Rangers News: Prospal Re-Signs with New York
by Nick Montemagno on Jul 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
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PrintIn what is probably the last signing of the day for the New York Rangers, forward Vinny Prospal has received a contract extension for one year worth $1 million, but the veteran will earn $1.1 million in achievable bonuses as well. Prospal, age 35, finished second in scoring behind Marian Gaborik on the Blueshirts last season with 20 goals and 38 assists for a total of 58 points in 75 games played. The re-signing of Vinny was a move I felt the Rangers would be very wise to make.
Prospal was one of the very few players who clicked with Marian Gaborik and he did so while playing on both the wing and at center. That most likely was a key factor in the decision by Ranger brass to re-up the Czech Republic native. The only thing you have to worry about is injuries since he did have knee surgery last winter. It did not seem to affect him for the remainder of the season, though.
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DarrenDreger Jokinen’s agent says Sutter called soon after free agency opened. Sutter also spoke to Jokinen and told Olli he shouldn’t have traded him.
this story keeps getting funnier.
LMAO! Great replies from all three of you.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutter: "Olli come back...
…any kind of fool could see…there was something…in everything about you…"
Real_ESPNLeBrun: RT @AnaheimDucks: Ducks sign Saku Koivu to two-year contract. Details to come.
This is quite shocking to me.
Real_ESPNLeBrun $5 M over two years for Koivu in Ana. $2.5 a year
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
wow never thought 2 boogaard's would cost more the koivu
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well that’s not fair and I hate the boogey deal.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see the point in hanging onto Prust now. He and Boogaard fill the same role, except Prust could contribute offensively. Now, with what Boogaard is getting paid, paying Prust seems silly…
how about keep prust and eliminate the other. they probably end up being the wings on the 4th line and byers gets screwed again.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
prust isn’t a goon, hi energy good 4 check
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Prust is a great third line player, Boo is a 5th line guy
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ll go with great 4th, good 3rd on Prust, but significantly better.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Prust will be see some significant penalty kill time this season. Torts started to use him there last season because he’s got some speed and is all about hustle.
Prust is good enough to be a 3rd line player. He’s not a goon. He can play. But he’ll also fight anything and anyone.
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I know, I’m just trying to counter-argue PowerForward that we should get rid of Prust. Prust can do much more and will fight.
I know. I was replying to Powerfoward
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Prospal was worth at least 3 mil on the open market
if joker got 3 mil, armstong got 3 mil, vinny easily could have gotten more elsewhere, so Sather saved at least 1 mil back that he overpaid boogie
stop trying to justify the Boogaard deal. just stop.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
wining about it incesantly will not change the fact he is here. He can easily be buried in the minors if need be
so…deal with it and hope the guy plays well
so…deal with it and hope the guy plays well
b/c his entire career output says this will not happen.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
u really don't understand
it sends a message 2 the ther players it is bad news
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
vinny is getting 3 mil. 2.1 from us and 1.16 from tampa (from his buyout)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so sather didnt save us anything. and to talk about saving us 1 mil over 1 year vs over paying 3 mil over 4 years doesnt equal out.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone says Dru is over paid by about 3 mil a year. Which means he is paid 175% of his worth.
Boogey probably worth 825K which means he is paid 200% of his worth. people focus on the big contracts but the bloated little ones hurt just as much.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Dru's cap hit is 7mil so he is 233% of his worth
but he isn’t going anywhere, so why dwell?
i said overpaid by 3 mil not worth 3. 4 vs 7.05
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he is worth at best 3 million
he puts up Colby Armstrong numbers
he did last year but when he signed he was Lombardi who will get 4.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
but it’s money that didn’t need to be spent anyway
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the kind of money that can be used to give to a player like Staal to get him signed. While not a lot at 1.6, it could wind up having a huge impact on this team.
or even say the 800K difference b/w what he got and what he should have got.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Still nothing on Kovalchuck? Strange.
Would have thought someone would spend on him before filling the roster.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
i wonder if the isles would take the leap there.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They definately have the cap space
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Real_ESPNLeBrun: First beer has been cracked. Now looking into Kovalchuk
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t they need a rink?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
meant this one:
adater:
It’s Kovy and Kings only now, top NHLer telling me
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If things are so bad today
imagine being a SD Chargers fan and finding out you just drafted Ryan Leaf with your #1 pick, ahead of Peyton manning and gave him all that guaranteed money
is this an alternate reality cause Manning went 1 and Leaf went 2, didnt he?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you fail at Football any harder?
Imagine being the one responsible for such a horribly wrong post.
How do you look staal in the eye and go, i think your worth 3.5 and not the 4 you want when you just gave boogey that money?
wait has it been said he only wants 4???
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if he is using Jordan’s 4/16 as a bar of sorts.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s a matter of .5m and Sather’s quibbling over it….I have no hope for the man, or this team with him running it.
he quibbled with EC over 75K, then paid him 200K more cause EC was hitting the market.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun Just hung up phone with Dean Lombardi. Asked him if he was closing in on Kovalchuk, ``No." Asked if he’s still in the mix, ``Not sure.’’
as long as he goes west or khl no bearing on me
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if KHL money will tempt either Frolov or Kovy. NHL teams seem to be balking at their asking price.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
KHL here he comes!!
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Real_ESPNLeBrun Still think Kings is number one destination for Kovalchuk but they’re not giving him the bank… Devils still in too
If he gets down to Redden money i would jump in. or a Hossa type contract.
“Redden Money” LOL, is that like Monopoly money?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
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by Nick Montemagno on Jul 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade those cheap purples right after “GO” for Redden
I’d even throw in a railroad
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
but seriously if you get him to do a frontloaded deal with lots of BS years on the end where you know he would leave and go to the KHL for another payday?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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Good, we want lots of calls tonight. We will stay on until everyone has their say, even if we have to go to podcast for 2 extra hours
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i listened until it went off how do i listen 2 podcast??
