Rangers Analysis: Wade Redden To Actually be Waived?
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
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PrintA bit time stick salute here to BronxBeliever who brought up the possibility of this being in a Newsday article. After his fanpost said he thought he saw something on Wade Redden being waived, I went and did some digging. And I found something amazing.
Arthur Staple wrote this article, talking about whether or not Glen Sather will finally retire his itchy trigger finger. But towards the end of the article Staple writes this:
There is more room on defense, where Wade Redden is almost certain to be waived and sent to Hartford when training camp ends. "He's been discussed," Sather said.
Take a moment to take that in. Now I don't know how reliable Staple would be on this matter. I don't know how much he knows on the matter either, but Sather doesn't exactly seem to be denouncing sending him down with the "he's been discussed" quote.
You can take this with a grain of salt, I certainly do as well, but Staple is someone who might know something on the situation. He does work alongside Steve Zipay, who is the beat reporter for the Rangers with Newsday, and he does often come up with some "inside information."
This is from a guy who writes for Newsday, remember, which is owned by the Dolan's and Cablevision. Like Staple or hate him, this is information he would be able to obtain; and he certainly wouldn't just spew that little quote out there for no reason at all. Especially since the Redden signing is an embarrassment to this team, and making a statement like this could make Newsday look very, very bad. So this holds some weight with me, even though I'm not believing in miracles just yet.
What are your thoughts on this guys?
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DB if Redden gets waived
you can streak at the next Blueshirt Banter get together
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That
is one of those questions best left unanswered.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 29, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And then we woke up
Believe it when you see it. Until then, suffer with the highest paid 5th or 6th defenseman in NHL history.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 29, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
Like I said above
I’m not fully believing in it just yet. But Arthur Staple wouldn’t just say something like that. He basically works for the Rangers. It would be foolish to just spew it out.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Never trust Dolan
“This is from a guy who writes for Newsday, remember, which is owned by the Dolan’s and Cablevision.”
KGB propaganda. “Give’em hope. You gotta give them hope.” Harvey Milk.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
but this has nothing to do with Dolan directly
it has to do with the fact that Staple basically works for Dolan and said this. I don’t see the point of Dolan letting Staple say it, letting it get picked up and spread like crazy, only not to do it.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed joe. thats not just giving us hope, thats maliciously toying with your fan base…
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
well all the credit goes to you
I don’t ever read Staple and wouldn’t have seen the article if you didn’t point it out
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to give the credit to the nyrangersblog (and the blame if this turns out to be a hoax!)
also, is there anyway to move that poll here? i thought it might be interesting to see what people would want to do if this ever actually came to fruition.
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
My only point is to wait and see who skates out on opening before opening the champagne bottles.
I also don’t give credence to a reporter just because he works for Dolan and uses an ambiguous quote (just talking about something doesn’t mean you’re going to do it).
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jun 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
When my six year old daughter is spending ages in the bathroom, I yell through the door, "waddaya doing in there, dropping a Redden!? and she says “Yup!” “Down to Hartford?” “Yep!” LOL
Need more details…but let’s say this IS true….after drunkenly blaring Beethoven’s 9th out the window and taking a moment to give thanks, what’s your next roster move?
yeah
that’s what I was thinking too
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeeezzzz
Lets just hope if that happens Kovalchuk doesn’t come at 9 million and above like he wanted. Sather would be the psycho to do that over a 6 or 7 year deal. Now for a one year deal I wouldn’t mind.
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that I hope they go after Kovalchuk
personally he isn’t worth a penny over 7.5 million. but there is no doubt that he would help this teams scoring needs.
But the Rangers could use Redden’s money to …. idk … save for the future
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I was just following up on the fact that he would do something stupid like sign Kovy for a long term over 9 million dollar contract. They could use some of his money to stop fking with Staal for starters lol
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen
btw…i have a man crush on Staal…it’s totally not gay.
by Blueblood27 on Jun 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno if anyone brought this up but....
