Rangers News: Prospect Camp Day 2, Voros on Waivers, Rissmiller is still on this team?
Some thoughts from our friend Andrew Gross over at Ranger Rants on Prospect Camp Day 2: (click the link for the full story)
First-round pick Dylan McIlrath made his first appearance on the ice and Russian defenseman Mikhail Pashnin, the No. 1 overall pick in the KHL last year, certainly made an impression.
First off, I asked GM Glen Sather about the players who were tendered qualifying offers and Sather said it was everybody on the list (namely Staal, Girardiu) but not Erik Christensen and Enver Lisin. But, Sather said, the Rangers would like everybody back, they’re just unwilling to pay at the qualifying price and also risk the arbitration. Of the two, the Rangers clearly are looking to bring back Christensen - the reports are there might be a two-year offer on the table. The Rangers have also placed Aaron Voros, Patrick Rissmiller and Donald Brashear on waivers, which was no surprise. Only Voros has a shot of playing for the Rangers next season but the club likely wants to go in a different direction.
Again, Patrick Rissmiller is still with the team? Has he been in the MSG basement all this time?
Also, director of personnel Gordie Clark stopped by to chat about the draft, pointedly responding to the criticism of taking McIlrath at No. 10 by telling the reporters, "I don’t know where you get your information but I get it from someplace else." That wasn’t necessarily directed at the group here today but more at the national pundits like Pierre McGuire who pounded the Rangers during the NHL Draft coverage for selecting McIlrath.
Gordie also said there was no way the Rangers were picking Kabanov, sorry Joe.
Tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the Scott Gomez deal. It's always good for a laugh to go back and read our buddy Bob's take on the deal at Habs Eyes on the Prize.
Lastly, Carp says doing nothing on Thursday is better than doing something. I'm inclined to agree with him.Obviously it will suck for 2010-11, but can only make for a better 11-12, when Kreider, Werek, Stepan, McDonagh, Grachev, and who knows who else could all potentially be ready for full time duty.
Blueshirt Banter Radio tomorrow night at 8 PM, we'll have lots more about the Draft, including Jess from the Prospect Park, and audio from Gordie Clark breaking down each of the Rangers picks.
RIP Willie Huber.
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I still would have taken him
oh well, he’ll be a star on the Islanders until McIlrath destroys him
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Also
McIlrath scored today at the camp. Woo hoo
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Yogan also seems to be a Kabanov may I add
A kid with miles of talent, could be a superstar, but has serious worth ethic issues. Although Yogan showed some improvement much more is needed.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be curious of Montreal’s take now, as Higgins Flamed out (full pun intended), and Gomez had a decent if unspectaular year in Montreal.
Be awesome if McDonagh-Valentenko became a pairing here for a long while.
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McDonagh and the Gomez contract are what they are most upset about
and both of those continued to pan out as expected. Higgins was bad but his contract is over, Gomez is there for 4 more years at 7 mil per, and McDonagh is gonna be a stud on our blueline for years to come
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that KHL Pashnin fellow Rangers property?
Haven’t heard much hype for him, but KHL number one overall pick is pretty impressive
Especially when Gudbranson went 62nd in that same draft lol.
I’m pretty sure Tavares was taken in this year’s KHL draft. It’s kinda comical.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
huh, is that a potential bargain?
Why was he picked first overall in KHL?
And coming to the prospect camp probably means he has some interest in coming to NY
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the reason he went 7th round was because no one thought he would have a reason to leave the KHL as he was going to be the top pick there.
yeah leetchie
like I said he has the skill, but don’t get too crazy with that 1st overall thing.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
oh im not. he is a solid player, good all around doesnt strike as great in any area. does play physical as we heard about today.
but im guessing he wont be coming over this year to play in hartford…..
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no. and he might not come for a few years after that. it’s fine to let him develop over there. there are plenty of D in hartford already.
he still has 1 year left on his contract
so at best he is here in 2 years
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
according to the Rangers website
Committed to only one more year in the KHL, Pashnin could be available to sign with the Rangers organization as early as next summer, when he will be just 22.
