Rangers News: Rangers Acquire Todd White in Trade with Thrashers (UPDATE)
by Nick Montemagno on Aug 2, 2010 1:39 AM EDT
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PrintUPDATE BY Joe Fortunato: Word from multiple beats is that the Rangers gave back Donald Brashear and Pat Rissmiller to the Thrashers. That is a hell of a move guys, especially since it takes Brashear's contract off the cap. Back to Nick ...
Yes it is 1:00 a.m. in the morning here in the East Coast and yes the Rangers have announced a trade this late, or shall I say this early? Michael Russo is reporting via Twitter that the New York Rangers have acquired 35-year-old center Todd White from the Atlanta Thrashers. It has not yet been unveiled what the Blueshirts have sent to Atlanta, but I will have that for you hopefully as soon as it becomes available. I highly doubt that GM Glen Sather gave up much for him anyway.
White had a below average year last season with Atlanta, only playing in 65 games and recording 7 goals and 19 assists for 26 points. This is what leads me to believe that New York may have gotten him at a bargain price, but again, those details have not been reported just yet. Regardless, White has some talent that could be put to use on Broadway. In 2008-09, Todd played in all 82 games with the Thrashers and notched 22 goals and 73 points, which are some impressive numbers for someone his age.
The Rangers are lacking in the secondary scoring department, even with Alex Frolov, but I believe White can help to improve that as long as he stays healthy. This is an interesting move to say the least and that is without even knowing what the Rangers had to give up. This makes the squad, in my opinion, a little more dangerous offensively as they will now have scoring from multiple sources.
Also worth mentioning, White has a cap hit worth $2.35 million. This must be signifying the end of Wade Redden, no?
This is all we know for now, but as I said, we will look to get the second half of the trade to you as soon as possible.
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2.35M for 26 pts from a 35 year old C? Not a good move in my eyes, takes up cap space and more importantly it takes a roster spot away from someone depending on who or what was sent back to Atlanta
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Well, put it this way. White’s contract is gone after this year, we get rid of 2 useless players, and we aren’t taking any time away from a young player. Grachev and Stepan are in no way ready, MZA plays RW and still has to get adjusted to the North American game, Byers can play the 4th line as well as Dupont, and Wiese isn’t ready either. The only log jam is between Avery, Drury, and White. And in that situation it probably is better to have competition between the 3 so maybe they can put a full effort every night. Basically, this is a good deal, White can hold us over until next year and we might actually get some production out of him.
26 pts in 65 games and the season before that 73pts in 82 games. jeez we should send him back cause he had 26 pts. he’s capable of putting up 50 something pts but we should send him back cause he put up 26 pts. I’m sure we gave up so much for a 35 year old center. god you people are so dumb.
whats more important for this team? a 35 year old C coming off a poor year w/ a sizable enough cap hit or giving that roster spot and ice time to a young player who needs to prove himself?
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i really dont see where he fits in unless boyle isnt playing and this guy plays 4th line with Boogs and Prust.
by CrazyRangerFan on Aug 2, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i also meant to say i agree with you. lol
by CrazyRangerFan on Aug 2, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
whats more important for this team? a 35 year old C coming off a poor year w/ a sizable enough cap hit or giving that roster spot and ice time to a young player who needs to prove himself?
I think this is exactly why Dudley wanted to move White. 2 years ago, Slava Kozlov, Bryan Little & The Todd tore it up on the PP. Last year, there was nothing, and White ended up in the lower regions of the depth chart. He’s still a responsible player, and I think he may be good for about 35 points.
For the Thrashers, it’s little more than a salary dump, and they probably had to give up something of value.
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….or take something with little value. Thrashers re-signed Eric Boulton a couple weeks ago… Hm. I predict a dance in a six-sided ring of fire to decide the Thrashers’ new enforcer.
What’s the word on Rissmiller?
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32 year old, mostly a career AHL’er.
In his prime years (27-29) he was good enough to be mostly an afterthought on the Sharks. Now he’s back to AHL caliber.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh. Good. That’s what the Thrashers need. More AHL caliber.
Thank you for the info, sir.
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who needs to prove them self?? Please tell me. if someone is ready to play this season then they will play. In my eyes this is a move so that it gives a younger player time to develop just like the frolov signing. Also rumor is we gave up a 4th rounder and maybe rozi idk. but this isn’t a bad trade at all
Why do we need him? We have lots of centers his level. No point in having him.
