A Well Thought Out Analysis Of Dylan McIlrath
When the New York Rangers allowed players like Cam Fowler and Brandon Gormley to walk right past them, I think all of us here—myself included—were … well … filled with unquenchable rage unhappy. But with a night to think about it, and with consistent friendly little reminders that, yes, Gordie Clark drafted this kid; I have calmed down and realized that it was actually a great pick.
While many of you would have preferred Nino Niederreiter, Ryan Johansen or maybe even Jeff Skinner; once those guys were off the board there was no need to go after an offensive defenseman. Right now Michael Del Zotto is filling that position in the NHL and Bobby Sanguinetti and a plethora of other plays are filling it in the minors.
So what the Rangers did, was go out there and draft the biggest, meanest, most effective crease clearer in the draft. And as we all sat in front of our TV’s and computers with our mouths agape, gasping "whaaaaa," we failed to realize that Clark took a player that filled the exact need we have all been begging for.
How many times have you seen people on this site talking about the need for a crease clearing, bone crunching defenseman? How many times have you seen people say that they would throw millions of dollars at other, older, players of this sort because it was such a pressing need on this team?
Join me after the jump for much, much more:
In Dylan McIlrath’s 65 WHL games he put up 7 goals and 17 assists for 24 points. While his offense is by no means one of the calling card’s of his game, it’s still a tool that he is improving on. Mynhldraft.com has a full write up on him, written by thescoutingreport.org, I want to highlight a few things that they had to say about him and I bolded a few of the vital points:
Coming into his draft year as a 17 year old, McIlrath looked to vastly improve on those statistics with an improving team, and he would not disappoint. While playing in 65 of the team’s 72 games, McIlrath went on to make a name for himself as one of the most intimidating players in the entire WHL; not an easy feat for any player – let alone a 17 year old.Dylan put up 7 goals, 17 assists, a +20 rating, and 169 penalty minutes, all improving upon his rookie year – and earning him an invite to the CHL Top Prospect’s game. He would also go on to add 1 assist and a whopping 21 penalty minutes in 7 playoff games, while going -3 against the eventual WHL Champion Calgary Hitmen.
Most players will probably avoid the front of the net when playing the Warriors, unless they want to find themselves face-to-face with McIlrath, who is going to win the physical battle the majority of the time. He is a classic warrior, and the type of player that coaches love to have on their side – and hate to play against.
Anyone looking for videos of McIlrath will find a wide range of fight videos, but Dylan has also proven himself to be a very valuable defender. While limited in his offensive ability, he posted respectable numbers on a fairly weak team this season, and has shown potential in his heavy shot from the point. With 271 penalty minutes in 118 regular season games, there is no questioning McIlrath’s toughness, which is his biggest asset. The biggest thing for him to improve on is his acceleration and skating all around, but as far as mean, nasty defensive defencemen go, there aren’t many players as attractive as McIlrath.
Gordie Clark got his man, and I’m actually really, really happy about it. There are still some winners on the board for offense—mainly Krill Kabanov, I know that none of you want him but the kid has serious talent and I want him bad. But for the time being, no matter who the Rangers take, know that McIlrath fills out a need that is much more pressing than another scorer. At least if we’re not making the playoffs we can watch this kid destroy some souls.
For those of you worried about his skating, don't be. He is only 18 years old, and every expert has said that his skating has improved dramatically since the beginning fo the year. No, that doesn't mean it's great right now, but it is improving. At 18 he has plenty of time to grow in that category, so no need to worry about it today. He might be a few years away from the Rangers, but he is probably clsoer to NHL-ready than most of the other defenseman the Rangers could have taken.
And while it might not be by scoring goals, this kid will light up the score sheet for years to come. By dropping the gloves with other teams, not allowing other players to just park in front of Henrik Lundqvistand by finally punishing players who skate in the zone with their head down. This kid is an instant winner, going to be a fan favorite, and fills a position left vacant since Jeff Beukeboom left. Believe me, when you actually sit down and think about this, he was a can't miss.