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the podcast is usually available about a half hour after we sign off. We stayed on for an extra half hour last night. If you go to the radio page, you can download the show, listen to it on your Mp3 player or computer, play it on Windows Media Player, and then skip to the 2 hour mark, after that you will hear what goes on after the show stops streaming, its usually pretty comical.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 1, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
whenever, it’s now like any other day.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks, tsn cut off their live chat, so i wasn’t sure.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well they were at it for 6 hrs, so i guess they dont have our stamina. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather’s reactions to all of the signings will be available shortly as our boy Andrew Gross just jumped on a conference call with him. I am anxious to hear an explanation for Boogaard.
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Think we’ll escape with only one assinine bizarro move? Aside from the Boogaard brainfart, no major improvement, but no major damage..
if we arent going to get better or contend stop signing old guys and let the kids play.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree, i am asking,
if you were the GM, who would you lose to promote youth?
i could have left off prospal, ec, boogey. let byers come up. let grachev and step play.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I don’t think grachev and Stepan are ready quite yet, maybe mid season call ups? Byers or Weise could make a go from day 1
and where do you put any of them
gabby, dubi, ec, cally, aves, dru, aa, prust, goon, boyle,voros probably mza
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
AGrossRecord #NYRangers GM Glen Sather said he didn’t want to give Jody Shelley 3 years, which is what Shelley wanted.
AGrossRecord #NYRangers GM Glen Sather calls Derek Boogaard “the biggest and the toughest.”
he forgot highest paid
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
will boogey get neil’s 10 goals combined over these 4 years?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Best 1st passer in the game speech all over again.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT HE WANTS TO GIVE BOOGAARD 4? WTF?!
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by Nick Montemagno on Jul 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
which i understand over 35
but boogaard 4 4 is bad
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
TheProkhorov The Prokhorov would like to offer Megan Fox “max money” to become newest net cheerleader #da!
hahaha
pronger’s extension, the contract still wouldnt start til he was 35
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
what your thinking of is if he is still on the team in the 2nd year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
o mabey im wrong but i thouight
if the player turns 35 during the 2nd year the whole thing counts
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
no if a player signs a 35+ for multiple years after the start of year 2 it counts regardless of what you do with the player.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
wyshynski: Making terms public? Curious. RT @AnaheimDucks Murray on Bobby Ryan: “We increased our offer yesterday … five years at $5 mil. a year.”
to save face. apparently ryan wants less years.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
AGROSSRECORD:
GM Glen Sather says #NYRangers targeted backup G Marty Biron “right from the beginning.” Says goalie coach Benoit Allaire really likes him.
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AGrossRecord #NYRangers GM Glen Sather says team not necessarily done with UFAs. Cap room left to sign RFA D Marc Staal and Dan Girardi.
AGrossRecord #NYRangers GM Glen Sather confident there are enough roster spots left for team to get younger next season.
oh really?
how is there a sather rule that allows us 2 carry 32 players??
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if Staal gets done, they can’t have room for Girardi if DG’s really asking for $3m.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
redden goes and McD signs is the best hope there. still where is there room up front for youth
dubi-ec-gabby
aves-dru-cally
prust-aa-mza?
boogey-boyle-voros?
did i forget anyone?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Demote the entire 4th line?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
so they play 5 min a night, stay in hartford
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if you had talent on the 4th line, they’ll play more than 5. AA-Prust-Shelley were getting 9-10 down the stretch.
Byers, Dupont, Weise…none of them need more than 10. There’s no room for Grachev/Stepan though, if that’s what you’re thinking.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what i was talking about yes, let them play 20, the others 8 is fine.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
right prospal goes up, prust to 4th line, voros press box.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
voros has lost his press box credentials
the peoples champ will sit with the people
they did waive Voros, so maybe Wiese for Voros, but still 4th line 5 min/game. WooHoo. Youth!
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but AA was most productive when he had 2 corner guys fightin 4 the puck him and mza prob on different lines i would think
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasnt really making lines just guessing at people, more just structured for positions in my head.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
CAP Geek has 8.6 millsion left to sign Staal and Girardi
of course you probably need 1 million of that for call ups or Hartford folk
Yeah, with only Voros, Prospa and Brashear off the books next year…and having to re-sign Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, and maybe Gilroy.
Yeah…we’re fucked.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and what if the cap actually goes down?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Boyle comes off too. I doubt the Rangers tender him an offer.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends what kind of year he has. If AA gets to, say, 40 points this year, he’s going to want somewhere around Dubi-Cally money….which is a ~$1m raise.
So between Dubi/Cally/AA, you’re talking probably $3m extra in a best case, and maybe up to $5m depending on their seasons.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so that’s 11.5 mil really to sign the 3 of them and bring up 3-4 kids?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think Torts will start scratching Boogaard half way too. He’s no better than Brashear.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As I thought about it on the drive home, I’d be amazed if Boogaard doesn’t just start the season scratched.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he will give him a chance, but a short leash.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
where’s he go? this is why bringing back old guys just to pretend to contend is a waste.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, once again..if you don’t sign the Oaf, you can 4th line Prust and put MZA with Avery/AA
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yea sure, but he’s the biggest and the toughest.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
which should be the new tagline for the banter.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s say he goes in for prust, weise/byers stay in hartford. is that a youth movement?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No, and it’s actually a worse team than last year because of Booger.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine how bad this team will be if Gabby gets hurt? They’ll be a complete joke…even worse than now.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I won’t outright say it….but this is a good year for him to find himself unavailable, if we considered unavailability an inevitability.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boyle is no guaranty to make the squad
He is OK penalty kill, but his face offs suck a big one
Demote or bench him, put in weise/byers
Drury would be the 4th liner
as a reward for his outstanding goal scoring
Best on the team in terms of per ice time at 5v5, aside from Gaborik.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
scary part is
that might very well be the case. a 6.whatever million dollar 4th line center… Only in NY.
Way to go Glen!
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
calling up a 4th liner does not count as changing this team, sorry.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
prospal ec gabby
dubi aa cally
avery drury mza
byers boyle prust
boogey
staal mza
roszival girardi
gilroy redden
most likely that i guess..
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
i think u meant mdz on D unless the hobbit multi-tasks. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam Burish signs for 69% of a Boogaard, at 25% of the years.