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by Scratch and Snif on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions
white
Is a solid piece, with tremendous upside (even though he’s 35) and is a lock for 40 points. Yeah he had an off year last year but check his stats he’s easily a 40 point guy.
He also pivots as a left wing (which the Rangers desperately need) and he is a very versatile player.
He isn’t taking the roster spot of a kid, he is probably guaranteeing that Boyle won’t be on the team. And in the end even if he does, I doubt we have any kids who can come in and throw up 40 pts in their rookie year.
He makes us a little bit more dangerous and a little bit more savvy. And his contract (for just this year) also probably spells the end of Redden.
Great move in my book. Relax guys lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 2, 2010 2:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
no he’s not easily a 40 point guy. he would be a 40 point guy if he were gifted top line minutes like he was in atlanta. he will be the 4th line center or cut. he’s nothing more at this point in his career.
with our state of LWs
he will see 2nd-3rd line minutes
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
again, I agree with Joe. This is a maintenance move, like opening the windows and dusting the house. It doesn’t hurt us, it looks like we’ve dumped some dead weight, and its only for a year. another strong (or at least smart) off season move. White isn’t such a pivot that he’ll take up space from a younger player. If he skates well, he’ll give us more flexibility up the middle. If he doesn’t, then the odds are at least one of the youngsters will get a chance to struggle in the big arena.
FWIW I put in R & R they are both still listed as Rangers.
by Kmp on Aug 2, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i also like this move, pending of course on what was sent to Atlanta. White is a two way player who has shown he can put up points. Yes he is old but this ranger team is fixing to be a very young team and the current veterans on the team aren’t exactly setting the best examples. Finally White is another former teammate of Gaborik, and I’m all for making him as comfortable as possible.
if i come on tomorrow and see that we traded a good prospect for this guy im gonna flip..
maybe we traded rozi, will dump redden, AND can resign staal and a solid dman for 2 mil
it will be great if rozi is gone and whites contract comes off the books next year.. than will easily have enough money to resign cally dubi AA and maybe frolov
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Salary dump for sure.
White has a cap hit of 2.3mil but is actually paid 2.6. For a team trying to hit the cap floor this is the exact opposite of what you need.
Only thing that makes sense from both sides point of view is sending back Rozi. He is due 7mil over the next 2 seasons while his cap hit is at 10mil. And his is still somewhat useful.
White is decent gamble that comes off the books next year. He is not taking any roster spot of a kid since none are ready unless you count Boyle as a kid. He has shown that he can raise his game when playing with talent (Kovy) so maybe he does the same with Gabby or Fro.
I really cant believe it is Slats who is making these moves. First of all 1am is way past his bed time and they aren’t bad moves by a long shot.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 5:59 AM EDT reply actions
Anxious for what we sent
I am hoping it is either Rozi or in my wildest dreams, Wade Redden. Salary cap-wise the Rangers would have to give up someone who is at least a $2.5 million cap hit to get back under the cap (and that leaves no room for Marc Staal’s contract). So it is likely that it is someone who is making significantly more than that and that is a small class on the Rangers: Drury, Gaborik, Rozi, Redden, Lundqvist, and Girardi. Really makes it likely that it is Rozi or Redden, doesn’t it? I am tired of speculating though, just thought I would point this out… lets hope we clear up a lot of cap space with this move. Todd White comes off as a poor man’s Chris Drury to me watching some of his goals on NHL.com and looking at his stats. Maybe he’ll fit in, either way, welcome to Broadway White.
Article explains that the Rangers will be at $62 million when they need to be under or at $59.4 million.
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Is it possible we traded Drury?
Let’s say that Slats explained that drury would face 3rd or 4th line ice time and drury accepted the trade.. could it work capwise?
and yeah i know it’s one in a billion chance but still..
Feels like we’re getting less and less room for prospects..
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could be a big contract going the other way.. altlanta need to increase their cap.
I’m hoping Drury or Redden.
Both could be possible if Slats explained the situation to them (Drury with less playing time and Redden AHL).
Let’s hope they’re on the bottle in atlanta.
