NHL Tinkering With Rules
During this year’s NHL Research and Development camp, the NHL will be testing out roughly a dozen proposed rule changes. Of the proposed rule changes, some are designed to increase action, others are designed to increase player safety. Some are good ideas, and some are just stupid. Let’s break it down:
The Good:
- Hybrid icing: Icing will be called instantly when the puck crosses the goal line, unless there is a race for the puck. If the attacker is the clear winner of the race for the puck, then no icing is called. If the defender is the clear winner, icing will be called before touch up. This is a good compromise for both sides of the argument, as it still keeps the race for the puck as an integral part of the game, without endangering player safety.
- Verification goal line: This adds another goal line behind the current goal line, presumably to give goal judges a clearly defined line of when the puck will officially cross the initial goal line. This should lead to less lengthy replays, and hopefully less missed goals.
- Wider blue lines: I like this because it should lead to less offsides, less whistles, and hopefully a continued flow of the game. For some reason, the NHL seems to think that fans want more goals. Sure, that’s nice, but less whistles and more flow is better.
The OK:
- Second ref off the ice: I like this because it frees up some space on the ice, and may potentially lead to reverting to the one ref system. Nothing pisses me off more than the ref at center ice making a phantom call, like a hooking penalty on Chris Drury when he doesn’t even have a stick. Wow, was I heated after that one.
- Wider creases: As long as this one comes with a corollary that allows a goalie to be bumped into if he is outside of the crease, I’m all for it. However, the refs need the cojones to swallow the whistle in that scenario.
- New OT rules: There are a few variations here, but most seem to be a "countdown" style, in which OT begins 4 on 4 for a few minutes, then 3 on 3, then 2 on 2, then a shootout. There are a few different proposals, but until the NHL begins awarding three points for a regulation win, it won’t solve much.
- Face-off variations: There are a few variations here. In essence, these rules are designed to prevent teams from jumping the gun on face-offs, with the penalties ranging from moving away from the face-off dot, to your opponent choosing who your replacement in the circle is. Not bad, but what does it really accomplish?
The Stupid:
- No line change after offsides: It’s not like teams intentionally go offsides to get a stoppage. Icing sure, but offsides? Come on. Oh, and if you screw up and go offsides, the face-off comes back to your defensive zone. This is just epically retarded.
- No icing the puck while shorthanded: How else are you supposed to get a line change when killing a penalty? This is a really stupid attempt at trying to get more scoring.
- Line change zones: This won’t exactly prevent too many men penalties, and just adds more lines to an already crowded ice surface. This game is tough enough to learn without adding more stuff to the ice.
Some of the rules are legitimately good ideas designed to increase the flow of the game and others are just really stupid, but most appear to be tinkering with rules that are worth taking a look at to see if they work. In the end, it is unlikely these will be implemented at the NHL level for a few years, as generally rules go through the AHL first. Despite all these proposed rule changes, that ridiculous trapezoid still exists. Even Ranger fans want that one gone, and Henrik Lundqvist could be the worst puck handling goaltender in the league.
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I really like the wider blue lines. The count down style OT seems like it would be crazy or at least intresting to watch.
No icing while short handed- WTF you will just have 4 guys dragging ass tired who can’t even skate. It is almost hard to believe (but not really) the NHL would stoop to such levels to try to increase scoring.
At times it almost seems the NHL would be happy if the average scores on a nightly basis were 10-9. I am all for bettering the game but this is not baseball its notlike the sport isn’t freaking exciting already.
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What's on the far side in front of the bench? is that some sort of line change box?
by BuckarooClub on Aug 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
IT’s where Islander players get their cupcakes.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the purpose is to be a “safe zone,” so that an errant puck doesn’t cause a cheapy Too Many Men penalty. Or something like that.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No icing the puck while shorthanded
Better start practicing shooting the puck into the bench without sending it over the glass. what a ridiculous rule — that has to be Bettman’s genius at work — shows a complete lack of understanding of the game yet a “flair for marketing”.
might as well just give them penalty shots until they score if they were to make this a rule.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did they?