Yes Redden can be waived right now but i really don’t see any team claiming him.They’d have to be pretty hard up to claim him and what is it, half his salary on re-entry?
The other problem is you can’t demote Redden to Hartford until training camp. So if Sather is interested in Kovalchuk or any other high priced free agent for that matter he’s going to have to commit in advance to demoting Redden and go and spend money this July 1st.
So i guess a good barometer if Redden will be demoted is how much Sather spends on free agency.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 29, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct
The actual demotion will not be until the season starts, so the idea of demoting him has to be made before potentially spending the money.
If someone claims him on the downward waive, that team will have to pay 100% of the contract. Nobody will do that.
The only way someone would realistically claim him is on the cll up. If they do, the Rangers pay half the salary for the remainder of the contract (a la Sean Avery) and the Rangers would take the cap hit. There is no way they would risk having to pay 3.25 mil for 4 years (against the cap)
If they bury him, it is for good, like Washingotn to Nylander.
yeah right
that $ would burn a hole in his pocket so bad hed overpay for someone mediocre within a week.
olli jokinen resigns 4 yrs $20 mil
Kovalchuk is literally a crippling contract for us, even with Redden gone.
They’ll have the $19m that Bronx says. Ok.
Give Staal 3.5-4. Now you’re down to 15-15.5
Give Girardi 2m. Down to the 13-13.5
Give Kovalchuk 7.5m (optimistic). Down to 5.5-6m
Demote Brashear again – Up to 5.6-6.1m
Add Auld – Down to 4.6-5.1m
Waive Voros – Up to 5.6-6.1m
Sign EC for 750k – Down to 4.85-5.35m
So you have 4.85m-5.35m with a lineup of
Kovalchuk-EC-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-MZA
? – Boyle – ?
Staal-MDZ
Girardi-Rozsival
Gilroy – ?
So 3 spots, for 4.85m-5.35m, and with that in mind, Callahan, Dubinsky and Anisimov are all RFAs the following year, and no other money is coming off the books.
You can make it work, but you’re cap crippled again.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree with that
I wasn’t saying that I wanted Kovalchuk. I was just saying that Sather might go after him with his new found money.
I think that the Rangers should save that cap space for the future. No need to get as close to the max cap as you can.
As I said before there are options at center that may be looked at. Tomorrow I do a review on the Pavol Demitra to the Rangers rumor I heard. It will be interesting to see what you all think about it.
But that’s for tomorrow.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick thought: Bah to a 35 yr old unless it’s a 1-yr deal. I’ll write more tomorrow.
I started to look at UFA targets yesterday myself, and just doing the list of centers was enough to roll my eyes and say stay the hell out of this year’s class.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the entire point of my Demitra article was
1 year or no deal. But you’ll see it tomorrow, it’s very long, but it makes some sense once you get through it
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Long is good..anything that kills time during the day.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
We weren’t saying we wanted them too. We figured that he would do something dumb like that given he can’t sit all summer and watch as other teams surpass his own by leaps and bounds. As a matter of fact, the Devils, Flyers, Pens, Caps, and hell even the Isles look better than last year…The East is stacked and we’re screwed lol…easy solution let the kids play
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. sending him down would give the rangers roughly 19 mil… more than enough for sather to do some serious damage. personally i would make a run at bobby ryan with the extra space. if the ducks are having as much trouble as is being reported trying to sign him, i would love the rangers to put together either an offer sheet or propose a pick laden trade package to their front office. next yrs 1st, both 2nd’s, 3rd and a higher level prospect? then sign ryan for around 5 mil a yr and we will come out with a proven 35 gl scorer who is 23, only 1 less of our top level talent in the system, and a spot for one of our young d men to take. not to mention never having to see wade again
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope this is accurate. Baby steps. If Redden is waived this will send a HUGE message to the players and the fans. Such a move will certainly be enormous leap toward changing the culture of this current team and the organization as a whole. A Redden buyout, I believe, will facilitate the Staal situation as well. Even though 3.5 mil for Staal is very fair at this point, how could he not ask for more when he’s playing twice as many minutes, putting up twice as many points, yet making less than the current number 5 d-man (who is also defensively inept)? Perhaps, Orr and Staal will back down and take what they are given. Lets hope this holds water, b/c this team might have to start earning its keep. So long as Sather doesn’t sign Kovalchuck we’ll be fine. Talented guy, but not someone that you build a championship team around. He should take a page out of Hossa’s book and learn how to play defense and hustle, so at least when you’re struggling to score, you can be reliable in your own end.