But this is just my own wishful thinking =)
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One of Redden/Rozi/Drury literally has to be going the other way for this to work in the end unless its like Gaborik and Rozi for White, Byufuglien and Bogosian lol that was a joke obviously
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ugh Big Buff would be so awesome to have
maybe we’ll throw him 5 mil a season someday for putting up 20 goal seasons consecutively :p I agree this deal has to mean the end of Rozi, Redden or Boyle, as there’s really no one else from last year’s roster I would realistically imagine getting traded for White. I really don’t think Drury is going anywhere. I know all the reasons why the Drury haters would love him to be traded in this deal, but is he seriously killing us that much? I know he had a crappy year offensively but so did the entire team.
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Don’t forget about rozsival and redden ntc’s and drury nmc
by b4mv01 on Aug 2, 2010 7:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the only way for it to work is for one of them to be gone though
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by NYRangerFan718 on Aug 2, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder who they gave up...
but seems like a solid move. Only on a 1 year deal anyway. Someone with a big contract’s gotta be gone tho
I’d like to think we could’ve gotten more for him if it is actually Rozsival, but White’s money comes off next year, so it can’t hurt.
I’d not be surprised if Boyle is part of the deal either.
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I love how peopl epost negative comments without knowing if #1 the deal is official, #2 who or what is going the other way. How can anyone evaluate a deal without knowing the full details?
we're just too excited haha
White’s pricetag has to equal the end of Rozi or Redden for this to make sense. period. I’m pretty sure Drury is not going anywhere. The rest of our roster was either resigned, newly signed or stood pat, it wouldn’t make sense to trade someone we just inked so it’s gotta mean Reds or Rozi…praying praying praying!
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Another over the hill.....
DOESN’T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME.
What happens if it's a lesser contract...
like an Avery or a Brashear?
There’s just as much of a chance for that, as there is for Rosi to be moved.
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brashear & rissmiller!
well it’s brashear & rissmiller in the trade
OH THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!
Kidding…nothing but up side on this deal
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Or in other words...the "deluxe poo-poo platter."
Cap hits are a wash then..$2.3 for $2.4.
Sather pulls another rabbit out of the trade hat. It’s uncanny.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
While it’s a nice trade b/c it gets Brashear off the books, you’re making to big a deal. As the Atlanta poster said above, White was dropped way down the depth chart. So, paying him 2.4M is a waste. So, basically Atl saved 1.1M, which I’m sure they’ll use to resign Bergfors.
by NTB on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Took two zeros and turned it into a 30-35 point center, at the cost of about $1m on the cap hit.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
or white can just be cut. he probably won’t get 30-35 points without his Atlanta top line assignment
He had 27 in 65 last year getting 3rd line minutes and 2nd unit PP time.
He’s not the ridiculous 70 point player (complete anomaly), but he’s not roster chaff either.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
you know as well as i do that assists are not fantastic measures of player success. and his total relies heavily on those.
no i am not comparing white at all to the following players, but tell that to guys like Thornton, Savard, Adam Oates
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Since being a teenager, Thornton has scored no less than 20 goals a sesaon.
And I did not say assists could be used as a measure. I said they alone are not a fantastic predictor.
Definitely not a predictor, but unless I’m mistaken, there does tend to at least be a baseline of expectation. Much like Thornton is expected to provide 60 assists a year, White should be good for at least 15-20 with adequate ice time. Combined with the roughly 8 ES goals…you figure his baseline is somewhere in the 23-28 range.
Now tack on the PP goals, and you figure 30-35 points is in the range of reasonable expectation, using napkin math.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As Leetch says…there are people that make their living on passing (Gomez comes to mind as well). Given the depth of wings we have right now, I don’t see assists being a problem unless White gets stuck with Booger.
If White gets 3rd line C with Avery/Callahan or something, I don’t see him having an issue getting 30 points. It’s too early to really tell what his role will be though, so it’s also too early to really speculate what he’ll do. You could be right and he just gets demoted, freeing up the money that wasn’t free by demoting Brashear.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
What concerns me...
White for Rozsival leaves us enough space to resign Staal and still keep Redden.
UPDATE
Seems like the deal sent both Brashear and Rissmiller to Atlanta for White. Salary-wise, that evens out just about the same. But they basically dumped two guys who were never going to play a single game for the team. Great move! He had over 70 points in ’09, so he surely has some fight left in him.
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Aug 2, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions
I don't know why ATL would accept this trade...
What’s the upside for them?
