Rangers News: Rangers Still Not Close with Staal
Unfortunately some depressing news to report on the first day of August. Restricted free agent defenseman Marc Staal is not getting any closer to agreeing on terms with the New York Rangers, reports Andrew Gross of Ranger Rants. The 23-year-old has been unsigned for exactly a month now and is not expected to ink a deal anytime soon. Sound familiar? General manager Glen Sather went through this process with Brandon Dubinsky last summer, which gives me some hope.
It doesn’t seem like getting Marc Staal signed will be one of those events over the next couple of weeks. From what I gathered yesterday, the sides are still far apart. This is also not a negotiation that will be playing out in public so, one day, Marc Staal will be signed. As I mentioned in my last blog post, John Tortorella is not looking to have Staal in training camp if the restricted free agent defenseman is not signed but Tortorella is "optimistic" a deal will be reached.
There have been all sorts of rumors and speculation floating around trying to explain why Staal has yet to re-sign, but I am not one to report things unless they are confirmed. So, as far as we know, there is something in the terms of the contract that the two parties are not agreeing on. Whether that be money, length or even both I am unsure. Personally I believe it is money and Sather will hold out until the last second before finally giving in. Again, exactly what he did with Dubinsky.
It would be a shame if Marc missed out on a good chunk of training camp and the preseason because of this. That is a player's time to start the engine up again after it has been shut-down for the summer. Staal may have to go elsewhere and do that on his own if he is not a member of club before camp begins in mid-September.
I am optimistic and think a deal will eventually get done and everyone will be happy. However, I have a strong feeling this will stretch out as long as it possibly can before they have to get something done.
What do you think? Say whatever your little hearts desire in the comments!
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I couldn't imagine,
the possibilty of sather screwing this up,they can do the haggling/waiting game or whatever,but if sather were to somehow let Staal go….??? well I dunno,it would be unbelievable.
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Cripes, let’s just get this done and move on please, boys.
4 years, $14 million. Boom. Done. What the hell is so hard about that?
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Thats nowhere near what he’s worth. Start at $4 mil. per and even that is under valueing him. I remember reading a couple weeks ago that Sather wants Staal under contract until he’s 29. By that I mean he wants him under contract 2 years past his eligibility for free agency. Marc is 23 now so that means Sather wants to lock him up for at least 6 years. I have no idea what Sather is offering but IMO he should start at 6 years $25 million.
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by 76 Blueshirt on Aug 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
start 6 years $20 million, end at 6 years $25 million.
That is a very fair deal. Basically same annual as Volchenkov as an UNRESTRICTED free agent
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
how is 6/20 going to have any chance if he turned down 4/14. that’s a low AAV and tying up free agency years.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
no shot in hell for $20M over 6. Staals gonna take about half of Reddens salary? No fuckin way
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redden salary and staals salary are completely different and one has no influence on the other—-duncan keith took about 2/3’s of Campbell’s salary as an example. Also, i said that as a starting point, meaning instead of starting at like 4/14, and i would assume basically both have roughly the same chance of being accepted. Also, i reccomended eventually finalizing a 6/25m which is more than fair
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 1, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If he got Dubinsky done
I’d think he’ll get Staal done. Seems that as soon as Staal’s side realizes they have basically no leverage, it’ll happen
his leverage is that he is the team’s best d-man, and a top-10 d-man in the league, and the team can’t move forward without him.
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Hank is the best d-man on our team. Outside of him we don’t have much. I want even argue that MDZ is more important than Staal, since we have been hurt since FOREVER by our lack of an offensive defenseman. As far as Top 10 in the league, I can think of 20 d-men I would rather have over them, let’s keep things realistic.
let's see the list then
Lundqvist isn’t a defenseman. If that’s your understanding of the game of hockey no wonder you can’t see the value of Marc Staal as a player. The guy is an excellent d-man who is looking at a long, long career in this league.
Here’s a clue as to how good Staal is—Ovechkin says that Staal is one of his least favorite d-men to play against.
