What About Bobby Ryan?
I haven't seen anything published linking the Rangers to Bobby Ryan, but thought it might be a good idea to throw around for a few "what if's". I had originally seen, in the comments on this site and elsewhere, that Ryan was looking for $6 mil per, an asking price that is too much to consider. Upon further research, it seems that he is looking for alot less then those. According to this article in The Orange County register, Ryan says his demands are "not even close" to $5.325 mil cap hits Ryan Getzlaf and Correy Perry have on their 5 year extensions. Could Bobby Ryan be one of the RFA's Sather claimed he was interested in?
With the Rangers facing their own problems signing RFA Marc Staal, it might seem silly to be worrying about other teams RFA's, but if we can't close "the chasm" between the team and Staal, perhaps a straight up swap of Staal for Ryan could help both teams. The Ducks have had some great luck with homegrown talent upfront, but the retirement of Rob Neidermayer leaves a hole to be filled on D. Visnovsky and $5.6 mil cap hit are signed through 2013, and Cam Fowler will be looking for a spot in the next few years, but in the meantime, and down the line, Staal could be a huge asset for the Ducks. With Getzlaf, Perry and Lupul upfront, the Ducks are better served to invest 4-5 mil on their blueline.
From the Rangers standpoint, Ryan brings some goals with him. Ryan scored 35 goals in his first full NHL season, last year. The season before that he burried 31 in 64 games. While we all have come high hopes for our own prospects, I think each and every one of us would be going bonkers if Grachev, Kreider or Stepan broke into the league with 2 straight 30 goal campaigns. To suggest that ANY of those three should have such fine results in their first two seasons would be seemingly setting the bar far to high for them. If you COMBINED the goal total of Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan over their first 3 seasons in the league, their average isn't 35 goals. I'm not knocking our prospects, but rather saying if we think our prospects will be good NHL players, what does that mean Bobby Ryan will be?
Because of Sathers past mistakes, we have $11.5 mil tied up on defense for 2 more years. If Staal and Girardi get what they want, we could have $20 mil a season tied up on 4 defenseman, only one of whom (Staal) is a legitimate top 4 defenseman. We have alot of prospects coming up, and two good young options in MDZ and Gilroy. Moving Staal for Ryan lets us spend the little bit of available cap we have on some much needed offensive help.
Both Scott Gomez and Chris Drury had only scored more then 30 goals once in their respective NHL careers when we signed them. Ales Kotalik never scored more then 25 in a season when we gave him $9 mil over 3 years. Nik Zherdev was going to be our offensive savior once, and never even had a 30 goal NHL campaign. I bring these names up, because they are all examples of past proposed scoring savior. These are the names that make us leary of free agency. But when you look at these names, and think of how excited you got, remeber that none of them has done what Bobby Ryan has done in 2 years as a professional.
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Ryan would be great for the Rangers & I’d love to see him but I just dont think it would happen. It will be tough for Anaheim to let him go & I dont know if we can afford to give up the necessary compensation for a top RFA. So its really another longshot type of dream to me but it would be great to have him in the Garden.
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No on trading Staal for Ryan. Ryan’s had 2 good seasons playing with some beast centers (Getz/Perry), so he probably wouldn’t produce the same here, and we’re not trading our only shutdown D-man for him.
Now I would love to have Ryan, but I don’t see Anaheim giving him up unless his contract demands are retarded. With Neidermeyer retiring (and I think Selanne is hanging it up?) they’ll have plenty of cap to sign him. They’ve got over 22m in space as is and really only Ryan and Wisniewski their only high-value RFAs.
Speaking of Kotalik
The National Hockey League’s waiver wire was active again on Monday, with Ottawa’s Jonathan Cheechoo, Petteri Nokelainen and Jim Vandermeer of the Phoenix Coyotes, Florida Panthers defenceman Ville Koistinen and Ales Kotalik of the Calgary Flames all made available.