I shall now refer to all contracts in relation to him.
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The Boogaard — a versatile unit of measurement for both time and money, as well as absurdity.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets refer to all f-ups this season as Boogards
How many Boogards will Redden have?
yea
is sather gone bogaard staal’s contract talks
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogard is a unit of measure. Redden makes $4Boog.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AGrossRecord New #NYRangers enforcer Derek Boogaard: “To be able to play with Gabby again was definitely a push to be out in New York.”
yea not being massively overpaid.
had nothing 2 do with the 6.6 million douche
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they should pay him in douches? 6.6 million douches?
I doubt that would count against the cap
considering he plays with Gabby about as mush as I do, how about just buying a ticket or getting Center Ice like the rest of us.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and played well for Van last year, still young.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
thenyrangers Biron on playing behind Henrik Lundqvist with #NYR: “I am planning on being the best insurance policy in the league”
is it douche quote day?
idk i feel hedberg is about as good as biron r vise virsa hed got what lke 650 more??
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
id rather have ellis or mason personally, but with Torts it wont matter, hank plays 70
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
CJ needs to play every day in Hartford
I think he is better than Biron now though
for 2 more years. 1 i could see, but not 2.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could understand if Biron only wanted 2, or it could be Sather lost faith after he let in his first shot.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If CJ is ready in a year, they can always trade Biron, low cap number will make it friendly to almost anyone
Knowing Sather
he’ll trade CJ when he’s ready instead
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Biron’s an upgrade over CJ. Hedberg is not. Again..Hedberg before last year was below 90% sv% for his career.
We hold Moose in high regard because he kills us, but he’s not all that talented.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
reporterchris: #coyotes GM Don Maloney on Lee Stempniak negotiations: “I made him a low offer.” Says he’s not sure what market is for him.
Stempniak is worth about .8 Boogaards.
he was phenomenal for phx after the trade.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but all he does is score goals, not fight. Who needs scoring?
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
thenyrangers
Biron: “I think it’s not only fair 2 me, but 2 everybody, that I come in & want to play & want 2 play hard..push Hank…make us both better”
u will not touch hank pal thats what boogaard is 4
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
For those curious..
Boogaard averages 0.41 PIM per minute of ice time over his career.
The 5 year career, where he has amassed 1310:52 minutes of ice time.
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been waiting all day for that stat, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard enough to follow threads and twitter, while actually trying to be remotely productive at work. Couldn’t run numbers til now.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
great, we all know how well that worked out.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Purinton: 0.27 PIM per minute of ice time. Booger is 50% worse.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re completely discounting his 1 GWG. He’s Clutch!
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
foster got 1.8 woth almost 50 points last year
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 3 times Boogers career point total.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
reporterchris: #coyotes GM Don Maloney said Matthew Lombardi’s contract demands are “off the charts.”
At least 2.5 Boogs
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
he could get 3 boog’s malhotra got 1.5 boogs.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
even worse
CraigCustance: Maloney on Lombardi negotiations: “What he was looking for from us was off the charts and that was the hometown discount.”
stevezipay Why Boogaard? Sather: “Too many times last year when I saw guys scraping snow into Henrik’s face…won’t see that happen any longer”
wait ive figured out the master plan boogard is going to play D and his only job is stand in front of hank for all 60 min, they might even get him a chair.
The chair might improve his skating.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
love this logic considering the guys snowing Hank aren’t the one Boogaard will be fighting. Brilliant!!
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention w the 3 min he will “skate” who is he going to stop from doing it?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, what’s 1.65/40-50 games at 3 mins a game. about $12000 a minute to play.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW..what an awful excuse for paying someone 1.6m
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So Hank get’s snowed, and then we send Boogard out to try to fight their enforcer. But he’s so big no one is going to want to fight him.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
like when they ducked shelley to fight prust
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Hitch in Ryan negotiations, BTW, is that he wants three-year deal and Ducks want 4 or 5. Ducks have offered $5M per year but want term
It’s more about the years. He wants to become and UFA sooner. He must think he’s worth 5+M on the open market in the future. Risky.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on what age he signed his first contract.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesnt need to in arb, just an offer sheet.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
…but nothing, he’s worth at least $3.1 Boogs
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
thenyrangers Sather also says that RFA defensemen Marc Staal and Dan Girardi are priorities and is confident they will get signed by team
then why wasnt it done before July 1, Glen?
b/c we had to work their contracts around the enforcer contract. Duh!
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, defense if over-rated. You just have to beat them up after they score, so they are scared to score.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
and so you give them a pp to get another goal.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, there’s some percentage that believes this is how hockey does work.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He had to figure out how much to overpay others first, so he knew what was left over.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys...
While I freely admit he is grossly overpaid, I am not as pissed about Boogaard as I was when they signed Brashear last year.
Here. copy & paste this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMkRAL2pDw0&feature=related
We can look forward to this at least 6 times a year.
i just wish he got like 800k or sumthing
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
it better not effect Staal (or Prust for that matter) getting signed/being happy in NY.
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
well i think i herd 8mil cap space
or close even if they are both signed there isn’t enough money coming off at the end off the season to give dubi cal and AA any kind of raise
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope your right but...
who do we really have to trade?
obviously Rozi.
Boyle?
Girardi’s rights?
Dubi?
Avery?
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting who u included and who u didnt.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
CALLY!!
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Girardi seems a likely candidate, as Sather’s vague “there is room for youth” almost had to imply defensively given what he did to our “offense.”
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fine with that, but Gilroy, MDZ, and a prospect kind of scares me a little. We could use a little experience.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure tie domi and nick fotiu are pissed.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
by my calculation we have 11 mil in space w 17 contracts (after sending brash, rissmiller, voros down)
prust, girardi, staal what 8 mil?
i saw prust was qualified not that he accepted.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think rissmiller’s contract is included in the Capgeek capspace number.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, but voros and brash were i believe.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
staal = 4, girardi =3, prust =1, get it done glen.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
well with those numbers redden has 2 go
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta believe
Redden is gone to AHL. If not this season definitely next. w/ AA, Dubi & Calli all due new contracts…
Wishful thinking etc…
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no cause they sent him down last year in year 1 of the deal. they still have to pay him, but no cap hit
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
According to capgeek, current space is 8,615,833.
