Rangers Analysis: Determining Marc Staal's Value

Staal is the best home-grown Ranger defenseman since Brian Leetch. He should be given every spare dollar available by the Ranger organization.

In this market, in this era, he is worth upwards of $4 million a season. Offense is so overrated out of a defenseman, and if they really wanted to improve his offense in a low-risk fashion the Rangers should play him on the second-unit power play this year.

He’s a Staal, so those skills are there…..if the Rangers had any brains they’d give him a 10-year deal.

I think Staal should get between 4m-5m. I think that would be a fair deal.

Staal is the back-bone of the defense and should be treated as such. Not Lidstrom, not Neidermayer, not Pronger…none of them were the statistical best defensive defensemen in the league…Marc Staal was. I feel he should be paid 5 for 6 years

because he knows he can command something like what boston gave chara on the open market….or maybe he really just doesn’t want to be here….or maybe he’s just disgusted looking at wade redden and thinking how much better he is making so much less

4.5-5 for 6 years sounds good to me, and assures he won’t see redden unless he’s driving through hartford en route to cape cod

Maybe if the announcers didn’t call him “the next Brian Leetch” 12 times a game, he wouldn’t expect so much. Darrelle Revis anyone? The more you kiss their ass, the more they’ll expect. He’s a very good defensemen, probably worth about 4 million per year. He might want 6 tho, the way everyone praises him.

Defensive defensemen generally seem to be overvalued. I think Behind the Net ran a post basically saying—as a given—that Volchenkov deserved around $1.5 million per season. Staal is higher, but I’d say around $3 million. That being said sometimes you just have to go with things, so I’d pay him up to around $4.5 million a season.

As I said before, I think right now Staal is worth between 4m-5m, but as joereiter said when Staal looks at Redden’s contract he realizes he can maybe get Sather into giving him more based on what Redden got and the way he is playing. Sather really shot himself in the foot with this ridiculous Redden contract.

Girardi was overpaid.

Trying to draw comparisons and value is ridiculous, when you flat out undervalue your top young players. It makes no sense to give Girardi $3.325 mil, and turn around and want to give Staal [a superior player in every right] somewhere around $3.5 mil. By overpaying Girardi, you’ve already told Staal he’s gonna be worth more.

It’s been discussed at nauseum how Staal’s numbers stack up versus Girardi’s. Not to mention how they stack up to so many other defensemen in the league. This has been done, and overdone, and overdone again. Marc Staal rightfully should be making $4 mil; and Glen Sather has himself to blame. Show a little patience, and wait for Johnson to get signed; THEN, your market for both defensemen becomes clearer.

For me, I side with Staal here. And anyone who says he should be traded is an idiot!!!

End of sermon.

So what he can expect to make in those seasons is more like 40% of his market value. He’d need to wait until he was 27 or had 7 years in the league before he would have the ability to become an unrestricted free agent. He can go to arbitration starting next year, but we’re pretty much talking 4 years before he can expect Redden money.

If you decide that his worth is 6.5 per year, then you would pay him 40% of that for the upcoming season, because he isn’t even eligible for arbitration yet. Once you’re into his arbitration years, the next three, he’d get a bit more, say 60% of his open market value. This works out so that a fair number would be 2.6 next year, which by the way is the exact number Erik Johnson signed on for two years of in St. Louis. The rest of the deal would go like this:

2010-11- 2.6
2011-12- 3.9
2012-13- 3.9
2013-14- 3.9
2014-15- 6.5
2015-16- 6.5

total: 27.3 million over 6 years, or an avg cap hit of 4.55 million. It would run out when he was 29 and ready for a big payday heading into the rest of his prime. This looks like a pretty fair deal to me.

If you look at what other ’top of the line" defensive defensemen are making, the scale really isn’t too volatile.

At the low end you have guys like Chris Phillips, Brent Seabrook, and Francois Beauchemin making $3.5 million per season. Brooks Orpik comes in around $3.75 million; Robyn Reghr comes in at $4 million, as does Barret Jackman and Zybnek Michalek; Anton Volchenkov and Keith Ballard come in just over $4 million.

I would say based on these figures Staal is worth $3.5 to $4.5 million.

The problem though is that most of these guys earned these higher salaries when they were restricted free agents with arb rights or as UFA’s. Staal is niether, therefore he doesn’t have any leverage.

Sather could technically lowball him and what is Marc really going to do about it? Is it a smart thing to do with a homegrown player? Prob not, but who’s to stop him.

I give Slats credit for trying to control Marc Staal’s long term contract value.

The term and the dollars are something that Sather has been very cautious with. I mean if you look at the current state of the NHL, who knows where the cap will be in a few years. Who knows what will become of the NHLPA if Donald Fehr takes over.

The Rangers should give Staal what he wants, then re-negotiate accordingly when the NHLPA situation becomes more clear. I don’t believe that Staal wants to play elsewhere, he seems to be proud to be a Ranger.

deserves 33 million over 7 years.
WHY?
Well he will log 22-25 minutes a game.
He plays all 82 games.
He shuts down Ovechkin 75% of the time.
He has an offensive game but gets put on the PK and never on the PP.
The last 15 games of the year Torts took the Offensive leash off and he had flashes of Leetchness.

Also…I put on MSG and see #18 files Marc Staal all the damn time. Also, as someone mentioned before me if Maloney and Rosen saying “he kinda remined me of a homegrown defensman of old on that play”. He is a solid player who still is growing come on!!

Give the kid 5.5-6 mil for 8-10 years he is an absolute stud. And if none of you remember he was a HUGE part of that late season run scoring HUGE goals either to tie or take the lead late in games, he had a 3 game goal scoring streak I believe. His offensive game is coming around which will make him one of the premier defensemen in the league within the next year or two. Whether our cap situation allows that I dont really know but they can make it work and they better because Staal is a must long term if we want to make a run for a cup in a few years.

he is very important to our team and is very good
but at times I often felt he was over hyped by fellow Ranger fans
still Staal is one of the best and is never mentioned with the other big names
it would be a major mistake not keeping Staal
MDZ is going to be real good but he is a offensive defensemen
Staal is our best defensemen and we still need to bring in another young guy but maybe McIlrath is the future player we are looking for down the road

Some fans will have a problem with his value because he doesn’t put up hugh points or throw big hits. I am good with Staal’s game the way it is and any offense is just a bonus. Sure he could have 15 more points a year and I won’t complain but that is not his main job to me.

We like to throw that word around huh???

Great would be Ray Bourque, Brian Leetch, Scott Stevens, Dennis Potvin(yuck I just threw up in my mouth), Bobby Orr, Nik Lidstrom, etc… but Marc Staal? Really Great??? Again he’s very good, but not great, not top 10 in the league. Excellent in the league would be Chiara, Pronger, Lidstrom… He hasn’t proven to be one of them so “Great” would be too strong a word.

Please let’s stick with what we know, he’s a very good, solid, young defensemen that shows a lot of promise and may one day fit the description of “Great”.

too bad the kovalchuk deal got denied.

if it didnt id sign him to a 40 year deal. first 10 years pay him 6.5 mil, next 10 4.5 mil, than the 20 after that 500k.

thts a 120 mil over 40 years, so only a 3 mil cap hit :)

or maybe a 200 year deal, with the last 180 years being 500k. thatll be like a 1 mil cap hit :)