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by greifi griffie on Aug 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well rfa’s can, but he is an rfa with no arbitration rights so he has little.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i fully understand his rights as an RFA
my point wasn’t that he has any legitimate leverage, he doesn’t have any real bargaining power. He is the best d-man on the team though, and he can hold out as long as he wants, eventually some team might throw an offer sheet at him.
no one knows
more than 4.5 is whats been reported
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
nooooooooo.
dont overpay, then he is no longer really that much of an asset, and we want him LONG term not short
by Ahmad Bradshaw on Aug 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sometimes we have to take the player and the agent and blame them.. obviously no one is sure whos to blame here, if anyone..
BUT!
what if staal and his agent are asking for 5.5 per? what if they are comparing him to redden/rozi, and want that much money.
as much as i love staal, hes not worth 5.5 mil without an offensive game.
now most likely its sather haggling and stretching this out like always, and i hope they can agree to something like 6 years 27 mil :)
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and Redden & Roszival are? If he wants that type of money I cant blame him since he is way ahead of both of them.
Give Staal 4.5 – 5M per year (if thats what he wants, we dont know for sure) and if a move needs to be made then take the best offer for Roszival and bring McDonagh up since it seems he will be ready for NHL competition.
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the measure
is not what we are paying Redden or what Redden could not get right now on the open market. It is that he still hasn’t done what Redden has done. He simply hasn’t. He’s never been picked as an All-Star and hasn’t helped us go deep in the playoffs. Redden was paid what he makes because of his past performance. Paychecks are not only judged by the club one skates with but by the league one plays in.
Right now his biggest claim to fame is being the kid brother of Eric and Jordan. Both of them have proven they can carry a club.
In the meantime, if he wants to make big money he should sign to a short term deal or structure a deal with bonuses for individual and team performance.
I say this really, really liking Marc Stall. I want him on the Rangers and I want him to continue on his path to becoming one of the all time greats.
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Jordan is carrying a club? I don’t think so. He’s a great two way player, but not a team carrier. I’d say that at their respective positions, Staal is better than Jordan.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 1, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The only "stud" in the family is eric
Be as much of a fan as you want, but he is the only gamechager right now. He’s one of the 5 guys I’d trade anyone but Hank for, and know we would be a better team in the next season. For the record, the other 4 are – Ovi, Nash, Kane, and malkin
by BuckarooClub on Aug 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade Hank for Ovi and Geno
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 2, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Toews, Crosby, Doughty, Zetterberg, Parise, Getzlaf are others off the top of my head.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His was “trade anyone but Hank.” So yeah, I wouldn’t trade a skater for a goalie of Hank’s caliber. (for me, the only goalie I take over Hank is Hiller in ANA, given age/contracts/skills)
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by George E. Ays on Aug 3, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Marc Staal isn’t that good, yet you completely overrate both of his brothers. Eric Staal is one of the most overrated players in hockey, and he peaked at age 21. Marc Staal continues to improve year by year, and he is a cornerstone on the NY Rangers. If you can’t see how good he is maybe you should concentrate on watching baseball or something really simple like that.
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by greifi griffie on Aug 2, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric’s one of the handful of point per game players in the league. He’s not Ovechkin, but he’s not exactly Peter Mueller either. He’s an excellent player.
Jordan’s underrated too, he puts up 40 ES points a year getting 3rd line minutes. Give him 2nd line minutes and PP time and he would probably be a 60-70 point player.
Marc of course had one fewer goal than Del Zotto and was among the league leaders on defense in ES points. He’s not very good on the PP, which is the only reason his offense doesn’t get talked about more. He progressed immensely this year.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i never said Marc Stall wasn’t that good. in fact, i said the opposite. what i did say is that he hasn’t accomplished what his brother’s have and hasn’t been around long enough to start dictating contracts. of course, he’s a different player than Jordan so stat comparisons don’t hold, but still, Jordan has had a bigger impact on his club than Marc has on ours SO FAR. I thought Jordan was older than Marc simply because he came into the league a full season before he did. Maybe if we had made the playoffs last year he would be able to demand a huge contract. But we didn’t and he’s got to share some of the blame for that.
But I like Marc and hope we sign him soon.
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I think if you put either of his brothers on this team (at the same age and all that he came on our team) they wouldn’t have accomplished anything yet either. Especially since we’d have a completely dismal D
Eric would
Eric is the pick of the litter. The guy plays without a lot of help in Carolina night in and night out and gets it done. As I said before, Eric is in an elite group of players in this league who can stay healthy, make their own goals, and make their team win.