And trust me, when McIlrath is destroying that suddenly very overrated punk "El Nino," no one will be dissapointed.
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Agreed
I too at first was angry for not grabbing one of the named kids the TV guys were all talking about, then I saw this kid and looked up his numbers and said.. this guy looks like someone we can use! After those Offense kids went I think grabbing a Dman who is a need for us was wise.
Ehhh
This guy has limited, and that’s being nice, offensive potential. Essentially, he’s a crease clearing d-man who is a couple years away from the show. I think they could have done better.
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I think that his offensive game might come to life.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 26, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
its all a crapshhot boys....we finally have a big fuckin nasty defenseman whose gonna wreck havoc on the east and some guys still aren't happy......we don't know what fowler is gonna be like...a matt gilroy maybe ? give slats credit for taking a chance
You also don’t know what McIlrath will be like. I don’t know him, but I’m skeptical of the fact that in general he wasn’t ranked too high.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
We wanted toughness, now we got it.
Fans were set to bitch and moan if we drafted Jesus Christ incarnate.
I like the pick.
yea ok...
Your all dumb… maybe hell turn out OK but you dont draft for need at the 10th overall spot….when top prospects like a CAM FOWLER or all around defenseman like Gormley are available. The only highlight for McIlrath( if you saw his interview) is a highlight of someone else going right around him. At the NHL level he wont look so bad liek he does playing with boys since he cant skate. And even if he somehow pans out in 5 years from now theres no reason they couldnt have traded down. Any team in there right mind would have taken fowler or gormley and then mcilrath (unfortunately) would still have been available. Anyway your all trying to convince yourselves that the rangers arent the biggest draft screwup, they better do something today and get kabanov. What they really should of done was trade up when emerson etem dropped. but no glen slather is the worst GM. how i wish we had don maloney
"you're all dumb" excuse me?
Maybe you haven’t been watching games where teams throw their weight around, run Hank over, and not be punished for skating in our defensive zone. Obviously you haven’t watched any games for the past … Oh I dunno 10 years?
The Rangers drafted for need. They have that big mean defenseman that you and every other Ranger fan wants. Jess Rubenstein is right, Del Zotto is five times the offensive weapon Fowler is and McIlrath is ten times the enforcer and a better defensive D-man.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 26, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
by the time Mcllrath arrives who knows if hank will still even be here….
rangers said they were thinking 4 years minimum…..
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats what i was thinking. At least 3 years from making the team.
I was sooo pissed last night after the selection. After sleeping on it and reading the scouting reviews i don’t feel as bad but I still think we should have taken Fowler.
5 years down the road we might be saying what a terrific pick he was and I definately think this team will be a very good team by then. But as for right now…i’m not too happy.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 26, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
perfect pick
at 18 years old and as nasty as he is, he’s only going to improve and learn the tricks of the game. the answer to the flyers pronger. but the rangers need to start bringing up the kids a little faster and get them the experience that they need in order to succeed. i like the pick :D
I dunno guys, I just randomly pulled up a few vids of this dude on youtube and I like what I see. Drops his gloves in an instant in defense of teamates, total headhunter at mid-ice, and has a wicked hook which he somehow manages to connect dead on with a jersey pulled over his face. Assuming he’s not a defensive liability w subpar skating, I’m thinking we’re gonna get a lot outta this kid. One word – nasty.
by schwartzy on Jun 26, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
you never know...
Maybe Sather could have drafted down and gotten Mcilrath but he may have been off the boards then too> This was a crazy draft and the Rangers were not the only teams to pass on Fowler and Gormley. The Rangers need a banging, punishing d-man and we got the best one in the draft. Del Zotto alleviates the need for another puck moving defenseman. Lets give Gordie Clark and Dylan Mcilrath the benefit of the doubt….This by no means waqs me trying to defend Sather
yea other teams passed on fowler and gormley but to pick offense. If they wanted defense im sure theyd have taken cam fowler or gormley
I highly doubt that anyone who passed over Fowler
was simply ‘not picking defense’.