Shrink the crease in the first place? Throughout most of the 90’s it was a pretty wide semi-circle? Is it because of the “in the crease infraction that won’t be called in the most crucial game of the season” fiasco of the 1999 Finals?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
i like the wider blue lines and the icingcall but the no icing shorthanded is stupid and the ot is has to go i dont like it the way it is now. Just think we are the only sports that awards points to a team that loses a game i think ot should be 5on5 suddendeath or let it end ina tie if they dont want it to go too long during the regular season and i hate the shootout wider creases i dont mind either but i think if a goalie leaves the crease hes fair game to get hit
The loser point wouldn't be as bad
If they redistributed the points system:
3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an OT/SO win
1 point for an OT/SO loss
0 points for a regulation loss
Create an incentive for teams to win in 60 minutes knowing that playing for OT or the SO, even if your team is particularly good at the SO, is still going to cost you points.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That’s what it should be. I think the NHL likes that teams play for the shootout because it caters to the casual fan. Kind of like baseball bringing in the fences to cater to the homerun.
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 19, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
In that system though, you may as well just go to the shootout. I’d rather see:
3 Reg/OT win
2 SO win
1 OT/SO loss
0 reg. loss.
It’s a minor tweak, but winning while playing real hockey should be rewarded more than winning while playing a skills competition.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not totally against that
Although would you keep OT 4 on 4 then? I know it’s more “real hockey” than a SO since 4 on 4 normally occurs during the course of a game (to what extent I’m unsure), but it’s still a bit modified from how regulation is typically played.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm…my instincts say to leave it 4 on 4, but you have a point.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But then you have a 4 point game possibility, in the event that someone wins in OT, which poses the same problem that we see with the 3 point games.
By the way, it took me a while to figure out who the hell you were with that name switch.
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 19, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I put the Twitter in there.
And you’re right. Can we go back to the old 2-1-0 and get rid of the stupid shootout? lol
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Or just have the shootout loss be worth 0 points.
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The entertainment value of the SO
Isn’t lost on me. I’ve never seen people leave a game during it unless I presume they’re trying to catch a train. I know traditional fans don’t like it and I still think it’s akin to having a baseball game decided by a HR derby.
But like over-expansion, it ain’t going away any time soon so that’s why a re-jiggered points system helps keep fans entertained but will create some separation in the standings over the course of the season amongst good teams that can win in 60 and teams that can stick around to garner a pity point.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Thoughts
1. Hybrid Icing is good.
2. They doubled the size of the bluelines at this camp – which is too much. As of right now they are 12 inches wide, make them 18 if they wish to widen them, not 24.
3. I see no need for wider creases or face-off variations.
4. The countdown OT crap seems like more of a sham than the shootout. 2 v 2 doesn’t belong in the NHL, that stuff is pick-up jungle hockey crap. 3 v 3 I can live with, I guess.
5. Shorthanded icing will never leave the game in the foreseeable future.
6. The line-change zones are a great idea (one that Don Cherry thought up). I don’t think they need to be colored blue, just one red line coming out from the benches. Will it cut down on a lot of penalties? No, but it will cut down on key, unnecessary, too-many-men penalties that seem to always get called at the wrong time.
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This is why the NHL is a joke
How many other sports do you see constantly changing rules?
I can agree with the Icing idea and reshaping the point system. But all the other ideas are just plain garbage.
Its bad enough the refrees cant ref a game properly. Then the league is going to institute new rules for them to “adapt” too. Bettman and this shame of a competitions committee is on the fast track to ruining what is left of hockey.
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Football constantly tinkers with rules.
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets Hear one
That changes the way the field looks and how the game is actually played. In b4 Hits to the head.
The only rule I have noticed changed this year is the positioning of the officials.
Look at the ice in that pic. It looks like a joke.
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Ughh are you serious??
The past couple years the NFL has change many rules. The tuck rule, ot changes, reviews changed, the positioning of the officials as you said, and last year they changed the sideline hitting where you can now hit a person out of bounds before their feet come down in bounds. That’s a good amount in the past 5 years and I know I’m missing some.
by klh2009 on Aug 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are they major changes?
