Rangers News: Rangers Agree to Terms with Alexander Frolov
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
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TSN is reporting that the Rangers have officially announced the signing of Alexander Frolov.
"Alex is a highly skilled player who we feel will play a key role in improving our offense and play in all situations," Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather said in a statement. "He is strong competitor and has the ability to play either wing position."
Well at least he didn't say he is the "Best First Passer in the Game"
One year, 3 million dollars. I'm ok with this, they had to find some offense out there, hopefully Frolov can help, and if not, well they are only on the hook for a year, the Rangers may not have to pawn him off to Sutter in Calgary.
Have at it in the comments.
Props to PhxRanger, who posted this as well
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damn i love this roster...if only we had a #1 center we'd be pretty sick lol
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Alexander Frolov ($3.000m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.821m) / Sean Avery ($1.937m)
Derek Boogaard ($1.625m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Marc Staal ($4.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($3.325m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Steve Eminger ($1.125m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) /Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,521,667; BONUSES: $2,587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,465,833
Torts doesn’t like Dubi at center, so you’re gonna want to flip him and Prospal
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
frolov/prospal/gaborik
dubinsky/drury/callahan
avery/anisimov/zuccarello
prust/ec/boogaard
boyle
i guess it really depends on whether or not zuccarello-aasen makes the cut and who plays 1st line center.
by Wake Up Theo on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No way they jam EC on the 4th line.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Same with Dru on second
The reason EC is back is cause he played so well with Gabby last season. Maybe with a stellar camp AA passes him, but I doubt they will put him in that spot. Dru is on the way down, not up. If he spent the summer saying his prayers and eating his vitamins like a good little Hulkamaniac, he might see the third line.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite how much you despise him…Drury’s going to take a high percentage of the D-Zone faceoffs for this team, which means he’s going to see much more ice time than the 4th line.
So you’re going to see some line shifting just because of that…were he and Callahan are paired with different LWs to handle the draws.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the roster, but ...
… hard to tell what lines will look like (other than that they will change around quite a bit).
I agree that “Drury’s going to take a high percentage of the D-Zone faceoffs”
and that often means 3rd line duty, right?
So who can play 4th line center? They don’t want Anisimov, Prospal, or EC back there. Prust, Dru, and Boyle could be effective, no? Boyle was starting to get some PK time and you got to like his reach for defensive play.
Frolov — Christensen — Gaborik Prospal — Callahan
Dubinsky -
Zuccarello-Aasen — Anisimov — Avery
Prust — Drury — Boogaard / Boyle
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Prust-Drury-Boyle would work the days Booger’s not in the lineup.
When he is…you’re going to have to use Drury on the 3rd line with Callahan and ? (probably Avery, maybe Dubinsky) to take the D-zone stuff, because Booger’s a trainwreck in his own end.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
Switch Avery (LW) and Zuccarello-Aasen (RW). Would Prospal or Dubinsky be the better center for that line?
Torts seems to
like Dubi on the wing … I do too
Smurf, when Boogie is in the lineup, who centers the 4th line Center?
Avery – Dru – Cally works for me on the 3rd
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Boyle? I guess?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We just don't have room for Boyle to be honest.
I wouldn’t doubt if he was the Voros of this season.
I tend to agree with you, but I don’t have a better answer right now. I’d like to think AA won’t get 4th lined again, but I’m not entirely convinced.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
its entirely possible that sather is up to something now on the trade market. although none of us would think so, sather is probably thinking now that dubi is expendable and he could packing him with a gilroy type for another forward- wanna bring up the brad richards debate again? lol
by BronxBeliever on Jul 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Dubi now expendable? lol
It goes back to the common argument..if we’re going to give up one..we should give up Callahan, not Dubinsky.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed i guess. just never was a big EC fan.
by Wake Up Theo on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not all that exciting, hard to blame you. As Buck said though..he was brought back at least in part because of the chemistry with Gaborik.
He’s also a much better faceoff guy than he showed last year, and does have a good shootout history (again, contradictory to what he showed for us.)
He’s a solid role player that we just happen to be using in the role of a top 6 forward.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Exciting no, efficient yes. He’s a 3rd line center we can rely on to get 30 points a year, which is pretty good. We shouldn’t be using him on our 1st line.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But we will ...
… use him on the first line.
Many will say Christensen was re-signed because he showed some chemistry with Gaborik. He will be on the first line — though he’ll probably share the role with Prospal at times; the lines will not remain consistent.
The other thing about Christensen is that he has a lot of skill. Tortorella saw it and commented on it all the time. He hasn’t quite capitalized on it yet, in part because he was a smaller fish on the Penguins, and then he was a sort of a utility guy getting traded around … Thrashers, Ducks.
I’m hoping to get a big return on Christensen this year.
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i think mats z should be on gaboriks line with frolov that would be a good scring line what do you think ? i know who would play center cause all of them are wingers but it would be cool.
lohaus #54
How could that work? There would be 3 wings and no center. I do, however, think MZA should work with either gabby or frolov. The line would be incredibly fast.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
- C wasn’t as big a need as a scoring option away from Gaborik.
I’d still go with Dubi-EC-Gaborik and Frolov-Prospal-Cally/MZA to give us two lines to play against.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
3 lines if you think Avery-Anisimov-Cally/MZA will work.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Frolov and Avery
Saw some of those same highlights mentioned before with Frolov/Avery. Any chance you can dig into your bag of stats and show us the numbers when they played together. Frolov/Prospal/Avery could be intriguing. Also playing against 3rd liners, and with AA, might jumpstart Cally’s scoring.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah..the advanced stats don’t go back that far..they’re really a new phenomenoa.
Cally away from Drury will help immensely (you’ll see that when I post the last part of the Dubi/Cally stuff I’ve done). Not b/c Drury sucks, but because Drury is “always” starting in his own end.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you have any passing stats?
either by player or by team…noticed a few soccer sites have that, haven’t seen anything for hockey…would be pretty cool though
Nah…I haven’t found that either. Probably because it’s a ton of work and no one wants to put in the time to track it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
actually I got a guy who is looking for them
and has found a few. I’ll e-mail them to you Smurf. I’m sure they’re like porn to you :)
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Knowledge is Power!!
Thanks, appreciate it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I will hit you both with them
once I get this. It’s taking some serious time for him to gather it all up.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
To start? Mine would be.
