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Brandon Dubinsky - The man, the myth, the enigma

WASHINGTON - APRIL 18: Brandon Dubinsky #17 of the New York Rangers hits Alexander Semin #28 of the Washington Capitals during Game Two of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinal Round of the 2009 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at Verizon Center on April 18, 2009 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

 

In Part One, we looked at Ryan Callahan's numbers under the microscope, and luckily there appeared to be some clear patterns in his development, and in his role under the Tom Renney and John Tortorella regimes.  With Brandon, things aren't so easily distinguished.   In the interest of fairness, we'll be looking at the exact same stats used for Ryan, starting with a review of his boxscore numbers.

Brandon Dubinsky was the 60th overall pick in the 2004 draft, 67 picks before Ryan Callahan, and coming off of his 1st ppg season with the Winter Hawks as an 18 year old.   He is one year younger than Callahan, which should be taken into account as we review his first three years.

Year Team League GP G A PTS PPG Factor NHLE PPG 82 Game
2002-03  Portland Winter Hawks  WHL  44 8 18 26 0.591 0.29 0.171 14.052
2003-04  Portland Winter Hawks  WHL  71 30 48 78 1.099 0.29 0.319 26.125
2004-05  Portland Winter Hawks  WHL  68 23 36 59 0.868 0.29 0.252 20.633
2005-06  Portland Winter Hawks  WHL  51 21 46 67 1.314 0.29 0.381 31.240
2006-07  Hartford Wolf Pack  AHL  71 21 22 43 0.606 0.44 0.266  
2006-07  New York Rangers  NHL  6 0 0 0 0.000 1.00 0.000 20.149
2007-08  New York Rangers  NHL  82 14 26 40 0.488 1.00 0.488 40.000
2008-09  New York Rangers  NHL  82 13 28 41 0.500 1.00 0.500 41.000
2009-10  New York Rangers  NHL  69 20 24 44 0.638 1.00 0.638 52.290

We'll continue after we take the plunge.

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Whereas Callahan took his point production with him as he made the jump from the ranks of the OHL to Hartford, Brandon stumbled, posting his lowest rate since he was a 17 year old.  However, that hiccup didn't prevent the organization from moving him up the ranks anyway, where he continued his progress right where he left off, culminating with his first twenty goal season as a professional last year.  The reason for the confidence, I suspect, is because his goal scoring stayed right on track:

Year 2002-03  2003-04  2004-05  2005-06  2006-07  2007-08  2008-09  2009-10 
ES Gpg 2.702 5.694 5.246 5.129 7.966 13.000 9.000 14.261

While his WHL totals stagnated, Dubinsky's move to the AHL produced an increased scoring rate, and the subsequent move to the NHL saw a leap to where he is now, providing 13-14 ES goals (ignoring the 9 for a moment, as we'll explain later on).  One should note that until this past year, Callahan has always had the higher goal totals, which is a simple product of their respective abilities to get shots off (per game totals listed):

Dubinsky Callahan
2007-08 1.915 1.769
2008-09 2.293 2.926
2009-10 2.391 2.649

Finally, as before, let's look at the same underlying factors for Brandon:

  ZoneStart ZS Rank Shot Distance True Shooting % QualComp QC Rank Qual Team QT Rank
2007-08  64.5 2 of 14 31.6 7.1 0.011 8 of 14 0.119 2 of 14
2008-09  57.3 9 of 13 27.9 4.7 0.030 6 of 13 0.096 6 of 13
2009-10  47.6 11 of 14 28.0 7.0 0.121 3 of 14 0.244 3 of 14

As expected, we see many similarities between the two players.  Renney did the job of sheltering Dubinsky as much as he did Callahan his first year, with ridiculous zone starts and easy-ish competition.   Both have also taken on larger defensive roles over their 3 years, getting harder competition and harder ZoneStarts each year.  Finally, we see the role of luck finding it's way into Brandon's numbers when his true shooting took a massive hit, which led to the drop in goals in 2008-2009, much like Callahan's drop this past year.

One point of contention for many has been the QTeam ranks for each.  While Callahan has consistently gotten 3rd line teammates, Brandon has mostly been with the firsts, notably Jagr and Gaborik.  That is used as a consistent excuse for why Dubinsky is able to post better numbers.  Of course, with those teammates has come harder competition, a product of both Tortorella and Renney typically matching power with power.  The argument can be made that these two factors cancel out, but that's a debate that will continue long past this post.