No. Replay just slows the game up a little. It doesnt affect how the Actual game is played.
The changes in football are minor compared to the ones that the NHL are trying to impose to hockey. And Yes UGGGGGH I am serious.
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Really? The tuck rule didn’t change the way the game was played? Helmet to helmet hits? Horse-collar tackles? Hair tackles?
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 20, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you just complained that the NHL is a joke for constantly changing the rules, yet you agree with 2 of the proposed major rule changes.
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by stonecoldcory on Aug 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest issues are with icing the puck while shorthanded, and the “countdown” OT, how frigging ridiculous is that?
Remember when you were a kid, and you played street hockey, and had a scenario where not enough kids were around, so you played 2 on 2, and ran all over the place? Remember how much that sucked? Yeah the NHL doesn’t.
Imagine if baseball played the 10th and 11th with 8 players, 12th and 13th with 7, 14th and 15th with 6, and so on.
It just seems like every year this league gets more “gimmicky”, just go play effing hockey. Tie game after 60? Go play another 20, unless someone scores. Nobody scores? Do it again.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
That’s what makes playoff hockey so great. The constant sudden death state of mind.
by Dave Shapiro on Aug 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ll never go constantly OT in the reg season though.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys would be worn down with a 20 minute OT
While I don’t like seasons coming down to the SO, it’s the only logical way to figure out a winner in the regular season, and keep everyone on schedule. It’s not too taxing on the players and it’s fast, so teams needing to travel after the game can get where they have to go. I think it’s important to make sure the players aren’t so fried from one game, it carries over into the next one.
I would be interested in seeing how the 3-3 works, because I think it would change the dynamic alot more then 4-4. You’d have alot more open ice, and probably on 1 defenseman on the ice. I think it would interesting.
For all the grief it gets, the SO is not the worst way to end a game. There’s ALOT more skill, and a much leveler playing field between the goalie and the shooter then their is in Soccer, and its better then watching an NFL game end on a FG. It’s a breakaway, plain and simple. Shooter vs. Goalie. Growing we’d always play “showdown” before we got off the ice at practice. It’s tough to swallow if you think the Rangers lost the season on a SO last year, but really we lost last season because of all the lousy games throughout the season we couldn’t win. The problem for us wasn’t how game 82 ended, it was games 1-81.
by BuckarooClub on Aug 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind a 10 min 4-4 then a sudden death 3-3.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 19, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to get rid of the loser charity point completely, thats the problem. How can you get rewarded for losing? I say: 2 pts for Reg. win, 1 pt. OT/SO win, 0pts for any loss.
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How can you get penalized for losing in a skills competition?
Just do 2 win, 1 tie, 0 loss. Keep the shootout so fans can feel like someone won, but take it out of the standings.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Soccer’s worse. Ties during the year, skills comp in playoffs.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I play & watch sports to see a winner & loser. Never had the mindset of “hey, we can tie today thats fine too.” Its boring and to me if you have a tie then there was no point showing up in the first place. What is exciting about a tie? Nothing good comes from ties, that is why they got rid of it
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I play & watch sports to see a winner & lose
I agree with this in the playoffs. In the regular season with 82 games, I’m fine with ties.
Also, the outcome is in many ways the least exciting part of the game, it’s the actual game. A game can be exceptionally played and end in a tie. I guess we just have a different philosophy; I can still appreciate a well-played tie game.
And if what you care about is excitement, then you need to be honest with yourself…the shootout is pretty exciting. I don’t think they belong in the NHL, but I damn sure watch them whenever I can..and that’s a lot with Center Ice.
Of course a game can be played very well and end in a tie…I’d rather see a game played very well and end w/ a decisive clear-cut outcome. And I have never had a problem w/ the shootout being apart of the game, I love it. But people want changes and I think my idea of 1 pt for OT/SO W & O for a L is the best option.
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two things...
