Rangers Analysis: Will The Rangers Go After Pavol Demitra?
by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintThe Rangers are always surrounded by rumors. It’s the nature of the beat when it comes to being one of the biggest markets in a sport. So it isn’t surprising that with the July 1st free agency opening that a ton of rumors would rear their ugly heads.
One rumor that is beginning to become abundant is the rumor of Pavol Demitra to the New York Rangers. I preface this post by telling you that this is 100% unconfirmed, I am simply bringing it up because Demitra is a possible candidate for center on the Rangers, and I write this article because you all may start seeing the rumor more and more.
There were whispers after the Olympics that Marian Gaborik wanted his former teammate to come to the Rangers and center his line. The oft-injured Demitra has also proven that he is a dynamic game changer, even at 35 years old, when healthy. But the end of that sentence is the real key to the issue. When Demitra is healthy he is an invaluable addition to a team. When he is injured—and it’s more often than not—he is obviously useless.
Although last season was a disaster—he only played in 28 regular season games—he did play in 11 playoff games for the Vancouver Canucks at the end of the year. He has proven that he can still put up points; two years ago he put up 20 goals and 33 assists for 53 points in 69 games. The year before—while playing with Gaborik—he notched 15 goals and 39 assists for 54 points in 68 games.
The Rangers haven’t exactly made it a secret that they are looking for a first line center. And while Demitra might not be the most attractive option—mainly due to his injuries—he still has some advantages that the Rangers may be interested in looking into. Mainly the fact that him and Gaborik have meshed well before, and that they are probably looking for all kinds of ways to please their perennial super star.
Join me after the jump for those advantages.
For starters Demitra will come cheap, mainly because of his 16 points (3 goals) in 28 games this past season. Being 35 years old also won’t help his case for more zeroes on the end of his paycheck. Now I realize that while these two pieces of evidence make him cheap, they also make him unattractive.
But there is a catch. The Rangers have a bunch of young centers in the minors who are a year away from the team; Evgeny Grachev, Derek Stepan and Ethan Werek being the big ones on the board. But none of them are truly expected to make the team out of camp, although one can argue that Grachev and Stepan are close; especially after John Tortorella made a public statement yesterday that he wanted to give guys like Grachev a shot at cracking the line-up.
Currently the Rangers have Artem Anisimov, Chris Drury and Brandon Dubinsky under contract. They are going to try to re-sign Erik Christensenand I am sure that Vaclav Prospal will also be on the re-sign list. By my count that’s five centers the Rangers may or may not have on their roster. If you wanted to be a pessimist and say that only one of Christensen or Prospal will be signed, that still leaves all four center slots filled.
Tortorella has shown no problem putting Dubinsky on the wing, and Prospal also swings as a left wing when he isn’t playing center. So that makes one open slot for a center if need be.
How does this relate to Demitra do you ask? It relates to his injuries. If the Rangers do decide to go agree and offer Demitra a one year contract—the only contract I would accept when it came to Demitra—they wouldn’t have to be overly concerned about his injuries. If he gets hurt they can simply replace him with one of the other options while he heals himself up.
So what’s the point? Ah, another good question, you guys are good. Since Grachev and Stepan seem to still be a year away from cracking the line-up, and we will have a MUCH better idea of that after this week when prospects camp is over.
So before you all jump down my throat here my response to this rumor. At the end of prospects camp deems whether or not Grachev or Stepan have a shot at making the team. If they have a legitimate one—and no legitimate doesn’t mean a sure thing, just a realistic chance—then stay away from Demitra. If the Rangers think that they won’t and they need some more help at center then maybe Demitra isn't a bad option.
He knows Gaborik's style, has had success with him before and brings another veteran presence to this young team. Again, if they don't need him or if the price is too high (or the contract demand is more than a year) then let him walk. He isn't a priority by any means, this is just my response to the rumor, and how I think he would fit on this team.
I would only want to entertain the idea if everything falls perfectly into place by the standards I have set above. I'm not saying that they Rangers should go after him even if things do fit into place, it's just an idea for discussion
But what are your thoughts on the matter?
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Yeah…no thanks. The age and injuries are a problem.
