Rangers Analysis: Glen Sather Walking on Thin Ice
This past Tuesday marked GM Glen Sather's ten-year anniversary of being the president and general manager of the New York Rangers. We have established here on the blog that he is not going anywhere between now and the next season despite false rumors and fan rallies outside Madison Square Garden. This is the first season in which the Blueshirts have not been playing hockey beyond the regular season since the lockout, and that alone is not going to cost Glen his job. However, back-to-back seasons of overall failure may get the attention of ownership, who at some point will become fed up with mediocrity or less.
The Blueshirts mastery of just barely sneaking into the playoffs year in and year out has hid many of the faults of this organization and the team itself. Essentially, it is the reason Glen Sather remains the head of the front office. Once making the postseason, though, the Rangers have only come out victors in two playoff series since Sather has been GM. Both of those series wins came in the first round which eventually led up to their downfall in the semifinals.
Since the magical run in 1994 and some scattered success after that with Gretzky and others occupying roster spots, the city of New York has not been able to experience the Conference Finals in an entire decade, let alone the Stanley Cup Finals. When you are a big market team and have a history like that, most often changes are made to management. I mean, c'mon even the Toronto Maple Leafs figured that one out by hiring Brian Burke and Ron Wilson to take over the reigns up North.
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An entire decade and all Sather can brag about as far as his career in New York goes is two measly playoff series wins. There is not much else to his name in the Big Apple. He traded away a legend in Brian Leetch, he tried going in multiple directions with this team and just repeatedly failed, and now he has run out of options and is taking whatever leftover scraps from other teams that he can find. And not only has he done that, but he has handed those players all-star salaries to do, well, close to nothing.Just take players like Wade Redden, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez, Donald Brashear and Ales Kotalik. Granted he got himself out of two of those contracts, but two of them still remain and are coming back to bite him down the road. Don't forget Michal Rozsival, who was re-signed at $5 million when he was probably worth around three million, if that.
At least in the "Dark Years" as they are termed by the Ranger faithful, Glen was reeling in marquee names such as Eric Lindros and Pavel Bure. Although they were washed up by then, there was still some sense of direction as far as what he was trying to do. Following that, it was the European era with Jaromir Jagr, Martin Straka and Michael Nylander leading the offense. Now, what is his aim? What direction is he moving in? We have seen so man attempted rebuilds fail so what should make us believe that the one they are currently in the middle of is going to be any better?
I will admit that the Rangers do have a great farm system and group of prospects approaching their time to make the jump to the National Hockey League. Those players are knocking on the Rangers' door, but many of them do not have room to make the move because of already occupied roster space that is currently held by dead wight contracts belonging to lack luster players. Plus, I give a lot of credit to Gordie Clark, the head scout for the Rangers, for bringing these young stars into the system, not Glen Sather.
So when you look at the big picture, view the rosters over the past ten years since Sather has been in office, and look at the patterns, it just seems all too believable that the cycle is starting all over again. With the ice back to being melted in April, Sather is going to attempt to speed up yet another rebuild by acquiring useless free agents that will get this team nowhere.
If the right players are brought in, new prospects are introduced to the NHL squad, and this team somehow manages to get back on the playoff track, then that is great. But if Sather is again spending the regular season trying to patch holes he made in the roster during the offseason, his job will quickly be on the brink of coming to an abrupt end. Of course, there is a while until his fate will be determined based on the 2010-11 season, but if the cycle continues as planned, we will soon realize how far this team will go just based on the changes, or lack thereof, made this summer.
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Well the only thing he hasn’t done when it comes to rebuilding the team year after year is NOT SIGN ANYONE and GO WITH THE KIDS. Maybe this year he’ll give that a chance to the hopes of just about everyone on this site.
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It’s not that simple. You can’t just throw in all these kids who simply are not ready to be playing in the NHL. Which kids did you want to throw in to the NHL exactly?
I’ll give you Potter, Sanguinetti, and Byers (and to a lesser extent, Heikkinen), but that’s it. Not a single other player is NHL ready. In fact, it’s questionable as to whether Sanguinetti is NHL ready.
by Dave Shapiro on Jun 8, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But how are you going to know if they’re “NHL ready” until you play them in the NHL? Of course they’re going to fall down a lot to start, but isn’t that how you learn? Look at the two teams in the cup finals. Lots of home grown talent that stumbled for a few years and is now shining. Keep the core pieces – Henrik, Staal, Gaborik, Callahan, Dubinsky, and even Drury and Rozival for veteran presence. And then let the young guys get their chance to grow up together. Can’t be much worse than what we put out there this year.