Voros at 1M, but Brashear would stay on, no?
So, 9, 615,833 to sign Staal, Girardi, Prust?
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
need some space
for midseason call u[ps for injuroes or wehn they flu bug hits, 1 mil to be safe
i just said no which is why cap geek says 11 mil. but without it how do you play MZA and his 1.75 hit?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Brashears counts against th ecap even if he is in Hartford again
because of his age (over 35 contract)
is this stil
with redden on the team or in the ahl
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero problem with signing Boogaard. If we HAD to lose Shelley, at least we brought in someone younger, bigger, and meaner. I would have preferred to keep Shelley, but this is the next best thing. And I do not worry about him being so-called “overpaid” when there are guys like Drury and Redden, who TRULY ARE overpaid.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
C'mon Glen!
Hire us!
I can be your personal cigar clipper
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Drury gives you defense and in a down year still gave you 2.5x Boogers career points.
Redden, while hated, the team still allowed less than 2 goals per 60 while he was on the ice.
Booger…does nothing.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
this is what i can't understand
how did redden have a postive plus minus???
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard is not here to put up points, comparing his point output against a regular player shows a lack of understanding about who he is and what he does. Please try and understand that hockey is not all about stats …. you’ve made several posts like this one and in my eyes you have no clue what you are talking about.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
RangerSmurf has no clue what he’s talking about? I’ve learned more about the cap/stats/structure from Smurf and Leetch in my half-year here than anywhere.
Seriously, you’re pissing on yourself here.
saying Boogaard is nothing pointwise compared to Drury is imbecilic. They do two different roles, not comparable. I don’t give a crap about any stats as it refers to that kind of comparison, its stupid and serves no purpose.
How many fights did Drury have? Boogaard had 9 or 10. So Drury doesn’t match up to Boogaard in terms of toughness. See how DUMB stats can be? They are not the do-all and end-all and should not be considered so. That’s all.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
you do realize they just paid a guys 1.67M year for 5 min of icetime/game. And we’re the ones who have no clue?
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
there can be no cost too high spent on protecting your team’s players. You’re worried about how much money he’s being paid, as opposed to what he does on the ice. Another foolish statement by someone who hasn’t a clue.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess Drury’s shot blocking and PK’ing don’t do anything for ya?
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i just think with a salary cap everyone needs 2 contribute a goon is nice but just being a goon in its self is not enough not for 1.65 mill
just a goon for 600k i guess if u need it
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand quite well what Boogaard is “supposed” to do.
This idea that grown men care about a guy that can’t skate, pass, or shoot is funny. The only thing they’re worried about with him is that he might cheap shot them out of their careers. So yeah, I guess that’s worth $1.6m.
Of course, the goal of hockey is to score goals. It’s not to win fights, it’s not to be intimidating, it’s to score goals. To score goals, you need to be able to move the puck in the direction of the opposing net and generate shots. Boogaard has shown zero ability to do that in the 5 years he was in Minnesota. Zero.
This isn’t 80’s hockey where it’s a free for all out there. In a cap era, you better bring something to the table other than fighting, especially if you’re going to be paid $1.6m.
His contract is a waste, plain and simple.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wait until you see Boogaard forechecking in the offensive zone and he just destroys the defenseman against the boards, you’ll understand just how intimidatingly large and fierce Boogaard is.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Assuming the team can get in the offensive zone while he’s out there.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just did this on CapGeek
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.650m) / Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
Brandon Prust ($1.000m) / Erik Christensen ($0.975m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m)
Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Marc Staal ($4.000m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.947m; CAP ROOM: $1.616m BONUSES: $2.163m
what a bonus cushion its not a hard cap??
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it deals with prospal’s contract. Capgeek takes the bonuses and applies them to this year. However, I don’t think they actually apply until next year.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So no new kids make the team basiclaly
"Malik now." "6 foot 6, 238, not a noted goal scorer but he's gonna give it a shot here." "Malik has not scored this year. In on Kolzig, faked it....SCORES"
i’m assuming Staal = 4, Girardi = 3, Prust = 1. But yeah, the team is going to be up against the cap.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we traded the hobbit for booger in cap money basically.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s the brashear cap thing
http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2010/2/13/1308707/cap-misinformation
seems to think that because he went down last year if we never bring him up this year, which by waiving him the other day we set up then he wont hit our cap.
still too tight and the hobbit and his 1.75 no room.
although db says:
“Since Brashear is in the 1st year of a multi-year SPC, his entire cap hit is removed when he is sent to the AHL this year.
If this were next year – since he would be in the 2nd year of the contract – only $100k would be removed from the cap hit."
damn CBA! why are you so confusing!!
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger
A ton of interest in Chris Higgins. Could happen tonight. Some of the teams interested are trying to make moves to make room for him.
bet he is cheaper than booger.
alll you stat freaks can say and think what you want, that’s why you’ll never run any hockey team.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
are you just trying to piss everyone off now?
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, because who cares what a bunch of fantasy-owners think …. stats are not the be-all and end-all of hockey teams, and anyone who can’t see that is not worthy of my efforts.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, it’s who ever wins the most fights.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re right. quality hockey players are. and the team (MINN) that saw Boogaard play the most and EDM (the other team in the running) scoffed at the money the Rangers threw at him. Called it “silly” actually.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never played fantasy hockey, thanks.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the signing of Boogaard and I really don’t care what any nay-sayers who quote stats like they are the bible think.
I’ve been following hockey for 40 years so I really don’t care what younger people who have not seen things say or think. Its that simple. Go ahead and bash all you want, surely thats all you are good for.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
So, when the playoffs come and guys like Shelley, Boogaard, Cote, etc are benched for guys who can skate, exactly what value does fighting have again?
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And we’re imbecilic?
You’ve decided to close your mind to anything that people might say that contradicts the opinion you have because ’you’ve watched hockey for 40 years.’
