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Rangers News: Prospect Camp Day 2, Voros on Waivers, Rissmiller is still on this team?

LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 26:  Andrew Yogan stands after being drafted in the fourth round by the New York Rangers during day two of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 26, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

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2 months ago: LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 26: Andrew Yogan stands after being drafted in the fourth round by the New York Rangers during day two of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 26, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)


Some thoughts from our friend Andrew Gross over at Ranger Rants on Prospect Camp Day 2: (click the link for the full story)

First-round pick Dylan McIlrath made his first appearance on the ice and Russian defenseman Mikhail Pashnin, the No. 1 overall pick in the KHL last year, certainly made an impression.

First off, I asked GM Glen Sather about the players who were tendered qualifying offers and Sather said it was everybody on the list (namely Staal, Girardiu) but not Erik Christensen and Enver Lisin. But, Sather said, the Rangers would like everybody back, they’re just unwilling to pay at the qualifying price and also risk the arbitration. Of the two, the Rangers clearly are looking to bring back Christensen - the reports are there might be a two-year offer on the table. The Rangers have also placed Aaron Voros, Patrick Rissmiller and Donald Brashear on waivers, which was no surprise. Only Voros has a shot of playing for the Rangers next season but the club likely wants to go in a different direction.

Again, Patrick Rissmiller is still with the team? Has he been in the MSG basement all this time?

Also, director of personnel Gordie Clark stopped by to chat about the draft, pointedly responding to the criticism of taking McIlrath at No. 10 by telling the reporters, "I don’t know where you get your information but I get it from someplace else." That wasn’t necessarily directed at the group here today but more at the national pundits like Pierre McGuire who pounded the Rangers during the NHL Draft coverage for selecting McIlrath.

Gordie also said there was no way the Rangers were picking Kabanov, sorry Joe.

Tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the Scott Gomez deal. It's always good for a laugh to go back and read our buddy Bob's take on the deal at Habs Eyes on the Prize.

Lastly, Carp says doing nothing on Thursday is better than doing something. I'm inclined to agree with him.Obviously it will suck for 2010-11, but can only make for a better 11-12, when Kreider, Werek, Stepan, McDonagh, Grachev, and who knows who else could all potentially be ready for full time duty.

Blueshirt Banter Radio tomorrow night at 8 PM, we'll have lots more about the Draft, including Jess from the Prospect Park, and audio from Gordie Clark breaking down each of the Rangers picks.

RIP Willie Huber.

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I still would have taken him

oh well, he’ll be a star on the Islanders until McIlrath destroys him

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

McIlrath scored today at the camp. Woo hoo

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

as did Yogan for this year’s crop.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yogan also seems to be a Kabanov may I add

A kid with miles of talent, could be a superstar, but has serious worth ethic issues. Although Yogan showed some improvement much more is needed.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, but he was a 4th rounder, so the potential reward certainly outweighs the risk.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be curious of Montreal’s take now, as Higgins Flamed out (full pun intended), and Gomez had a decent if unspectaular year in Montreal.

Be awesome if McDonagh-Valentenko became a pairing here for a long while.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

McDonagh and the Gomez contract are what they are most upset about

and both of those continued to pan out as expected. Higgins was bad but his contract is over, Gomez is there for 4 more years at 7 mil per, and McDonagh is gonna be a stud on our blueline for years to come

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that KHL Pashnin fellow Rangers property?
Haven’t heard much hype for him, but KHL number one overall pick is pretty impressive

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially when Gudbranson went 62nd in that same draft lol.

I’m pretty sure Tavares was taken in this year’s KHL draft. It’s kinda comical.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes we picked him in the 7th round last year.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh, is that a potential bargain?
Why was he picked first overall in KHL?
And coming to the prospect camp probably means he has some interest in coming to NY

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reason he went 7th round was because no one thought he would have a reason to leave the KHL as he was going to be the top pick there.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah leetchie

like I said he has the skill, but don’t get too crazy with that 1st overall thing.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh im not. he is a solid player, good all around doesnt strike as great in any area. does play physical as we heard about today.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

but im guessing he wont be coming over this year to play in hartford…..

