s still not guarenteed to make the team this yr, so wouldnt he have little to no leverage on the front office?
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
as i said all EL’s are two way so if he doesnt make the team it doesnt matter what the contract number is he gets much less.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought they still get the signing bonus no matter where they play though
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
was MDZ expected to make the team when he signed his?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
whats your point? McD is older and its obviously taken him a lot longer to become nhl ready. my questions was simply: does that fact affect the amount he will get as a signing bonus
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you said he had no leverage since he might not make the team. and just because he stayed in college doesnt mean it took him longer to be nhl ready. you could also argue that just because MDZ was in the NHL doesnt mean he was nhl ready. all things come into play im sure.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention his leverage is as people have speculated if he doesnt sign this summer he could wait them out next summer and the rangers lose his rights and he becomes a fa
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a fair point… i wanted to sign a damn contract already so we can start moving forward with plans. him being in the system makes gilroy or sangs very expendable
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
*I want HIM to sign a damn contract already
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing bonuses are limited to 30% of the total compensation
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance the rangers move a conditional 1st rounder for 2011… i mean that draft is supposed to be pretty barren from what i’ve heard
i would and sangs to FLA if it would get me the 15 pick, but seems like florida wants to use it to get a vet.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
give em rosi and redden! there two well respected vets right?
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you should consider yourself lucky if you dont get struck by lighting for using respected and those names in the same breath.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the gods understand sarcasm so i consider myself safe
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe they just feel bad enough for us having to deal with them for so long already, ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Only in Russians and Canadians. The US U18 team is pretty stacked I believe, and it’s supposed to be a deep class for Swedes/Finns as well.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting… into play yet again is the translation to NA style of play… obviously not for the U18 guys but the Swedes/Finns… but do you think since this draft is so deep that they might move that pick to get a few other picks for this draft? Problem is that we have to establish where we might fall next year… like are we going to be bottom of the barrel or are we going to be stanley cup winners… obviously history tells us we will fall in the middle somewhere…
I already said I’d trade next year picks for this years. Just clarifying that a “weak class” doesn’t mean there will be no talent. whatsoever.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
sure and even though it is weak on Canada two of the top 3 are canadian.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sean Coutier and Adam Larsson are consider the top prospects.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it took too long. one of the biggest draws for a team with kaberle was he was signed for a few years at below market rate and now it is only 1 left.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
there is all kinds of rumors coming out of broadstreet bullies… talks with hamhuis… trading for tim thomas… perhaps jonathon bernier of the kings… Canucks gunning for hamhuis, flyers may be open to trading hamhuis rights to canucks… crazy stuff going on in flyer world…
i like bernier, but if la has quick available why not go after him as a low priced high quality netminder. i saw rumors of hartnell to la yesterday.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yea… I would assume since quick signed that extension last year he would be slated to be the #1 in LA… i saw hartnell to LA as well since stevens is there and hartnell thrived under stevens… also i’ve heard carter’s name being mention to possibly pull in bernier or quick… who knows whats going on in philly if hamhuis doesn’t sign… there has also been rumors about tim thomas being traded to philly… lol it’s getting nuts
and its nice and quiet around here… very odd
by BronxBeliever on Jun 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
not really, sather is usually quiet around this time and all that pent up energy explodes July 1 in the form of bloated contracts.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you would assume that about quick until i saw this: http://nhlsourcessay.blogspot.com/2010/06/quick-on-block.html
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think that would be a mistake… whether it’s true or not who knows rumors are rumors… but why trade a young promising, and cheaper goalie to get tim thomas an aging goalie with a bloated contract… baffles my mind… is sather running la now too? lol… i mean i’m sure the hope is that bernier pans out to be the number one when thomas is gone, and quick will be a way to get the most return… however if bernier doesn’t pan out… now you’re back to square one… and with goaltending… i think thats something that shouldn’t be toyed with… just my opinion… i wasn’t aware they would even think of trading him good find leetch
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he had 10 more points than Grachev last year in Hfd in 19 fewer games, (Grachev was 12 16-28 in 80 games) and a better + He also improved his point production and goal scoring
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why are you comparing a 19 yr old with his first year in professional hockey and took a year less to get to the professional ranks to a now 22 yr old who was there for 2 years? also with sanguinetti the problem isnt points it is that the hole’s he had in his game are still there 3 years later or he would already be here. Finally how does 42 pts in 78 games count as increased production to 4 less points in 17 less games the year before?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
his points per game increased. .623 vs .538
thats increased production. who’s roster spot was he going to fill anyway? And…he has only played 2 years in hartford, the 2 prior were after juniors, which they can do.
Derek Jeter spent 4 years in the minor leagues. Starting in Gulf coast league, which is below A ball. Maybe the Yankees should have given up after 2 years?
just because Jeter made it doesnt mean that Sangs will.
Me personally wouldnt mind trading Sangs for a good player in the draft.
My Sather review: Even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day
Not implying Sangs is Jeter, just illustrating it takes some guys a little longer to blossum.
and what is the rush? until redden and rosival are gone, there is no spot in the rotation.
Keep in mind Gilroy went straight from College to Pro, thats 45 game season to 82. Its no wonder his played suffered late in the year and was benched. Same argument in support of Grachev can be used in support of Gilroy. He was voted the BEST player in college hockey.
Gilroy, also, hasn’t been a defenseman for that long. It started to show. He really should have been in Hartford all year with either Sauer, Potter, or the Finn rotating in his spot.
I am not pumping Gilroy
but, out of training camp last year, i think everyone could agree he was deserving of a roster spot. He even started the season well.
who’s roster spot was he going to fill anyway?
Why not Gilroy’s? Anyway, it’s not that we want to give up on him, but it seems like the organization has. So he’s a popular name because he actually has value, so might be able to help fetch some of the players fans would like to see added.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How has the organization given up on him?
because he hasn’t been promoted? He had a 5 game chance. just llike some other guys got a shot. That competition is what drives improvement
kausatoday Walk into Staples Center and hear Oilers trying to acquire Boston’s No. 2 pick to go with their No. 1. Hard to believe Bruins will deal it..
could you imagine? would be nuts if it happened.
stevezipay Executives arriving and Rangers table is basically center of floor; Sather already talking to Don Maloney!
let’s hope it is to give us 13 and 22.
Or the newly signed Wolski. lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
how many guys are left that maloney was part of drafting? lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t think so, they’ll probably open another one at ‘game’ time
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure. Versus only allocated 3 hours to this, so probably 5 min.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello.
I dont know if you guys remember me at all, but hi!
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions
Checking in on everyone today, eh?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
You musta saw me at the Islanders blog then.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah…just noticed you had comments on about 10 different sites today.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 25, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I like going to a lot of blogs.
Im checking out everyones draft though.
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