Congratulations, at some point in my life I’ll hit 40 years too, and I assure you I won’t sit here and bash people who have taken the time to study the roles of players and how their cap numbers effect the bottom line…winning games.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m glad we signed someone big and mean, and if he’s overpaid, WHO CARES? he’s protecting my team now and i’m fine with it.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
maybe you’ll care if it’s the reason one of your top 3 d-men can’t be resigned cause he was overpaid, but maybe not.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The new advanced stats are too tough for his abacus to handle.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and no stat-geek computer printout is going to change my viewpoint on this ONE BIT.
And mleetch maybe so, but has that happened? No. Maybe the world will end too, guess i’d better sit and wait for it in case it happens.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
a little bit here a little bit there
and you got the rangers cap situation atleast other teams against the cap are contenders
go look at other team’s players. the money is spread out ours, we couldn’t move someone if our life depended on it
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
with Shelley and Boogaard and LeBlond and Godard in the division now, who will protect the Islanders? lol
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Nobody, which is why Boogaard will go out and decapitate Tavares, then kick Nino in the teeth with his skate, and then go kill DiPietro if he isn’t on IR by then.
better hope Boogard plays them in the preseason then…maybe even a visit to Islander training camp
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I Believe In Chris Drury
I hear the Isles are looking to sign Tim ‘Dr. Hook’ McCracken
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
stats are for geeks who never played. Anyone can make any stats fit their viewpoint and as such are pretty useless. I do not pray to stats. Only wins and losses.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
I played hockey for 20 years. More close-minded arguments.
Also, wins is a stat. It’s determined by scoring goals. Boogaard doesn’t help you score goals.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you John Sterling? Baseball’s so unpredictable. I’m not a fan of stats, but let me give you one stat that proves my point about unpredictability.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and i’m confident that at least we do now have a top enforcer. That’s my view.
Now to re-sign Staal and Girardi.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
Good luck, you waste $1m in cap space to get a big useless guy, so the money for Girardi is going to be tight at best.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
then it will be girardi’s fault for being greedy, wake up smurf.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Or for not hitting things.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, if he had fought carcillo sather wouldnt have done this
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that is too big for anyone else to fight.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
unless the world stops spinning.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Smurf, whatever, we disagree obviously. But I think your stats-first views are nearsighted. I guess we will just keep disagreeing. Whatever dude.
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
i like boogaard and i even like drury
just not at their cap numbers
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And I believe your “my opinion is all I care about” myopic viewpoint is subjective and has no basis in reality.
Yes, we will continue to disagree. But there’s disagreeing, and there’s belittling people who are trying to look at the game analytically to see if we can prove that what we see is actually what is happening.
I don’t mind debating…but I’m not going to argue with someone who has no room to budge.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
your stats say something so obviously you must be right. yawn
"Jim, that Durbano's been kicked out of every league he's ever been in" -- Bill "The Big Whistle" Chadwick (Rest In Peace) From the good ol' days of the NHL
by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
You stated an opinion with no way to confirm it, so you must be right, yawn.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
NHLSourcesSay Bill Guerin in talks with Penguins and Rangers.
all part of that youth movement and i love guerin
wow
no way this report must b a mistake
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He seemed to be a good fit in Pitts. Don’t really want him here though.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he is…good for a contender, excellent leader, but not here
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much, unless it’s a 1 year deal and they’ll completely set on NONE of the kids having any chance of making the big club. Which I find hard to believe.
maybe we are stockpiling trade deadline chips (Prospal, Guerin, Rozi)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Then have some ‘strategic losses’ to teams needing to make the playoffs that have prospects we want, trade them some veteran firepower….this has promise.
and i would believe it if we had sold something last year, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you could have at the start of last season. But after what he’s shown, I like him. And if we didn’t get Vinny, or Demitra, I wouldn’t mind Guerin.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Booooooooo!!!
As soon as Boogaard beats the piss out of Shelley, Goddard, and anyone else the whole Garden will go Booooooooo! Hey wait maybe he will beat the piss out of Slats? Early Christmas wish.
by Rangers fan in Tampa on Jul 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
well we could always trade or dump gilroy in the minors
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we try him on a wing before we do that.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 1, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i no he is a rookie but i was hoping 2 be a bit more impressed by gilroy
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he got a bit of a scoring touch if im not mistaking
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
11 goals last year, but he’s basically a single digit guy.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Staal
realistically, Staal isn’t going to get that $4Mill figure. He has no bargaining chips and no right to arbitration. He’s gunna get low balled & there will be enough left over to sign Girardi, Prust & him.
I love how Torts preached about changing the dynamic in the locker room and getting younger. The only changes are Shelly/Boogard & MZA/Voros.
I feel like I’m reading 1984 with the double speak from this organization.
he apparently turned down 4/14. he always has a team with cap space giving him a sheet.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
as for MZA 1.75 mil needed in cap space for him to be on the club, that’s tight.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yea if u nickel n dime him now
then
a he wont sign a long term deal and
b when he does have leavrage he will want a lot of money or just out right leave
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think there's a trade brewing...
Or else Sather and big audio have the same dealer (And he’s got the good shit.).
im thinking big money deal that forces redden to be Hartford’d
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I’ve learned two new terms today…
Boogarded & Hartford’d
LOL
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
then who would replace redden?
which prospect or like a 600k vet??
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully McD, but after this why come here, ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Sather’s big on McD:
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/comments/sather_biron_and_boogaard_on_the_line/
I don’t see how Kreider’s gonna make it into the lineup though…
Sather’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. His idea of leaving space for youth is 1 spot on offense and 1 on defense each year.