That’s most likely why he fell, he’s not a good defender.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. There is always a rhyme or reason to why these players fall so far. That many teams just don’t pass on him because of stupidity. There is a reason.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 26, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
not always, sometimes drops are steals.
Staal dropped big time to NYR
Getzlaf had huge drop projected 3rd went like 19th
Anze Kopitar had huge drop
Zach Parise had major drop
There are others too, i just dont remember off the top of my head. Sometimes people drop for just no reason at all.
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
so you're putting Fowler in that class already?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
no im just saying sometimes people drop for no reason at all, there isnt always a great undiscovered reason why people drop
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, so the teams passing look like total idiots now.
Well maybe not so much those last three—all 2003, right?
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
People are saying that Fowler and Gormley don’t play with as much intensity, heart on sleeve-i-ness as other guys.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Larry Brooks reported that the Dallas stars were prepared to take him at 11th had we traded down in expectation he’d be there
by b4mv01 on Jun 26, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok did we draft a hockey player or a boxer?
Yeah we def need a crease clearing tough defensive defenseman………..BUT NOT AT 10TH OVERALL!!!! With a top 10 pick you should be able to draft a gamechanger or very close to it. I would have been ecstatic w Gormley or Fowler but we came up w Mcilrath. And now theres talk that he may not even b a d man but a physical winger or “enforcer”………….are you f-ing kidding me?!!!! An enforcer with the 10th pick? I’ll tell you right now, when Fowler turns into Duncan Keith and he’s flying all over the place controlling the flow of the game tell me this was a great pick………….(this message was left from a miserable ranger fan!!!!)
by giantsNYrangers on Jun 26, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
apparently McIlrath
was going at #11 overall, so its really not like the Rangers reached.
So that means that if the Rangers had someone else not named McIlrath or Fowler or Gormley…that McIlrath was gonna be taken ahead of Fowler or Gormley no matter what.
I haven’t heard that there’s a character issue with Fowler, so there’s gotta be a reason why he fell and that 2 teams that would’ve chosen a defenseman, the Rangers and Stars, pass on Fowler for McIlrath.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
actually he was projected at 15.......so it is a bit of a reach but not a huge one.
Granted for his style of play we got the cream of the crop but can u tell me we couldnt of grabbed Fowler in the 1st and then found a player of Mcilraths style later on in the draft?……….
by giantsNYrangers on Jun 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he was "projected" at 15
but that doesn’t matter.
How much more credible is a mock draft then Larry Brooks apparently saying that the Stars were poised to grab him at #11?
Its a matter of who you believe.
McIlrath apparently does have something that any other anonymous enforcer in the draft has
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said...
the idea that the Stars were gonna draft McIlrath, means they were passing on Fowler too, at #11 in favor of McWrath
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i get it bro.....i do..........and i hope i wind up wrong in my opinion on this pick.....
im just real pissed right now….and i just read LB’s article that he was “projected” as a late 1st early 2nd………well we will all have to wait at least 3 or 4 yrs to see………..Rangers better have a real good day today tho………….
by giantsNYrangers on Jun 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you get it..just saying
I probably go with Fowler too, but what do I know? And yea, I think they’ll “make up for it” today.
Gordie the past 2 drafts seemed to get 6 nice players in the first 3 rounds. So I ain’t gonna hold it against him, and I’ll give him the benefit on McIlrath too (…kinda like Jerry Reese…oh god..)
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully when Mcilrath is driving Crosby and parise into the boards we will all be laughing about today..............
hopefully.
by giantsNYrangers on Jun 26, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Nino!
God i hate the Isles!!!