I hate ties. It doesn’t matter if someone came back to “win a point”. It’s anti climactic and I like to see a winner. Also, I like the 3-2-1-0 Point system few of you mentioned. Winning in reg should be valued higher than an OT or shootout win. Just my opinion.
In defense of tie games
Plusch, how about the fact that unless a game is a 0-0 tie, one team had to come back and tie the game and “won” a point and the other team blew a win and “lost” a point.
Have you never watched a Ranger game in the past (pre-shootouts) where they were losing late in the third, tied it late, went scoreless in OT and walked away satisfied that at least they took a point from the game?
NTB said it perfectly below, the outcome can be the least exciting part of a game.
I dont understand what you guys mean by the outcome can be the least exciting part. I’d rather see a boring or average game where the Rangers win instead of an exciting blowout loss or a even a tight 1 goal loss. I want my team to win and any way that happens I’ll take it. Ties dont help w/ that so to answer your question about pre-lockout days, no I wasn’t exactly happy that they tied. I wished they had a chance to keep playing and earn a victory.
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I want the Rangers to win as well, but I don’t base my preferred rule changes on how they will affect my team; I try to think about the game as a whole, but I can understand your view as well.
For me, I do not need a clear-cut winner or loser. The way I see it, if the win is accomplished by any means other than 5 on 5 (or 5-4), it isn’t a true indication of which team is better. All the gimmicks to achieve a clear-cut outcome just cheapen the game for me. But, I do realize that ties are not coming back, so my preferred compromise is the 3-2-1 scoring system and leave everything as is.
I’d rather see a boring or average game where the Rangers win instead of an exciting blowout loss or a even a tight 1 goal loss.
It’s funny you mention this; wasn’t it boring hockey that contributed to Renney’s firing—Playing for the shootout late in game?
Agree to disagree. As for Renney I think the lack of results is what got him fired. Playing for the shootout is not a good strategic move as we have seen. How to avoid that? As I have said and many others have said change the Pts system. I prefer the 2-1-0 method and you like the 3-2-1 which seems to be popular here. I would gladly accept either of these. Shootout/OT wins can not hold the same weight in the standings as a regulation win
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I like that plan
Although I might still like to see us go back to 5v5 OT and keep the 2 pts for an OT win.
by BuckarooClub on Aug 19, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they can add a rule where the team wearing a blue jersey gets a goal at the start of every period
The Pens would wear
Their “It’s A Boy!” uniforms all the time.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lolz.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
How else would u kill a penalty? ooohh carry it out of your own zone…lame.
Okay the points system is fine. Sure us die hards want 3 points awarded but teams would tank and sell before 45 games are played. Not good for the nhl
by louielounz1 on Aug 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The ‘stupid’ are unbelievably stupid. I do say we should get rid of the shootout, but if it remains in the game, the point system should become more similar to soccer. 3pts for a regulation or OT winner / 0pts for a regulation or OT loss (no team should earn pts based on making it to OT). 2pts for a shootout win / 1 pt for a shootout loss.
Wow
I can’t believe you put a 2-on-2 OT under ‘OK’ and not ‘Stupid’.
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Aug 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
2 v 2 would be NUTS
You’re basically asking the guys to do wind sprints for OT
by BuckarooClub on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely the worst idea of these “experiments”…and thats saying something
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idk guys it actually works really well for a team.
what teams can put out a better 3 than gaborik, staal, and henrik?
:)
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Well Henrik alone wouldn’t be much better than any goaltender. It’s the offensive pair that will be depended on, not the goalie. That being said, Kane or Hossa with Keith would be impossible to stop. Nobody could match their speed. Crosby/Malkin with Letang would also be very hard to stop, as would be Marleau and Boyle.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 20, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
countdown ot
terrible idea, would it be stoppages every minute to get people off the ice or a penalty if they’re not off in time? either way it would wreck the flow of the game (like, say, in the opening minute if team a gets the puck deep, generates pressure….then a whistle blows it dead so it can go down to 3 on 3, or worse, two players have to skate off….this isn’t river hockey!)
at least they’re not talking about going from 3 20 minute periods to 4 15 minute quarters this time around
I am personally placing a hundred-dollar bounty on the head of Tim McCracken. He's the head coach and chief punk on that Syracuse team.