Gives them two bodies instead of one. For a team that’s near the cap floor, that will allow them not to go too much over it after Bergfors and Little sign.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I just updated the story but you all seem to know already
It’s Brashear and Rissmiller
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in a nutshell – Pros: For the same $$ we dumped 2 goons who were worthless to us for a guy who used to put up 70 pts a few years ago. Cons: Takes away a roster spot from a Wolfpack hopeful.
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exactly NTB.
white will not come anywhere near useful points without the favor of having hossa or kovalchuk on his wing. hopefully he doesn’t cause too much of a logjam in hartford.
boy sather is good at cleaning up his messes sometimes. now if he could just stop making them.
boy sather is good at cleaning up his messes sometimes. now if he could just stop making them.
+1000
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I dont understand what atlanta is getting outta this deal. they save what, like 300K? theyre not even helping themselves get to the cap floor in this move. Do they expect brashear to be on the roster?
Try 1.1M, Rissmiller’s never seeing the NHL roster.
by NTB on Aug 2, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
but they still have to pay him, its not the cap hit they were worried about as they have plenty of room. in actual money its 2.6 for white and 2.4 for rissmiller and brash right?
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta still has to sigh Bergfors and Little, so I see it as more of cap dump, not actual salary dump.
by NTB on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
They have eleven top 9 forwards now. Something has to give somewhere.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
guess they werent worried enough when i said we had 10 for 9 spots, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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Atlanta lands Brashear, Rissmiller in White tradeMonday, 08.02.2010 / 9:00 AM / 2010 Offseason News
current rangers who can play center
christensen, prospal, white, drury, anisimov, dubinsky, boyle
anisimov is probably the most talented playmaker of the bunch, no way he can stay buried on the fourth li—
…..wait, tortorella is still coaching the team, isn’t he?
yep, anisimov on the fourth line sounds about right
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WHOOOOOOAAAAAA!!!
That’s an amazing deal and now the Boog move isnt as bad…im happy with this off season so far…id say we are a 6 seed with 4 seed potential.
Didn't like it at first
But now I’m excited. I’d say it’s gotta be Rosi because of his ideal cap situation to cap floor teams plus I doubt Dru would waive his NMC and no one is stupid enough to take Redden.
That being said, they must be commited to sending Redden packing to the AHL and resigning Staal. And if that is the case we have a very young blueline which is very scary & exciting at the same time. We could possibly start the season with Staal, Girardi, MDZ, Gilroy, McD & Eminger? We might have to take a step backwards to take future forwards, but it shows a commitment to building towards the future
by Conway on Aug 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What happens now?
as smurf noted above the we have 11 potential top-9 guys now, so what gives? you’d have to think that this permanently pushes prust to the fourth and seriously limits the playing time of either EC or MZA. are white, prospal and aa the top three down the middle now? is torts willing to put dru on the fourth line? could the possibilty of a aves-ec-prust fourth line actually happen (i doubt it, but with boogs sitting its poss)? there are some very interesting questions to be answered at camp now. when it comes down to it, i hope mza gets solid mins this yr over someone like ec.
I’m looking forward to Grachev-Stepan-MZA line in Hartford. They could really tear it up.
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by NTB on Aug 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like that too. We don’t need any healthy scratches in the form of yyoung or good prospects so that line in hartford sounds great.
not sure about the internet feed?
by louielounz1 on Aug 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats hoping that step can stay in the middle, but yeah that would be a serious line for us in the minors. tons of playmaking in mza and step. could we call them up as a group during the middle of the season? lol
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If anything, White will be the 4th line C before Drury. What it does do is force both Prospal and Dubinsky to LW, which should be interesting since we also have Frolov, Avery and Booger over there.
There’s another move to be made with the forwards, or Torts is going to roll 4 lines. I don’t myself see another solution.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
im thinking Dru is going to 3rd line RW and MZA is staying in hartford. Aves down to the 4th line?
Dubi-EC-Gabby
Frolov-AA-Cally
Prospal-White-Dru
Booger-Aves-Prust
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
must be because they were overwhelmed by the youth movement, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And if MZA has 8 goals in 6 pre-season games?
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
then we have yet another thing to whine about sather for since he claimed a youth movement while resigning a 35 yr old, and trading for another 35 year old
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think he goes down. We never think about it, but the Rangers also have to plan for injuries. A player waiver status could very well factor into this seasons roster decision. If we send X down, does he have to clear re-entry waivers? If yes, then you have to be really careful with who you send down b/c you’re burying them for the year.