So what conclusions do we make about Mr. Dubinsky going forward?   Well, while Callahan's production has been defined by the role the coaching staff puts him in, Dubinsky has overcome that, increasing his production no matter how often they make him start in the defensive zone, or how hard the opposition gets.  With that, his ceiling should be higher than Callahan's, potentially cementing himself as a 1st line forward in the NHL as he enters his prime years.  For him to reach his ceiling, however, it's almost all on Brandon. 

The one area he must improve, he has to find a way to get more shots.  With a difference of 50 directed shots between he and Ryan, that could mean an extra 3-4 ES goals per year.  That would put him in the 17-18 range, typical of a 1st liner in today's NHL.  The other will be finding consistency in his game, a problem that haunts both players, but for which Brandon is more notorious, given the perceived energy levels of each player on a nightly basis.

In part 3 (yes, there's more than 2 parts in a 2-player series!), we'll look at a comparison of both players on special teams, and a quick look at what their aggressive style brings to the statistical worlds.

credit for the stats to behindthenet.ca and hockeydb.com

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my brief opinion on the matter

I really like both players, and think they should remain rangers for a long time. that being said, it seems obvious to me that from a skill standpoint dubi is more talented. he has better puck handling, and showed and improved wrist shot last year. i think one of the aspects that cally surpasses him by a little is his “feel for the game”. that is just my opinion from watching them play. that being said, with the difference in talent level between them i think dubi obviously has a higher ceiling for his potential.

One thing I’ve noticed about dubi (and i’d like to see if anyone agrees with this or if i’m possibly off base here) is that i think he plays much better, and is more of a factor when he plays around the net. it seems to me that during the periods that he slumps, he has a tendency to drift out and try to be a perimeter play, i do not think that is where he excels. I noticed this (in my eyes wide disparity in his effectiveness) when he came back from his broken wrist and was on fire. He was definitely driving to the net more, and it seemed to be paying off for him.

As far as cally goes, i think there is another reason for his slight drop in goal production this year. In my mind, cally is a guy who needs to be with an elite (or at least solid) playmaker/passer to fully take advantage of his offensive ability. He developed good chemistry with gomez when they played (briefly) together two years ago, and i think that the stats would show that his production was higher (at least in percentage) with gomez than at any other time in the nhl (or with any other linemate). Once again, i could be wrong (especially about the gomez thing, it is a 2 year old memory) but that is the impression i have of the situation.

by Rags to riches? on Jul 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

i think both dubi and torts actually were talking about how he needs to drive the net more.

 I remember at the beginning of season when he was talking about what he worked on during the offseason. He was mentioning that he was practicing using his body to force a path to the inside, rather then feeling the pressure and curling to the corner which he felt he was doing too much of the previous season.

by teknics on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, two years ago Callahan really wasn’t all that productive period, 13 points in 52 games is kind of crappy. It’s quite possible though.

An oft overlooked factor of playing with Gomez is that Scott was very good at neutralizing tough minutes, so being paired with him would’ve relieved the burden of tough opponents a bit, and would’ve made it somewhat easier for Callahan to succeed at evens.

You could absolutely be right about the loss of Gomez hurting him as well. Good pickup.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 22, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

some miscommunication there

by 2 years ago i meant the year he scored 22 goals. which wasn’t this past season, but the season before. i should have been more clear on that. it was the 08-09 season that i was referring to. he was having an alright season, then he broke out and had like 8 goals in around 16-17 games. And if i’m not mistaken that coincided with when he was placed on a line with gomez, and gomez factored into most of the goals. once again if i’m not mistaken.

by Rags to riches? on Jul 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smurf, great stuff as always.

Of course, with those teammates has come harder competition, a product of both Tortorella and Renney typically matching power with power. The argument can be made that these two factors cancel out, but that’s a debate that will continue long past this post.

Can you get any leverage on this by breaking down the advanced numbers by home and away?

by NTB on Jul 22, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

There are tools in place to monitor that stuff, but it’s a pain to backtrack it. Time permitting, I’ll try to keep track of that during the year, where it’s much easier to save the game logs and matchups.