In 2 years I was hoping McIlrath would fill the enforcer role for peanuts. 1.6 for 4. I still can’t believe it. And our 1st round pick on a future enforcer. And the Islanders got all the picks I wanted. And the Devils got Volchenkov. Calgon, take me away…
dont forget Pitt getting Martin and Michalek, Philly getting Mez.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
our division got better and
we got boogaard
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
adater: Checking out Calgary message boards, top traffic post is “Sutter has lost it” over 36,000 visits
And just think, Jokes was sign for just 2 years at 1.4M more per year than Boogaard. And Jokes is going to put up 50pts at least.
how about tanguay for same money and 3 years less.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
being analytical is fine and all, but its all about what happens out on the ice, and having Boogaard there will do more good for the team than his salary number. Nobody cares who makes what when you are on the ice. nobody cares what your stats are when you are on the ice. That’s my whole point. Stats are helpful when unbiased, but out on the ice players don’t check their stats before doing something. And for me, I like players who give their all and don’t care what their stats are going to look like once broken down. I do not trust stats to tell the whole story about a player because they simply do not. Intangibles and heart and desire have zero to do what any stat. I’ve said all i’m going to say about that.
I like the signing since we lost Shelley and needed someone. Personally, i’d rather overpay for protection than overpay for defensemen and blocked shots.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
mabey your
right in short term but i feel it will b difficult in contract talks not giving other players a lot more then that long term
by sathers cigar on Jul 1, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you very well might be right about that ...
but that’s not something we need to worry about TODAY. Sather has shown he can make moves regardless of the situation he is in, and any long-term deals this organization might make will obviously have to take not only that but many other factors into their decisions. Signing an enforcer to a generous contract is hardly this organization’s biggest worry or blunder.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
having Boogaard there will do more good for the team than his salary number.
And that’s where you derail. In the salary cap era, the number is everything to a team. Chicago won because they had a team of guys overplaying their salary number. Boogaard cannot overplay his number. It’s not possible with the limited ice time he gets, and the lack of offense or defense he provides.
G-A-Pts and +/-, the “boxscore” stats do not tell the story, I 100% agree with that statement. There are many, many stats that hide behind those numbers that fill in alot of those gaps, and there are more by the day.
For instance…more and more we’re seeing that blocked shots is highly overrated. Blocked shots mean you’re in your own end too much…and obviously run higher risks at allowing goals if you spend too much time in your own zone.
At the same time…there are measures now of how often you spend time in your own zone, and how productive you are in the offensive zone. And I’ll assure you, Boogaard’s are not pretty.
Shelley is really a much, much better playing than Boogaard. To pay more for less production is atrocious, even if you see them being effectively the same.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about....
“Shelley is really a much, much better playing than Boogaard.” … I never wanted to lose Shelley. But Ssather didn’t want to give him the length of contract he wanted, so he let Shelley go. I disagree with this decision but Sather made it. And to make sure they had an enforcer, he went and got another one, younger, bigger, and meaner. And yes, he gave a little too generous a salary. But at least he filled a need with someone who has proven he can fill the basic needs an enforcer can fill. He’s no Shelly in terms of his playmaking, I totally agree. But Boogaard can forecheck, and hit people. And hit them hard. As for the slight overpayment, if that 500K breaks this team’s bank/cap, that’s a different issue and cannot be blamed on Boogaard getting a little extra.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Should say “player” not “playing,” but I do that alot when I type fast and have lots of thoughts too quickly.
Anyhow…no, 500k doesn’t seem like a lot when you compare it to Redden, Dru, and Rozsival. But it’s not a justification for doing it. “Well we overpaid 3 guys, who cares if we do it again?” is what keeps leading this team down the path towards the bottom. That was the same attitude last year that brought us Brashear and Kotalik.
We thought maybe Sather turned around this year…Biron for 875k is a steal, as is EC for 950K and Prospal for 2.1. So sure, he ‘wasted’ those saving on Boogaard, and you’re ok with that. That’s fine by me.
I happen to vehemently disagree, because we signed a player that is below replacement level in hockey skills, and fills a role that might very well be outdated in 4 years (there’s not alot of guys racking up PIMs and fights these days that can’t at least provide something offensively or defensively). That’s my opinion, I just happen to use numbers to express it, because numbers help to better explain the story, as they’re tangible.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying
And I am not totally against every point you made. But stats do not mean everything to me nor should they. And I am not going to quibble over paying a little bit extra for someone to fill a role that is not easy to fill but is every bit as important to my way of thinking as any role on the team. Bitching about overpaying an eofrcer when you overpay practiclaly everybody else on the team, it sounds kind of petty to me. I personally think overpaying Redden and Drury to name 2 is far worse for this team’s structure than overpaying a little for on-ice protection. I have no numbers to back that up with and no numbers can truly show that kind of value/worth a player has.
Did you expect Shelley to put up points when we got him? I doubt it, nobody did. I certainly didn’t, and I was gung-ho in my exuberance of obtaining Shelley when it first happened.
We won’t know what Boogaard’s impact will be until the games begin, so any criticism of his cap number is just criticism based on other factors that simply are not as important as what happens out on the ice.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you expect Shelley to put up points when we got him?
Production for me means shots…if you’re generating more shots than your opponent, you stand to win more often than not. Maybe not in a single game, but over the course of a year, shots are what lead to goals, and thus wins. Generating shots also mean you’re not allowing shots against, which obviously reduces the chance you get scored on, again leading to wins.
So…to that end I didn’t investigate Shelley that closely. I will say that I don’t believe 6 pts in 21 games was what Shelley would do here, nor what he would do had we resigned him. That line though, Prust-AA-Shelley, was quite good at keeping the puck moving in the right direction, and it probably could’ve continued.
As for the rest, where we diverge, as I do with most, is on the value of having an enforcer. Toughness is one thing, but guys whose only role is fighting, to me, have no business getting a contract in the cap era. To me, he’s overpaid by more than $500k, he’s overpaid by $1.65m.
Old school hockey fans like yourself usually defend the need, as 80’s and 90’s hockey had at least one of those guys per team, and hockey would sometimes be a free-for-all.
These days, your toughness has to come from your role players….on Chicago that meant Eager or Bolland…for Philly, Carcillo, Hartnell, Asham. For us it can come from a Prust or maybe one of the kids, like Byers. Not heavyweights by any means…but guys that won’t back down, and still give you 10-20 points, which compared to a Booger or Orr is alot.