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. and he might not come for a few years after that. it’s fine to let him develop over there. there are plenty of D in hartford already.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

he still has 1 year left on his contract

so at best he is here in 2 years

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to the Rangers website

Committed to only one more year in the KHL, Pashnin could be available to sign with the Rangers organization as early as next summer, when he will be just 22.

Also, from Gordie Clark

“We would never have drafted him if we weren’t sure about the passion he has for playing in the NHL,” said Clark. “Now that we’ve communicated more with him, we know that he clearly wants to come over.”

“I met with Sergei Nemchinov at the World Championships in Germany last month,” said Clark. “Nemchinov is very, very happy having him on his team, but Sergei also knows he had his own shot at the NHL, and he believes that if a kid wants to play here and that’s his passion then he wants that for the kid, too. … If he (Pashnin) wants to be an NHL player, then I think Sergei will respect that.”

Looks like he will be here next summer. Thank you Sergei Nemchinov.

by GAThingy on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he was the number 1 overall pick

mainly because they knew he would play on the team. He has skill, but don’t get too crazy with at 1st overall thing lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rissmiller is so bad,

They reassigned him to Grand Rapids from Hartford. He is not even good enough to play for the AHL team. i bet the would have sent him to Charlotte if they could have.

by GAThingy on Jun 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the chances of Spezza if Redden gets bought out?
I would much prefer Spezza to Ilya, and in a Spezza deal we could also likely shed a salary or two

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Would prefer Connolly, but would not mind Spezza as a back up plan

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Sather and the trade market, anything is possible.

Spezza will have a hefty price tag though, it’ll be like the Heatley deal, so figure the equivalent of Michalek (Dubinsky?), Cheechoo (we don’t even really have one, well of the version they were trying to get back), and a 2nd.

So Dubinsky, Girardi, a 2nd and a 2nd tier prospect (Kundratek, Weise?) probably would be the cost for Spezza, roughly, I think.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spezza is a pipe dream

The Senators would want the same ransom they wanted for Heatley. The Rangers won’t make a play for him unless that price tag goes down by a mile

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if it was Dubi, Rozi,a 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd i would do it cause remember we have an extra 2nd next year.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Dubinsky than Callahan

just sayin

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

so would i as we know, but for some reason that is like a 3rd rail around here. lol. also think ottawa would want dubi more.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right…I’d ordinarily just say Callahan, but I felt like keeping the outrage to a minimum.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about Rozy, Girardi, Cally, and a 2nd? Then the money is a wash, and Rangers would still have cap flexibility. maybe grab a Willie Mitchell? And Prospal? Maybe even trade for Connolly too if its not too expensive?

Prospal-Connolly-Gabby
Dubi-Spezza-Christiansen
Avery-Anisimov-Drury
Prust-Boyle-Shelley

Staal-MDZ
Mitchell-Mcdonagh
Gilroy-Valentenko/Potter/Sauer

and we would have MZA to call up for a scoring boost mid season.
That to me looks like a contender, but the problem is it would be a big roster makeover

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 great scoring lines, 3rd line is perfect grinding line.
Like the D too

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

too much D turnover imo. also you would definitely have to give up a roster player and prospect to get Connolly. Ribeiro and Savard would probably be cheaper.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

well Arnott didnt require much, so id be surprised if connolly required much more than Arnott

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

arnott is 35. put up 46 pts last year

connolly is 29. put up 65 pts last year

why is it you think the cost is going to be similar?

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

because for all his additional points and skill Connolly comes with baggage (poor playoffs, health).
not to mention expiring contract.

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by Jurgennehls on Jun 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

differences in age also wouldnt matter too much if the commitment is only one year. And Connolly played with better players than Arnott, and Arnott played 10 less games while still scoring two more goals, and goals are more valuable to assists.
Connolly would probably cost a bit more, but it shouldnt be MUCH more

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, connolly has injury issues, but your telling me coming off his healthiest year in 4 years that buffalo waited out and sell low?