I kinda hope we don’t sign anybody this offseason except for maybe Zbynek Michalek or whatever his name is. The list of free agents this year is not that impressive, except for Kovalchuk who we cannot afford. Let our prospects develop and some should be ready to join the line up next season.
no way in hell injuries and age as i stated before lets keep away from the past mistakes with aging vets comming to ny lets move forward.Besides lets face the facts were not a cup contender nor a threat if we make the platoffs. So go with what we have. work on getting rid of redd and rozi save the money for next year. we sucked this long whats an other year besides one player is not going to make us a contender. one thing i wanna know other teams always seem t have some kid step up .why is it that the rangers other then mdz cant never have that happen
the only difference here
is that Demitra can be a bridge (like I said a one year contract only) for Stepan and Werek, if they don’t make the team this year out of camp.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
love the idea for the reasons you have stated
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
we were bound to agree eventually
:D
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought AA stepped up pretty well last yr. two solid rookies in one yr inst good enough? if anything its the vets who are letting us down not the youngsters
by BronxBeliever on Jun 30, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
If any of you guys watched the Olympics....
The leading scorer of the whole tournament was (a healthy) PAVOL DEMITRA. He inspired his team and led underdog Slovakia to the semi-finals, upsetting Sweden and Russia along the way, and giving Canada their 2nd toughest game.
He had 10 points in 7 games and willed his team to victory. With the Canucks in the playoffs he played gutsy two-way hockey on their third line most of the time and still managed 6 points in 11 games.
If you can get him for under a million a year and don’t have anyone else to try to play with Gabby, why wouldn’t you want him?
by SeanI on Jun 30, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Health is the only concern. If he can be had on a 1 year deal then i’d take him. In an ideal situation Grachev would be in AHL dominating. He Werek or Stepan can take over Demitra in 12 months then. I like a line of Dubinsky – Demitra – Gaborik
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+1, both dubi and demitra can either center or play wing there.
Also he will not cost less than 1 mil as seanl reccomended, but i would definetly accept 1 year 2 mil
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Slovakia
Had much more talent than the Rangers.
While his limited production last season can be attributed to injuries, he was still an afterthought on the Canucks who were the 2nd highest scoring team in the league last year.
He’s only played more than 70 games once in the post lockout period. I’d rather see Prospal back than Demitra.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jun 30, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they are converting Grachev to wing. Regarding Demitra, we have one of the best training staffs in the league, if Rammer says he can keep Demitra healthy, and we can bring him in on a cheap, one year deal, to keep Gabby happy, we should do it.
Can't see why not on a reasonable deal
who do we have to play there? Prospal?
Only problem is the Sather effect. Either he’ll overpay for Demitra, or get Demitra for a reasonable deal, then overpay for the worst possibly signing anyone can make in the offseason (like Brashear…again.)
KEEP LEE!!!
so you'd have no problem overpaying for Demitra?
Or have no problem signing Demitra then making a stupid move to offset the Demitra deal?
Mr. Sather, I presume?
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
just cause you think he might make another stupid move doesnt mean he should avoid demitra. He might make the other stupid move anyway regardles of demitra. Signing demitra is no reason in and of itself to make another stupid move
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
what does he have to do with demitra?
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this is going nowhere....
I’ll leave it at that.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahmad I completly see your point
I don’t want demitra rather propal but just because you expect sather to have an awful signing doesn’t mean you should shy away from demitra or a cheap short term center for that matter.
by klh2009 on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea on a 1 year deal for no more then what dubie is making. I think other players are watchin after the dubie contract stuff last year, then we will have to extend dub, cal, and aa at the same time.
ALSO I always hear about our defense prospects. what about nigel williams? we got him from colo. but i never hear n e thing when people talk future prospects????
is he still on our roster or does he just out right suck idk
I wrote about Williams on bluseatblogs a while back. He’s still in the system and he improved as the year went on, on a bad club last year. He’s a bit buried on depth chart but his skill set is enticing. A good camp and you never know……..
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what does our D depth chart for prospects look right now? not just in the ahl i mean for everyone we have rigths too
by BronxBeliever on Jun 30, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
we have alot of D in the pipeline in various forms
Outside of the NHL (and rights with NY):
Lee Baldwin
Ivan Baranka
Tysen Dowzak
Ilya Gorokhov
Sam Klassen
Tomas Kundratek
Daniel Maggio
Ryan McDonagh
Dylan McIlrath
Jyri Niemi
Mikhail Pashnin
Corey Potter
Mike Sauer
Pavel Valentenko
Nigel Williams
A mixture of good size and skill sets. I like our depth at D
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our depth at D is better than most teams
we’re top 5 at least
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
surfing the random rumor sites this morn i simply cannot seem to get away from the damn spezza coming here rumors (although the most persistent on these rumors is EK so take it with a grain of salt). anybody have some updates on this from a reliable source?
idk half f me wants spezza/ the other half wants to keep rebuilding this im tired of this half rebuilding pugatory we are stuck in. I refuse to visit eklund’s site.
but depends where you read. i have heard he is going to: tor, la, edm, cal, and the NYR plus even to stl i think
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
After reading the much anticipated Demitra article
I’m still eh. Though adding him AND trading for Connolly would give me the 9-1-1 line which I (probably alone) think would be funny, so there’s a plus.