Don’t forget if you have to call a penalty 2 on 2, now they get to play 2 on 1 or even 2 on 0. Talk about funny.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Forget Countdown OT
Would just perpetuate every arena playing Europe’s Final Countdown during every OT faceoff.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Aug 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s done what Bettman has been trying to do, but couldn’t
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 20, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
How about an overtime where everyone is on the ice at the same time? All four lines of forwards, all three lines of defense, and both goalies?
Ok ok, in the Rangers case with Tortorella, all three lines of forwards
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by stonecoldcory on Aug 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys think about...
Keeping play alive even if the puck bounces off the netting above the glass behind the net?
I mean, yeah, it sounds sort of Arena League Football-ish, but it would reduce whistles and keep the flow of the game going I suppose.
Just throwing it out there, please do not call me stupid or moronic. I’m very sensitive.
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All that ridiculous crap on the ice
and the trapezoid behind the net doesnt even look out of place.
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The good is…well good.
I actually like all the OK, expect the OT format shouldn’t have a 2 on 2. 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 is good.
No icing is stupid. The middle faceoff dots are retarded. The offsides isn’t that bad of an idea, just a way to create scoring I guess, and the line change zones I actually like, keeps players aware when changing lines.
Also, they are most likely going to do less deep nets, so more room behind the net. Which isn’t a bad idea. And they’re also thinking about having clear plastic go across the top of the net to review plays and close calls easier. Those 2 rules seem completely worth it. It’s all here. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536173
Puck-Handling
I would nominate MA Fleury to be even worse than handling the puck than Hank. Tough to say since I am a Ranger fan trapped in Pittsburgh, and I see Fleury a lot more than Hank. But it almost seems that Hank knows he isn’t good, therefore he makes very conservative decisions. I’d rather have a guy like that than Fleury, who thinks he can handle the puck and attempts to do so. There are probably around 5 goals a year Fleury gives away thru either stupid decisions or just being lazy handling the puck. Its amazing how he just never sees opposing skaters bearing down on him behind the net. Almost comical…its almost like he’s drunk whenever he’s playing the puck. Like Manny Ramirez in the field.
oh yea
he’s by far the worst… i get to see both teams equally, i hate the pens… but being at U of Pitt i have no choice they are always on… fleury is a terrible puck handler, and a very overrated goalie too…
Amen
Although I think Pens fans are split down the middle on him…half of them hate him and half make excuses for him on every other goal. And when I say Hank is much better they say, well Fleury won a Cup. So what: Dilfer won a Super Bowl, doesn’t make him better than Marino. Fleury seems to have all the tools, but never seems to put the whole thing together.
by NastyNate82 on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fleury
is the worst “best” goalie in the league. I don’t see him evey night but when I do see him (15 or so games a year) he n ever looks good or even sharp.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
+ but everyone says he is a great goalie so I guess he is lights out when I don’t see and terrible when I do see.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
He’s the kind of Goalie that will make insane saves, but isn’t that good in general. He’s like the opposite of Vokoun.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Apt comparison
Vokoun seems much steadier. Fleury just seems to lose it at times, whether its concentration. A buddy of mine tried to say Hank isn’t as good…there’s no comparison to me. Wins for goalies to me are kind of like wins for pitchers; a lot of it is beyond their control. Thats why you’ll see guys like Fleury put up big win totals with rather pedestrian numbers otherwise.
I guess with the Pens team, though, Fleury is “good enough.” Jeez, if they had someone as good as Hank, they’d be way up there every year.
It’s a hidden secret in the NHL. Most goalies are “good enough.” It’s basically guys like Hiller, Lundqvist, Vokoun, Luongo, then everyone else.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably add Miller to that group
But you’re right, now that I think about it, as far as guys who are “good enough.”

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