Dubi-EC-Gaborik, Frolov-Prospal-MZA, Avery-Anisimov-Callahan, Boyle-Drury-Prust.
Which will look nothing like what Torts does. I Imagine Torts will start:
Frolov-Prospal-Gaborik, Dubinsky-Christensen-Callahan, Avery-Drury-MZA, Booger-Anisimov-Prust.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the 2nd version a bit better, except for the AA as a 4th line center. Torts rarely rarely plays his 4th line. Drury’s slowing down anyway, can’t he just stick him down there?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You will certainly ...
… have the opportunity to witness both versions.
Tortorella is going to try different lineups.
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had someone else to handle a defensive draw, I’d gladly put Drury on the 4th. But we don’t, and I don’t want Booger starting in his own end if we can avoid it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are our next best ...
faceoff guys?
Dubinsky and Prospal, I assume. Neither are my first choice for the defensive end. Hmmm….
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Christensen’s the best FO guy we have really (at least based on careers), but if he’s with Gaborik, they’re going to get the Off Zone starts when possible.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well, everyone loves to project lines, even I’ll do it in conversation. But it’s an exercise in futility to speculate line combos with a coach who pulls them out of a hat, and then throws the hat away.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say this, b4mv’s look good to me. Especially with Number 6 not on it.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But Torts doesn’t have all the excuses he had wtih the lineup last season, so hopefully some of that gets put to bed… hopefully.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You think this team is good?
The scoring still blows. Gabby and Frolov are the only two capable of generating chances on their own. Prospal’s a very good complimentary player, but after that it’s a major drop. Dubi is really a 2nd liner playing a 1st line spot most of the time. Cally should never be a regular on the 2nd. He simply doesn’t have enough talent. Great 3rd liner, but it’s bad if we gotta rely on him in the 2nd.
And I love Christensenn, but that’s another tipoff that this team sucks: The dude is in our top 6 in virually every mock line up. And you guys can drop Redden all you want, but he’s still on the team and Staal is not signed yet.
I like the Frolov signing a lot. But this just pushes the team from a 9th-10th finish to a 7th or 8th finish—and that’s in the shitty east. This is still a really young team with no game changers on offense besides Gabs and maybe Frolov, and young, mediocre defense.
The big dogs in the east (Wash-njd-pens-philly) will crush us. The west will eat us alive. This isn’t a good team by any stretch of the imagination.
I think it makes us really dangerous
imagine if we had another 25 goal scorer on last years team
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you Joe. I also think that last years season was a learning curve for the club and Torts. This looks like a solid, two way team with good leadership at the back end in Drury and Cally (Olympics!). We’ve got great penalty kill. Sather is building the club from the back up…fans like to build from the front, offensive end back. Hank is the center of the team. Aside from two or three games in which we totally collapsed, last year we proved that we could go toe to toe with the very best on any night of the week.
At this point I think we need to go slow and not pull too many triggers until we see what’s happening on the ice. give the team twenty games to gel and if it ain’t happening start pulling the trigger again. No Kovy’s, just another 20 – 30 goal scorer for a couple of mil.
d
exactly
And the best part is … there will be no transition period, because the entire team is basically exactly the same
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have young, mediocre defense than overpaid, old defense
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s that famous Rangers optimism!
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but I don’t think we’re heading in the wrong direction. All the best teams now were way worse off than us, and now they’re at the top (WSH/PIT). I know some of you will argue we need a #1 or 2 pick to be there, but youth is the way to go, even if we don’t win the Cup this or next year.
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree..there’s nothing bad about this signing. No…doesn’t make us cup favorites by any stretch..but adding a 20-25 goal guy for 1-year cannot be seen as a bad thing.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it makes us pretty dangerous
He will certiantly take some pressure off of Gaborik, and give some more space to guys like Anisimov, Dubinsky and Callahan
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would call it more “annoying to play against” than dangerous. The defense is going to be quite young, and for those that care about that kind of stuff…not all that physical still (unless McD steps in huge)
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
True...
a lot of times cup winners are “dangerous”…but until we get there we need to be a threat. This makes us a threat…the type of club “dangerous” teams can’t sleep against because we come with youth, energy and work ethic. These types of clubs do very well in the playoffs. It seems like there’s a pattern of having one team that everyone favored go to the cup and another team or two that nobody really expected surprising folks because of their tenacity and grit.
Once MZA gets adjusted, we’ll have 2 50-60 point scorers. This guy was the MVP of SEL as a 22 year old sophomore. That’s pretty incredible.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Niklas Nordgen was also a very good SEL player, but he didn’t make it over here.
Jan Hlavac had 51 pts in 38 games last year in the SEL.
MZA is not a lock for anything, so how about dialing down the expectations. It’s okay to be excited, but to pencil in 50-60 points already is a bit premature.
Hlavac did have a 64 point season..and was mostly a 40 point player through his prime, I’d take that for the $1.75 we’re paying MZA.
You’re right though..he’s a huge question mark..he could be anywhere from Hartford to 1st-line talent.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah ...
… we’ll have to see him make the adjustment, but I would love to see him earn a second line spot based on a smooth transition and a fired-up game. I hope so . . .
by Anders Griffen on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
In your opinion
How much do you think playing alongside Forsberg, Naslund, and Sundstrum impacted his success?
Do you mean how much did it improve him as a player, or how much did it boost his stats? If it’s the former, alot, if it’s the latter, just a little. One doesn’t win the MVP without proving his own worth.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but
Del Zotto layed the lumber a ton as a 19 year-old rookie, and Staal and Girardi are always good for a few bangers.
Here is to hoping that Gilroy steps up a little
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 27, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If he manages to bring some offense, forget the checking.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We are heading the right way
but it just means the team isn’t going to be competitive this year. I’d much rather find out if AA, Dubi and Cally are worth keeping around than watching Drury and some other overpaid FAs gimp to another 9th place finish.
My first post was in response to Torts using the line up as an excuse. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Last year’s team sucked. This year’s team is marginally better. They’re no favorites, and by no means a lock for playoffs even. Frolov gives more hope for a late seed playoff bid, but that’s about it.
I disagree, I think we’ll play better this year than last, and we have less defensive liabilities than last year, plus some more offense. We’re young, and we’ll take our lumps, and you can all call me optimistic, but I’m thinking definite playoffs and possible surprise 5 or 6 seed.