Fair point. I think that’s a really tough sell for the Rangers brass though…you have a guy coming off an MVP year in arguably the 2nd best league in the world, and he sets the world on fire in the preseason, and you demote him?
I can’t even fathom the outrage that you’ll see.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I was more considering the media backlash.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
this is not the yankees, the media doesnt cover us too hard.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And iirc one of the reasons MZA chose here was the promise to play in the NHL. Now i am sure that is not in his contract but you send a bad message when you make a promise like that then don’t follow through on it. We kinda did it to Heinekken, though he is not in the same ‘league’ as MZA
others will be watching and listening and will remember if a similar situation comes up.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
you can argue we sort of did it to a lesser extent to gilroy by sending him down and then benching him to close the year. you are right it will send a bad message to free agents from overseas or college about coming here.
as for the argument that playing time is why he came here, if that were true he would have went to toronto and probably been a 2nd liner.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You could argure that but I would say Gilroy was given an ample chance.
I would have to dig for the article but I do remember him being quoted as saying that
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
on the other hand if ec is in the press box no one will really be crying foul except for him. it may not be the right thing to do, but not too much else does either
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
tell vinny to retire and make him an assistant coach ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
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Am i missing something its still a four line format right?
I would really love this deal if we didnt sign christensen. Now what do the lines look like:
Dubinsky – Prospal – Gaborik
Frolov – Anisimov – Callahan
Avery – White – MZA
Prust – Drury – Boogaard
Well this deal is still effective considering Redden is on his way out.
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would rather have no signed vinny since he costs more and alternates good and bad years, so he is due for a down one.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is Christensen?
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
obviously since he didnt want him here, he left him out
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats my question wheres christensen? AA is not gunna play 4th line minutes neither is our ‘a’ Prospal and White will be on the roster. By golly will robinson we have a log jam.
by louielounz1 on Aug 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think it’ll depend on who’s not pulling their weight according to Torts (which would change every day). EC will keep a spot or be scratched, and expect Booger to be a healthy scratch when we’re not playing rivals, and either MZA or White get scratched alternatively with Booger
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if mza is playing 4th line mins or being alternated as a healthy scratch he needs to in hartford playing with stepan and grachev. no point in putting someone that young and talented in a press box
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
oh for sure, I wouldn’t be surprised if MZA plays half the season in Hartford. I’m just saying the competition for all the fringe players we have is even tougher now, which should be great for their motivation to earn a spot, but I’m just worried Torts won’t be patient for some chemistry to finally start growing between players beyond Prospal + Gaborik.
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Drury's not playing 4th line
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Switch...
Cally & MZA and you have some nice skill for a 2nd line and a pain in the ass third that can pop a couple in here and there..
Sather is not done making deals
So I would hold off on potential lines and who will play where. Even Avery joked about how ridiculous it is to start making lines in his interview with Frolov last week.
lets hold off on potential lines period lol (although i am guilty of it at times also)
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
we cant even really do lines during the year since they change every other shift.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hijack!
Because it’s not worth it’s own thread but he’s been rumbled about here:
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any info on the money since it might matter with Staal?
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Not yet. Nothing in the article or on capgeek about it.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
it is 2 years at $2.6m per
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by NYRangerFan718 on Aug 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
sad
that girardi makes more than golf cart accident…
by brodeur hearts avery on Aug 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
2.6 a year? Isn’t EJ just as good as Staal? I mean the guy was on Team USA, the 1st pick overall, and he’s played well in his years in St.Louis. I think we’ll be able to sign Staal cheaper now.
His PP abilities are about the only edge he has on Staal thus far.
He’s a good player no doubt, but Staal has more difficult defensive responsibilties, and produced more points at evens than Johnson.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
in theory yes...
but, my point was that Sather, despite his evil genius ability to make trades, sucks at signings and gave Girardi more money than Erik Johnson. And Johnson is much better than Girardi and JD signed him for over .7 million less.
So, Staal can point to Girardi’s contract when negotiating.
by brodeur hearts avery on Aug 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather bought two of Girardi’s UFA years, that’s part of the reason why his contract is more than one expects. (the other is the famous Sather bump)
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible Sather isn’t done yet. Now we can really have fun with projected lines lol.