Also, from Gordie Clark
“We would never have drafted him if we weren’t sure about the passion he has for playing in the NHL,” said Clark. “Now that we’ve communicated more with him, we know that he clearly wants to come over.”
“I met with Sergei Nemchinov at the World Championships in Germany last month,” said Clark. “Nemchinov is very, very happy having him on his team, but Sergei also knows he had his own shot at the NHL, and he believes that if a kid wants to play here and that’s his passion then he wants that for the kid, too. … If he (Pashnin) wants to be an NHL player, then I think Sergei will respect that.”
Looks like he will be here next summer. Thank you Sergei Nemchinov.
Well he was the number 1 overall pick
mainly because they knew he would play on the team. He has skill, but don’t get too crazy with at 1st overall thing lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Rissmiller is so bad,
They reassigned him to Grand Rapids from Hartford. He is not even good enough to play for the AHL team. i bet the would have sent him to Charlotte if they could have.
What are the chances of Spezza if Redden gets bought out?
I would much prefer Spezza to Ilya, and in a Spezza deal we could also likely shed a salary or two
Would prefer Connolly, but would not mind Spezza as a back up plan
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Sather and the trade market, anything is possible.
Spezza will have a hefty price tag though, it’ll be like the Heatley deal, so figure the equivalent of Michalek (Dubinsky?), Cheechoo (we don’t even really have one, well of the version they were trying to get back), and a 2nd.
So Dubinsky, Girardi, a 2nd and a 2nd tier prospect (Kundratek, Weise?) probably would be the cost for Spezza, roughly, I think.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Spezza is a pipe dream
The Senators would want the same ransom they wanted for Heatley. The Rangers won’t make a play for him unless that price tag goes down by a mile
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well if it was Dubi, Rozi,a 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd i would do it cause remember we have an extra 2nd next year.
I would rather have Dubinsky than Callahan
just sayin
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
so would i as we know, but for some reason that is like a 3rd rail around here. lol. also think ottawa would want dubi more.
Right…I’d ordinarily just say Callahan, but I felt like keeping the outrage to a minimum.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
what about Rozy, Girardi, Cally, and a 2nd? Then the money is a wash, and Rangers would still have cap flexibility. maybe grab a Willie Mitchell? And Prospal? Maybe even trade for Connolly too if its not too expensive?
Prospal-Connolly-Gabby
Dubi-Spezza-Christiansen
Avery-Anisimov-Drury
Prust-Boyle-Shelley
Staal-MDZ
Mitchell-Mcdonagh
Gilroy-Valentenko/Potter/Sauer
and we would have MZA to call up for a scoring boost mid season.
That to me looks like a contender, but the problem is it would be a big roster makeover
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
2 great scoring lines, 3rd line is perfect grinding line.
Like the D too
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
too much D turnover imo. also you would definitely have to give up a roster player and prospect to get Connolly. Ribeiro and Savard would probably be cheaper.
well Arnott didnt require much, so id be surprised if connolly required much more than Arnott
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
arnott is 35. put up 46 pts last year
connolly is 29. put up 65 pts last year
why is it you think the cost is going to be similar?
because for all his additional points and skill Connolly comes with baggage (poor playoffs, health).
not to mention expiring contract.
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differences in age also wouldnt matter too much if the commitment is only one year. And Connolly played with better players than Arnott, and Arnott played 10 less games while still scoring two more goals, and goals are more valuable to assists.
Connolly would probably cost a bit more, but it shouldnt be MUCH more
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, connolly has injury issues, but your telling me coming off his healthiest year in 4 years that buffalo waited out and sell low?
apparently he was very poor in the playoffs and Ruff was not impressed at all with him and Roy. With Buffalo notoriously financially prudent and with 1 year left on his deal they are may move him, for a modest amount
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i dont discount that, but even if they held him til the deadline they could get what nas got for arnott at a minimum. look at how 2nd rounders got thrown around at the deadline last year.