I’m not sure at this stage he’s a #1C, I think Prospal is the better option, as he can handle 1st line opponents (and Torts generally matches 1st to 1st), is a hair younger, and comes without the baggage. Demitra-Prospal-Gaborik would work if you wanted to both though.
Ambivalence is probably better than feeling strongly no, especially with Sather and FAs.
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1 or the other i wouldnt want spezza and connolly at the same time
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
how bout this
would you rather have speeza or jeff carter if it woud cost you the same to get either??
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Carter because of contract length and cap hit but Spezz because we need a pass first center not a sniper. Otherwise Carter’d have to play on seperate line to Gaborik IMO.
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Carter’s a 300+ shot guy. There’s not many guys in the league that can get off that many shots. Playing them separately isn’t an issue for me, I’ve said often they need to strengthen the 2nd line, not the 1st.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
2003 draft
crazy we get hugh jessman 12th overall …
flyers get mike richards and jeff carter in the 20’s
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm…Carter was 11th overall that year, picked just before Jessiman.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
yea ur right
well that doesnt make me feel better carter was b4 hugh im not sure who i was think about mabey getzlaf??
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a list…Dustin Brown was 13th, Parise 19 or so, Getzlaf…it’s a sad list, best not to think about.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think about jumping off a bridge when I hear 2003 draft………..
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
best ever
best first round since ive been alive (25) i think anyway
nba 2 isn’t that the lebron draft
hey look at the bright side if lebron comes 2 the knicks apparently he likes hockey, so mabey he can get sather fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
about Kesler, drafted 23rd overall, 2003.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 30, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i leave him out on purpose
he is my favorite non ranger american born hockey player
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Getzlaf was the biggest pick
that Sather missed when he tok jessiman
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
we definitely need more scoring and spread out scoring but if we’r going to get a 5m+ player then i’d rather get a genuine top line center to accentuate our best weapon. Carter’s a great player though.
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im with you, would much rather spezza
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaborik’s ceiling isn’t much higher than the 86 pts he put up last year playing with Dubi/Prospal/EC/guy in the 3rd row.
The issue was and still is that Dubi/Cally/Avery/Drury and everyone else on the 2nd line did not produce goals with any consistency. Adding Carter, or even Spezza to that line would not only make us harder to match up against, but it should help develop the 2nd liners into more consistent offense, and get them adjusted to outscoring the 2nd/3rd line competition they’re facing.
I understand needing something better than EC to center Gaborik, but I don’t think you need to give him Spezza either.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
we need to have at least 2 consistent scoring lines at least. If you look at the Finals teams this year, and how little the top line of each team actually contributed offensively, that should indicate why we are not contenders.
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Meant at least 2 consistent scoring lines to be a decent playoff team – if you really want to win the cup, you need contributions from all your lines.
Grachev and Stepan and kreider will be a aprt of that someday lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i look at pit, was , chi, who were all terrible 4 a few years, and now there contenders every year. y cant we do that like suck 4 like 5 or 6 years and build this power house. our fans would endure that if we did it the right way. i mean what are our realistic chances this year, playoff bubble just in or just out….
I understandn why Demitra would make sense...
BUT Torts said the team needs to get stronger at center. That strength can be found within their system: Derek Stepan, Chris Kreider, Ryan Bourque, Ethan Werek, and Evgeny Grachev. Guess what all of those players have in common? First off, there are all top prospects within the Blueshirts’ system, and secondly they all play the center position.
Rangers should build off their prospects instead of free agents.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 30, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions
i was under the impression that kreider and grachev were better at wings???
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not my point, though. They all still have the ability to play center if the Rangers absolutely needed them to. Otherwise Stepan will be a great center.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 30, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
and it cant be a bad thing to have players who are positionally flexible.
I’d love to see Kreider – Stepan – Grachev in 3 years. Size, speed, youth and skill.
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by Jurgennehls on Jun 30, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh that would be beautiful!