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
me too :(
I think Wang found this site, saw all our hype for him, and was like “lets screw with Sather today” :P
if that’s the case next year we hype the 300th best prospect to get him to draft them. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe is Right
And just to give credit where it is due, Jim calmed us all down when we went completely ape****. Anyway, in 3 years from now, you will be saying that you love McIlrath. Maybe Fowler would’ve been a better choice, but nonetheless, McIlrath will be a mean S.O.B.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 26, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
I think Fowler was actually NHL ready this year, thats what tsn was saying and i heard it elsewhere too
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Does anyone know when day two is supposed to start? I can’t find the Info anywhere
by b4mv01 on Jun 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Could’ve been better… could’ve been worse.
I’m not furious, but feel a bit disappointed, though that might just be because the Isles got Nino and not because we got McIlrath.
I’m still not sold on the pick yet. I’d love to have the big crease clearing D-man we’ve been begging for for years, but honestly, are we really that sure this kid will make it to the NHL? And if he does, will it really be in 3 years?
And do we really believe Larry Brooks that Dallas was definitely drafting McIlrath at 11? I don’t.
People in the other thread are already calling him a possible shutdown top pairing defenseman…. that’s the first I’ve heard of his potential in that regard. I’m sure it seems like that in the minors because he just hits people from other teams toplines – but if his skating isn’t great, NHLers will just go around him and he’ll be out of position going for the hit. I mean, is he really a great Defensive D-man, or JUST a physical one?
I read somewhere that he was a turnover machine, will that continue to plague him?
And what about those 21 PIMs in 7 playoff games? That’s not gonna fly with any NHL coach, let alone Torts.
I know there’s questions surrounding every pick, outside of the first couple, but I just wasn’t expecting to have this many i guess.
Maybe he'll turn into a Hal Gill
Big, tough, and good positionally. Not to great a skater.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear about the knocks on his skating
but he’s a 6"5 215lbs 17 year old kid. If he’s a great skater, he goes top 5 at least.
Of course he’s gonna be a big idiot on skates. I can’t see how his skating is gonna be worse as he ages and gets stronger.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Whom in the NHL do you look at and say, ‘That’s someone I need to be playing like?’
"A guy that I like to model myself around is a Shea Weber type. In junior [with Kelowna of the WHL] he was more of a shutdown defender and developed his offensive abilities later on. That is what I am striving for."
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by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
Style compares to: If he continues to develop, Shea Weber or Dion Phaneuf. If he stays where he is/flatlines, Adam Foote with a little Matt Carkner thrown in for good measure.
Not saying I necessarily buy that as they all get compared in some part to stars but if “at worst” he is Adam Foote and has a career like Foote we did very well.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
McIlrath finished the season strong, tallying 16 points (five goals and 11 assists) in 29 games after the New Year.
This was after Isles prospect Travis Homonic was traded from MooseJaw allowing McIlrath to play more minutes and get some PP time.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Now that the initial shock and disappointment has worn off...
I’m OK with the pick. I just never thought in a million years Fowler and Gormley would be sitting there at 10. Was also pissed that the Isles landed Nino, and Johansen was long gone (damn-4th overall?) … Even though the Rangers did not need another offensive D-man, my initial reaction was “why the hell didn’t you move down a couple spots if you wanted McIlrath and get something in return?” But if Dallas was going to grab him at 11… well whatever, like they say, hindsight is 20/20.
If this kid improves his skating and develops any semblance of an offensive game over the next couple of years, they could have themselves a beast of a player. I HATED Derian Hatcher with a passion, but if McIlrath turns out to be similar , I’ll take it. Have to somehow neutralize the Crosby’s and Ovechkin’s… Lord knows the Rangers can’t match that kind of firepower. I just hope Lundqvist is still at the top of his game when he’s in his early 30’s.
guys to target today at 40: Galiev, Toffoli, Petr Straka, Pulkkinen, Calle Jarnkok, Jon Merrill, Ludvig Rensfeldt, Kabanov
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
YES
Galiev, Pulkkinen, Rensfeldt …
We got a banger, now go get some OFFENSE… Still scared of Kabanov though
by AZRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
i like Toffoli as a RW prospect. 37G 42A in 67 games with 7G 6A in the playoffs
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
do you know who Toffoli's linemates were in junior last year?
by AZRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
no, but they put him with Seguin at the U18 championships. i believe he played w cody lindsay as one linemate for most of the year. martindale was on the team but they didnt play together.
profile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cHGNUGY_Jo comparisons listed by EJ McGuire Tim Connolly and Stephen Weiss.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
yeah that’s it, I thought I read somewhere recently he had played with Seguin
by AZRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that assuming Pitlick won’t fall another 10 spots?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think most of those guys will be certainly dont see Pitlick doing it, though i thought i typed him in there, ;-) seen him talked about as a Mueller type.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if you throw McFarland in there too, you’ve got 10 guys, so we’re guaranteed one of ’em.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont like mcfarland. he has talent but i cant stand guys who are just lazy or dont show up
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I don’t want him, but he’s a potential 31-39 guy.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i think a lot of guys could go anywhere b/w 31 and 50 right here. hoping we can deal Gilroy for a high 3.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sather has to be active today.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Jordan Weal
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Undertaker
My main concern is that this kids probably a good 3-4 years away from making the NHL, so the reason for taking him so the rationale for taking him so early shrinks. Who is going to kick butt until he makes the team?
by stan from bayside on Jun 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
mcdonagh with klassen and kundratek on the way.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
At least one of the K guys should be traded at this point.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
more likely they start dumping the hartford guys (potter, sauer, even Sangs)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, something. That’s 6 extra D-man, and doesn’t mention Valentenko and Niemi, let alone Williams and Maggio.
Understood some of them are/will be likely career Hartford guys, but that’s alot of defenseman to be holding on to.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Williams certainly can go, Maggio goes back to juniors
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention Gilroy and maybe they finally do something with the sisters
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well are the Rangers contenders now?
I doubt any of the rooks available at #10 were gonna make the Rangers a legit playoff team.
And even if Fowler is closer to the NHL, was he gonna make them tougher? Or wasn’t that why he fell, cuz he’s a puss?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Have to agree...
There’s no one player in this draft that makes the Rangers contenders so regardless of who we took we were selecting for the future. Gordie and Slats were looking for a player to make this team better in 2 or 3 years. I think they got him.
I don’t want a player dropping like a rock in the draft, I want a player rising like a rocket. This guy moved up to 15 by central scouting and was going to 15 to Florida, 11 to Dallas or 10th to us. I’m glad we got him and not them.
I’ve just accepted the fact that this team is not going to be very good in the short-term… hate to say it, but I expect nothing in 2010-11… I know, terrible attitude to have, but that’s what 30 years of being a Ranger fan will do to a person. I’m just hoping players like Grachev, Stepan, Kreider, Anisimov, etc. continue to improve over the next couple seasons. The foundation is there. Hopefully I won’t be dead by the time they put a legitimate contender on the ice.
by AZRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking of being teh suck in 2010-11
who’s at the top of next year’s class?
Is the top as ’strong" as this year?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam Larsson, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sean Coutier are the top 3 right now.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
This year was supposed to be weak until like two months ago. Expect more of the same.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
very few called this draft weak that i saw. the claims were always that it is very good for the first 2-3 rounds, then there was drop off but the talent in the top couple rounds was strong.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean like beginning of the year it was supposed to be just that—a class is either deep or weak, from what I’ve been reading. Wasn’t 2008 like that too?
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
probably a good 3-4 years away from making the NHL
Derian Hatcher, Brendan Witt, Hal Gill, and even Zdeno Chara all had some serious growing pains and delays before making the NHL. Hope y’all are patient…
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Between 2003, 2008, and 2009, we are massively spoiled with young guys making an immediate impact.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
to all the haters...
so we were supposed to take fowler or gormley, both puck-moving defensemen, instead of mcilrath? so that would mean that we have MDZ, sangs, gilroy AND another offensive defensemen? that sounds pretty silly to me.
i’m not saying mcilrath is gonna be a stud, but i don’t see any reason for us to have drafted for a role that we’re pretty well-stocked at.