I guess Grachev isn’t getting the chance to play himself onto Broadway
by Conway on Aug 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
no way Grachev cracks left wing with all the guys we have over there right now. the possible move is him dealing out Dubi right now, which if you are doing that for less than his value to have guys as old as white and prospal on the roster, that’s awful management.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
who said i was quick to deal dubinsky? i said it was the obvious move that has been set up by sather’s moves. as regulars here are well aware i am one of the last to say trade dubi.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
answer below from smurf. you now have 5 lw’s, torts has said dubi wont play center for him and even then there are now 4 centers not counting him.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
also you have Grachev, Kreider as 2 of your top prospects who also are left wingers. not as big a deal since most of the lw’s have 1 year left on deals.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Frolov-Prospal-Avery-Boogaard. Dubinsky’s younger and better than all but Prospal, but given the contracts, he seems a likely candidate.
Callahan is a candidate also though…with Gaborik, maybe MZA, Prust, Weise…RW could jam up also.
However, Olympic reputation seems to matter in the league, so Callahan is probably considered more untouchable in the organization (and certainly among the fan base).
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s blasphemy talking about trading the less talented guy who made the olympics. for either cally or dubi the key for me is what would be coming back as with any player in a deal but on talent i trade cally first.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Frolov can play RW too, so can Boogard since it won’t matter what wing you stick “Sloth” on when you dangle the Baby Ruth bar in front of him.
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Wrong comment to read mid-drink. Too funny.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
well if Frolov goes right Dubi stays left and Cally goes? it’s musical chairs.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Sather:
were going with a youth movement quick someone name me a player that is under 23 besides mdz?
by louielounz1 on Aug 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
other than that McD is probably the only one with a shot this year.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
MZA has a shot. We could be looking at 4 under 23 playing on the roster
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If he makes the team, MZA.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ditto McDonagh if he makes the team.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
mza is 22 still- his chances of making the team are in doubt though
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s not at all true in today’s league.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
really? on this team alone we had staal, dubi, cally, girardi, aa alone who have played before they were 23.
other guys on this club in the nhl before 23. gabby, EC, frolov, drury, redden.
that’s 10 guys on one club, are they exceptions?
also Henrik and Chad Johnson I believe were both 23.
not saying all are stars or even have success but they get here quicker now.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
yes they played before they were 23 but the vast majority of the league is not under 23. that means that players who are under 23 are in the minority. setting it as a cutoff means that you are counting an exceptionally small number of players. who cares
who said anything about them being the vast majority. you said they were exceptionally rare, they arent anymore. to then argue they arent under 23 anymore is pretty funny since it then uses the fact they started younger against them since there are less spots, but ok.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yes leetchie
guys if were gonna talk about youth lets look at guys under 28, since no team has a huge number of guys under 23
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i would meet in the middle at 25-26 since most teams avg age is about 28.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
rangers 26 and under AA (22), Boyle (25), Cally (25), EC (26), Dubi (24), Prust (26), MDZ (20), Eminger (26), Girardi (26), Gilroy (26), Staal (23)
27-31 Avery (30), Booger (28), Gabby (28), Frolov (28), Hank (28)
31+ Dru (33), Prospal (35), White (35), Redden (33), Rozi (31), Biron (32)
MZA, McD obviously under 26 if they make it.
Avg age just off the top 22 listed is 27.7
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
thats not bad at all
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
True doesnt make it right. I would say quite a few were hurt developmental wise just for the sake of the salary cap
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly; Some people are just so hung up on age. They dont even consider if there person is ready.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and who exactly is trying to rush someone?
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You and the guy in the 3 row, sitting on the left. i dont know who, but I keep reading posts about ‘taking the spot of a kid’ ‘where is the youth movement’.
when it has been explained that the kids are not ready and does not serve them any purpose playing on the 4th line for 5min a night.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The “where is the youth movement” question is often in a mocking fashion, as Sather himself has said there are spots for the youth…and then he keeps jamming people into the spots those kids might fit.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Slats is just covering his ass. The problem is still those dumb ass contarcts.
Im sure there are spots or spots can be made if a kid comes in shows he can play 3rd or 2nd line minutes. But we really have none right now. So the new contracts have all been short term to give the team that flexibility next year.