I almost
throw up when i see Cally’s name involved in a deal
by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not have MZA in the starting line-up?
and personally I dont see a need for both Connolly and Spezza, we already have a log jam of centers in the minors, no need to add two more
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
agree, i wouldn’t really want either of them. Maybe I would take whoever costs the least trade wise.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
or just neither
I debate this on my story tomorrow, so no need to go through it here. You’ll see tomorrow lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
don't worry
I’ll be an enemy then too. It’s about the idea of Demitra.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe both
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
MZA is getting 1.75 mil
and I think if you are the MVP of the Swedish Elite league, you are making the roster. I think he is a slam dunk to make the opening day roster, unless he shows up out of shape.
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swapping all UFA and RFA’s
Montreal trades Halak and acquires Ellis? WTF?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well ellis obviously to be the backup. they couldnt pay both price and halak though i would have dealt price.
Actually, as I think about it, I’d doubt Ellis even signs, he’s going to want to be a #1 I think.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly could be, but he seems to want to try. lol.
@dellis39: Very excited about the trade! Its an honor to be part of a team with such great tradition and passion! Hope we can figure something out!
Hmm…then Im baffled. He’s maybe $1-1.5m cheaper than Halak, but 5 years older. Makes no sense.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
stevezipay So NYR rescues Erik Christensen off journeyman scrap heap, puts him with Gaborik and he rejects two-year offer. Gratitude’s fleeting…
Yes…but it also might now give Sather the itchy trigger finger for trading/signing a center.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yep and over probably 75K in terms of not wanting to qualify him. sather finally decides to pinch and in the end backs the org into a slight corner.
that is some sather thinking because what we needed especially with our cap situation was to go from 825K to 4.5 mil. yes i am well aware that connolly is better player but at 5 times the price and whatever we would have to trade to get him. sounds like sound strategy.
lets hope that Reddens contract gets buried in Hartford then sir. I don’t think it would help the situation with our cap at all though.
i wasnt saying you specifically, but if that is part of the reaction this it is another example of why we are in this mess to begin with.
Exactly
try to sign Prospal. If not, give Grachev a spot. Dubinsky, Drury, Grachev, AA are good for centers. Maybe Prospal too
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve got no one to handle the second line opponents then, unless Drury and the 4th line are going to play 13-15 min a night. Grachev definitely isn’t ready for that level comp, and I’m not sure AA is either.
Dubi can handle the 1st at least.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Grachev is a winger, leave him there. Torts wont put Dubi back at center. So we have Dru and AA (who cant take faceoffs at least not yet). I’m not banking on or betting that Prospal repeats last year.
then maybe Frolov
lmao
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Frolov’s a wing too lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted the second part of that to say
keep Dubi at center, I like him there
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The best answer to all of it is Lombardi really.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who’s agent is very happy right now.
This is like last year with Zherdev and we ended up with Kotalik.
yup
but Frolov isn’t Kotalik
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because Ec hasn't agreed to a contract yet does not mean he will not re sign with the Rangers
Technically, he cannot sign until July 1, since he is a RFA, and the only way to sign him prior to July 1 if through the Qual Offer. Guys don’t have to be signed on July 1. He can test the market and realize no one else is gonna pay up to his expectations.
If he doesn’t it is not a big loss.
4.5 mil plus whatever it costs to trade for him.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Lombardi is smiling very wide somewhere right now. sather is going to give him 4+ mil to fill the hole.
Funny part is, Lombardi’s the perfect fit for 2nd center, if he would leave Dubi in the middle of line 1.
Since he won’t, you have no #1 C still, and Lombardi becomes a waste.
(while this might seemingly contradict what i’ve said about not needing a #1 C, i’m referring to the ability to handle the opponents #1 more than needing the unrealistic 80 pt guy)
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i really like Lombardi but i dont think he is worth 4 mil which is what i think with the dearth of FA’s out there he will get
If he’s a #2, you can argue 4m but I agree, I wouldn’t want him at that number.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
From that angle McWrath looks as wide as he is big. (cause he’s eclipsing the guy in front of him)
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i was talking more about the width than the height difference. looks like a defensive tackle on skates in that pic.
yeah but Smurf is right
you are looking at McIlrath +1/3, still pretty big though
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So who among these guys has the potential to be a future 35+ goal scorer?
MZA, Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, Anisimov… none of them??
only 15 each of the two years before. Was about to say I’m not sure any of them are 35+ guys, though they may have a single season at their peak.