by motherpucker on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
im not sure if you just mistyped but the article wasn’t discussing a buyout- it was a demotion to the minors. there is a significant difference as buying him out would count against the rangers cap for years to come as opposed to a demotion to the minors which would remove the cap hit entirely
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t go after Ryan as much as I love the way he plays. He does deserve 5 mill per, but the picks are too much and I say let the Ducks deal with that issue. Lets just resign Vinny P, Staal, Girardi, Shelley and one Good UFA. Lombardi?
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
giving up that many picks is certainly prohibitive, but you have to take into account what you are getting in return. a proven 35 goal scorer at the age of 23. he would fit right into the youth movment and there is no question as to what he can do. he is an elite talent, and although we have a great crop of youngsters in our system, no one can guarentee that those kids will pan out the way ryan has.
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You Know
I always think just like that when it comes to RFA’s so I know where your coming from. I like Bobby Ryan as much as I Liked Pavelski, but the way our picks have been(pretty solid), we are bound to get lucky. Also, Ryan is good but the class next year is awesome. IF we try miserably this year, ie getting Ryan or someone that comes with lots of: years, picks and prospects, then next year we are handcuffed on any deals that make more sense with Werek, Stepan, McIlrath and McDonough probably ready to go and thats when we make a run at the cup.
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
The Mc defensive pairing of MciIrath and McDonough sounds awesome for the future! lmao
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have to agree. Sather is trying to save every penny he can and that makes me nervous because he isn’t doing that just for the hell of it. He has a pln and he is saving that money for something/someone.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That is unbelievable. I never saw that article from Staple but it makes you think that it may happen. That is awesome.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
And like Joe said “He’s been discussed” isn’t something Sather would normally say, but I am sure the brass has considered all options when it comes to Wade.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Sather has also been quoted recently
on the Rangers website no less that every player would have to earn their spot, regardless of contract. I know we hear that every year, as i am sure every team does, but that is also right in line with a Redden elimination
Of course i too will believe it when I see it.
I will believe it when I see it, but if it happens i’m not so sure that it is for FA money and not to take on a salary in a trade. Spezza obviously a bigger commitment but could be a huge return and then Savard a long, but cheaper take on. As far as FA goes Kovy should not be on the list. Lombardi, Afinogenov, Frolov are probably the best 3 for us.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed
Frolov and Lombardi look promising.
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
when I brought up the idea of Frolov
98% of you guys rammed it dowm my throat lol. And here you all are telling me that he might be a good idea
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
they must just like me more, ;-). I only like Frolov to a point. Anything above 3.5 is overpaying for him imo.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
My issue with Frolov was only that you were giving him 5/$25m, which is ridiculous given the decline in his numbers over the last 4 years.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
okay there Smurfie
A) I was just throwing out some figures, I hadn’t offered him the contract … yet lol.
B) He had a bad year, yes, but I still think he is worth 4 million. THe 5/25 thing was that I thought he was gonna command.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
2/8m, sure. I’ve said often my feeling is that a top 6 LW is the biggest need, not the #1 center.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
In that, I’d still rather give Tanguay 1yr, 2m.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I still dunno about Tanguay
at least Frolov can score goals, and maybe he just needs a chance of surroundings. He would mesh welll with Gaborik you should think
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Tanguay’s one of the best shooters in the game, he just doesn’t take a lot of shots. The only thing I worry about with him is his shoulder, if I knew for sure it was healthy, I’d give him more years.