All of Sathers attempts at building this team has failed. How many times is he going to fill in empty roster spots with overpaid underachieving free agents. He’s done it year after year all to what end? What have we accomplished over the past 10 years? A couple first round playoff wins and some mid round draft picks. Yes we have some good young players on the team now but who would have thought that Callahan would turn out to be the player he is now if we didn’t give him a chance and bring him up to see what he can do at this level.
The time is now to start bringing up players and see what they’re made of.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Jun 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Re-builds take years, and the current one, the one we’ve been in since the lockout (yes, this team has been rebuilding), has been relatively successful. You don’t have an entire team built through the draft. You build core players and then you fill in the holes with free agents. The core is in the process of being built. Until guys like Stepan, Kreider, etc are NHL ready, you have to put a decent team on the ice.
76… I want to agree with you… and almost do…. I’m not sure Torts is the man to develop youth… at least not now with this team. He got a young team to play hard in Florida, but that was a different team. He’s not getting the most out of this team and doesn’t have the patience and consistency to work out this team’s problems. I have a feeling it worked in Florida because the youth pulled together and earned their spot. This team isn’t pulling together yet. And with the same captain, and same big salaries playing and not pulling their weight, I don’t see them pulling together next year either. Torts likes to bully guys, and they all say the same thing.. they respect him. You can bully guys for not pulling their weight if you’re consistent. Then the youth pull together with we’ll show him attitude and it works. It can’t work when guys who don’t have any drive play night in and night out and you bench young players for every mistake.
I want the young players even if it means losing games, but not if it hurts their development. Let the guys develop in Hartford. The payday isn’t for a few more years anyway.
Obviously there are guys that need to develop in the minors. Anyone who reads my posts knows i’ve been saying all along that we are 2-3 years away from being competitive. Guys like Krieder, Stepan, Mcdonagh and this years draft pick all need to develop.
But there are guys right now ready to play. Sangs, Byers, Potter, Grachev all should be brought up and compete for starting jobs this pre-season.
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My man Gordie Clark getting some props, can’t wait to see what he can do in this draft. Great write up, makes me realize that it probably can’t ever get any worse down the road.
no reason to have him as a GM still.
i watched ‘Boys on the Bus’ about the Oilers ’87 (?) season and it showed a more ruthless, and focused Glen Sather.
He just doesn’t care anymore.
I think “focused” may be a key word there.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Plekanec at New York?
Some rumors from Montreal tell that Tomas Plekanec could sign with the Rangers
http://www.hockey30.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1175:plekanec-à-new-york?&Itemid=18
Oh, they’re certainly going to talk to Plekanec. The cap number is going to be the issue.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if they find a way to sell the idea of a certain, unnamed defenseman to a KHL team dumb enough to take him.
Cap number’s still an issue even if there are a certain 2 unnamed defenseman going to dumb KHL teams (and KHL teams are dumb, did you see that one of the teams just ‘drafted’ John Tavares?)
Plekanec at 4/24 or something is an issue, no matter how many other bad contracts we shed.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
4/$24 million?! Holy hell. Oddly enough, that’s the exact amount of the Redden cap hit.
by Dave Shapiro on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh…Redden’s cap hit is 4/26 for the remaining.
4/24 for Plekanec is an exaggeration just to point out that Sather can and will overpay for him if necessary, and that in itself is an issue.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 9, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's the love?
Sather traded two no-name players who never made it in the NHL for Bure, and a 2nd rd draft pick… that seems fairly genius to me. Bure put up 50 points in 51 games for the Rangers before his body failed him.
Similarly, Sather traded absolutely nothing for Lindros, who put up more than a point per game in the first season with the Blueshirts, then began his decline as his body, too, failed him.
Everyone loves the Jagr move because he played to his potential, ie he didn’t have to deal with career threatening concussion/ leg injuries.
I don’t understand why everyone hates on a guy that has some of the most exciting prospects coming through the system. Yes, Redden, Gomez, and Drury were atrocious deals. But he flipped one of those into Gaborik. The Kotalik deal was erased when Sather traded for Jokinen.
So again, what’s the problem?
I'll bite.....