I think all but Stepan can be 25+ guys though.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ideally, Stepan becomes Gomez without the contract. 15-50-65 and outscoring 1st line opponents.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah..I’ll sign for it now. Though you’re probably talking 4-5 NHL years at minimum before he’s at that stage.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Krieder, Grach and Anisimov I think can get to 35 or more. I see Stepan being a 40 pt player when he joins the Rangers.MZA I think will turn out like Leino
35 or more is really, really, really ad infinitum unrealistic. Again, this isn’t 80’s hockey, the chances the Rangers have three 35+ guys is almost infinitesimal, barring rule changes by the time they hit their primes.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Dubinsky and maybe still Gaborik by then. Yeah um…might have to rethink the projections even more. 6 @ 25+ is just as nutty.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. Yeah, either we’re building a juggernaut, or someone in there isn’t going to quite reach their potential b/c of ice time issues.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm old
I remember the days of Rick Vaive scoring 50 goals on shitty Leafs teams!
Yeah, I was in elementary school then. lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…the days of Joel Otto posting a 23-30-53 season and finishing just 8th on his own team (behind two defenseman!) are gone.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah!
A Joel Otto reference. Love it! I’m guessing MacInnis and Paul Reinhart were the 2 D-men that outscored him!
Gary Suter actually that year. That was the Flames cup year, Reinhart was in VAN at that point.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, that’s a little scary that you remember that. Then again, I clearly recall getting kicked out of math class in 8th grade for reading the NHL Guide & Record Book, so I’m not one to talk
If only I had paid more attention in school instead of memorizing hockey stats… I’d probably be in a better financial situation these days
Wow
Mind if I start calling you guys “Gramps”?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember?. I remember the names, but I had to google Otto’s exact numbers for that year. And I didn’t remember Reinhart, so I looked him up too.
I could only regurgitate about 1/3 of the numbers I post if there were no internet. But then I couldn’t post either.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So Sather offered EC the same money he got last year 750K a year and Shelley 850K a year for 2 years each.
Because hitting stuff is valuable, clearly.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
also according to Brooks
* The Rangers’ priority Thursday will be to sign a backup goaltender who is ready, willing and able to play 15-18 games in support of Henrik Lundqvist, and who will embrace that job description.
Marty Biron and Johan Hedberg (if he does not re-up in Atlanta) would be prime candidates.
do you think Biron or Hedberg are that much better than Auld?
I think Biron is a below average goaltender. Hedberg’s OK… but I think he just turned 64
i dont see why hedberg would leave when he could get starter’s money in ATL. Biron sucks, Auld is ok.
I’d still rather just throw CJ in and see what happens. The goalie market is flooded, you can always grab one mid-year.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in ATL.
Hedberg is a fan favorite, will be cheap, and actually can still play fairly well. if he does not return to ATl, that would be a big time shock. He was cheared more than the worthless G they traded to Dallas that was supposed to be their franchise goalie.
My pads are still in good shape. I’ll take league minimum, it’s cool.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to screw up the cap.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ec
hey first post i really enjoy this site
Not resignin E.C. was a bad move by sather. The ufa center class is weak at best, teams are more inclined to take a chance by throwin 1 to 1.5 mil at E.C. as opposed to mabey up to 3.5 to 4 mil at someone like Lombardi. E.C. had all of his 26 points in 50 games with the rangers pro rated, thats a 40 point season. I don’t understand why sather didn’t quailfiy him at that price, there were games that he realy looked good out there. Even if we get another center, E.C. seemed like a pretty cheap insurance policy.
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E.C. can still sign, he’s just turned down the initial offer.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, talk about gutsy
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 29, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i figured it would str it up a little bit
by wade redden on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You see?
That cheechoo was just bought out, I don’t know what that would mean contract wise if we picked him up. If anyone could shine some light I would appreciate it. I think he still has the potential to match his ridiculous season he had a few years back.
well if he was bought out if i’m not mistakin, then it would be whatever he agreed to but i really dont c anything there, we have enough guys that used to be productive
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although if patrick o’ sullivan gets bought out i would take a flyer on him, not at his almost 3mil cap hit, but i think he is or can play center, and hes real fast and only 26 or 27
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