Frolov’s two 30+ years came when his shooting percentage spiked to 17%, which could be improvement, but are probably mostly just fluky. He’s basically 180 shots a year, 14% a year…so 25 goals, which is certainly good.
Tanguay is more of a 120 shots a year, 18%, so 21 goals. (again, when healthy).
So it’s an extra 2-3 million for 4 more goals. To me, Tanguay’s more cost effective. But for the 3rd time, health is the question.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Afino last year
but everyone said no to that too lol.
Personally if fans here didn’t like Zherdev, they will HATE Afino. But I would be willing to give him a 1/3 contract. Maybe even a 1/3.5
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
that could be a fun nickname line. AAA. Avery-Artie-Afino. ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta has had a knack for bringing in "has beens" or underachievers
and having them perform for them. They picked up Rich Peverly form Nashville 2 years ago, 2 goals in 27 games. in ATL, 13-22-35 in 39 games, then a solid 22-33-55 last year. All from a waived player. (and 1.3 mil a year for 2 years after his first season) Who here wouldn’t kill to get that productiuon for that money?
Marc Savard didn’t blossom until he got to ATL,
Afinogenov would be another Kotalik. Its the goal happy SE that boosts the stas. 1 yr contract would be Ok with me, but he will never sign a 1 year deal after last years numbers.
Agree on Kovalchuk. It’s just taking on too much and he isn’t a team player, or has not proven to be one.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 29, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Among forwards. I’m still holding out hope that this might be in part to add Hamhuis, Martin, or MIchalek.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
my worry is setting up a deal that takes on the man who shall not be named from EDM without making them take back Rozi.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Without taking Redden you mean
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
no, i knew what i meant. they would never take redden. he gets rid of redden and replaces his contract with souray. by having eliminated redden’s hit he doesnt feel he has to make them take rozi to match cap charges as he would have more space.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
if getting rid of redden for the next 4 yrs requires taking on souray for 2, thats a done deal for me. at least souray plays physically… when he plays that is lol
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
your missing how this equation works.
redden gets waived and we save 6.5 mil
sather trades for souray taking on his 5.4 without giving salary back
why waste the opportunity of the 6.5 we just saved on souray?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
youre thinking logically. stop. you cant do that when dealing with what sather might do lol. just think of the lesser of two evils here
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
if the only way to make sather feel like he HAS to waive redden is because he dieing to make a trade for souray, we would have to accept that as the lesser of two evils
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well regardless
hopefully Redden does get waived and we don’t need Souray
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
well good :)
It’s a hard argument to disagree with lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Better yet if Redden just retires!
like we could be that lucky
For those that are wondering
Dylan McIlrath just scored in the scrimage. Using that BOOMING slapshot lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
people were just mad because he didn't bring instant offense
when in realize he fills a need and may very well bring offense as well. Im sorry but a 91.8 MPH slap shot at 18 is insane. This kid fits a Pronger mold, now lets hope he is as good
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
should say "when in reality"
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to check Pronger’s Junior stats. They were unreal. You really like this pick, so why would you compare him to Pronger, b/c you’re basically setting him up to fail then.
I didn't call him Pronger
I said that he was the potential for a Pronger mold. A bruising defenseman who might be able to put up some points. Not that he is as good
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t even say that Pronger’s primary role is a big, bruising d-man. He’ s dirty, but he also one of the best passing D-men in the game. He can control the game from the back-end. People tend to see 6’6, 220 and focus on that, but IMO, that’s not even close the Pronger’s best ability and he doesn’t even throw a ton of big checks b/c he’s so good with the poke check.
If McIlrath really is the big bruiser, who will chip in 30 points here and there, then Adam Foote may be the best comparison.
Something better than Foote, worse than Pronger.