In no particular order:
1. Hugh Jessiman
2. Bryan Trottier
3. Ron Low
3. The aforementioned “atrocious deals”, plus I’ll add Rozsival to the mix
4. 2 postseason series victories in ten years
Compare this to the real world, and put yourself in Glen’s place. If you were a boss, and had only turned successful results twice in ten years, had hired underlings to supervise your workforce who produced no results, and bought supplies for the business at 2 to 3 times what they are worth, would you still have a job?
Yes, he flipped Gomez for Gaborik, but lets face it, he found someone else dumb enough to pay Scott Gomez all that money, and bail him out of a mistake. There are not enough Bob Gainey’s in the world to correct all the mistakes.
Credit for recent drafting? On paper, sure. But right now, Chris Kreider, Derek Stepan, Evegny Grachev, and Ethan Werek combined have as many goals in a Ranger jersey as I do. When we actually see them perform in the NHL, we can give him the credit he deserves, although the school of thought is that much of that credit goes to Gordie Clark.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the numbering..which clearly shows you were making the list and said to yourself: “Shit, there’s more!”
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, but I was on lunch and I only get an hour
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jessiman is the only bust in the history of high draft picks. Trottier was a mistake that didn’t cost draft picks to correct.
Managers that perform at or below Sather’s level survive and thrive in the real world. But I’m sure you know that.
Bob Gainey put together a team that made made it to the Conference Finals… Darryl Sutter corrected the Kotalik mistake, so apparently there are enough people like Gainey.
So far as the 2 postseason series victories go, he put together teams that earned a spot in the playoffs. He wasn’t on the ice himself to win games, that’s on the players/coach. That they were beaten by better teams shouldn’t take away from what Sather put together.
Trottier not costing draft picks does not lessen the magnitude of what a colossal disaster he was.
Jessiman the only bust in high draft picks? Are you counting second round picks as high draft picks?
Maybe I missed the writeup on the storied careers of Al Montoya (1st round), Lee Falardeau (2nd round 2002), Marc Andre-Cliche (2nd round, 05 I believe), Antoine Lafleur (2nd round 07), and Ivan Baranka.
He wasn’t on the ice to win those games, but isn’t he the one who assembles the team? Hires the coaches?
The only manager that may have performed at or below Sathers level that lasted as long in his job was Bush Jr.
I think you and every other Ranger fan on Earth are just going to have to agree to disagree, but I’ll take a hit off that if you don’t mind.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
My Jessiman comment was clearly sarcastic: “in the history of high draft picks”…. Either way, we can go down lists of draft picks and name busts from the 1st and 2nd rounds from probably most franchises. I’ll let you hop on Wikipedia and do that yourself.
Trottier was a disaster for a half a season. Then removed.
Sather assembled a team that got to the playoffs, when half the GMs of the league had not. What else could he have done, save get on the ice?
“Manager” was not limited to sports in your reference, and neither was it in mine.
I’m not much for hyperbole, so I’m fairly certain that not every other Ranger fan on Earth disagrees with me. Possibly this board, but whatever.
You are the only Ranger fan I have come across that has defended him
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to, but it’s rare to come across someone who throws logical rebuttals for what I say, so I stopped. Generally people say “REDDEN FTW”.
by Dave Shapiro on Jun 9, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and “Redden FTW”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 9, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather might be walking on thin ice
but he actually doesn’t walk on it, he drives a hovercraft.
If he really is gonna go with the youth movement, he’ll sell it to Dooolan and he’ll buy it cuz he’s a dork.
Sather’s in it till he doesn’t wanna be in it.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
game has passed him by .
its not the 80,sno more where he can pull out a coffey or a bill ranford. i dont mind him bringing in free agents but he always seems to bring in the wrong ones ala gomez and drury. it all starts with the young talent in the minors then sprinkle in some vets that fit this team and then we shall see..
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No shock but Sather is clueless!!
I have been searching the internet trying to find Sathers comment from last season. I thought I was missing something but I realized he never spoke to the media after last season either. I’m all for not giving avergae free agents 3 year deals at big money but I do want the team to improve. By doing nothing or just bringing back last years team how are we getting better. Figure Lisin and Voros are gone. Is Brian Boyle gone too? Is Avery gone? If We bring Back Shelley and Prust and Christen. Where is anyone else playing.
2010-2011 lineup projected lineup
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Prust-Boyle-Shelley
Staal-Danny G
MDZ-Rosy
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The only thing u did was replace Jokinen with MZA. How is this team any better? Thats what doesn’t make sense what Sather is saying who is getting replaced in this lineup? Other then MZA what other young guy is going to make this team. Is anyone else concerned?