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i think its grachev-stepan-kreider, but yea i get the point
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And idk if it has to be three years from now
Kreider seems to be more prepared than we may think, but he is still a year away at least. Grachev and Stepan seem to be ready now (I hope) lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but it probably wont reach its peak as a line for at least 3 years, but regardless i would love to seem them together at some point
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
they are wings
but they are also centers
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
grachev is almost definitely being moved to the wing. stepan has also been considered on the wing because apparently he is terrible on faceoffs. Kreider is stronger on the left wing by most accounts. werek has a lot of promise down the middle and borque has potential but is a question mark. Yes, we have lots of promising young talent at forward but no surefire first line centers. If we had the chance to get someone like spezza, he would definitiely fill a role that not many others in our system can
by BronxBeliever on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
PUCK POSSESSION
You want your first Line..here it is: Prospal Demitra Gaborik. Jagr restored respectability back to the franchise because the Rangers played his type of game, PUCK POSSESSION. What is this roster’s identity??? What are they known for? The Rangers don’t seem to be quick, big, grinding, or talented.
Demitra would be great and cheap option for 2 years max. This guy can still put up numbers.
i do agee to an extent that we lack a true identity in style right now. Think that will come with the youth though.
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by Jurgennehls on Jun 30, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
it does come with youth
but when you are a team in consitant lingo between youth and vets the line bcomes gray
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see Demitra as a step in the right direction. It’s a shame, but I have wrote off this comming season and am looking to the future. With that said, Pavol on the first line is interesting and as a fan I would be interested in watching it. That is one year only, 2 years and I be pissed.
My vote is still no.
this coming year is all about development for sure. Playoffs would be nice but development of youth much more critical.
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by Jurgennehls on Jun 30, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
playoffs is critical too, two years without playoffs would blow
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
might get Sather canned
HAHAHA
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him, but it’s a scary option when you consider Sather and his free agent history. Is he going to be a long term first or second center for us, deserving of a Satheresque contract? Or do we want someone to fill the holes til our young’uns develop?
i heard reports
he could commard close to 4 million due to lack of centers… we have enough bad contracts
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
he will get more than that. im guessing 4/16 probably.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be opposed to this if all the right pieces fell into place.
1) Low risk, high reward contract (those 35+ contracts suck) – short term and cheap
2) No other big free agent moves (this year is about developing our youth – Demitra can help that, as long as he’s not coupled with several other free agents taking spots away from our youth)
3) Either Prospal or EC are not brought back. Don’t think we should have all 3 of them – too many spare parts.
Anyone know where to find his faceoff stats at center?
Demitra was 53.5% on 86 faceoffs this year.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
86 is a relatively small number, even considering the small number of games played, right?
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes…Sedin and Kesler take the high-high majority of their draws (1300+ each). Only Drury for us took more than 700.
If you want to know in small part why we struggled? Anisimov (44.9%) and Boyle (38.7%) took 1000 draws for our team.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
boyle should not take any draws next year, and anisimov must improve
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Anisimov will get better with draws
as he matures
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Oh I know..
Just pointing out that it was a problem this past year, one that other coaches might’ve tried to hide. And at least Anisimov’s losses tended to be in the Off. Zone.
Boyle should not be a center with those numbers though, and he definitely shouldn’t be taking defensive draws
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
staal and girardi
the rangers need not worry about demitra, he’s old and oft-injured as you put it. sink that extra money into staal and girardi and bring 1 of the kids up and let him gain experience. plus the rangers need some more speed up front and i’m sure grachev/stepan can help the rangers with that!
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
that trade would ruin my day. jokinen had some mediorce time with dallas i think and then one real good yr with carolina, right? why on earth would we trade our best dman for a mediocre LW whos 4 or 5 yrs older?
by BronxBeliever on Jun 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
thats not even funny
for girardi mabey but no way for marc ..
lol i would trade marc for eric but thats all i want from their roster
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh no way
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by Nick Montemagno on Jun 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
if im trading with Carolina I want Sutter and Boychuk
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
just the thought of that ruined my day, Im going to go ape shit if this happens.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah agreed
Ryan or nothing, and maybe not even Ryan
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not even Ryan, For me to be ok with losing Staal we would need to be getting Ovechkin or Backstrom. or someone of that caliber.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I read it
Sounds like a canes fan wet deam. jokinen had one good year plus i would have to agree with the thinking that if we were trading marc staal we could to beter then jokinen
bobby ryan is only person id consider
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
that or a plethora
of 1st round picks, lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pavol Demitra would be nice for 1 year low money. Thats it. Im sure we can still develop the young guys cause he would be on the DL most of the time so its a win win I think.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Interesting rumour, and I stress rumour at this point: EDM possibly moving Souray to STL with Brewer coming back the other way.
this would be great news for us.
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That’s fantastic. Still won’t trust it until Souray is actually traded somewhere aside from here.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
can't you just see Souray and Redden
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
erm
end of that should say: “here on the same blue line” lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a funnier thought the other day. I want Souray traded to the Islanders so him and Streit are on the same PP.
