NHL News: The Kovalchuk saga is over
by GABORIK104LIFE on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
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Editor Note By Dave Shapiro: The deal is $102 million over 17 years, broken down to $10 million for the first 8 years, and $7.5 million for the next 2 years. The remaining $7 million is distributed over 7 years.
Ilya Kovalchuk has resigned with the New Jersey Devils. The devils official twitter has it. Looks like the saga has finally concluded and we can all start to worry about what this means for the rangers. Only good thing is we got Avery who knows how to get under kovalchuks skin so the rivalry got a little more interesting. And what does this mean for the devils in the future including Zach Parise whose contract is up soon
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Funny..I was going to title my post the exact same way. I’ll just post my comments here instead:
Obviously this presents a bad situation for us, he stays in the division, and gives the Devils two bonafide stars to anchor their top two lines (not to mention the highly underrated Travis Zajac).
On the bright side, the Devs are likely about to hit firesale mode now with at least Langenbrunner or Elias, and maybe a couple other players to boot.
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Langerbruner is the heart and soul of that team big mistake to dump him IMO. Well Parise is the future Captian but they need langs
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He’s overpaid, that’s why.
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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a vicious rumor floating around that the contract is for 17 years. If so, there might not be a need for a fire sale.
I’m kinda glad this happened. The Devs are on their way down now that Fatso is retiring, they traded away their only prospect, Martin left, and Elias and Langenbrunner are old. He’ll once again be on a team without a chance at winning the cup.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
parise and andy greene both need to get paid next summer.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
does this restart the gagne to LA rumors?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
I still think Carter for Bernier/Quick
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont make that deal if im philly. they need a goalie bad but carter has higher value than that.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
look at what teams and people here are talking about giving up for bobby ryan or the kessel deal. carter plays a more premium position than either of them and has outproduced them both.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Hmm.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Smurf you were serious?? With LA trading both their goalies for Carter??
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you do realize that “/” means “or”, right?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
O lol thats why I was like Smurf usually has valid and thought out posts but thats just crazy. LOL No I thought he meant both, then yeah I agree with that if they are giving one carter they want one of those goalies and more.
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Smurf usually has valid and thought out posts
I have many a moment of epic fail as well.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, one or the other. I forget Carter is only 25 y.o, I feel like he’s been in the league forever. They’d definitely have to give up one of the goalies, but leetch is right, they need to give up a bunch more.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it does seem like he has been in the league forever, but “just” five years.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In my Ranger Wildest dreams Grachev turns into Carter.
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mmm, probly not. I can see him becoming a 30-35-65 player.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if they can dump gagne they solve this years cap issue and would have money to sign both girouix and carter next summer without making any more moves and keeping that ridiculous D in tact.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO if they were the Stanley Cup winners if they had a legit goalie.
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well they just added even more D and presumably Carter would be healthy in the playoffs this time to go with another year of development for girouix and JVR.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I didn’t understand the Meszaros deal. He was a good value on an off year but I can’t believe they traded for him and resigned Corburn?? No sense to me.
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why not? now they can deal from a position of strength as D is always a valuable commodity to have. also have to remember their top 2 D are both 35.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well only because of the contracts Prongers and Timmo have, they can’t move them. Just thought they could get an older guy at discount to make a run at a title. A lot of money on the blue line .
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philly 22.889 on the blue line
us if staal signs for say 4 mil. 22.787.
still think they are spending too much?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I would run and hide from anything Sather does, and we havealmost 12 million dollars of dead weight, their top guys are productive as hell. If it was me I would not of done it but I am not a GM.
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Hey they have a solid Offensive corps unlike us, I just look at chicago and getting rid of Barker and the fire sale to Atlanta
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you call it a fire sale, i would disagree. they gave up none of their core guys. the problem in chicago is campbell and huet. if they didnt have those deals no trades would have been necessary. other than mez every guy on the flyers is probably at or below market.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It gives them sick depth.
When your 3rd pair is some combination of Carle-O’Donnell-Coburn, you’ve got a pretty darn good D.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but your 5th defensemen is making over 3 million dollars. It is just lot of money in a cap world when you will have other guys to lockup soon. Not so much I don’t understand it, more that with no goalie I would of signed like a Dan Ellis before two more d men IMO.
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Well in the playoffs, D is probably the most important thing. If they can make their defense good enough, their offense can take a backseat. They still have Carter, Briere, Giroux, Leino, and maybe JVR if he steps up, which is a pretty good offense.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Parise is gone
If I were the Devils I would have gave him an extension first then tried to re-sign Kovy or just gave Parise the extension. He will go to a team that has the money to sign him because now the Devils won’t……
so who are the devils going to be dumping, i read somewhere about them waiting to know koy’s decision before making any needed moves but i think i saw salvador’s name and someone elses as the most likely “first moves”
he would make sense, as would trying to move zubrus’ contract.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Zubrus is the other name tossed around on ILWT right now. I don’t know who wants 3 years of Zubrus at 3.4m though
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s true but also if he doesnt bring arnott’s deal in he has no cap problem now.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well here's the first rumor....
“dchesnokov
Kovalchuk’s mother tells Pavel Lysenkov of Sovetsky Sport that Kovalchuk’s deal with #NJD is for 17 years.”
i could see him signing for the years on his jersey ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If he retires, does the cap hit clear?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have Parise than Kovalchuk on the roster. Parise isn’t a diva, who has actually had success on a playoff team, whereas Kovy has had no success there!
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
what success has zach had since they have been bounced 3 straight years? numbers overall are pretty good in the playoffs but not like he was dominating and they just lost.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but I would still go after Parise than Kovy
Parise has 25 pts in 28 Playoff Games, while Kovy has 8 pts in 9 Playoff Games, so they’re pretty similar. However, I think Parise showed everyone he can put up the points on the big stage (Olympics), where it seems Kovy always fails to either show up, or takes a backseat to the other players on the team
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
plus Parise has grit, defense, and can still score. Kovy can just score, albeit alot.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well if it actually 17 yrs
the cap hit will be minimized and they will be able to resign parise most likely
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
this yr yes, we were discussing in terms of signing parise next yr
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
especially after taking his time looking for money, turning down 10mill from the KHL? It has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8 a year.
Well maybe he gets huge money the first 10 years, then drops off severely the last 7.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i only want it to be 17 years if it is 117 million, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope its the 7/60 mil contract that people were talking about- that would absolutely crush their cap
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
dchesnokov Kovalchuk’s the deal is in excess of $100 million for 17 years. I am hearing out of Russia.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
5.88 is a low cap hit if that is what it ends up being.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, but doesnt matter for the cap. he probably gets 80+ mil of it in 10 years and the rest is BS years after he is retired
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it is buyout friendly to, set up like Savard’s deal or you could buy him out at the end, cause Kovi is not playing for 1.5 mil a year.
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why do you keep suggesting buyouts? you dont have to buy him out, he plays for what is left, he retires or he goes somewhere else, that’s all. ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
NO because thats usually the understanding at the end you get a nice little parting gift for working with the team on the cap hit.
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These disgusting front loaded contracts are a recent phenomenon. Nobody has seen yet what will happen at the end.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No but that is a way to get around the cap, I heard a few different cap oligist talking about their options with a front loaded deal, I am not saying they can’t retire, but a buyout would not cripple the team like a normal spread out deal would./
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really, buyout the last 7 years of kovy’s deal when he is 38 and pay whatever hit for the next 14 years?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not I don’t know what Kovi’s deal is I was usuing Savard’s deal as an example. If you see a lot of 1mil and 500k years at the end then a buyout is possible, if the last year pays lik 5 million then no team would do that.
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it’s not a question of what the buyout costs but the way it impacts the salary cap. when you do a buyout of a contract you pay a cap charge for double the number of years remaining. im saying say most of kovy’s money is the first 10 years. under your scenario you buy him out w 7 years left and pay a cap hit for 14 years following.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If it happened Yeah I wouldn’t see that happening before he is 40 if the deal is 17 years, which I would be suprised if it was.
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well then 40 means 5 years left and 10 years of charges.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason the salary is like league minimum at the end of the ocntracts is to encourage the player to retire. Sure he may have made most of his money up front, but when it comes down to it, the player has to ask, do i want to play this year for league minimum? the answer is usually no. So he retres and goes to play in Russia, contract over cap hit wiped.
i think it’s more that the team throws on the extra years so you can save face in this case and hit 100 mil. lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the breakdown has to be something around 10 mil a yr for the first 7-8 yrs though
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
thank god
Sather wasn’t the GM who made that deal…
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he probably should have.....
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 19, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
saw this coming
NHLSourcesSay
Kings now focusing on Gagne, Williams is the other player believed to be going to the Flyers. Could get done today.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
that doesnt solve all the problems though. i think they around 2.5 over and that deal would only save them about 1.5 mil
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How does $3.5m worth of Williams help the Flyers?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if it’s 17/100 even though im not a huge kovy fan i would have been happy with sather doing that. that’s premium talent for below market hit.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, 17/100 is an awesome deal for his talent. Lou is shrewd enough to pull that off too.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not to beat up on koivu because i really like him as a player but 6.714 for koivu or 5.88 for kovy, just saying.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the Wild’s fault then. I’m sure they could’ve locked of Koivu for that long if they chose, they decided to leave themselves a window when he’s 34. (or maybe he did, who knows)
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree it is. and i agree koivu is more what we need but if the nhl isnt going to crack down on these BS years at the end of deals it is time we start using them to our advantage like DET, CHI and the like are.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BS they may be but totally legal under the current CBA. There is nothing to crack down on if there are no rules broken. Only way to address it is through te next CBA, which will likely be friendlier to the Teams and not players.
Well maybe the rules need changing.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t bother me one way or the other. Sure, the rules can be manupulated to get the cap hit per year down. Sure if he gets injured during the long term deal, the cap hit and possibly the salary hit are gone while on IR (Insurance may cover the salary) but if the player just sucks (like Redden) there is nothing you can do. So the teams are assuming a lot of risk in their manupulating of the system.
according to the nhlnumbers chart that would make kovy the 46th highest paid player.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This doesn't mean Parise is gone for sure.
Next year, Arnott’s 4.5, Langs’ 2.5, Parise’s previous 3, and other contracts come off the Devil’s books. Kovy’s cap hit will be substantial, but not enough to impede signing Parise to a 6/7 mill/season contract (or even higher) if Lou wants to (which he will).
Arnott and Langenbrunner have to be replaced, as would Andy Greene if they let him go, and any other contracts. It really depends on Kovy’s cap hit, and how big a raise Zach commands. If it’s $5.88m, then Parise is safe. If it’s $7.5m or so, their situation gets tight in a hurry.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention if heaven forbid the cap goes down next year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Or down to the $48m I’ve seen rumored as a ‘sky is falling’ number that could be there after the new CBA.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, but my guess says if they crunch it that much either they scale back salaries even after deals were signed like last time or give another “holik/allan houston” exception that you can buyout a guy and not pay cap hit.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Any scaleback will include teams having the option to buy out contracts without taking a cap hit, like the last CBA did.
I would highly doubt that the Cap will sink like that poersonally. There are plenty of teams in the red, but there are also a few making good money (and every Canadian team is profitable) that they currently have to share with the laggards to make things “fair”
One thing I don’t understand is why sign arnott before you lock up kovy if you intended on resigning him well knowing you have parise to worry about also
I think Kovalchuk would have been a better fit on the Kings. Kopitar is a beast, and Schenn will be.
Parise’s as good as Kopitar, and Zajac hasn’t peaked yet.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but he wont play with parise or zajac.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No guarantee he’d play with Kopitar or Schenn either.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
well there is he would play with one seeing as they are both centers, but yeah; -;).
my guess says it would have been kovy-kopi-simmonds
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
NHLSourcesSay Rumor: Quick/Williams in exchange for Gagne/Hartnell. Remember its a rumor folks, don’t take it to be a shoe in to happen.
that makes more sense from the flyers side. save 4 mil get a legit goalie.
no chance lombardi takes back hartnell. him for quick as a consolation prize for kovi would cost his job
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense for the Flyers why the heck would the kings do it. I am not touching Hartnell
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if only carter felt that way about his wife.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that jeff carter banged hartnell’s wife?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT???? lol
no the original post with Quick/Williams in exchange for Gagne/Hartnell
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it says NHLSOURCESSAY; twitter account.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
why have we never discussed carter laying some pipe to hartnells wife?
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he would be better off resigning frolov than taking hartnell
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we start a
Parise to the Rangers rumor that can last 11 months !!!! LOL!!!!
In 94 I thought i could die in peace... Now I watch a ranger game and just want to die.
no because where sather would have paid 8.88 mil for kovy, lou paid 5.88 so parise will be staying put.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that it really needs a reminder, but if Kovy signed for less than Redden, I…I don’t even have words for that.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure you will find the words when he see kovy going around redden straight at hank.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I still hold out the belief Redden doesn’t make the team out of camp. So replace that with Rozsival.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy can't deke anyone, even Redden
He is pure sniper. Sucks at shootouts.
who said a damn thing about a deke, i just going around him.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I will give you that
he does have some speed
you sound like eklund lol
but yeah things will probably get going now with free agents and trades
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well difference is i didnt start making up where all the domino’s were going E3
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i know just meant the talk of dominos falling
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea couldnt think of a different metaphor, ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it is kinda of cathcy lol
do we have any updates on what sather has been up to lately besides snubbing staal? im sure he rushing into something stupid right now since he hearb about lou landing kovi
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh damn that crackpot actually has pictures of dominoes. guess we will call it shit or get off the pot week then, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he even has all of his minions talk about dominos falling
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather probably goes 10/100
friggin Devils, that’s a good deal. NHL is getting rear ended if they’re letting this crap fly tho.
Go New York Go!
The contract of 17 years at 100mil
is just a rumor, the one he was close to signing before with the Devs was 7 years at 60, so hold tight and wait for tomorrow when more details come out.
Yes, rumors were that the Kings were offering btwn. a 5.75m and 6.75m cap hit, and you know he didn’t take less (as apparently leetch just found is true). So either the extra years allow the more money and keep the cap hit down, of he’s in the “more than Redden” category.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
im assuming it was the tacked on years nj gave him. rumors before had la offering basically hossa’s deal
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod According to Kings governor, “NJ offered more money. Simple as that.”
sorry but if you are an owner in a market like LA and you cant come up with the money for a deal like that on a talent like kovy you should sell.
agreed. i know they were trying to think ahead about signing johnson and doughty after next season but with over 16 mil in cap space left this offseason the kings front office should have/needed to get this done
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not all about cap space this year. The Kings had to think long term as well. No reason for them not to consider the ultra-long contracts that are en vogue to deflate cap hits, though
you mean long term when ryan smith’s 6.25 is off the cap in 2 years; handzus 4 mil is off next summer; stoll in 2 years; justin williams 3.5 next year.
doughty is going to get paid huge but that is 7.5 next summer and 8.25 the following which is plenty with what they already to sign doughty, simmonds and jack johnson next year.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yea. they are going to have 20+ mil, i think they could manage.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Even with a ton of cap space now, a contract in the range of a $10 million cap hit would be an albatross. It would be hard to field a full team with much cap space tied up in one skater.
the rumored number was 17/100 or 5.88 not 10 mil.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In the end, it is ultimately a business. The LA Clippers make real good money for the owner, even though they suck ass. The owner is happy with that scenario. he gets a good return on investment. Sometimes those decisions are more important to owners than winning
that’s fine, but at least Sterling doesnt go out and pretend he is actively seeking the top FA talent. he just counts his money quietly.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no he didnt since he was the only owner that didnt go in person to the meeting.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather needs to be stoned!
and i don’t mean with good pot,i mean like the arabs do with rocks!
Hank deserves better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ek, via Dave Shapiro of Banter fame, via whoever SpectorsHockey is
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Eklund, but worth noting. RT @SpectorsHockey Hockeybuzz.com reporting Simon Gagne has been dealt to Tampa Bay. Awaiting official word.
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thats definitely possible, there were serious rumors about that happening last week. did he officially wave his ntc? where the hell does LA go from here? back to froloaf i guess
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he was given permission to talk to other teams, I presume that means he’ll waive the NTC, assuming that is if he initiated contact with TB.
LA can either go get Stempniak/Afinogenov/Frolov, or look to trade for Sharp, or look to poach from someone (say Ryan or Neal)
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see chi trading sharp unless they get blown away. poaching ryan or neal would be interesting as both are in the division.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see the hawks being to interested in sending sharp to a team who could seriously challange them in the western conference this yr either. the RFA path would be extremely interesting with the young talent they have. getting neal might have gotten a little harder though because i think some oil tycoon just bought/is about to buy the stars and has very deep pockets
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably right, I was just throwing things out there as possible options from them if they’re definitely looking to add a forward.
Savard’s not a fit really, and there aren’t alot of wingers readily available at this point.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yea not sure what wingers are out there via trade.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
time to bring up gabby to la again? lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just reading spector’s about boston and savard and how the gm apparently threatened savard with putting him on waivers so savard would have no say in where he ended up as a way to try and get him to waive his NTC. that’s hardball and personally i like it
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s kind of a bitch move don’t you think? Savard took much less money than he could have commanded, and that’s a hell of a way to repay someone. I understand this is a business, but I’m fairly certain that Savard signed the deal in confidence that he wouldn’t be treated in such a manner afterwards.
oh i dont necessarily like doing it to savard, just wish we would do it with some of our biatches. savard did take less to an extent because have to realize he probably gets a 4/20-24 deal on the market but at 37 he is going to get much more than the other 3 years 4-8 mil if he is playing. also they arent looking to move him because of his salary but his concussions.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s would have been great for the growth of Hockey in the United States had Ilya signed with the KIngs. It’s a shame really
"And so the Ranger's season comes down to Oli Jokinen"
Take it for what it's worth...
ESPN is reporting the Kovy deal is for 17/$150 mil +, which even at 150 is an 8.82 hit…
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
if that is true I am going to be dancing forever. that would mean bye bye zach and lou lost his marbles.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
nuts?
if thats true he’s off the f*ing wall. no way lou went from being one of the best gm’s to handing out a deal like this
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have held out too...
If I knew I could sucker a GM into giving me a deal like this
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, that’s why I said take it for what it’s worth since it is ESPN reporting this…
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was LeBrun reporting it, I would tend to believe it sooner
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
that’s a crazy contract. for REAL? buwahaahahaha
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NHLSourcesSay Dana Tyrell and Ty Wishart from Tampa are two other names that are possible to be in Gagne trade via @DNFlyers
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not if tampa is giving up 3 of it’s best 5 prospects.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it’s all three, or Yzerman lost his mind already.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed and then there is this:
NHLSourcesSay Source says Tampa Goalie Mike Smith WILL be involved in Gagne trade.
now that’s interesting.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that makes sense, he is the most awwark goalie I have seen when I watch him lol
Since the face been revealed the game got real
If this is true, then I wish Voros was still on the team for no other reason than to see him suit up against the Flyers and continue his relationship with Mr. Smith
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
“(Kovalchuk) had two very good choices. (New Jersey) offered more money. Simple as that,” Tim Leiweke, the Kings’ governor and chief executive of their parent company, AEG, said in an e-mail to the Los Angeles Times.
“We threw everything at him we had while leaving the cap space necessary to sign our kids. He is a great player and I am disappointed he didn’t come to L.A. It was not for lack of effort or cash.”
How can he say it was not for a lack of cash when he just said New Jersey offered more money??
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
well could be the difference b/w 12/70 and 17/100. still plenty of cash either way, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Im throwing this out there
I am hearing 17 years 150 million dollars.
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Oh I didn't realize
this thread blew up
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolston is already talking like he knows he will be moved…
This is what happens when you’re a 3rd line center making over $5mil a season
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
not exactly. by that logic we could move drury without a problem
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said Lou would find it easy to move him…I’m just saying it shouldn’t have been that hard for Rolston to see the writing on the wall after this deal
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t see moving Rolston , you might be able to trick someone with Zu
Since the face been revealed the game got real
i see Zubrus or Salvador as most likely to be movable.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just imagine if Connolly forces his way in.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What kind of deal do you see Connolly commanding next season?
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s alright….I’m still interested in the figures for a T. Connolly deal next offseason
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought about him, but with all the lost time last year im thinking they wont rush him.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see Downie under contract on capgeek
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh…RFA list…n/m
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What are the rules on front loading a contract?
If its $100M for 17 yrs, can he get say $90M over the first 9 yrs, then get a little over a mil each year after that?
i think smurf covered this the other day but basically at some point when you start dropping the salary it cant drop more than 50% so say he was getting 10 mil a year for a while there would have to be a 5 mil year in there some where.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
smurf can probably clarify better than i can but i think the only rule is that you cant have more than a 50% decrease in salary from the yr before
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right..if the first two years are $10, he can’t decrease by more than $5m in any year.
Look at the Hossa and Pronger deals…both have random $4m years in the middle because of that clause in the cba. I forget exactly how it is worded, but that is the crux of it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
now I’m hearing 17 years 130 million
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not terrible like the other one though. it comes out to a similar cap hit as vinny down in tampa
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Still 17 years is a big commitment. Anything can happen to Kovy & wreck that deal. I think this is Lou’s endgae and itll be the next guy’s problem
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its a 7.6 million dollar a year deal still
and for 17 years that’s a big time cap hit
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying i would ever do it, just that in comparison to the deal being thrown around before this is much better
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. I wouldnt like to commit more than 10 years to a player at the most, its a risky move and can fail horribly w/ injuries like w/ Dipietro
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except when he’s hurt he doesnt cost them anything against the cap.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not what I meant. Say Kovalchuk blows a knee ligament, breaks a wrist, etc. its likely he wont be the same caliber of player yet hell still have a large hit while he continues to play.
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and there is no reason to do it unless you are getting a huge discount on avg cap hit and at 7.6 you arent so i agree. 17/100 sure, 17/130 no way
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of Kovy’s game is speed. if he gets injured and loses some of that speed unpon recovery, he may become an average scorer,. Wrist injury could weaken his shot, same deal. Devils would not be able to void the cap hit due to decreased level of play (otherwise Rangers would have done it with Redden) And Kovy certainly wouldn’t walk from the contract in that scenario either.
Plusch comments are right on
Matt Walker and a 4th for Gagne. Done deal.
And people scoffed at my Sauer and a 3rd prediction. Ha!
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lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the big Y is off to a pretty good start down in tampa
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
of course he is he learned in Detroit. that’s why Jim Nill should be our GM.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
talk about a desperation move for philly. getting them to take mike smith would have been a bonus for tampa
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow…It finally looks like Tampa Bay has someone in there that knows what he’s doing…unlike that Melrose experiment
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
and he has some fantastic facial hair so he obviously knows what hes doing
by BronxBeliever on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally.
A contract longer than Rick DiPietro’s.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
If the Devils gave this kind of deal to Kovy (17/100, 17/130 or 17/150+), then could you imagine what Wang and the Islanders would have had to offer if the reports that they were interested turn out to be true??
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why the Lighthouse Fell Through
Probably would have given Kovalchuk a 99 year ground lease.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that..I was using that as an example of the prior regime and the kind of moves they made
by BleedingRWB4Ever on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
im just saying we wont know anything about the coach til the season. i believe they have also changed owners again since then, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
so similar to what i expected 80 mil for 8 years and then 2 years where he might play w 7 where he probably wont.
17/102 is a deal i would have taken cause at 6 mil per he is well worth the hit.
Seems to me that the cap is a joke if you can set up a 17 year contract where, exactly like you said, there are 7 years where he probably won’t play and are at $1M per year.
it is a joke especially that you are allowed to create a deal that takes a guy until he is 45.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya that’s some BS, anyone ever played in this league at 44/45? Can’t believe they’re allowed to do that. We should just give everyone 20 yr contracts
by teknics on Jul 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chelios. These contracts are ridiculous, there’s gotta be some way to fix it in the next CBA.
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yea chelios and shanahan were the only ones i could think of, chelios was 42 i think and shanny played part of a season at 40 right?
they should make 35 the cutoff for all contracts, at 35 you become some sort of partial-RFA or something.
yea that seems easier, but theyd sign 35 yr old guys to long term contracts to allow bigger spending on younger guys so we’d need to limit over-35 contracts to like 5 years, 7 maybe.
so how about a scaled system
25-2712 or less
28-30 9 or less
31-34 6 or less
35+ max 4 years
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive heard things about there possibly being an “Amnesty” clause in the next CBA. Meaning teams can void out 1 contract (like a buyout) without penalty. Does anyone here with more knowledge than I do know about the possibility of that happening? Just curious
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yea i mentioned it above. they said max salary couldnt exceed a certain % of the total cap so players like jagr had their salaries lowered and teams could buy a guy out for 2/3rds of his remaining money with no cap hit.
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
they won’t need amnesty on this contract. it’s a relatively low cap hit for a player of Kovalchuk’s ability. too bad sather would never be able to figure out how to create a deal like it.
what happened to the 10 mil a year that was going to cripple the kings future?
by Michael Gleich on Jul 19, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised Lou did this.
I mean honestly, I never thought I would see the day that Lou Lamoriello would allow a player to get that much money from the Devils for that long period of time. This has DiPietro mistake written all over it.
I think we have finally seen an over hyped player begging for what he is truely not worth, which is why Ovechkin is a much better player than Kovalchuk, more of a team player than a greedy bastard.
by NYR #35 Richter on Jul 19, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
LOU IS A GENIUS
Lou signed this guy for a cap hit of 5.8 million a year. I’m sure the Devils will waive this guy in 10 years when Kovy has been paid $93 million of the $100 million. Basically, Lou cheats the cap. He gets a player @ a $5.8 million cap hit, when it’s really a 10 year $93 million deal – 9.3 annual hit against the cap.
genius?
According to the AP, the high-scoring left wing will earn $6 million each of the next two seasons, $11.5 million for the following five seasons, $10.5 million in the 2017-18 season, $8.5 million for the 2018-19 season, $6.5 million in 2019-20, $3.5 million in 2020-21, $750,000 the following season, and $550,000 for the final five years of the unprecedented deal.
when the cba expires in ‘12 his hit over the next five years will be 11.5 mil per, and if there’s a tighter cap put in place they’re completely hosed even with other contracts coming off the books
This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.
Lou's move
The cap works like this: Total Salary divided by years of contract = avg salary. Lou signed him to a 17 year deal that pays him almost all of the contract in the 1st ten years. Kovalchuk wanted a $100 million for 10 years and Lou basically gave that to him.
If Kovalchuk is paid 10.5 million in 17-18, the cap hit isn’t 10.5 million that year, it’s the average over the entire contract. 5.8 million.
by ny_kingkong on Jul 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
is math class really this bad. 102/17=6
by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
2010-11: $6 million
2011-12: $6 million
2012-13: $11.5 million
2013-14: $11.5 million
2014-15: $11.5 million
2015-16: $11.5 million
2016-17: $11.5 million
2017-18: $10.5 million
2018-19: $8.5 million
2019-20: $6.5 million
2020-21: $3.5 Million
2021-22: $750,000
2022-23: $550,000
2023-24: $550,000
2024-25: $550,000
2025-26: $550,000
2026-27: $550,000
The contract represents a $6 million annual cap hit for the Devils.
There is a no movement clause through the 2016-17 season and a no trade clause 2018-19 through the deal’s completion. Kovalchuk can be traded between July 1, 2017, and June 30, 2018.
Thank GOD!!!!!
This was a total waste of cyber space! I refused to comment on ANY site until this was over, because you could not talk about an MSG bathroom without this guy’s name finding it’s way in there somehow! Now we can all move on!
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