The fact that Pronger is an asshole completely obscures (at times) how ridiculously good he is. 50 points against the same competition Staal faced (top 5), and a good relative +/-, plus the hitting.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt maybe a Chara type be a better comparison. I’ve also seen Shea Weber but the O isnt there yet and Dion Phaneuf.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Weber at 18 had 17 points in 70 games in the WHL, with 167 PIMs. McIlrath had 24 points in 65 games, with 169 PIMs.
Way too early..but that could seem to be the ceiling.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Way too early is right.
Projections are ….. well – future statistics (or an attempt to divine those future stats out of thin air).
The reality is that it completely depends on his continued growth, what other players surround him, what kind of a system the coach(es) have, and a myriad of other factors that will determine the guy’s “ceiling”.
It’s not out of the question that he could be PRONGER Plus….
It’s also not out of the question that he could be JESSIMAN Minus…..
(heaven forbid)
Or he could just be a bigger REDDEN (heaven forbid, x3)
i would take mcllrath if he become redden...
the redden of 5-6 years ago…he was good once…sad thing he isn’t anymore…
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by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
it's ok i brought that up too
lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
problem is Grachev later had to translate to Pashnin what Werek said, lol. Apparently Pashnin playing very physical. Kundratek was hurt.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
goal scorers so far
Nyemi, Yogan, Horak, Dylan, Pashnin…one missing.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting about Nyemi when we talk about the shit-ton of D-men in the system.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, that was a very nice move for sather.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and he got the 6th round pick back
with the Sanguinetti trade
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
so ur saying it was Nyemi and a 2011 2nd for Sangs?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
not a bad deal eh?
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
considering he was never going to play here, not at all.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
and Niemi
seems to bring a nice brand of offense as well. Rangers officials weren’t happywith Sangs style of play, they really seem to like Niemi
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
his picture on the rangers website makes him look the russian guy from rocky iv haha
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yea he played with Klassen last year and I remember Klassen saying he has a big shot, plays physical. problem w his shot was he doesnt hit the target, but we are used to that.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
thats why I love
McIlrath more and more. His shot hits the net … oh yeah and it’s 91.8 MPH at his 18 years of age
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Pashnin might not survive prospect camp.
stevezipay From behind Pashnin pounds Derek, who chases him down and drops gloves
love the physical play and also the guys standing up for themselves.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie So the best targets for offer sheets are RFAs with no arb rights: James Neal (DAL), Bobby Ryan (ANA) and Marc Staal (NYR), amongst others.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
I get the feeling that some other GM is cock block Staal like the Oilers did Dustin Penner
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the worse example was the Oil making Buf pay what they are to keep Vanek
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
have we done or do we plan to do a prospect rankings list?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
after prospect camp
yes one will go up. I don’t know how soon though, it’s a lot of evidence to take in
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
AGrossRecord Russian D Mikhail Pashnin celebtares Red win at #NYRangers prospect camp like they had won Stanley Cup. A bit of Darius Kasparitis in him.
we could go from soft on D to bruisers everywhere. McDonagh, McIlrath, Klassen, Kundratek, Pashnin, Niemi all on the way.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Just roll 18 d-men and Hank…we’ll be all but guaranteed 81 points minimum every year.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
er..82..stupid typing skills.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it wasn't announced but it isn't surprising
Voros is waived like 15 times a year.
Brashear was done as a Ranger last year and Rissmiller hasn’t seen the ice since two years ago.
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
where have you been recently mjb
haven’t seen you in awhile
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you can never be too whipped
for Blueshirt Banter
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude wait till you get married. Then you’ll know the true meaning of being whipped!
Lundqvist-Staal-MDZ-McDonagh-Krieder-Stepan-MZA-Cally-Dubi-Gabby-AA-Grachev-Prust
The core of the 2014 Stanley Cup winners!
by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 29, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe someone will claim voros since it is his last year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea here.