What’s the o/u on people killed by a puck if that happens. 10? 20?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
in prospect camp news Grachev w 4 goals, Horak with 2 goals. 5-3 right now. They are playing a lot of 4 on 4 in the scrimmage and Zipay says
stevezipay Grachev, Stepan, Horak excelling in 4 on 4
Horak gets very little talk in here but i really like him as a 2 way center who is lethal on PK.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
Who are the goalies? Johnson and Stajcer? Zaba?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Found it…Stajcer and Cam Talbot.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
still nice to see EG net 4, Horak 3 and Werek get 1. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely…I was just curious what ‘superstars’ they were lighting up.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew he had a few, but just looked up Horak’s stats and he had 5 SHG and 6GWG last year.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez…can we replace Boyle with him now?
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he isnt ready yet, but he can be a 3rd line center for sure.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but if the Rangers wanna go young so can Stepan
lol
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oh lol
well it’s not a bad point since Stepan might make the team outta camp
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
with the way torts plays the young better for him to play 20 min on the first line with EG in hartford, dont u think?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed…even a 1/2 year of Grachev-Stepan in HFD is better than him seeing if Stepan and Shelley can mesh for 5 minutes a night.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
AGrossRecord Grachev feeds Werek for empty-netter. Red wins 6-4 at #NYRangers prospect scrimmage.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would totally watch the Prospect scrimmage if they have an online feed or something lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Grachev
i have herd him talk, he speaks english very well. People have made comparisons to AA adjusting to the ahl but AA still cant speak a word english. It all sound promising i think speakin the language helps so much which will only speed up Grach’s development. Im just real excited to c if he makes the team this year.
there is video of him talking to reporters for 5 min the other day in english if you want to see it.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i think we may be in the minority but i would like to see him on the big squad this yr instead of another yr in the ahl
by BronxBeliever on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i no ahl was were he belonged but i got the impression he got a little discouraged when he didn’t make the rangers last year. but i want him up 2 plus AA really took 2 lisin last year so, another russian will help him play better wit grach on the team.
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Zippay tweeted that grachev enjoyed playing with werek and stepan and hopes to play with them in the future… i mean even though this is only a prospect camp, it seems grachev came out of the shoot a lot stronger this year than last year… seems like he’s on a mission to make the rangers this year…
yes, last year he was out of shape when he came in, but now he understands better what the professional side of it was as he said in being better prepared for torts conditioning tests.
Those 3 playing together would be a great line for us
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he was playing with Horak… my mistake, but he scored twice on feeds from werek and added a helper on wereks Empty netter
how can that be? grachev had 4 goals, horak 3 in a 6-4 game, how could they possibly be on the same line unless we are flipping teams during the scrimmage?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
based on quotes seem you were right before that it was werek, stepan and grachev.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
really? maybe we watched a different season but from what I saw AA played his best hockey with Prust and Shelley not needing another Russian. I am sure he would love to have one to hang around with because of his lack of English, but to bring Grachev up for that would be a bad idea.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Preissing (COL), Pandolfo, Peters (NJ), Nokelainen (PHX), Dawes (CGY) on unconditional waivers. Eligible to be bought out if they clear.
wait i thought pandolfo was injured so he could’t b waived????/ or bought out
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How did we ever trade him?!
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
however… IF grachev keeps this up, he may be headed to the big club rather than AHL with stepan wherever that maybe, another thing to look at is how werek has been doing… IF he continues his pace he may make it very hard for torts to keep him down…
what we should take from this is that our future is getting closer every day, and some of these kids may be here sooner or than later… so we really have to consider if these kids are going to have a shot in making the team.. signing a demitra might block the road for these guys and we already have enough road blocks in redden, rozi, drury
what pace does werek have to keep up? scoring a goal in a prospect 4 on 4 scrimmage?
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I said the other day I think Werek of all the forwards might be the most likely to push for a spot this year. That kid is truly on a mission to wear this sweater and you have to love that. thing with werek is if he doesnt make the club he has to go back to juniors.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
quotes from the prospects
Grachev: “I have a responsibility 2 not let (Torts) down if he has high expectation for me…show him and everybody I should be here w/team”
#NYR Evgeny Grachev on playing w/Derek Stepan today: “It is really enjoyable…I would like to play with him one year with the Blueshirts”
#NYR Derek Stepan calls Chris Kreider “strong as an ox” after scrimmage today; “great kid, great teammate; can’t say enough about him”
Grachev certainly had some chemistry with Stepan, who he called “smart with the puck… He doesn’t just dump it, he can move it well, he’s a good playmaker and he can score. You guys saw…it was a highlight goal. Really enjoyable, I’d like to play with him one year with the Blueshirts.”