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We've seen what Cally, Dubi, and AA can do
None of them can carry a line on their own. Cally & Dubi can play well supporting the top dogs, and it’s pretty clear that AA is a making a bit of a slow adjustment, but marching forward atleast. None of those guys can offer what Frolov can THIS YEAR.
Regarding Torts and the lines, he made a big deal out of the players he had, or rather didn’t have. Now, he has a second 30+ goal guy, and plenty of supporting cast. It’s up to him to show us what kind of coach he is.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dubi can’t carry a line against #1 opponents. Against 2s and 3s he can.
Rest I agree with.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but even on the second line, he’s not enough of a threat to keep teams from keying Gabby. I like Dubi, but he’s gotta bury a few more, consistently, to be a legit #2 scoring option. Frolov buys him another season to figure out who/if he can do that.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 28, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a huge improvement - and if we can get a little bit of luck, and make a little bit of luck, we could be scary
If we keep getting the play we got from EC and Prospal, Dubi continues to adjust to wing and shows last year was a step towards becoming a regular 20+ goal guys, and MZA makes the adjustment to the NHL, we have a pretty solid lineup.
I think its unfair to expect MORE from Gabby, who had a huge season, but I think Frolov producing will keep teams from being able to key on Gabby and make it easier to stay on par with last years numbers. A second legit goal scorer should improve our offense and inspire Hank as well. You could tell from his reaction at the end of games last season he was getting really frustrated at playing a great game, and still losing by a goal. As many holes as we might have, there is nothing better then good goaltending to keep a team in the hunt.
The important thing to remember is that one extra 30 goal scorer doesn’t turn us into a skill team. The bulk of our guys need to grind to win. We can’t play hockey with teams like Wash and Pitts, but if we make it hard for them to play their game by being physical and gritty, we can hope to stay in the game long enough to let Gabby or Frolov win it for us. Looking at some of our line projections we could have Dubi, Avery, Prust and Boogy spread out accross 4 lines. While the former aren’t as imposing as the later 2, all 4 of those guys can dish it out, with their shoulders or their fists, and that’s not an exciting prospect to deal with.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And the RAF were never
going to stop the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain…..think positively – never give up! I don’t want j0ehoe building my fighting position…..
by av8trranger on Jul 27, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
they're bound to be correct 60% of the time, every time
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No no…we got rid of Sex Panther.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer London Gentleman
MATTEAU!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by stonecoldcory on Jul 27, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Black Beards Delight.
Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.
by fromthe51hate on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it’s fun and hockey is a game not to be meant to taken so seriously.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
This is a really good signing. We got a 2nd scoring option, we didn’t break the bank, and we kept the contract short. This is excellent.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Frolov one of the best off one timer's in the league?
if he was, he’ll come to the Rangers and be tops in shattered sticks
Go New York Go!
With the puck going straight to the opposing team for a break away chance.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
well at least we won't have to watch Redden cowering by the blue line anymore
…I think.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowering
Was the perfect word to use. I’ve never heard Redden described better.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This means three great things:
1. We have a good second line now.
2. 3 million dollars in cap space is eaten up.
3. Which means #6 should be moved down!! yessssssss
…I might add that Rozy is still tradable despite his 5 mill cap hit. wooo someones gone!!!…please dont be Staal
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No way it's Staal
Unless Sather plans on committing “death by fans”
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is the 2nd most unpopular comment here after any kind of criticism of Hank, but…assuming we re-sign Staal…..Sather had a pretty good off-season.
I dunno
“Staal is overrated” might top that.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This is from march of this year, odd how Staal isn't mentioned
NHL FanHouse polled 24 NHL coaches, pro scouts and color commentators over the last week. They not only were delighted to hear about our decision to honor the kind of unsung players who rarely get the spotlight, they knew exactly what we meant when we said Best Defensive Defensemen. NHL FanHouse staffers also placed their votes.
Readers are encouraged to vote in the poll and provide their supporting statement in the comments space. Here are the 12 players who received the strongest consideration from our panel.
Scott Hannan, Colorado Avalanche
Zbynek Michalek, Phoenix Coyotes
Willie Mitchell, Vancouver Canucks
Douglas Murray, San Jose Sharks
Brooks Orpik, Pittsburgh Penguins
Chris Phillips, Ottawa Senators
Robyn Regehr, Calgary Flames
Brent Seabrook, Chicago Blackhawks
Jeff Schultz, Washington Capitals
Marc-Edouard Vlasic, San Jose Sharks
Anton Volchenkov, Ottawa Senators
Greg Zanon, Minnesota Wild
This result isn’t surprising, I wouldn’t consider Staal to be the best either. Though I also wouldn’t consider about 1/2 that list to be the best either, so that’s something else.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I would be interested in knowing who the PLAYERS think are the top D-Men. Don’t know if anyone does a poll of that sort. Same interest in terms of goalies as well. Love to know who the players hate to face in net.
Joe I would agree with you. I gave Sather a solid “B” when asked to grade his off season last week, only the Boogardenstein signing is blemishing the record.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We can’t even be sure of that yet. Boogaard may still turn out to be an effective player. We also got MZA, which is probably more of a testament to NYC’s allure, rather than Sather’s negotiating skills.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
B is the appropriate grade. If Sather resigns Staal and has 1 more good offseason, i’ll consider that he’s learned how to succeed in the new NHL.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
As Dave just told me in the Banter chat
there is no way that the Rangers can re-sign Staal without dumping cap space, like Redden
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I'd think that alone makes this offseason an A.
And why can’t Torts get something out of Boogy like he did with Shelley?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
this is so amazing!
bye bye wade! hello alex!!
a 50 point minimum young hungry player that will work his ass off for a new contract. at 3 mil! this is absolutely amazing..
we have a solid set up now with 2 scoring lines.
dubi ec gabs (keep em together they did well)
frolov prospal mza (a very skilled line. good scoring threat)
avery aa cally (aa likes to play with hitters and tough guys.. good fit)
boogie drury prust (drury fits well here actually)
boyle
im pumped guys
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The only thing I disagree with is that AA “likes” to play with tough guys. I think this guy’s got the talent to put up a lot of points with better linemates.
by blueshirts1623 on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough. ive just seen interviews where he states he feels more comfortable if hes out there with protection :) lmao that can be taken the wrong way
but in all seriousness im sure hell play at his best when hes comfortable. either way we have some nice young talent. and im excited
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He skates with head down. When there’s protection out there, he doesn’t have to worry about the consequences of doing so.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely excited…..haven’t seen the interviews, but the kid’s got talent, and I’d like to see him given the chance to really open up on offense.