TSNBobMcKenzie Today’s waivers: Oystrick (ANA), Moreau, Nilsson, O’Sullivan (EDM), Fedoruk (TB), Brashear, Rissmiller, Voros (NYR). All buyout eligible.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
O’Sullivan is interesting, he’s 25 and only making $2.5m, but he’s coming off one of the worst years an NHL player not named Strudwick can have. He did have a 50+ point season as a 22 year old.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. was he playing with Kopitar when he had his big year?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he can play with Gaborik
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
About 43% of his ES shifts. Most of those were also with Dustin Brown. Looks like it went down to ~31% the following year when he dipped, and it was more 50/50 split between Brown and Frolov as the 3rd person on the line.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
kausatoday Moreau, Nilsson and O’Sullivan bought out by the Edmonton Oilers
that would make them all FA’s if anyone is interested.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
O’Sullivan should be gettable for even less than the 2.5 he was going to make.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie I do not believe CGY intends to buy out Kotalik. More like “we can now bury you in the minors, maybe you want to play in Europe instead?”
haha, does McKenzie come here often?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
PK’s in the World Cup b/w Paraguay and Japan.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
I know
I’m stoked
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
how relieved was Barreto?!?!
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by Jurgennehls on Jun 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the goalies were awful in the shootout.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah they
were
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope this happens
one can only hope :) and dream…the improbable dream!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
The Rangers basically have 4 openings on forward, and maybe 1 on defense. If they do decide to go out into the market, sign only one, possibly two players, if sign anybody at all. There really is no need to fill the holes with more than 2 (1 really) players out-of-system.
If Wade gets waived, it’ll be cool for us, but it’ll suck for him. Nothing he can do really, as he can’t produce at a 6.5 million rate. Not his fault… would kind of hate to be him right now.
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
yea....
I’d hate to be Wade and make $6.5 million. What a terrible existence.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
geez, I meant playing the game I love, only to discover I may not be playing in the top league in the world anymore, and that no team from that league has interest in me.
money can’t buy happiness you know.
"Jaromir Jagr.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
- Sam Rosen
"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
-Sam Rosen
Well, if he loves the game so much...
He could renegotiate his contract, right? :)
I agree though, I have nothing against Wade personally. He seems like a stand up guy and he’s a capable #5/6 defenseman at this point. He’s just paid way too much and that’s not his fault.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He could renegotiate his contract, right? :)
Wrong. Can’t renegotiate a contract w/ the NHL CBA.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he'd much rather play at the Garden and suck
and listen to constant ridicule. At this point, money’s all Wade’s got.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i personally would offer kovy...
the same deal gaborik got…if he take it he takes it…if not he doesn’t anything more than that i don’t want him…yea it would put the rangers in a bind salary cap wise…but i think this would instantly put us in the playoff picture….i dunno if this is the right move or not…but all i know is gaborik needs help and if we lean on him more and more his groin is just gonna give out
Personally
I do not like Kovy at all. There is something about him that just doesn’t seem right to me; I feel that a person with his skill set should put up crazy numbers. And if he didn’t do well in New Jersey’s system, there is no way in hell he is going to flourish in our system.
And if he didn’t do well in New Jersey’s system, there is no way in hell he is going to flourish in our system.
I don’t know what this means, unless you’re talking about the playoff flameout where he was still the Devs leading scorer. He had 27 pts in 27 games with them, and his shot rates jumped radically.
Not that it’s a justification for having him, but he did quite well for himself in NJ.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What I mean
Is that I really can’t see him on a line with Gaborik.
I think I am just being a little over dramtic cause I just reallly d would not want this to happen.
My
Thing is that he will cost a lot more than Gabby, and in my opionion he will not put up 2 mil more worth of numbers than gabby.
He will score 50 goals by his second season in NY…..your right though, we don’t need scoring. Maybe we can just get like 3 or 4, 3rd line players to do that.
i know what you mean that theres something not right about kovalchuk…but i don’t really get your comparison between the devils and rangers system (both completely different systems i think)…i think if kovy was in our system he would put up crazy points just cuz torts is gonna play him an ishload of minutes…and with gabby on the other wing or other line defenses will have a tough time guarding either of them…but the more i think about it…i think i may really want zherdev back…he’d be cheap…and a 1-2yr trial and if he flourishes we resign him…if not we let him go and bring up the prospects
My
Main problem is that he would probably need a lot more money than a Gabby deal.