Disagree
MDZ can move the puck and score occasionally. But he is a defensive liability. Sangs may not be good enough to play in the NHL. Gilroy needs to work on all aspects of his game. And then there are the R&R twins. We have one of the shakiest Ds in the NHL. Only Staal is a first rate defender. We need immediate help in the form of more defenders that can defend and move the puck out of the zone to our forwards.
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You say we have one of the shakiest Ds in the NHL and need more defenders that can defend. Fowler probably wouldn’t have been an improvement. Scouts say he’s a great skater with an offensive mind, but VERY lost in his own zone. Then Gormley has a huge hockey IQ, but pretty iffy on his skates. How do either of those options help our defense? We drafted a defensive-defenseman, exactly what you say we are looking for.
…there’s a reason teams still put out guys like Kaberle and MA Bergeron. Keep the puck in the offensive zone and it’s not in your net. Plus, the Rangers could just try and outscore the opposition. Worked for a team like Colorado (though they got lucky as well).
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
understood
I was thinking the same thing right before they picked (we’re going to have Del Zotto, Sanguinetti AND Fowler???) Was just shocking that both Fowler and Gormley were there.. thought the Rangers could have used that to their advantage somehow (TRADE DOWN and get another 2nd rounder or SOMETHING)… but sounds like they may have missed out on McIlrath if they moved down. All we can do is hope for the best. Now hope they get an offensive gem in Round 2.
by AZRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If all the prospects pan out
we’d have a great problem, and be able to trade one of them for help at another position. But more likely, some guys will likely not turn into good NHLers, which is exactly why you never pass on a top talent.
by yellomellojello on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
They won’t all pan out, likely. If you have too many young offensive defensemen have tons of trade value.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why yesterday they should’ve back into the 1st round to grab Etem. I guess they have a plan though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
you have to be surprised he went all the way to 29.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Same kind of deal with Fowler/Gormley….clearly there’s something we’re missing. So maybe it’s better, but with the glut of d-men, I think he was worth a shot at.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
funny thing was yesterday i wanted to trade back to 12 and 29 which could have been fowler and etem. ha.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn I wish we had a third rounder to hope Kabanov falls that far and take him in the third round. I guess now we should just probably pick him 40th or if Galiev is still there maybe take him.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 26, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Dylan
Yes he is big and tough. His skating is sub-par and he spends too much time in the penalty box. He looks like a project to me and may not be ready for the NHL for years, if ever. The Rangers already have plenty of enforcers on the roster. They need Dmen who can actually play D and move the puck out of the zone. We could have taken others who would be ready for prime time sooner either to provide secondary scoring or to bolster our shaky D. Not happy with the pick.
Dylan Not Ready for Prime Time
The Rangers not only drafted a raw kid who may be years away from the NHL, they allowed Big Buff to leave the Blackhawks for Atlanta. I would rather have Big Buff than Dylan or anybody that the Rangers could have drafted at the 10 spot. Big Buff showed just how valuable he is during the playoffs. He can even play D. Did the Rangers even try to get him? Or is Sather still having wet dreams over Souray?
Because Dubinsky’s the better player?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he had a big playoff because he never had to play in the defensive zone and got tons of time with Toews and Kane.
He’ll come back to earth, playoffs make heroes out of people.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
still hopeing for 25 to 30 goals for dubi within the next 2 years....buff will still be a 12 to 15 guy.....
Dubi prob won’t get to 30. 25-35-60 would be a solid year, esp given his lack of PP time.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it time for people to start looking forward to the 2011 draft?
Draft picks are for the future—and who knows what the future will hold. I don’t think it was realistic to get a game changer for this year with the 10th pick, So, there’s no way to know whether this will work out, although I agree we needed a differnet style defender from what the Rangers have recently drafted.
Now, the real fun begins. At least for this year’s version of the Rangers. The question, as always, is how much do you sacrafice from tomorrow for today.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I think 2010-2011 was going to be a down year regardless, though with NIno or someone that could potentially step right in, there was a small chance we could go instant turn around.