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently he was very poor in the playoffs and Ruff was not impressed at all with him and Roy. With Buffalo notoriously financially prudent and with 1 year left on his deal they are may move him, for a modest amount

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by Jurgennehls on Jun 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont discount that, but even if they held him til the deadline they could get what nas got for arnott at a minimum. look at how 2nd rounders got thrown around at the deadline last year.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost

throw up when i see Cally’s name involved in a deal

by louielounz1 on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not have MZA in the starting line-up?

and personally I dont see a need for both Connolly and Spezza, we already have a log jam of centers in the minors, no need to add two more

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, i wouldn’t really want either of them. Maybe I would take whoever costs the least trade wise.

by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

or just neither

I debate this on my story tomorrow, so no need to go through it here. You’ll see tomorrow lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry

I’ll be an enemy then too. It’s about the idea of Demitra.

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

from 2009 or 1999? ;-)

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe both

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the problem with Demitra on a 1 year deal, in fact, I encourage it.

by KingHenrik on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

MZA is getting 1.75 mil

and I think if you are the MVP of the Swedish Elite league, you are making the roster. I think he is a slam dunk to make the opening day roster, unless he shows up out of shape.

by GAThingy on Jun 29, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie MTL ACQUIRES DUSTIN BOYD, DAN ELLIS AND FC FROM NASIN RETURN FOR SERGEI KOSTITSYNAND FC

swapping all UFA and RFA’s

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Montreal trades Halak and acquires Ellis? WTF?

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

well ellis obviously to be the backup. they couldnt pay both price and halak though i would have dealt price.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, as I think about it, I’d doubt Ellis even signs, he’s going to want to be a #1 I think.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly could be, but he seems to want to try. lol.

@dellis39: Very excited about the trade! Its an honor to be part of a team with such great tradition and passion! Hope we can figure something out!

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm…then Im baffled. He’s maybe $1-1.5m cheaper than Halak, but 5 years older. Makes no sense.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont see him getting more than 2.5 mil as he has two decent years in a row.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet 1.5-2 mil per year

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 29, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

stevezipay So NYR rescues Erik Christensen off journeyman scrap heap, puts him with Gaborik and he rejects two-year offer. Gratitude’s fleeting…

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

just read that ...

Well … more room for youngster to join the team.

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes…but it also might now give Sather the itchy trigger finger for trading/signing a center.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m pretty sure it’ll happen. We’re not looking to be last place this coming season … geez

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep and over probably 75K in terms of not wanting to qualify him. sather finally decides to pinch and in the end backs the org into a slight corner.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christensen rejected deal of more than $1.4 over two, probably closer to $1.5

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly sather could have guaranteed him at 1 yr 825K. hence 75K is what he tried to save.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad cause I actually like him playing with us. He seemed to had found his niche with us.

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you think Christensen would have accepted it?

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

he would still have had his rights instead of him now being a UFA

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it seems like EC is saying, you want me to play 2nd line minutes, how about paying me more than Jody Shelley? I can’t disagree with him there.

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if he goes to arb on 26 pt year how much does he get? 1 mil tops?

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

now he will go out and spend 2-3 mil to get the same production

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well … Tim Connolly is available

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is some sather thinking because what we needed especially with our cap situation was to go from 825K to 4.5 mil. yes i am well aware that connolly is better player but at 5 times the price and whatever we would have to trade to get him. sounds like sound strategy.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets hope that Reddens contract gets buried in Hartford then sir. I don’t think it would help the situation with our cap at all though.

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wasnt saying you specifically, but if that is part of the reaction this it is another example of why we are in this mess to begin with.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

try to sign Prospal. If not, give Grachev a spot. Dubinsky, Drury, Grachev, AA are good for centers. Maybe Prospal too

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve got no one to handle the second line opponents then, unless Drury and the 4th line are going to play 13-15 min a night. Grachev definitely isn’t ready for that level comp, and I’m not sure AA is either.

Dubi can handle the 1st at least.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grachev is a winger, leave him there. Torts wont put Dubi back at center. So we have Dru and AA (who cant take faceoffs at least not yet). I’m not banking on or betting that Prospal repeats last year.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

then maybe Frolov

lmao

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frolov’s a wing too lol

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted the second part of that to say

keep Dubi at center, I like him there

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

many of us do, but that doesnt matter since the guy who makes the lineup says he’s a winger

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best answer to all of it is Lombardi really.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

who’s agent is very happy right now.

This is like last year with Zherdev and we ended up with Kotalik.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

but Frolov isn’t Kotalik

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes but lets say EC and the rangers had to go to arb off a 26 pt year. what does he get 1 mil?

we went from that to 3.5-4 for what 20 pts?