EC and White to a lesser extent to me are insurance cards. Whe we signed EC we had no idea how the summer would pan out and it was a smart, cheap move to get him signed.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
no the problem is that he is still there to do what he does every year which is exactly cover his ass to try and sneak in the playoffs. this is the difference in us making a run and falling just short of 8th last year and us being embarassed finished 12th or 13th in the conference.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
See my post below. I dont think Slats is the only one driving this.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think grachev or step is ready so “blocking” them is fine, but you now have 11 forwards for 9 spots if you think mza has a real shot and 14 or 15 possible for the roster, people get blocked that way.
weise is probably ready to be a 4th line grinder player, but no spot.
mza is ready to be a 3rd liner but the combination of cap hit and number of forwards who need top 9 minutes impacts him as well. if you were going to make moves like frolov (lw) and white © there was no need to bring back 35 year old prospal
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Prospal still has trade value and you got him for nothing but a contract.
i don’t think slats is done yet so we are spinning our circles. He could also be waiting for training camp to get a better assessment.
And also, I am not convinced this is all slats doing. It has too much mess-cleaning that I cant see slats doing. And see how i brought in the word ‘mess’.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he had trade value last year, and yet we didnt trade him, did we?
this gets no better if mess is the one who takes over as he has learned the business side from slats. he is not yzerman learning from holland.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
they were trying to push for the playoffs. not saying I agree but if that was the mandate, make the playoffs then your best bet was to hold on to him. Plus not knowing what he was going to ask for as a contract after his ‘ghetto’ contract could hurt the value. Now its a know number.
Well i dont see Messier as some doe-eyed deer going to work with his uncle Slats. I think he has a pretty decent idea on how hockey is run. if anything, he learns what NOT to do.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
But this doesn’t mean bring up the youth before they are ready. The youth movement is in hartford. This upcoming season looks to be a 1 year stop-gap before the young guns arrive.
Most here realize that I think. A bottom playoff spot and some experience is a victory, IMO.
There’s another faction that tries to bring in anyone and everything to go for the Cup this year, prospects be damned, but they’re a minority.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
There's also a middle group
that thinks that not all lof the prospects will pan out and, if they do, they all won’t stay because of cap issues. To win over a long period of time, a team needs a mix.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Aug 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You rebels hold a protest once a month. I’d swear Perot is your leader.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ross Perot
What position did he play?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree and Sather is probably under extreme pressure to make the playoffs b/c the Knicks sure as hell ain’t.
You had to bring up the Knicks
Did they get Lebron?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Aug 2, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a basketball fan, so bring up the Knicks is just comical for me. But I do think it adds to Sather’s problems. He seems to be sticking to his development plan with the young guys. However, if the mandate is to make the playoffs this year, he has to make moves b/c last year’s team wasn’t good enough. So, he acquires some nice 1-year deals that will help make the playoffs this year (no clue on boogard, I guess he needs 1 screw-up every off-season), but that still allow the kids to compete for spots next year.
I’m pretty sure my head is going to explode thinking about this, but as of right now (and assuming Staal is resigned and no young players are moved), Sather’s had a pretty shrewd off-season both in the short-term and long-term development of the club.
the knicks have been a joke since 1994
we all know that, that squad was the biggest set of goons i’ve ever seen on a court – mason, oakley, starks. too bad sprewell wasn’t around in that time period, we might’ve beaten the rockets haha….
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u really shouldnt bring up the knicks if ur not a basketball fan.
if u look at their roster right now, its a definite possibility that they will make the playoffs
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Most of our contracts will be gone WHEN the kids are ready to play.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
Well said
I think Sather might have jumped the gun when it came to resigning Prospal & EC, but given what he got them for how could you blame him. Also, he couldn’t have foreseen Fro & White falling into his lap.
Have to go with the ol’ ‘hindsight is 20/20’ addage(spelling)
by Conway on Aug 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More non-White related news
ChrisKuc #Blackhawks confirm they are walking away from Antti’s Niemi’s arbitration award and have signed Marty Turco to a one-year contract.
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The site where I could find that stuff went down for the summer, so nothing immediate to find.
I don’t recall him getting 1st line time with Minnesota. However, I also don’t recall what I had for dinner Friday.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
had good faceoff stats last year 53.8%, but 2 years ago was horrible 46.6. Seems to hover around 50% rest of career. From his draw stats looks like he gets significant pk time.