Anecdotally, last year Dubinsky had 26 points in 34 games at home, 18 in 35 on the road. Callahan had 22 in 41 at home, 15 in 36 on the road. There’s no really obvious split in the previous two years

This could be any number of things though. Maybe Dubi’s just lazy on the road. Maybe what I perceived to be Torts matching power on power is actually opposing teams doing so against us. Maybe it’s just a sample size issue. Maybe it’s nothing.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I liked the point you made about Dubs/Cally where it points to how even though they both are prone to scoring droughts, Dubs seems to disappear moreso than Cally. You can always notice Cally on the ice, even in droughts, which is a testament to his effort/high energy level. This also might explain why some people see Cally’s value as being higher than Dubs, which I don’t agree with, but can understand a little more now.

Hopefully they both take the next step and continue to be integral pieces in the NY Rangers future. Can’t wait for part 3.

by Conway on Jul 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Very true. If Dubi had the effort night in night out as Cally does he’d be an allstar. Way too often he goes for long stretches without scoring and you wonder where he is. With Cally he’d go the same stretch of games without scoring but he’s more noticable because he does all the other things that are needed to win games. With Dubi It seems like when he’s not scoring he’s not helping the team.

He just needs to be more consistent and he’ll be a good player.

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by 76 Blueshirt on Jul 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure what to think of Duby…he’s definitely got good stick handling skills and good speed, but I don’t think he has good enough vision or a smart enough hockey IQ to be a first line guy.

He’s def not the playmaker people projected him to be, but I think he could be a solid powerforward if he played a little harder a little more consistently.

Is he an eventual 25 goal/60 point guy? Yeah, I’d give him that, but is he a ever gonna be a 30+ goal/70+ point player? Ehh I don’t think so.

Looking forward to the rest…good stuff Smurf

by The Suit on Jul 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Is he an eventual 25 goal/60 point guy? Yeah, I’d give him that, but is he a ever gonna be a 30+ goal/70+ point player? Ehh I don’t think so.

I’ll give a partial spoiler of part 3 here since I finished a good chunk of it already…

Basically the jump from the ~40/50 where they are now, to even just a 60 point guy is heavily reliant on PP time and productivity. To date, neither Callahan or Dubinsky has shown a proclivity for either. So I’m not sure either can get to 60 points with the way they are currently used, Dubi’s much more likely though b/c he’s the better ES player, so he wouldn’t be as reliant on the PP points. (he could go 45/15 whereas Callahan, especially in his current role, would need to go 35/25 or even 30/30). Both are improving though, and at 23/24 respectively, there’s a chance.

Thanks, appreciate the feedback.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that the most telling part about this season

was that Dubinsky missed time with a broken wrist, and then still put up career numbers. Now while he only missed 13 games the broken wrist had to have caused some rust when he returned (because it’s not like he could practice).

I think in a full 82 game season he puts up 25 goals and 50 points. And at the end of the day I am expecting numbers akin to that from him next year (since I see him getting first line minutes).

As for him v Callahan. I have always said that Dubinsky is the better player. But I’ll wait for Smurf to diagnose that :)

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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely.

by Hoggo on Jul 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dubinsky is more talented as well, but Callahan exhibits more maturity, as of right now (he is a year older). Dubinsky needs to learn to control his emotions a little better and Torts said as much at the end of last season. I think if he does that, you should see an uptick in his consistency.

by NTB on Jul 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I also think Duby needs to step up a little more physically. There were a few too many times this season when someone received a dirty hit or the opposition steam rolled Hank with impunity and all he (and others for that matter) would have were words, which is clearly not enough…especially with someone his size

by The Suit on Jul 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd blame that on Torts

I think Torts made all these guys fear that one questionable penalty could be their last. Even late in the season, after Gabby v. Carcillo (I?), Dubi stepped up for Gabby a few weeks later. When asked about the incident, Torts went onto some rant about how guys are too quick to over react to a big hit, and said that he’d have to watch the tape. THE GUY STOOD UP FOR OUR STAR! That was the most lukewarm endorsement a coach could give. Torts doesn’t need to give him a public pat on the back, but leaving a guy hanging like that is rediculous. This is the same coach who confronted Larry Brooks in defense of WADE REDDON.