Defensive D-men aren’t typically named to All-Star teams.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought he was third in line of the brothers. sorry. anyway, aside from saying that he carried the team, which obviously he didn’t, my point was that he has shown he can excel at that level, to not only win a cup but do damage. i’m just being honest, but i think Jordan has shown more than Marc so far. he was a finalist for the Selke last year.
but maybe you all are right in which case we shouldn’t hesitate to give him five a year for as long as he asks for.
I wouldn’t even bother with Jordan/Marc arguments personally…they’re both excellent at what they do, I’m not sure how one would actually compare them given the greatly different nature of their roles and positions.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You compare how effective they are at their positions.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And do what? Say they’re the 5th best at their job? Then you’re reliant on information from other teams and other players, and every other player you bring into the argument clouds the individual comparisons.
It can be done, but it’s mostly an exercise in futility. Just say they’re both excellent players and move on.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You say this guy is great at his job, this guy is good. If it’s a tight contest, consider them tied.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Marc is just as (I think more) to the Rangers asJordan is to the Pens imo
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In terms of importance to the team, Marc is way past Jordan. The Pens already have 2 superstar centers, Marc is our only guy.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 2, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah good point
I was thinking defensively as a center but you are right
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i understand saying eric carried a team, as i completely agree..
but how in the world can u say jordan carried a team? on that team hes a 3rd line center and PKer..
marc is much more important to us than jordan is to the penguins..
staaly deserves 4-4.5 per IMO, but id be ok with giving him motr
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You would be suprised what kind of offensive player other teams would give us if we traded Marc. People got to stop looking at his value by the amount of points he has.
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i can’t keep up with you all. funny, but i’m always the one who knows the most about hockey with everyone i hang out with. on here i feel like a dunce.
just get the kid fucking signed. we need him.
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by louielounz1 on Aug 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sure but that might make it even uglier depending on what is said in the hearing.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
NOT BOYLE! SHIIITT!!
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Give the guy 26 million over 6 years booyah done. He is the shut down defensemen for us, lets just go and screw that up now after a great offseason shall we.
by louielounz1 on Aug 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why not try short and cheap
$5.5 mil over 2 years. He gets to UFA status faster, we get a cheap d-man. If Staal becomes the shutdown guy he thinks he will be (i’m not sold) we will be rid of Rosi and Dru and he can get paid more. It also gives us a chance to see how McIllrath and McDounagh develop and if Pashinin is ready to leave the KHL. If all three of those guys are playing well, we are in a great position. Overpaying Girardi won’t make this easier to swallow, but it’s not crazy to think he would be interested. Essentially, this is what Bobby Ryan is fighting with the Ducks for – the chance to hit UFA status, and the BIG payday ASAP.
If Staal becomes the shutdown guy he thinks he will be (i’m not sold)
You may not be sold, but just about every metric that exists for such a thing says he is a top defensive d-man and a bonafide shutdown defenseman.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Staal is one of the better shutdown defensemen in the league by just about every granular stat available, plus you don’t even need metrics when we watch him shutdown some of the best snipers in the league night after night….
The only thing holding this up is Staal’s lack of leverage….with no arbitration rights and Sather claiming to match any offer sheets, the kid just doesn’t have much negotiating power…
With that said, the deal will get done. Both parties realize the need for one another. It just may take until the moment before camp, until that happens…
OK, well if he does become that guy, we have tons of funds to afford him in 2 years. We open up ALOT of cap then. If we have to pay “market price” so be it. If we get him cheap until then, it helps us. We need space NOW. I understand the thinking in long term, but I think it wouldn’t be horrible to get him really cheap for two years, and guarnatee him the payday after that.
There’s no if. He is a shutdown defender. What you worry about with having to pay him later is his offensive development. If his offensive game fully develops (his offense is underrated as is, btw), then you run the risk of having to paying him in the $5-$6m range, when you could’ve locked up those years for $4m.
I also don’t know what you mean by we need space “NOW.” We’re already assumed to be over the cap once Staal is signed, so someone else is going to be the scapegoat here, be it Rozsival or Redden. Staal’s contract isn’t really relevant to the cap issue, nor will it be next year. The difference between the cap hit for a 2 year deal and say a 6 year deal is not going to be that great…$500k-$1m, tops, not enough to greatly impact next years team.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What I mean by needing it now, is that even if we drop Rosi, Reddon or both, If we can get Staal on the cheap, it will free up some short term funds if we want to make any moves – role players, buying at the deadline (it’s good to be optimistic).