27-28 year old in his prime whos racked up 50 points in each of the last 5 years.
i can easily see him putting up 60 with some PP time.
theres something that turns me on about having gabby frolov prospal and mdz out at the same time on the PP
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Put Drury on the other point, and IMO, that’s a fantastic PP
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree.
and on the second unit id really like to see either gabby or AA stand infront of the net.
hopefully AA can turn into a strong power forward and can cause problems infront of the net. we could really use that
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Well..Gabby’s not standing in front of the net nor playing on the 2nd PP unit. I’m guessing you meant Dubi, but no clue.
I’d love to see Dubi-AA-MZA on the 2nd PP, with, well..i have no clue on the point because we don’t have another PP QB. Girardi and McDonagh? Gilroy? Anyone but Rozsival?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s got to be room for Cally on one of those lines, right?
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Only over MZA (who is a complete ? at this point).
He’ll get PP time, I don’t see him getting the 250 minutes he got last year though now with Frolov.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And defensively responsible
He’s probably the only forward i feel comfortable with playing the point on the powerplay with four forwards on. Mike Richards for Philly played that role, and to my knowledge they had a successful powerplay, and they didnt give up any shorthanded goals for a while.
Congrats to the Rangers and their fans
Fro really is a fantastic player and the NYR picked up a great value for only 3 million. Frolov will dazzle you with his puck possession skills and endear himself to you all with his great defensive play. I’m bummed to see him leave LA and wish him the best of success on Broadway…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
can you explain...
why your photo is buckwheat? i’m just curious. i happen to be a black guy from upstate new york raised on hockey skates and i can’t tell you how many times i had to deal with racist bullshit on and off the ice. hearing the n-word was a constant…i also took crap from blacks for playing a “white” sport…what can i say. basketball bores me to tears.
one of the most cool things about this sport has been the way it has changed over the past twenty years to be really inclusive and diverse.
this isn’t necessarily an accusation, but it does make me wonder…could just be my own baggage.
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WHAAAT
Basketball bores you?. I can understand if you say that about american football or baseball, but basketball? Blasphemous!
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man, might be the baggage. I’m Black too, from Bed-Stuy, BK. The guy might just like the pic… either way, probably not the forum for that conversation.
And, I gotta agree with Sniffer… it is ridiculous that basketball bores you.
basketball has always bored and pissed me off because it clashes with hockey season and every bar in every city plays basketball instead of hockey. everyone else in my family loves it though.
as for the picture…i don’t buy it. smells like a bullshit sense of humor for a white hockey fan to me. but hey, i’ll give the benefit of the doubt.
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im white, and personally find buckwheat hilarious. not because he’s black, but because hes funny. i find white people funny too. and asians.
isnt it just as racist to make an accusation based on an assumption that a hockey fan is white (simply due to him liking hockey) and thinks buckwheat is only funny due to his skin color?
but like hoggo said, probably not the forum for that discussion.
it is always the right time to talk about it. if you don’t want to talk about it, don’t use a minstrel figure from the days of segregation as your logo/mascot. i don’t have a responsibility to make you feel comfortable when i feel like your humor is coming at my expense. you make me feel like the brunt of your joke, i’ll make you feel uncomfortable by calling you out.
why is buckwheat funny to you as a “white guy”? sort of like the asian guy with buck teeth and a pony tail is funny? sort of like the lazy mexican guy is funny? sort of like the grinning indian is funny?
lots of people found buckwheat knee-slapping hilarious back in the day when it was illegal for my mother and father to go to school with white people. i’m first generation integrated and i was spit on and beat up for the color of my skin and i fought tooth and nail to play this sport. its one thing to say you find him hilarious, its another thing to try and come to terms with the history of racism in hockey.
and i say this being very happy and proud of how far we’ve come…we’ve definitely come a long, long way. so i’m definitely not making an accusation of anyone on this list because i’ve never had any problem at all whatsoever on blueshirt banter. even with this guy, i didn’t make an accusation but asked a question by explaining how it made me feel to be in a group of almost all white guys when someone uses a picture of a black actor from the minstrel days of segregation. usually an image like that means that the person using it has very little contact with black people on an equal footing…and i’m not talking about the one guy out of a pack of ten you go have beer with who is the buddy of the gang. i mean on an even, respectful footing. whenever i see someone with a Cleveland indian logo on their hat I wonder if they would feel comfortable wearing it on a reservation. probably not.
it makes me sad that my grandfather (who played shortstop for a spell with the Newark Eagles of what used to be called the “negro baseball leagues”) never got to see jeremy Iginla or any other of the great black hockey talent we have in the league now. there should be an asterisk next to all of babe ruth’s stats…he never hit a home run off a black pitcher.
mind you, i don’t sit around obsessing on this stuff, but it does come to mind when i see white people using images like buckwheat.
I assume you’re a big fan of Sather teknics? or is your image meant as some kind of joke?
It’s Jarome Iginla. Also, I wouldn’t mind wearing a Blackhawks jersey on a reservation. Don’t know if the Cleveland jersey is more offensive, but I’d be too ashamed to make any baseball related search to actually check. I have never seen the show with Buckwheat in it, but if he’s as racially offensive as someone wearing blackface, it doesn’t make any sense using him as an avatar.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 28, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
See, there’s your problem. You think others only see him as a funny “black” kid. I found the entire “little rascals” movie funny because it was funny, when I laugh at the white kids does that make me anti-white?
by teknics on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As for my sather image, I saw that pic the other day in a topic and couldn’t stop laughing (they said that’s the face he made when he signed booger)
I mean… Yea look at that crazy cracker, that white dude is funny as hell solely due to his skin color.
by teknics on Jul 28, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
by “little rascals” movie, are you referring to the one that was put out in 1994? Because that one was much less offensive in the racial sense than the original series. I think Voice is referring to the originals from the ‘20s ’30’s and then 50s. Back then, Buckwheat was a much more racially offensive character and was meant to be a caricature of American blacks at the time. It’s almost like using ‘Jim Crow’ as an avatar, he certainly has the right to be put off by it.
your initial question was completely valid, Voice, but I don’t think you’ll get an answer here.