Back to Dubi. I think he has always shown skill, but this past season he was expected to produce more scoring. In the past, he played a more balanced game. He wasn’t afraid to get tied up playing the body if the hit was there. When the Rangers were struggling on offense, or late in games when they were down by a few, if Dubi couldn’t do it with his stick, he would try to do it with his shoulder. I also loved the way he wasn’t afraid to try to beat the first defender in the neutral zone, hoping to spring the odd man rush. Sometimes it worked, and when it didn’t, they still had to beat Hank. Torts obviously isn’t as big a fan of these aspects of his game, as they led to benchings and have disapeared from his game.

 Dubi is a bit of a throwback guy. He has enough size to play a true physical game, and more skill then you expect when he choses to use it. If Dubi has gotten away from the physical game himself, the staff needs to tell him to get back to it. It seems more like the coaches are the ones who are steering him away from it, they need to watch the tape, and see when his game is the most effective.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go back and watch the Tampa/Calgary Stanley Cup final if you think Torts doesn’t want his players standing up for themselves. There were 2 fights in that final series include Iginla vs. Vinny L.

And the big hit reaction by Torts is referring to the trend in the NHL last year where every big clean hit was followed with someone running the player. He’s right here too. It’s stupid. Hockey is a contact sport and these are big boys; there is no need to run someone after a big clean hit; even on a star player, it’s part of the game. A fight or a cheap shot is different, but not a big clean hit.

by NTB on Jul 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

coudnt agree more and...

Dubs stood up for Gabbs two weeks later? Big deal, he was on the ice when it happened and all he did was drop a few F-Bombs and call a few guys pus*ies….not enough in my book, not enough

by The Suit on Jul 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing my point

I think that the old Dubi would have dropped the mitts, without question. I’m not arguing that he plays as physical as he used to. I think that his lack of physical play is a result of him doing what he’s been told by the coaches.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The title of your post is blame it on Torts. And I said go back and watch the Stanley Cup finals where Torts was coach. The stage doesn’t get any bigger and fighting any more rare and there were 2 fights in those finals (that I can remember). That series was very nasty. It completely contradicts your thesis that Torts told these NYR players to avoid standing up for each other. Why would his coaching philosophy (which won him a cup) change now?

by NTB on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since he’s been in NY, he seems obsessed with discipline. Benching anyone for anything he thinks is a bad penalty. Hockey is a fast game, requiring split second decisions. Torts needs to cut guys some slack. If the take bad penalty now and again, it’s a mistake. If it becomes a habit, then discipline it. Honestly, or PP is one of our stregenths – if we get the occasional reckless penalty, so be it. Keep the opponent on their toes. It won’t win you the lady bing, but it might win an extra game or two.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding Torts changing his coaching style

I don’t know why he would. Maybe it’s cause he won a cup with an expansion team full of top draft picks, and didn’t need too much of a style. I think he’s intimidated. He doesn’t have the talent to rely on, so he’s looking for players to blame it on.

by BuckarooClub on Jul 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Duby can’t figure out when to step in and get involved and when to back down he shouldn’t be playing in the NHL…it’s not rocket science to know that when one of your teammates gets hit illegally, or when your goalie gets run through, or when your only legit scorer gets f*ed up by Carcillo, you take a stand…

The issue with Torts benching players for bad penalites is an entirely separate issue

by The Suit on Jul 24, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another great one Smurf

Quick question on these two: If Dubi doesn’t hold out last year for his contract, do you think he is wearing the “A” last season instead of Cally?

by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO, no, I don’t think one had to do with the other. I can see why it looks that way, since Torts held onto the 2nd A for a bit before giving to Prospal, but I’m not sure it mattered one way or another. As NTB said, there is a bit of a maturity issue with Dubi at times, that might have had more to do with him not wearing it.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I see Cally as the bigger leader, in the locker room & in a lead by example way. But I think Dubi will one day have the A, maybe the 2011 or 2012 season.

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by Plusch on Jul 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

assuming prospal doesn't get resigned after 2 years

Does Staal get the other A? In 2 years time I hope so. I guess maybe we should worry about getting him signed first

by Conway on Jul 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dubs

I fully expect, with a healthy season, that Brandon Dubinsky will take the next step forward and become a legit top 6 forward for the Rangers.

He has buckets of heart and determination and as the Rangers young players continue to progress, the Rangers top forwards will also improve.

I strongly believe in this kid, and I really hope the Rangers keep him, long term.

by Peterman700 on Jul 23, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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