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Grach
seems like Grach is better prepared for camp this year, Grachev and Stepan like playin each other……match made in heaven???
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well think of it this way. in juniors he played with duchene and while stepan isnt as good, as a playmaker he is. grachev never really played with a playmaker in hartford last year. put kreider or werek out there with those two and let them have at it.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Grachev was always gonna be good lol
I have no idea why do many people got down on him. Not you leetchie, ive been out for the day and I wasn’t sure where to toss this in lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i fell in luv wit watchin him in jr’s and i wasn’t down either such a big jump 2 th ahl it would take more then a year b4 i gave up on grach
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, but i do think he is going to need a playmaking center with him to reach his potential. people got down on him because all people focus on is numbers, which is natural but doesnt tell the story. going from Juniors to AHL is tougher than AHL to NHL imo.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And not even Juniors to AHL
But Russian to North American style. He got away with it in Juniors because he is huge, but heh had a good year in the AHL last year. Let’s see what he can do with it
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome name
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
from Gross
Stepan, meanwhile, is looking forward to the challenges of the pro game – and of going through coach John Tortorella’s training camp.
"For me, right now, I felt ready for the next step but it was not an easy decision, I have all the respect in the world for the University of Wisconsin," said Stepan, adding he was not trying to influence Badger teammate Ryan McDonagh’s decision whether to remain in college or sign with the Rangers. "It’s a different style of game, too. In the college league, it’s more run-and-go. This is more puck possession. This (prospect camp) gets me ready for pretty much anything. It’s getting back to square one and prepares you for what’s next."
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
kausatoday Flames want to re-sign Higgins, but he has told them he will test the market. However, Higgins still plans tol talk to Flames after July 1.
higgins wants to test the market, hilarious.
agreed
thats the post of the day higgins should sign the first thing thats put in front of him
well gotta love sather when he f** up bad but then really quickly undoes it lol
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yea we got prust and 3 mil in cap space this year and the flames got kots who they waived and higgins who thinks he is worth shopping around.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Higgins is a fool is he actually thinks that anyone will touch him
after scoring 9 goals this year (and I don’t even know if 9 is the right number, I’m guessing, I know it isn’t more than 10 lol)
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It was 8…..and he is a good buy low candidate for someone. He’s not nearly as bad as he played here.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets put it this way, Demitra is worth 4 million per year, but only plays like 50-60 games correct? Then he loses 1 million just for that reason, then his 35+ contract and eventual aging decline lose him 500k. So for about 2.5 million, ill take him. I’d add that Sather should give Prospal the same contract just to be fair.
demitra on a 1 year 2.5 deal…. thats ok wit me but then propsal aint coming at all well not for a mill anyway which i am ok wit
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure which id rather, prospal or demitra
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say Demitra
him and Gaborik meshed perfectly in the Olympics and Gaborik made it known that he would love to play with him again
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats exactly why I love the idea of the three of them on a line together
2.5 each for Vinny and Demitra on one year deals, as well as sending Redden down…WIN WIN
Vinny had better not get 2.5mm from Sather.
Last year he made 1.15 from NYR
He also made 1.166mm from TBL due to the buyout of his contract, which pays him that amount, regardless of what he makes anywhere else, through the 14-15 season.
I’d given both of them a net 2.5 – for Vinny that means the NYR pay him 1.34mm
(and I just saved us ~1.2mm on the cap)
1.34 is a pretty fair price
especially for him
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
prospal is prob the safer choice n possibly cheaper but historically he has a good year then bad year so if last year was a good year then bad year time.
demitra is a hugh injury risk how hasn’t played 70 games in i think 5 years (not sure) but i think out of the 2 he’s the better center but then our 2 most productive players could but hurt wit a bli nk of an eye but mabey a big plus it would make gabby really happy and possibly more productive
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Vinny P
is actually worth 3 mill per if anyone takes into account that he is a good two-way forward.
yea but don't forget that when the Lightning bought him out
he got 20+ million ( I think) for doing nothing. So he doesn’t exactly need to bite the hand that is feeding him, since he basically had a full contract paid to him without playing.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I always think what does a player that has been bought out, coming off the year he has had demand. I mean he deserves 3, but I think he gets 2.5 for just that reason, also I know you and Bradshaw know this, but for those who don’t He will not come at 1.1 million again or 100k more than Voros money. lol
if he enjoyed his time here
and I do think he did, then he will sign for a hometown discount. Trustme
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
name the last player that signed here for any discount, let alone home town?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
being the highest paid goalie in the league is a discount?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that was still like 4 mil i believe, underpaid but not a huge discount. also if sather hadnt been cheap then he could have locked hank up for less long term. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and again that number was 4.25 mil. he wasnt playing for peanuts.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying he is overpaid, just it could have been cheaper than it is, but every deal sather does qualifies for that.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
agree NTB, made a fanpost about it earlier this offseason, i also think he is overpaid
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Jun 30, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
True
althoug his contract doesn’t bother the least bit, I couldn’t tell you why…although it would probably have something to do with Redden, Rozy, Dru, Gomez etc.