This just solidifies that plan…which might be wait until Drury/Rozsival’s contracts expire, and then let the kids go, which might be 3-4 years. Patience better be a virtue.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i think next year 11-12 we will have Grachev, Stepan, Werek and maybe Kreider to step in up front and then if needed we add pieces the following summer with all that cap money.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Souray-Cogliano-Nilsson for Redden-Sanguinetti-Sauer would accelerate the process
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
cant really see why edmonton would do that.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
They have too many forwards, the way we have too many D-men. They can bury Redden in Oklahoma as easily as we can, and Sangs and Sauer could both crack their lineup immediately.
Frees cap room for them, we take a short term hit (which who cares really), and free up the last two years. Win-win.
If we take O’Sullivan instead of Cogs, it’s even better.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Souray = Redden = Bad, Very Bad
Souray is no better than Redden. Like choosing to die from cancer or a heart attack. Both are very bad choices.
Oh, you don’t have to tell me twice. But Souray has two years left, Redden 4, and is cheaper.
Short term sacrifice for the long-term good. If we get really lucky, Souray kills a dude with his shot, gets kicked out of the league and we get instant cap relief.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree there, but I understand it.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s sort of like we were an expansion team in 2005. Picked up some vets but really planned for 8-10 years down the road. Wish I could believe that this was the plan. The reality may be sather was so bad with free agents that this road was all that was left.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
1pm EST
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
damn, guess I will just see the picks later. world cup comes first today.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
still not sold on it.. i feel like they could have taken a guy like this later on. i wouldnt have passed on fowler.
either way im even more pissed they didnt trade up to snag etem.. that would have made it a successful draft if you asked me..
hopefully we can snag galiev or kabanov..
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Where did Fehr & Balanced’s comments go? What the hell is this, North Korea? Some “well thought out analysis” if you can’t discuss the other side of it.
Whatever — this thread just got a lot less interesting. I was actually curious about your take on things. Enjoy your echo chamber.
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by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Well, I’m glad to see him as part of the organization. Hopefully, he can fool us all and crack the lineup. It would really be nice to see Staal, Del Zotto, and McIlrath (all first rounders) make up 1/2 of the blue line, this season.
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Just a little perspective.
So, I was one of the many who were perplexed about passing up Fowler. I’m over it. It is what it is. I was curious about the quality of the 10th pick overall and their NHL value. Below is a google docs spreadsheet listing all the players selected 10th from 1980 until 2009 and their corresponding NHL stats. It’s a mixed bag for sure. The best is easy: Winnipeg’s selection of Teemu Selanne. The worst in terms of games played is the Kings’ selection of Dan Gratton.
No real point to this other than after the first couple of picks, the draft becomes a crapshoot. Let’s just hope McIlrath is better than the last Ranger Defenseman taken at 10, Jay More.
No, I’m fairly sure it becomes a crapshoot after the 2nd round. In the first two rounds you have a good shot of getting a solid NHLer (in terms of games played). That’s what I’ve seen on BtN and Copper n Blue.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s exactly what they’ve said, but yes, talent is generally deeper than the 1st couple picks.
Defenseman are generally safer than forwards as well.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, 1st and 2nd rounds have close success rates, right? It doesn’t consider that 1st rounders (I would think) go more into the top-6 forwards, top-4 D than 2nd rounders (lower forwards, lower D). After that IIRC 4th round is best for some reason.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Take your word for it, I don’t really remember.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranked 15th
by central scouting and “he can barely skate backwards…” I think central scouting has a little more credibility. I don’t know, perhaps I’m wrong and you 2 are more qualified.
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Joe, Great job on the thread. To everyone eles, Grachev was supposed to be this great offensive force…What Happened? A pick is a pick you look to fill the holes in the roster, this kid was very much the right pick for what the Rangers have been lacking for many years,and ANYTHING is better than Redden on the blueline.Now just think how you will feel when the Rangers become the team that punish other players and are not the one’s getting punished.

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