It’s a disagreement that won’t be resolved between us though, and that’s fine. There’s always room for differences in opinions, even for us stat-geeks.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
shots? wow. I didn’t ever think that shots were the most important thing a player can bring to the game. HIS ROLE IS NOT TO SHOOT THE PUCK. It’s like comparing a pitcher to a hitter.
As for me being “old school” as it were, you cannot take fighting out of hockey, because then it isn’t hockey. Intimidation is as old as the game itself, and is a very important factor of the game. You disagree with that, that’s your opinion and that’s fine by me, but it is still a factor no matter if people choose to ignore it or go in a different direction in terms of playing the game and the makeup of a team. Intimidation is a factor and should never be underestimated. Until they remove it from the rules, to disregard it or demean its importance is simply not very smart in my view.
its OK that we disagree, but no stat you or anyone can quote me will change my viewpoint that intimidation is a very important facet of hockey that must be addressed by any team looking to play professional ice hockey.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
shots? wow. I didn’t ever think that shots were the most important thing a player can bring to the game. HIS ROLE IS NOT TO SHOOT THE PUCK.
Not him individually, the team while he’s on the ice. If he’s really having this impact by hitting and forechecking..that should manifest itself in the team being able to get opportunities to shoot while he’s out there.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And also..if the forecheck is successful, the team shouldn’t be allowing shots at the other end. That’s how shot rates are considered productive, and how they in large part take into account an ability to forecheck.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
As for me being "old school" as it were, you cannot take fighting out of hockey, because then it isn’t hockey.
I also never said to take fighting out of hockey. Hockey without fighting would probably lead to a death on the ice by stick injury or some other frustration inducing act. If nothing else, that’s why fighting needs to be in, it’s a chippy game when emotions run high.
I merely said that your fighters have to bring something else to the table these days besides fighting. Dubinsky fights, Prust fights, Avery fights. That’s all I’m saying.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right that his job isn't to shoot the puck
it’s to help the team win. And as RangerSmurf pointed out, the way to win is to score more goals than your opponent, most easily done by taking more shots. Boogaard doesn’t help us take more shots than the other team, and as such, does absolutely nothing to help the team win. (Granted, I agree with RS that enforcers are completely useless in today’s NHL. Maybe you think Gaborik will score more with Booger on the team, in which case he’s worth some money. I just doubt that effect will occur.)
by yellomellojello on Jul 2, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Everybody needs to step off the ledge here. Boogard is making about half a mill too much. When you goy guys like Redden making 6.5 million too much and Drury making 7 million too much the Boogard deal is a drop of piss in the ocean.
Sather can still redeem himself by dumping Rosi and burying Redden in Siberia somewhere.
scary part is..
he has made no indication of doing so (by not signing an FA defenseman).
Unless as stated above
A) a trade is brewing
or
B) Gilroy/McDonagh are your replacements
by Mike_from_NNJ on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s play this out though. Redden, Drury and company’s deals are what put this team (cap wise) in forclosure and overpaying this dude like this is like having your house in forclosure and buying a Jaguar
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Drury is probably making around 3-4 mil too much, Redden 4-4.5
Boogard is making 1.6M too much, and is a complete waste of a roster spot at the same time. At least Drury and Redden are (moderately) competent hockey players. Boogaard is a boxer masquerading as a hockey player, and has no role on any team.
by yellomellojello on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree people focus too much on the big numbers and not how much each dude is over paid.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And another thing...
if you think the Boogard deal is worse than Brashear than you aren’t a real fan. Period. Last time I checked Boogard never assaulted one of the Rangers highest character guys 2 months before we signed him. Enough.
thanks for telling me the criterion for being a real fan. Very helpful.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries.
And if it were up to me I wouldn’t have let Girardi back in teh locker room after he let Gabby get beat like he did in Philly let alone re-sign him.
I understand what you’re saying, but Girardi’s not a fighter. If neither Girardi nor Gabby are fighters, why would one non-fighter jump in on another non-fighter’s fight?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Because unwritten rules say the guy with fewer points has to take the beating.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unwriiten rules say you can NEVER let your best player get beat like that by a punk like Carcillo. Never should have went down like that. Never.
Gabby shouldn’t go around starting fights either though. I hate Carcillo, but it’s not like he jumped him from behind. Rules also say, if you’re gonna start shit, be prepared to finish it. Starting something then running to your teammates is quite the punk thing to do as well.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s really what you saw? I mean, you really think Gaborik was looking to fight Carcillo? Wow. Just wow.
he dropped the gloves first. watch it again. it was a shoving match by the net. The way people talk about the incident, you’d think it was Dale Hunter on Pierre Turgeon.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dale Rolfe dropped his gloves first too because he felt like he HAD to. Just like Gabby did. In both cases, the beating that their teammates let them take is inexcusable. Period.
please. the 1970s flyers and that atmosphere are no way comparable to the 2009 flyers. the game is completely different.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s embarrassing, I agree. But it wasn’t as bad as Rolfe. It wasn’t as bad as people play it up to be. Girardi doesn’t deserve the vitriol and scorn he gets from the incident and it doesn’t justify overpaying Boogaard.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Gabby even miss a game? And Carcillo is no Shultz.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
sure fan wise, and “morally”, but as a hockey move, no.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly did Brashear bring to the table? He was too washed up to fight and he cant skate. Plus we cant drop him into the minors without taking a cap hit. If Boogard doesn’t pan out we dump him in HArtford and its no skin off our nose.
is that not what we did with Brashear?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference bro. Boogard is still an animal and he can be sent to the minors with no cap hit. Brashear’s over 35 deal didn’t provide us with that option. He still counts againsyt our cap. Again, no comparison. The Brashear deal is far worse. Not that either was any good.
They’re were both bad. Like trying to compare fatal car crashes.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
At the time of their signings, this one is easily worse, from a hockey perspective
At the time, Brashear was certainly trending down, but still had some offensive ability remaining in him. He fell off a 20k cliff in terms of ability, that obviously makes it 50 times worse now. (I love arbitrary numbers too)
Boogaard literally has no hockey skills, as someone said, he’s a boxer on skates, that’s all he does, that he makes even more than Brashear, even though it can be buried, makes it all the worse. Then add on that the Rangers are already strapped for cap room, even worse than last year, and there’s really no justification for the move. Give Shelley his 3/3.3 if you really want to fill the spot, who cares about age for that role.