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

more likely as smurf said the move to replace EC is lombardi.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because Ec hasn't agreed to a contract yet does not mean he will not re sign with the Rangers

Technically, he cannot sign until July 1, since he is a RFA, and the only way to sign him prior to July 1 if through the Qual Offer. Guys don’t have to be signed on July 1. He can test the market and realize no one else is gonna pay up to his expectations.

If he doesn’t it is not a big loss.

by GAThingy on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.5 mil plus whatever it costs to trade for him.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Lombardi is smiling very wide somewhere right now. sather is going to give him 4+ mil to fill the hole.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny part is, Lombardi’s the perfect fit for 2nd center, if he would leave Dubi in the middle of line 1.

Since he won’t, you have no #1 C still, and Lombardi becomes a waste.

(while this might seemingly contradict what i’ve said about not needing a #1 C, i’m referring to the ability to handle the opponents #1 more than needing the unrealistic 80 pt guy)

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really like Lombardi but i dont think he is worth 4 mil which is what i think with the dearth of FA’s out there he will get

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s a #2, you can argue 4m but I agree, I wouldn’t want him at that number.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hesitate to say this, but the way Sather is treating things this off-season, I don’t think he’ll sign Lombardi for 4M/year.

Yes, I fully expect to see the headline: Rangers sign Lombardi for 4/16M on 7/1 now.

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious. makes kreider look like borque.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if they had pics of Werek and Pash fighting lol

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

From that angle McWrath looks as wide as he is big. (cause he’s eclipsing the guy in front of him)

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was talking more about the width than the height difference. looks like a defensive tackle on skates in that pic.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s 6’4 215 right?

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the list and kreider is supposed to be 6’ 2" 205. they dont exactly look 10 lbs different.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but Smurf is right

you are looking at McIlrath +1/3, still pretty big though

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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see a pic of McIlrath and MZA side by side

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i want one of MZA in the corner with Chara for laughs.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

2, 4, 5 have the potential. Stepan is more of a playmaker/passer than scorer.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

then again only 11 guys in the league hit 35+ this year. 24 hit 30+

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 15 each of the two years before. Was about to say I’m not sure any of them are 35+ guys, though they may have a single season at their peak.

I think all but Stepan can be 25+ guys though.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea i see Stepan as 15-20.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally, Stepan becomes Gomez without the contract. 15-50-65 and outscoring 1st line opponents.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take 50 assists and 65 pts

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes a few years down the line.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope MZA makes the team this year. I can’t envision Torts NOT liking the way he plays the game.

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah..I’ll sign for it now. Though you’re probably talking 4-5 NHL years at minimum before he’s at that stage.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Krieder, Grach and Anisimov I think can get to 35 or more. I see Stepan being a 40 pt player when he joins the Rangers.MZA I think will turn out like Leino

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 or more is really, really, really ad infinitum unrealistic. Again, this isn’t 80’s hockey, the chances the Rangers have three 35+ guys is almost infinitesimal, barring rule changes by the time they hit their primes.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

where do i sign for 4 25+ guys, lol.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Dubinsky and maybe still Gaborik by then. Yeah um…might have to rethink the projections even more. 6 @ 25+ is just as nutty.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget Werek and Cally if still here.

Gabby, Dubi, Cally, Werek, Grachev, AA, Kreider

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Yeah, either we’re building a juggernaut, or someone in there isn’t going to quite reach their potential b/c of ice time issues.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm old

I remember the days of Rick Vaive scoring 50 goals on shitty Leafs teams!

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was in elementary school then. lol

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Warren Young scoring 40 in Pitt thanks to Mario

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha.. and then he faded forever into obscurity… go figure

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…the days of Joel Otto posting a 23-30-53 season and finishing just 8th on his own team (behind two defenseman!) are gone.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

A Joel Otto reference. Love it! I’m guessing MacInnis and Paul Reinhart were the 2 D-men that outscored him!

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gary Suter actually that year. That was the Flames cup year, Reinhart was in VAN at that point.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright, that’s a little scary that you remember that. Then again, I clearly recall getting kicked out of math class in 8th grade for reading the NHL Guide & Record Book, so I’m not one to talk

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to write up detailed series match-up during class when the playoffs would start and then give them to my friends who were fans of those various teams. I would spend way too much time on them including the drawing of the logo.

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only I had paid more attention in school instead of memorizing hockey stats… I’d probably be in a better financial situation these days

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you wouldn’t be as good at trivia.

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Mind if I start calling you guys “Gramps”?

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by Scratch and Snif on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember?. I remember the names, but I had to google Otto’s exact numbers for that year. And I didn’t remember Reinhart, so I looked him up too.

I could only regurgitate about 1/3 of the numbers I post if there were no internet. But then I couldn’t post either.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just saying … I can see each one of those players reach those numbers sometime in their careers. if they did it in the same season … then shit hopefully we would have one a cup or 2.

by Poe678 on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m disappointed the Rangers didn’t take a chance on Pulkinnen. Damned Detroit takes him 111th… pretty much ensures he’ll be a star

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

So Sather offered EC the same money he got last year 750K a year and Shelley 850K a year for 2 years each.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Because hitting stuff is valuable, clearly.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

also according to Brooks

* The Rangers’ priority Thursday will be to sign a backup goaltender who is ready, willing and able to play 15-18 games in support of Henrik Lundqvist, and who will embrace that job description.

Marty Biron and Johan Hedberg (if he does not re-up in Atlanta) would be prime candidates.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/rangers_have_free_agent_plan_too_UedoqJ0x5m2AWdW5tKYgBL?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0sIK8ABnQ

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think Biron or Hedberg are that much better than Auld?

I think Biron is a below average goaltender. Hedberg’s OK… but I think he just turned 64

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont see why hedberg would leave when he could get starter’s money in ATL. Biron sucks, Auld is ok.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still rather just throw CJ in and see what happens. The goalie market is flooded, you can always grab one mid-year.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

so would i, but at the same time i dont want him sitting and not playing when he could be in Hartford getting action.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like Raycroft as a backup optioon.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in ATL.

Hedberg is a fan favorite, will be cheap, and actually can still play fairly well. if he does not return to ATl, that would be a big time shock. He was cheared more than the worthless G they traded to Dallas that was supposed to be their franchise goalie.

by GAThingy on Jun 29, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll “embrace that job description” for a million a year

by AZRangerFan on Jun 29, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My pads are still in good shape. I’ll take league minimum, it’s cool.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ll take up a collection to get an extra dollar so you can say you make more than the minimum.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to screw up the cap.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, the do the Rangers offer Prospal a 1-year incentive laden 35+ contract now?

by NTB on Jun 29, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

ec

hey first post i really enjoy this site

Not resignin E.C. was a bad move by sather. The ufa center class is weak at best, teams are more inclined to take a chance by throwin 1 to 1.5 mil at E.C. as opposed to mabey up to 3.5 to 4 mil at someone like Lombardi. E.C. had all of his 26 points in 50 games with the rangers pro rated, thats a 40 point season. I don’t understand why sather didn’t quailfiy him at that price, there were games that he realy looked good out there. Even if we get another center, E.C. seemed like a pretty cheap insurance policy.

by wade redden on Jun 29, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s a bold screenname friend. Welcome!

E.C. can still sign, he’s just turned down the initial offer.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to the reports he turned it down and said he was going to become a free agent. yes he can still sign with us later, but likely for more money.

by mleetch352 on Jun 29, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, talk about gutsy

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 29, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea i figured it would str it up a little bit

by wade redden on Jun 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You see?

That cheechoo was just bought out, I don’t know what that would mean contract wise if we picked him up. If anyone could shine some light I would appreciate it. I think he still has the potential to match his ridiculous season he had a few years back.

by Ryan757 on Jun 29, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Although,

Like the rest of the rangers, he needs a passing center. Where are you Thornton?

by Ryan757 on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if he was bought out if i’m not mistakin, then it would be whatever he agreed to but i really dont c anything there, we have enough guys that used to be productive

by wade redden on Jun 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

although if patrick o’ sullivan gets bought out i would take a flyer on him, not at his almost 3mil cap hit, but i think he is or can play center, and hes real fast and only 26 or 27

by wade redden on Jun 29, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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