Regardless of what type of player Staal becomes, the 2 year deal is the best for everyone. Paying him more then 4.5 now, which is what he wants, is not worth it. In 2 years, if he’s the star shutdown guy people think he will be, hand him Dru’s 7 mil. If he’s not quite there but looking for a big payday, and McD, Mcll, and Pashinin are all developing nicely, maybe we move him and re-load the farm. Finally, maybe he plateau’s where he is, realizies he’s only a $4.5 per guy, and signs with us long term and that rate in 2 years.
I’m not saying get rid of Staal, or that he is hurting the team, I’m simply suggesting we give him exactly what he wants – a fast path to the biggest contract available. Out in CA the Ducks wont go short with Ryan, cause they don’t want Ryan, Getzlaf, and Perry to all come up at once. We are the exact opposite, in a few years we unload some huge contracts we have no intention of re-newing. There will plenty around to pay whatever an arbitrator awards Staal if he and slats can’t figure something out then.
K, that makes some sense. You’re still going on the assumption he’s not already a shutdown guy, but not worth the further argument.
I can’t see a situation where Staal is ever worth 7 million, he doesn’t look to be a PP guy or even developing to one, so his points ceiling is probably 35-40, rather than 50-60 that would be required to fetch that kind of money.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying I think Staal will be a $7mil guy, but I was putting it out there if he develops in a best possible scenerio for us. I wanted to show that if he somehow become Lindstrom in two years, the money is there to pay him what we have to too.
Not locking him up long term isn’t bad for us at all, because in 2 years the money will be there, and we can do it. I have no problem going to arbitration with Staal after that, because I think it’s going to hard for a player like him to get a big award. Alot of what he does doesn’t show up on a stats line.
Regarding Staal as a player, not to argue but to clarify my position, I’m just not sold yet. If he’s a “shutdown” defenseman, i’d like to see him be a bit more physically intimidating. I don’t think Marc Staal is a bad player, but alot of people are too quick to hang his number from the rafters. He’ll never be an offensive guy like MDZ, but I’d like to see him work on his shot a bit more, and hold the blue line a bit better. I also think he needs to step up his physical game – gets guys worried about being thumped when he’s on the ice. I don’t think those are unreasonable expectations, and if he can do those things I can see him having a career alot like Scott Stevens or Chelios, and then being deserving of all the praise alot of people are already giving him.
by BuckarooClub on Aug 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I do happen to agree though…if it’s really a problem..give him 2 years now, and then give the contract that eats his UFA years next time around. If Sather’s really trying for 6 years, you may as well give him 11 and take him until he’s 34.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That works. Either 2/8 or 11/50.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if it’s 2 i think he only gets 7, but yeah.
6.5+6+6+5.5+5+4.5+4+4+3.5+3+2 gives staal incentive to sign with more money up front.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he only gets 175k more than Girardi I guess it’s possible but I’d guess it’s minimum $7.5m
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
possible but less years commitment equals less AAV than otherwise. if girardi went 2 years he probably gets 2.75 tops.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Girardi's contract goes with Reddon, Rosi, and Dru
OVERPAID.
I hate slats did that before Staal, It’s one thing to overpay, its another to overpay the weaker of your two FA’s. Say what you want, but we could have brought back morris for less then dan g
But then we could be stuck
This is great for us. Get him CHEAP now. Let him be a UFA, and then pay him as a UFA when we have the cash.
He’s not a UFA in 2 years, nor is Ryan. 7 years or age 27. In both of their cases, that falls in the same year, after the 2014 season.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, he cant get RFA, but he can get arbitration, where a neutral party can deem what he’s worth – definatly not more then $4 mil per now, and prob still not more then the $5,5 mil he wants then. It works for us
by BuckarooClub on Aug 1, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think in these situations Sather knows what he is doing. We can get mad at him for dragging this out, but push come to shove, Staal holds no leverage being an RFA, and Sather knows this so he feels no rush to get it done, unless some other team throws him an offer sheet.