And really I do not see him putting up a lot bigger numbers than Gabby did last season, which, in my opinion, he would have to put up 15-20 more points than gabby did last season to be worth that much money.
He isn't going to sign a 1-2 year deal though
he is looking for a LONG TERM deal. I would expect nothing less than 7 years. And hey, it’s Kovalchuk, he will get it.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And that huge deal won’t allow us to resign Cally, Dubi, MDZ ect.. when they need to be resigned.
Winning team in 2-4 years > a first round playoff team for the next 7 years
Well that's not compleatly true
Rozsival’s 5 million is off the books at the end of this year, and Drury’s 7 million is off the year after that. 5 million should be enough to sign both Callahan and Dubinsky. MDZ wont be a free agent till two years from now and then the Rangers will have 7 mil to play with
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I see that, I guess I just don’t want some much money and years tied up in one player. I guess it worked out well, so far, with Gabby. Right now, I think slow and steady wins the race. Really, will Kovy help us win some regualr season games. But we just don’t match-up to top playoff teams yet. In a few years, yes, we might be a contender, but right now I would stay away from him unless he takes a deal similar to Gaboriks, which will never happen,
Er…Rozsival’s got two years left, same as Drury Joe.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
oh really?
I think I keep making that mistake. Obviously I really want him gone lol
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i was refering to zherdev about the 1-2yr deal but yea you’re right about kovy he wants a looooooooong term deal and he does deserve it
if kovy was willing to take 7.5 a yr i would do it, even for ten yrs. to have two 40+ goal scorers on your team i think you have to make that deal (only if redden is gone obviously). problem is he is going to be demanding more like 8.5 mil a yr for a decade
by BronxBeliever on Jun 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The devils advocate argument will continue to be Stamkos/LeCavalier/St. Louis. Having 40+ goal guys doesn’t do anything if:
a) you’re giving up 40+ on the defensive side, as Kovalchuk usually is.
b) you have no money left to surround them with guys that can play defense.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Pffft
but they’re not the Rangers, we always win
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"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i really hope they do it.. ive been praying for this for over a year now :)
we have so many good young kids, and i rather give them a shot than wade…
if this is true id love them to resign staal girardi prospal, and bring in frolov for 3.5. i think its worth the risk with the talent he has.
frolov prospal gaborik
dubinsky anisimov mza
avery drury callahan
byers boyle prust
shelley
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
How juvenile
Redden’s contract is atrocious, his play is equal to that, but folks likening him to a piece of feces is below the belt. And probably not funny if you are not drunk, or over 18 years old.
Its not the man people hate
Its his play and his contract. At least for me. I think he should retire and enjoy his golden years in peace and quiet.
O'sullivan
Someone mentioned O’ Sullivan. I’ve been watching him carefully the last couple years, even saw him live like three times. This guy would be perfect assuming redden is waived, and we save space for 2011. If this guy played for the blackhawks, he would be just like teows. He has unique puck control, is a two way player, and extremely blue collar- he’s a lot like callahan, but with that extra puck skills. Youtube him, because his stats do not do him justice at all.
i was just lookin in on
the sb nation LA version to get their opinion’s on him. im with you but they seem 2 think he is very fragile mentally, not the best for ny but still think he is worth a look
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmm
Maybe I’m not clear on how this works but the purpose of this is to send Redden to the minors so he doesn’t hit the cap….but….
I thought in the summer the top 20 (or some number like that) salaries on the team count towards the cap no matter where they are. now I know you can go over 10% of the cap during this time but is that enough to keep Redden on the books and also sign others?
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jun 30, 2010 5:09 AM EDT reply actions
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