If Prospal comes back
he will sign for under 2 mil. I can almost guarentee it
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But how much would that be a discount from the 4 mill per(i think) he was making in Tampa or a discount from the year he just had?
yea but if you were hank...
right now as much as a discount would be nice would u give a discount if u were hank??? he has no help, he stands on his head every night he could of prob went 2 atleast 15 teams with better situations and better d-fence’s and look at marty on the devils when u face 15 shots a night u can play 4 20 years
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he was talking about vinny i believe.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
o
yea i meant 2 put that up the page a little bit….
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i sort of brought this up the other day, but maybe now is another chance to do it. i dont think anyone in here expects us too contend this year, so what if we took our lumps while developing the kids at this level and letting them go through some of the growing pains they will eventually have anyway. Say you brought Grachev to play with Stepan and maybe Werek (depending on camp obviously) to be a 3rd line and get 10-12 min a night, you dont go out and tie up money or spots for the future.
Dubi-AA-Gabby
Avery-Dru-Cally
Grachev-Stepan-Werek/Kreider/MZA
Byers-Prust-Boyle
Question becomes if they are ready and if they would be better off playing together 20 min a night in Hartford.
i am so 4 rebuilding like real rebuilding
but since i don’t think sather will just break i down completly so…..
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure tons of teams are
but to be compleatly honest, if the Rangers came calling I think Gaborik would have more muscle in favor of the Rangers
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
i believe we would have a leg up if we wanted demitra
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
storyline to watch for today is Spezza i think.
His NTC kicks in tomorrow so I wouldnt be shocked to see him dealt today and I would be interested.
no that was me. no rumor involved, just looking at the facts out there. he might have a rumor out there.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I truly believe that the Rangers want him
but if they are gonna spend 7 million on a player (which is his contract) I would rather get Kovalchuk for “free”
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy will get more than 7, and Spezza fills a bigger need than Kovy, but also depends on demands. said i would be interested not buying unless i know the price ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
really good point Leetchie
I’ll take Spezza.
How does Callahan, a 2nd, and maybe Byers or something sound?
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i think ottawa might do that cause rumor has it they might be hot on Ryan with a sheet. probably would have to upgrade byers to at least sauer or another D, girardi possibly.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say
Callahan, a 2nd, and Girardi sounds great to me
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
me too. my guess says they would want dubi since that was the rumor in the heatley talks.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
actually for Spezza
I might thing about Dubi, I would want a pick back though
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
so Dubi, Girardi, 2nd round for Spezza and a 4?
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but
who has more potential?? dubi or AA??
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that might be crazy enough to work
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
actually I was talking to Leetch lol
your idea would work too, but I would rather keep AA than Dubnsky
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by Joe Fortunato on Jun 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not
Dubinsky, Cally and Staal for Spezza then we could watch him not hit, not play the pk, not play defense, and watch him score like Drury in his prime…gimme a break lol
score like drury in his prime…spezza 464 games 475 points. drury never hit 70 pts in a year, spezza did it 4 straight with 3 over 85.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
One of those years was with Binghamton Sens. Also, the last two years he scored 73 points and 57 given that last year he missed time and that would have been lets say 77 points. So, why give up so much for that? I say go get Frolov for a contract…makes more sense. Its the same thing head case scorer with lackadaisical defensive skill.
frolov who has declined each of the last four years from 71-67-59-51 though in the 67 pt year he missed some time.
what are you talking about Binghamton. all spezza stats are from the nhl. 90-87-92-73(obvious down year)-57 (60 games). he is an 80 pt scorer and number 1 center who is 27.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
I stand corrected, but why give up the house and money when you could sign Kovy or Frolov for the same result. Might I add getting rid of Duby( gritty ascending forward), Girardi(solid second pair guy), two second round picks or one first( jessiman or Del Zotto…impossible to ever know). I’ll sign a FA before getting rid of some nice growing pieces.
because there is a huge difference b/w a winger even as good as kovy is and a legit number 1 center. i only gave away 1 2nd, you were throwing in a 2nd. yes it could be valuable as AA, Dubi, Stepan, Werek were all 2nd’s, but we have an extra 1 because of the Sangs deal so the way i look at it is Sangs, Dubi (would prefer Cally), Girardi for Spezza.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather not add another 7 million dollar contract, Spezza is soft and his career numbers are inflated from his seasons just after the lockout when he played on arguably the best line in hockey.
then you dont want to look at Ek’s new rumor because it is much worse than what we were talking about
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
mabey a d man 2 ??
they just gave up heatly they would pro want king’s ransom
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well
we dont need a head case winger imo and la can throw a ton of loot at him plus la is t r good
isn’t kovi gonna want like around ovi money i think there is a ittle competion there 4 the best russian????