We just have to hope there is no bad blood when it’s all said and done because personally I want Staal to be a lifer here
by Conway on Aug 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Staal won't
be a lifer NYR, he’s going to end up playing with his brothers somewhere, probably in Carolina… i’ve heard some things going around that thats infact what he wants, to play with his brothers… I think he’s pushing for a small contract for his UFA years so he can leave NY and go play with his brothers, Carolina already has Eric and Jared (spelling) and eventually Jordan staal is going to demand a trade for more playing time, or the pens are going to move Malkin to make room for him, its a real distinct possibility that all 4 staals end up in carolina over the next 4 years…
Why would you want to play with your brothers? Siblings born that close together are usually very competitive, which means they would not want to be on the same team.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe because each of those organizations won a cup and we have sather?
by Michael Gleich on Aug 1, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
competitive nature yes, but there is a difference playing with and against, I have a younger brother whom for most of my life have been playing against, but when you play with a brother, somebody that you know really well, you have that feel for each other, you know what one is going to do before they do it… point in example the sedins… throwing a center and two wings and a shut down defensemen out there is far more superior to having the sedins… why wouldn’t he want to play with his brothers?
Twins don’t follow the same rule as normal brothers. They are either a duo, or opposites. The Sedins most likely played with each other their entire lives, and as a result, have skillsets that are dependent on one another.
And as I said before, close brothers are very competitive. You beat your brother, you don’t join him.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times did the bazillion Sutter brothers join forces? I can think of once with Trent/Duane. My memory blows however.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 1, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt that
maybe when they’re all old farts like Rob and Scott Niedermayer managed to find their way together.
Mark Staal should be a lifelong Ranger. He’s probably the best homegrown defenseman since Leetch and Zubov were here, and I’d be really pissed if he didn’t follow Leetch’s career path (not the ending of coruse).
Where did you get this info from?
and why should we beleive you?,,and the possibility of all 4 Staal brothers on the same team sounds pretty far fetched to me.
" or the pens are going to move Malkin to make room for him, " uh??? to make room for Jordan to have more ice time?, or Bringing Eric over?…either or thats ridiculous,sorry bud,I’m not buying a word of this post.
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Staal pricing himself out!
I hope the Rangers don’t sign Staal for what he’s currently asking for. 4+ million is crazy. We already have two terrible D in Rosi and Redden and 3 wrongs don’t make it right. If he is so good where are all of the offer sheets? Didn’t think so! He has 52 points in 3 seasons. I don’t want to hear about he’s a shutdown D. The only thing he is going to shut down is his career here if he keeps acting this way. The only good Staal is Eric. The rest of them live off the name that Eric has made in the league.
any offense he adds is just a bonus, he could have zero points and he would still have a lot of value.
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Ok lets leave that Hank beingabove average thing alone for a second. If you ask Hank if Staal is important he would say " bitch you crazy he is one of the best D men in the league" . Do you watch every game?
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C’MON SLATS,
GET IT DONE—YOU PALYED THE SAME CRAP WITH DUBI AND STILL SIGNED HIM. NO ONE WILL THINK YOU WEAK IF YOU GIVE IN, RATHER SMART FOR SIGNING ONE OF THE BEST YOUNG D-MEN IN THE GAME. SO LET’S CUT THE CRAP AND GET IT DONE!!!
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I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Marc was unhappy with the way Sathers treated him this offseason and no longer even wants to be a Ranger. Could the hold up be that Staal wants as short a term as possible? As an RFA with no arb rights I could def see Sather low balling him beyond comprehension all while giving out goofy ass contracts to free agents like Boog. Sather has a knack for throwing money around at free agents like theres no tomorrow all while not wanting to pay his own.
i hope you're wrong
id hate to see him punish the fans by leaving out of spite of the GM
The holdup is Staal's agent not Sather
Orr is an ass. He is the reason nothing has been done. Many feel Girardi was overpaid, don’t you think he would offer Staal, his #1 D Man good money as well? Of course he would, they are both RFA.
On another note, players don’t walk away from teams because the GM is a prick. How often does a player deal with the GM? mainly on ly negotiating contracts. After that, its the coach and staff. How many of you are going to quit your jobs because the HR people are pricks? No one, because you don’t deal with them very often.
If Staal doesn’t sign before camp, it is ultimately his fault. He hired his agent, no one else. He is not an UFA. He does not have leverage. Next go around he can demand the sky and go play wherever they will pay him most, but for now, his options are limited.

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