That dude is a Kings fan likely just stopping by for the one comment… I doubt he’ll come back and read through all this. But you could probably stop by the Kings SBNation page and ask him if you see fit.
I think it’s called Jewels from the Crown.
Also, assuming a hockey fan is white isn’t racist, is rational. I’m sure at least 80 percent of all hockey fans are white. Assuming a hockey fan is white is just as reasonable as assuming sub-saharian African is black. It’s not based on stereotype, it’s based on actual ratios.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 28, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The fighting Irish
I am 100% Irish, Parents str8 off the boat. And if I were not drunk 98% of the time , I would find the Fighting Irish symbol VERY offensive! LOL
Hey...
you all are great and I appreciate the comments, for real. Thanks j-red, that was my point.
And I’m as excited about Frolov as most of you are and that is, after all, what does unify us on here: hockey. Race aside, I actually read an article once about how hockey is THE MOST diverse sport of the big four. We’ve got skaters from all over the world, from every continent and nationality…and i think the game only gets better because of it. Some of you are old enough to remember when everyone was howling because they thought European players would ruin the hard hitting North American style of play…instead we’ve gotten a really cool mix of the more wide open, fluid, circular play the Russians used to play and the more in your face drive to the net, make you pay the price hockey from NA.
oh...
maybe we don’t have any players from Africa…yet. just descendants. lol.
my apologies if I offended you. I don’t have a racist bone in my body, and I completely understand why his pic would be offensive, in all honesty it is offensive to more then just one race. The characterization of the original buckwheat should be offensive to everyone.
I just think there’s no need for internet confrontations that will never solve anything. If the guy is racist, he’s racist. If he’s not, he’s not. In the long run does it really matter? Whites who only like whites are out there, blacks who only like blacks, asians who only like asians, etc etc. Arguing with them doesn’t do anything except fill them with more venom.
Again, my apologies, I’m not trying to argue with you, especially since I agree with your view, sorry if I upset you or anything.
i ain’t mad at you buddy. not at all. like i said, i’ve never had any bad experience on here. i really wasn’t trying to accuse you of racism, just nip something in the bud…but i’m completely over it and know that we all have our own stories so if i say something that offends you, please let me know. not in confrontation but education.
you know what i thought was pretty cool, was how everyone rallied around Brian Burke when he lost his son, who happens to be gay, in a car crash. I was waiting for someone to make some wise ass comment and it just didn’t happen. twenty years ago somebody would have stepped out of line, for sure.
the more hockey grows in popularity, the more these things are sure to come up but rest assured you don’t owe me an apology.
peace!
d
An Added Bonus
Frolov is 8 for 22 Shootouts. Hopefully we don’t find ourself in so many now, but it’s nice to know we have an anchor is we need it.
That kinda makes hims sound like Kotalik. Did he end up scoring in shootouts once he got here?
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't beleive.........
That I have to give credit to Sather!!!!!! Great move, and a pretty good off-season. If He signs Staal he gets a B+ this summer!
yeah i agree. the only dent is the boogey signing. but other than that hes been really really good.
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and the fans are basically split on the boogard signing, so i could say maybe even an A- to an A depending on how Boogard plays
Well playing 54 games a year, fighting 9 times a year, and scoring no goals/points does not tickle me a 1.6 per.
Especially when they could’ve signed any of about 5 other tough guys for $600k.
But as Sather effectively said…we got “THE” tough guy. So that’s something.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogey is gonna earn it, just wait
Smurf, there has to be some kind of stat out there that converts fights won and malicious hits delivered vs. goals and assists. I’ll take Boogey, you get your pick of Cally or Dru. We’ll have to come up with some type of wager.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I assure you there is no “malicious hits delivered” stat. lol
I can tell you the Wild were 8-1 when he fought last year (whether or not he himself won). They were 29-20-1 total when he fought (i think that’s right)
I can also tell you his penalty differential alone is worth roughly -0.3 wins per year (which is better than Shelley, Brashear, or Orr, for what it’s worth)
I would say it’s a lock he’s a fan favorite quickly though. Hitting stuff trumps actual production every time.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was watching his hits on youtube after I followed that link to the Getzlaf hit someone posted. He gets called for a bunch of them, but they are SO worth the 2 mins. The crap he’s pulling, you know it has to make players uneasy when they are they playing against him, listening for the footsteps, in the end, I think that will help.
by BuckarooClub on Jul 27, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
but the intimidation factor plus he can absolutely level people with his hits, he is going to be an instant fan favorite when he levels one of our division rivals top players
him...
richards, carter, elias, (kovalchuk), parise, malkin, Jordan Staal, tavares, okposo, any one of those fyackers would be so perfect for me lol
Yeah, he did. Borderline interference, but whatever. He’ll get some hits, don’t get me wrong, just don’t think he’s going to do it on a regular basis.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Thats why he will be in the press box when they play skilled teams. From what I have read about him (No, I don’t see too many Wild games) He misses big hits more than he connects, can’t skate well at all, and is out of position a lot of the time
if you want to see what boogie man can do, check out his fight against david koci of the aves last year. koci basically tries to run away at the end of the fight. theres no question boogard can fight, the question is can he skate lol
by BronxBeliever on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
While we’re at it, here’s Boogie absolutely leveling Rene Bourque. Live action didn’t catch it but they show it twice in slo mo.
It might have been a little late, but he hammered him. I’m getting excited to see him in a blueshirt.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
not many players want to fight him
Other than DJ King have given Boogard a real fight persay. I agree the salary per year is insane but that is Sather for you. I went onto youtube and watch his fights over the years and the dude is one big mofo and scary.
The one positive I can attain from this signing is he will make the locker room tough by showing players tricks regarding fighting and the sense of security.
He was signed to protect against teams like the flyers by means of opposing a force on the ice to protect gabby and hank.
If he could take a mulligan on boogar, I give him an A. But this grade would be mostly for showing restraint in free agency. LMAO
im sure boogey will be just fine. i dont mind the signing i just thing its too much by about 1 mil and about 2 years 2 long, but i can deal with it
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Look at this sick Frolov goal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN_Zue4q0Ro&feature=related
Those are some nasty moves right there. Worth $3 million just for that >____>
Whaaaaat?