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you think kovi's cap hit will b??
i really think gettin close 2 ovi’s number is important 2 him unless i am completly off base idk???
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i think malkin’s is more likely, but i would guess Eric Staal 8.2 maybe.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta give you guys credit i just joined this site and
it’s nice to b where the fans aren’t just not living in reality. for the most part i have seen well thought out and reasonable opinions ….
We should sign
two head case wingers, something tells me two wrongs could make a right lol
I dunno Zherdev and Frolov?
lol
yea really that would b intresting and if nothing else def. intertaining
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
sure with Torts shown love for russians the press box would certainly be full, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the subject but germaine to the discussion -Seems like McDonough made statements expressing ambivilence about joining the club now and passing on his final year of college. His reasoning seemed sensible get his degree and gain the leadership experience of captaining the Badgers. Just wondering what you guys see pros and cons of his returning to college for one more year? Is it that big a deal, and has he come any closer to making a decision?
he said he wont decided until after prospect camp. not many pro’s in terms of the rangers in him going back as he is physically ready to be here now. cons are he plays another short schedule instead of getting better equipped to play 82 and he could potentially wait out the rangers and become a FA next summer.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
two dashes in a row makes the strike through i believe.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no the Oil put him waivers with the intention of buying him out, the Coyotes picked him up off of waivers and sent Vandemeer in return.
n bob mckenzie said per twitter:
., Oil are keeping Vandermeer to play him. Makes sense now. PHX saves money on buyout (O’Sullivan cheaper than Vandermeer).
about 3 hours ago via web
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
phx is saving money by buying out o sullivan instead of vandermeer
and i guess edm wants to keep vand 4 now anyway
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no the o sullivan buy out is a done deal per cap gek
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by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yea def
they are my favorite 4 that reason
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but he is still a free agent
o sullivan was bought out. don’t phoe loss their rights to him if they buy him out
and they have 2 now wait tll jul 1st like every 1 else??
by sathers cigar on Jun 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Maloney gets him. He’s a smart dude.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another old fart whos gonna make us almost decent who is gonna miss 30 games… Go get em Slats!! Give him a 4 yr deal while your at it.. With a no move clause! Uhhhhh God I cant wait till midnight!
In 94 I thought i could die in peace... Now I watch a ranger game and just want to die.
No
Demo is a terrible hockey player. Trust me, you don’t want him.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 30, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you
You are making the right move. Demo will only be a drain on your hockey team.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 30, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
why not only if ?
dump prospal and resign christensen and demitra has to sign a 1 year 1 million dollar contract if not then go back to slovakia brochacho .
lohaus #54
Are you guys suckers for punishment? I never wanted Demitra in Vancouver to begin with and then he went out and proved why over his 2 year tenure. He’s soft. He’s streaky. He’s not there when you need him most.
He wants to play with Gabby? So what? Trust me, you can do a hell of a lot better.
Excuse my bluntness, but the Rangers should cease being a graveyard for old washed up players to go and die.
So that’s a no to the Modano idea too? lol
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I like you lol, Although a year of Pavol wouldnt hurt one bit unless of course our kids Stephan and Grachev are ready.
by CrazyRangerFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
David Pagnotta TheFourthPeriod Re: Souray. Forget LA, wont happen. Talk of ANA & PIT. RT @OilersReport Have you heard other interest besides STL? We hear SJ, DAL, NYR & LA
I’m telling you…until he’s gone I won’t believe Souray’s not coming here.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t there some kind of FIRE SATHER petition you could sign? Damn
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
been there done that. he scares me more in FA than trades for the most part though.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…for all the bad he’s done in FA, he’s done a lot of good via trades.
Of course, the good trades are born out of bad FA signings. It’s almost like he signs these deals just to unload them and kill other people’s cap room.l Like some sort of evil genius.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 30, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger @NHLSourcesSay. Agreed. Leafs and others may show interest, but if Van offers $4.5 per year or a bit higher, I say the Canucks get him.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s fine and dandy, but Gilis won’t be the only GM offering him that. I say Hammer ends up in the USA
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 30, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions