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NHL News: The Kovalchuk Saga Isn't Over Yet

Well the saga continues. According to TSN the NHL has rejected the contract signed by Ilya Kovalchuk with the New Jersey Devils yesterday.

The NHL has rejected Ilya Kovalchuk's 17-year, $102 million contract with the New Jersey Devils on the grounds that it circumvents the NHL's salary cap.

Not to brag, but I called this on Rink Side Radio last night. Also it isn't a surprise, since $95 million-dollars was given in the first 10 years, and 550K a year for the remaining 7 years of the deal.

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Wow…I don’t even know what to say. If Lamoriello wore a cap, he’d throw it to the ground.

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Lou may have shit in his own bed by coming out and saying these contracts are bad, but they’re not illegal. All but saying “well, hell, if everyone else is doing it, why can’t I?”

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and honestly he has a point. is this worse than hossa, pronger, franzen, zetterberg?

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

luongo has 3 or 4 bs years as well and i think it goes til he is 41.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but i dont think anyone have sub $1mil years, especially when like 5 are only $550k

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hossa has 2 at 1 mil; 2 at 750K the rest i believe stop at 1 mil being the lowest.

thing is they are all intended to circumvent the cap, so bettman needed to crack on all or none.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

after Lou kept bad-mouthing them and then turns around and does it, even basically bragging about it…yeah if I was Bettman I would have done the same thing

by b4mv01 on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah Savards hit the last 2 years is like around 500k

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

even more than that you could argue like pronger his is a 4 year deal w 3 bs years.

25.5 first 4. 2.55 last 3. 91% first 4 years.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s still not age 44, as none of them are. It might be splitting hairs, but there are enough players that played into their 40’s you can at least make the argument.

How many 44 year olds has the NHL seen?

Just playing devils advocate (pun fully intended) here.

And teknics brings up a good point too, I don’t know that any of the others have league minimums in there without checking.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

franzen, zetterberg and hossa do not have league minimums, dunno about pronger

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger does.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

pronger goes from 7.6 for 2 to 7.2 to 7 to 4 to 525K the last 2 years when he is 40-41.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell me how that isnt designed to circumvent and lower his cap hit to 4.921 a year

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not just have a cap hit of what the player is getting paid. doesnt that make more sense? i mean i understand u could still mess around and cheat the system a bit, but it still seems like a much better idea

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree it should be like the nba cap where you can finagle salaries in different years to fit cap needs to an extent and you are charged for the salary that year.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's the years that the NHL has the problem with

at least with Pronger you can argue that they wanted to sign him for 5 mil a year, they just frontloaded the money.

Kovalchuk wanted to be a 100 million dollar man from the get-go. And to give him the league minimum for the final 7 years? No way

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

so pronger getting 7 years at 35 til 42 is significantly better than kovy getting 17 til he is 44?

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

show me how in this market pronger is only worth 5 mil. wouldnt that amount to a form of collusion as they tried to claim when kariya took less to play with the avs? the union would never stand for a player of prongers caliber only getting 5 mil a year if it was a legit deal.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woah woah

just a though by me. Lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

im just playing the other side, you know it’s not personal, lol.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just see Pronger

a little different because he will probably play out that full contract.

I don’t see Kovalchuk playing out the last 7 years of this deal

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it’s 6 near minimum, or it was, lol.

and just because pronger may play it out doesnt mean it was circumventing the cap by the flyers.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the real problem with the Kovy deal

is that he has no point to play the final 7 years of the deal. if it was the final 3 years, it would’t have been an issue. but it’s not

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I always thought he was going to the KHL after the money goes to under a million

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

but your point conflicts to an extent because is not playing the last 3 of a 17 year deal the same as not playing the last 2 of a 7? are we arguing that if it had been 4 or 5 BS years the nhl would have let it go because on % of a contracts the equivalency exists.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point i think their should be a max year deal or something this is getting stupid

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I agree there

but I think the NHL knows that it will happen, just that 7 years of it is too much lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree lou did an awful job of hiding the blatancy in which he was doing it. at least make some of the 750/550 years 2 mil or so lower the 11.5’s down and he probably gets away with it.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh hI love when we agree

lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and to your point does the nhl reject the 15/90 deal i laid out at the bottom since it’s basically 4 BS years.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t see him playing for 750k

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

me either but it was 750 for 1 and 550 for 5 so still only 6 total.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Kovi I meant

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless u meant pronger in which case his last 2 are 525K

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it ever resolved with Pronger’s extension that kicked in after his 35th bday and not coming off the books early if he retired?

by Dutchmarau on Jul 21, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

that may be the key… it does count as a 35+ contract, and therefore, even if he retires, that cap hit remains, so the bs years, aren’t quite bs.

by j-red on Jul 21, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

that one makes it interesting, definitely one that will be the most highlighted, id guess, in their defense, if there is an appeals process or anything

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it is stupid though now that deal is void and in theory could he call the Kings if he wanted?

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure he is a FA again. if he wont hit the magic 100 maybe it changes the dynamic, maybe not.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the kings can afford a more straight up deal with like a 7.5-8 mil cap hit. I think the Kings will win a Cup before the Devils with another one anyway.

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the kings dont want to offer him that. if they did they probably would already have him.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just thought the length was a problem

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAV. kings dont want to risk future contract problems with other guys i believe.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats suprising because they got smyth and handzus coming off soon, Quick for 3 years at a friendly deal, I know they have some big deals to give out though. I think Lombardi is an excellent GM though

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, but maybe it is just his excuse. not sure he really wants kovy especially at kovy’s said asking price. maybe kovy was willing to take “less” in NJ than he would in LA

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe the kings offer was 15/80

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I thought it was 7/60 but I wasn’t positive

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

7/60 was the rumor on nj the first time round.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I will not argue with you today I learned my lesson LOL
no I didn’t know for sure just thought I remembered that number

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no problem with the debate. i enjoy it because in the “battle” we both learn things from the other person’s perspective. and back to hockey, ;-)

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

no kovy for you!

lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

at 15/90 i wouldnt mind him, lol.

think about it, that’s 1 mil than gomer and redden got for only 13 seasons. lol.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes me want to cry

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger?

i thought Pronger turned 35 prior to the start of the season in which he signed that deal, so regardless if he retires, the Flyers have the entire contract cap hit on their books, am I wrong here?

by hockeysully on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i called this on a post last night once i saw the breakdown and how the NMC and NTC worked

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely see him making this face after hanging up the phone when he sent gomez packing

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this was taken right after he signed Boogaard

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

im still laughing at this picture

by teknics on Jul 21, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

why did they allow hossa’s contract then and some of the redwings contracts?

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

well Hossa's

is a head scratcher but Franzen’s is not breaking any rules that i can see

by louielounz1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess its not as bad as kovi...still pretty bad though

Hossa will make $7.9 million each of the first seven years of the deal. However, for the 2016-17 season, his salary drops to $4 million. In 2017-18 and 2018-19, Hossa will make $1 million and in the final two years of the deal, he will make just $750,000 each year.

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the only reason the 4 mil is in there is because his salary cant drop more than 4 mil in any year of the deal, so they drop it from 7.9 to 4 and then they can drop it to 1.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and franzen and zetterberg are getting paid like a million each for 2 years at the end of there contracts… i agree with not allowing contracts like that and couldnt be happier that they stopped it, just seems like a double standard

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did give warnings by investigating the others, and im sure they mentioned it to the gms that they were watching

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

not that it matters

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me a few years is okay, thats a lot different then making half a million for half of a decade. LOL

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the thing is

he will probably stay with the devils but they will just have to redo the contract

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by NYRangerFan718 on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe

probably 17 years
11million the first 2
9million the next 4
6million the next 5
2million the next 4
1million the last 2

by louielounz1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sets a good precedent and moves their cap hit up…2 very good things

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea itd be funny if the nhl forced the devils to have to take him

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would have been funnier if he said horrible things about the kings, he was smart enough not to

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard he basically faked them into thinking he was signing with them, they reported they were 98% confident it was a done deal. i dont see LA going back to him, if they do they’re giving themselves a horrible image

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well then he is getting a lot less money in the first ten years

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what will end up happening is the devils will take a mil off the high salaries, move money to the end of the deal and push it again.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

time value of money… the money needs to increase cant just take a million off today and say i will give it to you in 17 years

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

they probably want it to be less years mainly, as we have seen prongers contract does the same pattern of league minimum

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

from “NHL FanHouse” : Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos reports, via Twitter, that the NHL considers it a “retirement contract,” claims it “artificially drops the salary cap hit,” and is “too overloaded” for the first 10 years.

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point was by frontloading it, it also decreases the cap hit even if it didn’t go to 44 cause a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you not say the same about hossa? 55.3 in first 7 years 7.5 in last 5 years

pronger 29.4 mil in first 4 years…5.05 last 3?

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

88 and 85% in the front. Kovalchuk is well over 90 in the non-BS years.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

zetterberg 67.65 first 9…5.35 last 3.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit. There’s always one.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but only .001% of nhl players play at 44, how old are those players when their contracts end? even 41 is higher percentage of a chance then 44 obviously not a huge one, but enough to argue about

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

luongo 67 mil first 8 years…7 his last 4.

90.5%

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

right but 7 years to a 35 year old is basically the same as 17 to a 27 year old, just saying.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 years makes a big difference in all contracts, why should you be able to dump a 34 year old but not a 36 yr old?

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can dump either one, just depends on when you signed them.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i included that itd be a really long comeback :)

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saying there is no rule saying you can’t dump a 36 year old just dont get any cap relief if you signed him for multiple years after 35. if you did it at 34 you can dump him like anyone else. ;-)

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

touche, i see the difference now thanks

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I am hearing

Less years, same 102 million

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

good move that cap hit up

by lund123 on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The higher cap hit the better IMO Devils are weak either way

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record I think the kovy deal is BS and we all knew it yesterday, but it’s BS for the nhl to have allowed some of these deals that were also clearly intended to lower AAV’s and call this one out.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

and if im the devils i submit a 15/90 deal and dare the league to block it since it will last til the same exact time hossa’s does in his career.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

8+8+9+9+9+9+9+7.5+7.5+5+4+2+1+1+1

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that what i think the ending will be

by teknics on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it’s still BS cause he gets 85 of the 90 in the first 11 years.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that’s a big difference from 6 years of under $1million salary. I agree with you mostly, but I think this contract is the ridiculous side of those others, and that’s where they drew the line. I would have preferred they drew the line at Hossa, all the others are fine in my opinion.

by j-red on Jul 21, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

this will be just the first one to go. All others following this will get the same treatment. They started late, but hey, at least they started.

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by rmc235 on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun with age stats, from elsewhere:

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/7/20/1578418/raging-about-17-year-contracts

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by George E. Ays on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I just want to tell my friend Lou one thing. HA! SUCKER! YOU JUST GOT SERVED!

by NYR #35 Richter on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well now, this is nice.

It was bound to happen. I was just explaining how this contract was illegal to a friend of mine today. Now I want to let him know I was right :)

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by rmc235 on Jul 20, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are now seriously screwed.

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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah they really can’t make a higher cap hit happen, unless Rolston will leave

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont think Im adding much to this discussion, but it seems the only difference between this contract and prior heavily-front-loaded contracts is that Lemonjello acknowledged that it stunk. That may have backed the NHL into a corner and it took the opportunity. I can’t imagine the NHL would have taken this action against one of their biggest supporters in the GM ranks lightly.

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by poploser on Jul 20, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Or the NHL finally said enough is enough this year its seven extra years but next year its eight. But pissing on Gary B didn’t help either agreed.

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by BL3ACH on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

but there’s also a significant difference in #of years, and $. The difference between Hossa’s peak salary and his cap hit is $2.625 million. The difference between Kovy’s peak salary and his cap hit is $5.5million.

by j-red on Jul 21, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty excited about this

serves lou right to be so cocky about the structure of the deal. Go to LaLa land Kovy!

by Conway on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome. Nothing else to say really

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by Plusch on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

lol + 102/17

Yeah my first reaction also

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by BL3ACH on Jul 21, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh the players’ association is going to have a good case if they decide to appeal. All of the precedent isin the contract’s favor

by dar9898 on Jul 21, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

All else equal, Kovy’s contract should have been upheld.

However, all else is not equal. First off, these contracts are under more scrutiny now since the Pronger and Hossa contracts. While, I think there were grumblings about these contracts before, the Pronger and Hossa deals seem to have put the dislike with this tactic over some threshold value where the NHL felt any backlash from voiding the deal would be minimized. I think the NHL could argue that they are learning from past mistakes (i.e. not voiding) and making improvements designed to better the game. Second and most important, Kovy and his agent were LeBron-esque during this process. So, he deserves to get screwed.

by NTB on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it was the dead seven years, to long I guess. The “dead weight” years are longer then half the money years of the contract. Kovi has the right to decide where he wants to play. He wasn’t being all dramic like Lebron (unless I didn’t hear something he did) was. What did he do that you consider “Lebron esque” ?

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by BL3ACH on Jul 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

itd be funny if the kovalchuk then signs a contract with the kings now…itll show his true colors because all this talk about his “wanting” to stay in nj was bullshit and what is he gonna say if he goes to LA

by nutz_35 on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

the NHL is right on this one but its time for the players to negotiate a new deal and to raise the salary cap. the point with the cap is that big market clubs don’t buy out smaller markets. that is definitely the case here. a smaller market couldn’t afford to structure a contract like this so it throws the edge to the clubs with sweet cable deals and such.

sounds to me like this is a case of GMs gnawing away at the edges of legality and the league just came in and drew a line in the sand…it was bound to happen sooner or later.

but yea, sounds like either Kovy or the Devils are out of it now. Can’t see NJ raising their Cap and Kovy is NOT going to get the money he wants when it forces a club to sacrifice building a cup contender. who can win a cup around Kovy making that much money? selfish. just like his playing style.

by voice22 on Jul 21, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

i like how eklund is speculating the rangers will give kovy 10mill for one year

by nutz_35 on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Also from Eklund:

“Next on the Rangers/Kings…

It’s a bit unclear as to “who” both teams are targeting, but I have now talked to several people in the past few hours who say they are both “interested in the same top 6 guy.” When I get more I will update this blog or put it into my next one "

My guess would be Frolov, but come on its Eklund so Im not taking it seriously.

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by Plusch on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Ek, he could be talking about Favre.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 21, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by Plusch on Jul 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for the NHL… it’s about time… and there is no way that this deal wasn’t constructed in order for kovy to retire when his contract hit league min. even as many have said, prongers is the same, but prongers getting league min for 2 years, not 7, which is the length of prongers entire contract… I say excellent job, about time, i would love to see them have to sign him to a 10 year 102 mil contract, that will bind them for years to come…

by Clalicata17 on Jul 21, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

OH GOD

Does this mean we have to sift through another month of “Kovy coming to NY rumors”? Please god……..shoot me now!!!!!!!!!!

by Dizzybizzy on Jul 21, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope not

NHL should just let him sign that silly contract with the Devils and let the Devils figure out how to maneuver out of that….

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by feslenraster on Jul 21, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw as per the rules, kovy is still a devil for 5 more days. If devils/nhlpa etc file a grievance he remains a devil until the decision is finalized. As of right now he is a devil and cannot talk to other teams about a contract. At least that’s how the rules came across to me when I read it last night, might be a bit off.

by teknics on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i thought it was the contract was void. the nhlpa reserves the right to file a greivance and then an arbitor can then reinstate the contract if he rules in favor of the devils? i could be off also, i am compiling what i have read on a few different sites, not what the actual rule states

by BronxBeliever on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

It becomes void once the decision is permanent, which means no chance of appeal/grievance. There’s a 5-day period to sign a grievance, once a grievance is filed an arbitrator is given 48 hours to make a determination and if he finds it to be a circumvention he then has to deliver a modified version which is acceptable. Player/team then has 5 days I believe to agree to the modified deal, if they decline he become an UFA. if no one appeals he becomes an UFA in 5 days from time of nhl’s rejection of the deal.

But like u I pieced that together from what I’ve read, so I could be off still

by teknics on Jul 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The behindthenet take on why Kovy’s deal is different:

http://www.behindthenethockey.com/2010/7/21/1579736/why-ilya-kovalchuks-contract-was#comments

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by George E. Ays on Jul 21, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

It's time to get rid of the Cap

I don’t care where Kovi ends up. But the Cap is just plain silly. Do we really need 32 teams? Is it worth losing players to other leagues because of Cap issues. Every team tries to game teh Cap. What they are going to start talking about is what is too far. The problem is that players have to take less and teams can’t keep talent, even home grown talent. [Think about Ranger issues 4 or 5 years down the road if all of the prospects pan out.] Enough already! Let’s play more games against less team.

by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Jul 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I could not agree more. At the very minimum, make it a soft cap like in baseball. I also agree that there are too many teams in this league……or at least they are placed in places people could care less about hockey. Florida is a prime example……..It is a football state, mostly ncaa, and pro comes second, baseball, tennis, wwe (LOL) and midget tossing comes before hockey does! Why does Florida need 2 teams?

by Dizzybizzy on Jul 21, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Little late to the party but...

I see three major distinguishing factors between this deal and its predecesor illegal deals:

1.) its for 17 years
2.) by the end of the deal, in all likelihood, Kovy would be making less than league minimum
3.) I think that more than any of the other deals, another team (here the Kings) can claim that, but for an illegal cap avoiding deal, they would have signed Kovy.

by Twigs on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Plus like someone said above, the diff between his highest year and his cap hit is 5.5mil, in hossas contract the biggest diff is around 2.5-2.6

by teknics on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It should be interesting to see how this plays out. Another interesting note is that we are only one year away from the expiration of the current CBA and this might be the perfect opportunity for both the League and the Union to dig their heels in a little.

by Twigs on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea it will be interesting. I think a key point will be the exact definition of circumvention as used in the CBA. does it mean “breaking a rule”? If so then it isn’t a circumvention. But if they defined circumvention somewhere within the CBA itwas probably left somewhat vague just in case something like this happened.

by teknics on Jul 21, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

2 more seasons.

On June 22, the NHLPA exercised their right to extend by one year. Expiration is now after the 2011/12 season.

by dbmaven on Jul 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

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