From a fans’ perspective, there’s no doubt Brashear is worse..his hit on Betts signed his death warrant with any compassion fans may have given him, that’s understood, there I can’t argue at all.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard can forecheck, and hit people. Not necessarily with his fists. To say he’s “a boxer on skates” is not correct, he can do more than throw punches. When you see him play game in and game out, you’ll see he’s not just a puncher on skates. he won’t win any offensive skills competitions but he can and does do more than fight. You’ll see.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To nerd at you for a second....
Booger had 83 hits in 350 minutes of ice time this year, or .237 hits every minute he’s out there, so about every 4 minutes he has 1 hit. So basically…once a game for him. If that’s the rate at which Booger hits people, it’s not exactly intimidating.
For comparison…..Boyle had 143 hits in 593 minutes, or .239 hits every minute he’s out there.
Now, I won’t even begin to pretend to tell you that getting hit by Boogaard is the same as getting hit by Boyle, Boyle’s a wuss. It’s just to give an idea of what impact Boogaard will actually have.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
again, your stats do not take into account that the whole “hits” stat is really kind of bogus. What criteria describes a counted “hit” anyway? That is why I do not care about any of those esoteric stats. Like hometown scoring, sometimes things like that get a little skewed. Saying Callahan is a more intimidating player than Boogaard because he gets credited with more “hits” is plain silly, and gives far too much importance to certain esoteric stats. But I understand your point. I simply don’t care about any hit stat, again stats do not tell the entire story, and can be spun in any way you want them to. Opposing players do not cringe when about to be hit by Callahan, but I guarantee you they do when Boogaard is streaking down at them.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t check Callahan, but while he has more hits, he also gets a shit-ton more ice time than Booger, so I’d be surprised if Booger’s rate weren’t higher.
And yes..getting hit by a small truck is different than getting hit by Callahan, I acknowledge that when comparing to Boyle.
To flip it, there’s also no stat that adds up the times Booger will streak down and miss the big intimidating hit, and lead to rushes going the other way. It’s not only the numbers that are missing the whole story sometimes.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
plus, that kind of esoteric stat doesn’t take into account how the player was used, against what kind of player(s) he was used against, there are so many other factors involved that I simply cannot accept that the hit stat has any real value. That is not a slam against you, it is a slam against that stat, and other stats that do not show the full complexity of the play. And that is why those kind of stats have no meaning to me whatsoever.
Just because he was a certain level of stat player in Minnesota does not mean he’ll automatically be the same kind of level stat player here.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on all counts.
I actually hate the hits stat, I just felt like using it because I don’t have much else that’s tangible to argue with.
Rink bias is well-known (and MSG is one of the most favorable when it comes to hits), so yeah, I expect Booger’s numbers will go up.
And while hits aren’t themselves tied to opposition, there are stats that measure the quality of opponent a player was against. So you can combine the two to start to paint the picture.
I also will agree once more that the current available stats do not (yet) paint the whole picture. They get probably about 70% at best, but it gets better by the day. Maybe when you’ve been watching hockey for 50 years and I’m closer to 40, we can revisit the argument.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
To me, again, the big difference is the cap effect. Sather was most likely too oblivious to realize what he was doing when he signed him to a multi-year deal. Let’s be serious here, Brashear wasn’t being signed for his ability to contribute offensively.
There is no doubt this was not a good signing but the first time Boogard beats the snot out of Dave Clarkson I will be cheering whereas I was rooting for Brashear to lose every fight he was in.
The 2 will never fight. Clarkson is more likely to fight Avery.
by NTB on Jul 1, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie CHI just adds some toughness. Signs John Scott to a two-year contract.
a cheap guy that can fight.
damn now Scott's gone too
he was a guy I was hoping we’d pick up too. Can never have enough toughness in my opinion.
he’d probably have been buried in the minors with us anyway, hopefully he will at least be in the league next season.
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by bigaudio on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Booger.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Though Grim Reaper and The Undertaker (McIlrath) would be a funny combination.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather may be Sather, but thankfully he’s no Sutter.
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"Marian Gaborik.... it's a POWER PLAY GOAL!"
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Amen.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
One more on Booger for the day
He had 350 1/2 minutes of TOI last season.
At his new rate, that is $4707 per minute. Alexander Ovechkin is at $4991.
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i had this horrible daydream
that colton orr was picked up on waivers a few years ago from boston and blossomed into one of the top fighters in the league, and then was allowed to bolt last summer, replaced by donald brashear, who proved to be washed up, so he was dumped in the minors which led to a couple of trades being engineered to bring in jody shelley and brandon prust because sather finally realized you need tough guys that can actually play a little, and then earlier today shelley signed with philly and the rangers replaced him with derek boogard, a tough guy who can’t skate
it wasn’t quite as bad as the ones where i hear a random voice saying stuff like:
“we felt wade redden is one of the best first passers in the league…”
“with the thirteenth pick in the draft, the new york rangers select hugh jessiman from dartmouth”
“the new york rangers announce they have traded brian leetch to toronto in exchange for…”
“sometimes you have to be a lion and make a trade like this….”
“we are pleased to introduce our new general manager, glen sather…”
…….egads, my whole hockey life is a nightmare….
This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.
hmmmm
i’ll always have fond memories of colton orr dropping fedoruk, but i forgot boogard is the guy who broke fedoruk’s face initially:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uP1HRQet-Q&feature=related
i’m just trying to find a positive in all this and not focus on the fact that boogard for four years is costing more than orr would’ve
guess colton didn’t get a copy of the naked sather pics for leverage
This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.
I'm Disappointed
that you didn’t get his sweet picture from his yahoo profile where he has that ridiculous tan and that spiked faux hawk hair… truly would have been a better picture… other than that… excellent signing… no silly numbers on this one…
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