The players are expected to be bought out of their contracts if they go unclaimed and would become unrestricted free agents.
i know they are brother’s but mixing up Scott, a hall of famer, and Rob (Scott’s brother) is pretty bad.
i think the cost associated with trading for Bobby is going to be huge and while I think he is a very good player, but probably not at the cost.
D'OH!
When I started writing that, I reminded my to not mix them up too! I overthought it!
by BuckarooClub on Jun 28, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why they would even trade him away….I don’t think they’re looking to get rid of him (contract demands notwithstanding, he is due a raise though), but they have plenty of cap, a player who gels well with the team…am I missing something here?
agree, but maybe they can get a kessel like package, that worked out for boston ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt assume the need for anaheim on D either. losing Scott is huge but they now have 3 top notch D prospects in Sbisa, Jake Gardiner, and Fowler.
Staal is a step further on the prospect ladder then what Anaheim has, in the same way Ryan is out in front of our Offensive prospects.
by BuckarooClub on Jun 28, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying staal isnt ahead of them in development, just saying the cupboard there isnt at all empty.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder what kind of deal he is asking for. i dont think that trading away staal would be the way to go about getting ryan if the rangers actually wanted him. at this point in time, with the system stocked the way it is, it might simply be better to try and sign him to an offer sheet. i realize that is an extremely rare occurance, and obivously didnt work out well for the leafs, but if we could work out the finances it might make sense. he is a proven 30-35 goal scorer at the age of 23 and if you combined him with krieder, grachev werek and stepen in 3 to 4 yrs, we could have an extremely promising young team. ryan is an elite talent that is going to be a scoring threat for yrs to come, why not give up a 1st 2nd and 3rd in next yrs draft for him?
that being said their is no way anaheim lets someone else gets their hands on this guy with the amount of cap space they have right now. if ryan signs an offer sheet the ducks will match without even blinking.
only one of whom (Staal) is a legitimate top 4 defenseman.
Girardi is top 4 for most teams, whether you like him or not.
Anyhow..the reason I’ve been against Ryan is that the cost is prohibitive, two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd for a team that’s in the middle of a rebuild is exorbitant, no matter how talented a player is coming back.
If the cost were just Ryan for Staal, I’d regrettably do it, these days it is much harder to find a (consistent) 30 goal winger than a shutdown defenseman. I don’t think Anaheim takes only Staal though.
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haha we just posted the exact opposite opinions smurf
by BronxBeliever on Jun 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I find I’m often in disagreement with someone, not surprising.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i just look at it this way. lets say we signed him to a deal for 5 mil a yr (i dont know the comp figures off the top of my head but ill assume a 1st 2nd and 3rd next yr?). if ryan and gabby stayed healthy, and we keep staal instead of trading him, there is little to no cnahce we end up with a very high pick in next yrs draft (which by most early accounts is talented but top heavy). that is a really solid core for next yr not to mention we keep the highly touted guys in our own system. this is assuming that his and staals new deal would fit but it seems like a good deal
If we were a year away, or if we were an old team that needed to go for it, ala the Devils, i’d agree with you. We’re like 3-4 years away, and we’re currently pretty young.
Ryan and Staal are both givens now, and Staal is the more replacable of the two (though neither is that easy to do). Yes we have Kreider, Stepan, Werek etal coming up, but I’m not sure that any of them, except maybe Grachev, projects to be the player Ryan is. However, McDonagh and McIllrath could become versions of Staal, as could any of the draft choices we end up keeping instead of sacrificing.
It’s a matter of opinion I suppose, so I don’t think there’s really a wrong answer here.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. i would say that im being fairly optimistic as well assuming that the majority of our prospects will pan out. thinking about three yrs from now though and seeing grachev ryan and gabby being 30 gl scorers with krieder and stepan still developing is like a fairy tale. not to mentiom MDZ, staal, McD, girardi and the terminator on our backline.
by BronxBeliever on Jun 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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