2k is like the definition of glitch. It was even til about 2006, but EA has been shredding them every year since NHL 07 came out. It’s a shame EA had to give up MVP baseball, but they’ve really been putting the extra effort into NHL and FIFA since then. Madden, on the other hand, I havent played since 06.
I would be much happier if you could import your franchises from one season to the next. I haven’t played a version of Madden since ‘04, because I’ve grown attached to the guys I drafted and developed up and through year 19 of the franchise.
Unless they’ve added that recently and I just don’t know about it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Madden. But going back to EA hockey , I think it was 01-03 where they said it was a “smarter version” that would not allow glitch goals or repetitive type goals……they had me sold. I bought it , took it home scored 20 goals in the 1st period on the hardest setting and traded it the next day. $50.00 down the tube.
2010 isn’t bad. There are still spots that work often, no 100% spots though.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My only real complaint on 2010 was the lack of a physics engine, which they corrected. I’m pretty fucking excited for NHL and FIFA 11
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
im an nhl10 freak… and there are a bunch of 95% spots if u know them..
either way i still think nhl 10 and fifa 10 are amazing games
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Yeah, but they are a bit complicated. You need to be moving a certain way and have a pretty good shot.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Still holding a grudge for 7 years? 2009 was great, and 2010 is even better.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No….no grudge, But i played it from 95- 2002-03 and it never changed. Another thing i hated was trying to screw with the horrible pre -settings on the puck movement. If you fired a slapshot it circled the rink twice before you could catch it. I would have to rent it before i even thought about buying it. Winning 46-0 every game got really old really fast.
It has changed alot since then. I actually started playing in 2003, and the improvements have been excellent. Ever since 2005, franchise mode has been my favorite part of any game ever.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
why dont you just stop scoring glitch goals? glitch goals generally require you to perform a specific move or shoot from a specific spot. i know all the glitch goals in nhl 10, doesnt mean i shoot for them, i play plenty of close games vs. real people on xbox live and the AI.
Ranger fans play NHL10?
It seems like I’m always playing the Blackhawks, Nucks, or Pens. Although last week I did play someone playing as the Islanders. That never happens.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Frontrunners
run rampant on NHL 10 online… The only thing that pisses me off more is when they go right to the Rangers.
hit enter too soon
the Rangers are the team I PLAY WITH.
It’s different when you are playing another person online too. There are some crazy good people on there.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was good at first. I played like 10 games, won all of them by like 3 goals. I thought I was invincible. Then I got my ass raped 6-1 by some guy playing as Jokerit.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 27, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s basically the same thing that happened to me. Saw it coming though, same thing happens with every game I play online. Think I’m awesome, go online, be humbled lol.
I still think I’m awesome, even after losing 2-0 to someone who was light years better than me today. He used Sidney and Malkin to skate circles around the awesome Rangers D.
That’s why I love these games…the realism is incredible.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it is annoying when everyone seems to skate past the majority of the rangers roster, ever actually played with Rissmiller? it’s like jerome bettis is skating around.
The players aren’t real enough IMO. There isn’t enough of a difference between an agitator like Avery and a star like Ovechkin. I can put my 3rd defensive pairing against an Washington’s powerplay and not be worried. They need to exaggerate player roles a bit more.
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 28, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The 10 games i mentioned were all online though. I thought I was close to as good as it gets. Now I know I’m pretty damn far from it. I still have a record of like 25-3 in all my games, but I know that there are people out there that make me look like a small child
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 28, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
no need to exaggerate, its not that bad. I will admit most people i play against try scoring glitch goals almost the whole game (online), and its that much sweeter when i know how to shut down most of their favorite glitches, turn it into a break, and bury it. I always wondered what a game with 2 glitchers must look like, probably does suck, but if you’re glitching it’s basically your fault.
Lines
You know Torts will change the lines up alot and we will see Frolov play with Gabby which should be exciting… and definitely on the PP
Can you issue a ?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
42 is Anisimov’s number
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Really want to give him Kotalik and Jokinen’s #?
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they should retire that one as cursed. Same goes with #6.
by WalkerNYRanger on Jul 27, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Frolov to wear a ? instead of a number.
I don’t have a good answer, so i decided to swing & miss at a funny one.
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just a thought
Other than Redden being demoted for the salary, I can foresee maybe Brian Bolye being traded for a late draft pick to ensure room. By mid-season the latest I think my humble opinion) I see Stepan and Weiss making the team.
In two years (2012) no more Rozy, Drury, Avery) and opens the roster for 3 young players to fully claim spots. I do wonder if Byers will make this team, seems like we are loaded on 3rd and 4th line players
Only way Stepan finds a spot is if he sets the world on fire in camp or in Hartford..there’s really just no room for him this year.
Weise can find a home if MZA struggles with the NA transistion or as a call-up for injuries to Prust/Boyle or somebody else in the bottom 6.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how a team using Eric Christensen as its 1st line center has no room for a talented 20 year old center. And if they don’t want to move EC, he could also replace MZA in any of these line combinations, since Prospal can play wing. Of course, Stepan would have to show he’s ready in training camp, or in Hartford and beat the necessary players out. But that is no different from any other rookie with no pro experience, except maybe someone who was one of the first 2 or 3 selections in the draft.
That’s basically what I said…unless he show’s he ready (sets the world on fire), he’s not going to have a spot.
Stepan’s also (from what I’m told) a very weak faceoff person, which puts him already at a disadvantage versus EC.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it!!
a 20 goal scorer,and god knows we need it,nothing but positives from this one ,regardless of the ridiculous negative nancy’s spouting off without any reason.
As long as playing on the big stage doesnt rattle his cage,it appears we’re garunteed 20 goals(knock on wood).
I’m liking most of the moves this season,I remember how embarrassed we all were on how soft we were last year……it was embarassing,I think slats is definatly addressing some weaknesses.
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Frolov for a year at 3mil I’m not mad at. He’s essentially holding Grachev or Kreider’s place until 2011-12 season. unless he tears it up, and the Rangers build a decent top-6 line of Frolov- Center- Gaborik at some point down the road.
exactly
he’s not taking anyones spot who could definitely come and produce this season. give step and grachev half a yr each down in hartford and let them come up for an injury or someone who isnt playing well. if frolov nets 30 this yr, all the better, if he doesnt, screw it we still have the kids coming up. theres no real downside on a 1 yr deal
by BronxBeliever on Jul 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
for the hell of it, my lines...but will mean nothing come october
dubinsky-christensen-gaborik (played well together last year a scorer/playmaker/grinder out there)
frolov-prospal-callahan (same as line one minus the whole played well together last year)
avery-anisimov-prust (artie plays best with protectors and avery and anisimov can do just that)
boogaard/byers-drury-weise (drury can center two kids and/or a goon when needed. he’ll kill penalties and win faceoffs. and hopefully, earn some of his contact by mentoring byers and weise, who are grinders who will fit in nicely here)
*Grachev and The Hobbit can spend another year in the AHL getting more NHL ready and can help in 11-12 when Prospal and Frolov come off the books. And potentially, Stepan can replace Christensen.
by brodeur hearts avery on Jul 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Redden
So what happens if the Rangers move Redden to Hartford? They still pay him his absurd contract but it doesn’t hit against the cap at all? I understand with the buy out, a percentage still hits the cap for twice the length of the contract, but moving him down doesn’t seem to have any negative implications for the Rangers….is that true?
by BestGoalSongEver on Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he has to clear waivers…if someone claims him, then he’s off. In Hartford..they out his salary but, yes, his cap hit is off. If they want him back for some reason, he would have to go through re-entry waivers, where a team can claim him and take 1/2 his cap hit (like the Stars w/ Avery). If he clears re-entry, his hit is back on. How much depends on how many days he’s here, it’s prorated from that point.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be realistic...
No one would ever claim him on his way down.
I just write it up as if it were anyone. If Souray didn’t get claimed, there’s no way Redden does, yes.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My only question...
Hypothetically speaking, let’s say he gets buried in Hartford.
I know he comes back up when the season ends; does that include passing through re-entry waivers?
Thanks RangerSmurf, great explanation…I say bury him!
by BestGoalSongEver on Jul 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
how does this look to you guys????
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Alexander Frolov ($3.000m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Vaclav Prospal ($2.100m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.821m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) (i like the all Euro line with Prospal and Frolov being interchangeable between the top two lines)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($1.850m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Derek Boogaard ($1.625m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Sean Avery ($1.937m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($4.000m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($3.325m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.750m)
Steve Eminger ($1.125m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) /Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,813,334; BONUSES: $2,850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,436,666
I think he will fit into the lineup nicely, though, most likely filling a slot on the second offensive line. Other than Gaborik no Ranger last year scored more than twenty goals so to have someone that is capable of doing so on the second unit will make a big difference. I know a lot of you are wondering if head coach John Tortorella will consider trying Frolov and Gaborik on the same line, and the answer is yes, I am almost positive he will. However, that would be foolish on Torts’ part since he would only have one scoring line instead of two.
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by Nick Montemagno on Jul 27, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
WE ARE STACKED Offense, Defense, and Grit
I think with the lines of:
Dubinsky – Christensen – Gaborik
Frolov – Prospal – Callahan
Avery – Anisimov – MZA
Prust – Drury – Boogie
I dont know about anyone else but with Anisimov and MZA on an inevitable incline in performance, this team looks great on paper.
As good as Christensen played with Gabby the last 20 or so games of the season, he was a waiver pickup last year for a reason. I hope MZA does well, but there is no guarantee. Duby, Cally, Prospal, Avery and Anisimov (for now at least) are good, maybe very good, not great. Frolov will probably be very good as well, but probably not great either.
On defense, Staal is very good, maybe excellent, Girardi is good, DZ has high potential but needs to get stronger defensively, Gilroy has similar issues, McDonagh is talented but untested, and who knows how well Rozi or Eminger will play.
All in all, a good team, but hardly a great one.
Rich Peverly was a waiver pick up for Atlanta 2 seasons ago. Last year in a full year with the team he scored 20+ and had 50+ points. Sometimes it’s the change of scenary or a system that better fits the player that allows him to prosper. EC can hopefully continue his level of play that he exhibited for the Rangers, else he may wind up on the waiver wire yet again.
For that matter, Avery is a waiver pick up (technically).
True. But neither Peverly nor Avery (and there were special circumstances in the latter case) should be a top line player on a good team. They have value, as does Christensen, but if the Rangers are going to be a good team we need someone to step up as a #1 center that can put up more than 15 goals and 50 points in a career year (essentially Christensen’s pace over his 49 games as a Ranger – not even a full year). As a 3rd or 4th liner (since the Rangers have so many good 3rd liners), no problem with Christensen. But until they can do alot better at the #1 center spot, they have a significant hole to fill. My hope is that Stepan and AA can step up and fill it, but that may be a bit much to ask at this point in their careers.
I will agree that neither player should be a top 6 guy on a good team. But, Gabby had pretty strong numbers last year. If he had a true #1 center, what would you expect his numbers to increase to? Another 20pts and he is among the tops in the league, but would a true #1 center raise his production there? I would rather keep his rate of production with EC and get more firepower on the other lines. Most championship teams have 3 lines that can score to some degree. if EC gets 50 pts and he is getting paid what 800K? thats a pretty strong return on investment.
My point of contention…50 points is not a 3rd liner in today’s NHL. If he put up 50 points, he basically justifies being classified as a top 6 player.
I think with the way Torts shuffles lines, and with the probably lack of PP time, you would have to take 35 points for EC and be happy if he gives you that while taking high level competition and outscoring while he’s on (basically, what he did last year). For $800k, thats solid value.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If Christensen puts up 50 points, he is a legitimate top 6 player, though still not a #1 center, and certainly not on a legitimate contender. But he’s never done that. His career high is 33. As a Ranger last year he was on a 44 point pace for 49 games. If AA at age 21 had done that, I’d say that was demonstration that he may be a #1 center soon. But for Christensen to do that at age 26, given his past (including a pointless 9 games with the Mighty Ducks to start the year) it shows nothing of the sort. If he can sustain that 44 point pace over a full season, something he’s never come close to doing, he’l be very valuable to the team, especially given his salary. But if he does that as the #1 center, I don’t see how that demonstrates this lineup is something to get excited about.
It’s being fudgey with the numbers..but if you take away the 1st seven games with the Rangers where EC was dicked around on the 4th line for 7 minutes a night…it’s 26 over 42 games, which is hair over the 50 point pace.
I personally don’t think he’s a #1 C. He’s a really good 3 and an ok 2.
As for being excited about the roster…it’s basically the same roster with Frolov, a roster that finished +4 last year in goal differential. If you add his 20 goals and everyone else’s production stays identical, in theory, it’s a 100 pt team (in practice, not so much). They’re young though and should see improvements from alot of players on the roster.
We’re not winning a cup, but we won’t be terrible..and the really good kids will be here soon enough to add to the excitement.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we pretty much agree – this debate started with a comment on how this team looks great on paper, which I just don’t see. What I would like to see is AA take a big step up – maybe show he’ll be a legit #1 or real good #2 center in the near future. Cally and Dubi do their real good hitting and decent scoring. Grachev and Stepan show – either in camp or during the season at Hartford – that they are ready to make a significant contribution. MZA show he belongs. Gabby and Frolov put up some good scoring numbers (and stay healthy, especially Gabby). Boogy beat people up. Avery provide some entertainment. Henry continue to be a star in goal. Staal and DZ take big steps forward. McDonagh show he’s ready. If those things happen – and Krieder continues to make progress too – those are things to get excited about. Ultimately, if the Rangers are to be a strong contender in the near future with the players they currently have in their system, it’s Gabby, AA, Stepan, Krieder, Grachev, Dubi, and maybe Cally and MZA (and Frolov if he sticks around) that have to make it happen on offense, and Staal, DZ and McDonagh (and Henry) at the other end. I don’t mean to sound too negative on EC, but really, EC, Prospal, Prust, Drury, Boyle, Byers or even Avery are not likely to have major roles if any with the next Stanley Cup winning Ranger team.
I’d agree with everyone but Prust in the final list. I think Prust has enough talent to find a reliable home on our 3rd-4th lines for a while. As long as Sather is around, they’re never going to run 4 scoring lines out there, so there will be some “toughness” around. Prust will just be filling Avery’s role as pest.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 28, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And still no #1 Center
I can’t help but see it staring at me. :(
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no more redd yes
you want to know the best part of this signing even if frolov cant score more then 15 goals its worth the 3 mil to see redd gone next rozi
If they trade Rosi
which is not inconceivable or unlikely, Redden may very well still be here. Stall basically would get Rosi’s money and frolov eats up 3 of the 4.4 mil they had to spend. Teams looking to just meet the cap floor may have an interest in a guy whose cap hit is larger than his salary
if they could actually get something out of rozi id love it but i highly doubt it..
im perfectly fine with rozi staying until his contract runs out when mcilrath can claim his post :)
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I doubt they’d be able to get anything very useful for Rozi. But I can see a team being willing to accept him for a low draft pick or a minor leaguer, which at least takes him off our cap. That said, for now I am not convinced that he is not one of our top 6 defensemen, so unless they need cap space to go after Kovalchuk if he becomes a UFA again, I don’t see much urgency to getting rid of him. And if Kovalchuk becomes a UFA again, I doubt just getting rid of Rozi will be enough to fit him in.
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Hey guys I’m in A.C. and just ran into and had about a 5 minute conversation with John Giannone(He’s a kool dude).He and I both agreed,along with everyone else that 1 year is fine.Also the tinkering is not done yet and Staal will get signed.
Hank deserves better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Stroker Ace on Jul 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree that 1 year is fine. I’d have preferred 2, since I think he will be a valuable addition, and I don’t think the Rangers have much hope of a Cup this year, with or without him. But if he does well and enjoys his time in NY this season, hopefully they can sign him to a reasonable 2 or 3 year contract then, which will keep him on the team when it has a chance to be very good.
Powerplay
I think Frolov will make the Rangers powerplay much better. Put him one the first unit wit Gabby, Drury in the middle, MDZ as the QB on the point and Redden as the 5th man (Hahahaha that’s a joke). I dont really know who would be the best option as the 5th man but that can be figured out later.
Gabby n Frolov are both snipers that will play along the borders n in the high slot. MDZ will QB n has great hands to get a pass over to either one. Drury will just need to set up shop in front of the net n bang in the rebounds. Before coming to the Rangers, Drury made his career sitting in front of the net n picking up garbage goals. Remember who had the biggest goal in the playoff series against the Sabres a few years back wit like only a few seconds left? Drury can do that again I think wit Gabby n Frolov send pucks to the net.
The only reason the Rangers signed Drury was that friggin goal he scored to eliminate the Rangers. Bastard…
Rosi (I hate to say it) and Girardi both have pretty good shots from the point (when rosi can find the net) Those are potential point men and I think with MDZ they will still need another D man out there instead of going with 4 Forwards. Rosi’s problem of course is his inability to prevent the puck from going by his stick at the blue line, and then comes the shorty.
Drury should be the garbage goal guy (as prucha was in times past) and is the best FO guy on the team.
powerplay
i always thought putting gabby at the point would do wonders for the pp…him and mdz at the points would open up the defense a whole lot…and with gabby’s shot he can score from anywhere and if you put drury, in front you can get a bunch of garbage goals which is drury’s specialty…just an idea…also frolov seems to be pretty good with the puck so now teams just can’t converge on gabby and leave everyone else open
and if gabby gets beat he has enough speed to pressure the guy on a breakaway..
id love for a few years for AA to turn into that guy who can be a nightmare infront of the net
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
i actually think gabby has an excellent slapshot but he rarely uses it cuz his wristshot is so nasty…imagine mdz feeding gabby a nice one timer and drury or aa in front screening and putting in the garbage…plus gabby being at the point will allow him to play on the pp for the full 2min if need be…i wish torts would do this
Gabby’s wrister is almost a powerful snap shot its that quick. most guys can’t get away with a wrist shot because the extra beat gives the goalie the half-beat he needs to react. it looks like frolov has the speed to keep up with gabby and the size to create room for him. could be a magic combo if they are paired on opposite wings but i doubt it will work out that way.
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Drury used to be able to do this well, but not for the past two years. I’d rather see AA at least get a shot on the power play this season, but I think either Dubinsky or Prospal would be preferable to Drury centering the 1st powerplay unit. I can see Drury on the right point if Rozi or Gilroy don’t cut it. Then they could even use Drury to take some faceoffs in that situation.
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Player 4 / Player 5 / Player 6
Player 7 / Player 8 / Player 9
Player 10 / Player 11/ Player 12
Player 13/ Player 14
Player 15 / Player 16
Player 17 / Player 18
Player 19
Player 20
I am really excited to see Player 11
Damn, you overpriced Player 10. Whom we already had last year.
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