Hard to go nuts before the draft and FA has even happened. I’ll be concerned if that’s the lineup in September.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear u kid I’m just going by what he said in the Post interview. U want to play kids but have no place to put anyone. Thats all I’m saying. I’m bored LOL!!
Who says Boyle and/or Shelley plays 82 games? Who says Prospal definitely comes back? Who says a trade isn’t made?
I hear you on the boredom..go watch Strasburg-mania. There’s alot of offseason between now and July 1st, let alone October.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Playoff Series Wins
While I would agree that Sather has made a number of dubious signing, I’m curious to know how many other franchises have won more than 2 playoff series in the last 10 years. Where do the Rangers rank compared to other franchises?
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Finals appearances:
Anaheim 2, Calgary, Carolina 2, Chicago, Colorado, Detroit 3, Edmonton, New Jersey 2, Ottawa, Philly, Pittsburgh 2, Tampa. Total Teams: 12
Conf. Finals appearances:
Anaheim 3, Buffalo 2, Calgary, Carolina 3, Chicago 2, Colorado 2, Dallas, Detroit 4, Edmonton, Minnesota, New Jersey 2, Ottawa 2, Philadelphia 3, Pittsburgh 3, San Jose 2, St. Louis, Tampa, Toronto. Total teams: 18
Conf. Semi Final appearances:
Anaheim 4, Boston 2, Buffalo 3, Calgary, Carolina 3 , Chicago 2, Colorado 5, Dallas 3, Detroit 6, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Montreal 4, New Jersey 4, Rangers 2, Ottawa 4, Philadelphia 4, Pittsburgh 4, San Jose 6, St. Louis 2, Tampa 2, Toronto 3, Vancouver 4, Washington. Total teams: 24
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Total Playoff wins
Detroit 15 (2 cups)
Anaheim 10 (1 cup)
Carolina 9 (1 cup)
Colorado 9 (1 cup)
New Jersey 9 (1 cup)
Pittsburgh 9 (1 cup)
Philadelphia 8
San Jose 8
Ottawa 7
Chicago 6
Buffalo 5
Montreal 5
Tampa 5 (1 cup)
Dallas 4
Toronto 4
Vancouver 4
Calgary 3
Edmonton 3
St. Louis 3
Boston 2
Minnesota 2
Rangers 2
Los Angeles 1
Washington 1
Islanders 0
Florida 0
Phoenix 0
Nashville 0
Columbus 0
Atlanta 0
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
As the teacher on South Park would say
“That’s bad mmmmkay”
Especially when you look at the teams they keep company with, except for Washington its mostly the annual bottom feeders of the league.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Heck, just isolate the Atlantic. If not for the FishStix, we’d be a complete joke. Instead we’re just a mild amusement.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice job Smurf…….
Sather is pathetic.
We let Don Maloney get away and he is now GM of the year.
Messier is not the answer…..too emotional to be a good GM.
Our problems are numerous……starting at the bottom and working up.
- Our minor league operations are doing better, good coaching and some hope
- Now we go to the players, the core of this team is not good…..too much dead wood and over paid veterans.
- coaching by intimadation is not working…..when we are trying to get some young talent on the team, we need a coach that can get the most out of a player, not bench them for one bad shift, while veterans go entire weeks playing poorly and still get all their playing time.
- Our GM is downright horrible….not much more can be said.
- We have the worst Ownership in the league…..take a look at how well the Knicks have been doing duriing the same Ten year period….Dolan is an idiot
Not much hope for the next few years and just aiming to make the playoffs is not what I want out of the Rangers…..I want to compete every game…….
Hell, even the Islanders have a brighter future than we do…..they have some solid draft picks…..
I agree pretty much what you said aside from a couple things.
1. You say our core is not good. Well let’s see. Start with Lundqvist. I hear he’s pretty good. How about Marc Staal. A rock on defense. Let’s not forget Dubi, Callahan, AA, MDZ, the new guy MZA, and our 42 goal scorer Gaborik. All pretty damn good players or will be in the case of AA, MDZ and MZA.
2. I can’t speak for the Isles but our future looks to be very exciting. I think Chris Krieder will be an all-star player. Derek Stepan and Evgeny Grachev are going to be top 6 fowards.Then there’s Mcdonagh, Sanguinetti, Byers, Weisse among others.
Say what you want about Sather and it’s all pretty much bad and deservedly so, but our scouting and drafting over the last several years has been very good.
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