He’s a PK player yeah. Under 50% overall the last 4 years…I didn’t go back further yet. Trending upwards though, so maybe he’s learning something in his old age.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m just wondering why Gaborik couldn’t tell Koivu to wait a year. He’s bringing everyone else in from the Wild apparently. lol
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
sucks for Niemi, he was awesome. I hear the Flyers are looking for a starting goalie ha….oh wait, they have 4 already.
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yeah, most likely, seeing how they’ve done nothing else this summer. dammit, i was looking forward to them being the new ottawa senators – look awesome in the reg season, tank in the playoffs.
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haha you’re right, my mistake. i think we should go after setoguchi next summer if by some miracle they somehow don’t extend his new 1 year contract….jus’ sayin…
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not me i think he was a product of playing with thornton. he showed signs of doing the cheechoo last year.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll call it now…depending on how Khabi the Drunken Goalie’s trial goes…I expect Niemi to land in Edmonton.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont get the hawks just walking. take the award and deal him, not like you couldnt at least get high picks or a good prospect for him.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. they wouldnt exactly have been in a position stregnth with other teams knowing they had to deal him, but at least get something for the cup winning netminder
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
This isgoing to be one LOOOONG month of August.
I suggest buying Eastside Hockey Manager. after 4 years of cleaning up Slats mess I just won the cup. Gaborik won the con-smyth, MDZ won the Norris and Henrik won the Veznia ;)
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Not sure how to exactly evaluate the trade since we don’t know who was given up, however, I don’t think it is a bad move considering White has only one yr left on his deal. The young guys still need to undergo evaluation at training camp, but I feel that the guys we expect to make the jump like Grachev and Stepan will spend the year developing in Hartford with the possibility of a midseason call up. We’re in a good situation since this team is right in the middle at the moment. If this season proves to be a good one and we make the playoffs with guys like Prospal, White, and Frolov, then fine. If not, we have plenty of trading chips at the deadline, which also means the kids can come up and play toward the end of the season if it turns out to be a wash. Seems like the Rangers are preparing for every possibility. At least I hope so.
how do you not know who was given up? it says at the top Brashear and Rissmiller.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger: E. Johnson. 2 yrs with Blues. 2.6 AAV ..5.2 Mil total.
Interesting.
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that’s low considering coburn got 3.2, nice move by JD and Co
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
still think staal gets over 7 mil on a 2 year?
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I do. Sather bump is powerful. Not much more though, that does change things. That’s not going to help this get done any faster though.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So now who's out of the top 12?
Many of you mention this pushes Boyle out. But Boyle was already out when Frolov entered the top 12. Top 12 with Frolov was already:
frolov-prospal-gaborik
christensen-dubinsky-callahan
avery-drury-MZA
Boogard-Anisimov-Prust
So now who comes out? MZA? Send him to the minors for one more year so white can have a lifeline?
Look, I like the white trade for one reason. It adds a guy who will normally do 40-50 pts and it only adds less than $1M to the cap, because we rid ourselves of the 1.4M hit from Brashear. Even with Brash in HFD we still took the cap hit, so yay for us, even if he only scores 30 pts we only paid 1M toward the cap for it.
The downside, is who above comes out of the lineup? Maybe we are thinking like the Yankees and assuming injuries will happen and can plug holes whenever we need to with quality fill-ins. However I was hoping those fill-ins would be guys like Wiese and Byers.
'Cause Brawndo's got electrolyes....
MZA or Boogaard
if MZA struggles or Boogaard murders someone, White will be in.
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dont think Slats is done dealing. I’m still hoping Weise and Byers can make the team, it will be tough.
to do that prust would probably have to be gone right now.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the chances Avery gets dealt are 0. torts just needs to let him be his old annoying pest self.
by blueshirts1623 on Aug 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
what team is going to take a chance on aves?
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
No, this is the move that pushes Boyle out. You assumed Boogaard would have his own roster spot, but I have a feeling he’s a timeshare (probably with MZA to start). Torts likes Prospal and Dubi at LW, so move Christensen back to center. Lines wind up looking something like this:
prospal-christensen-gaborik
frolov-drury-callahan
dubinsky-anisimov-prust
avery-white-mza/boogaard
by PowerForward on Aug 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree power
like I said above, if anything this removes Boyle from the equation. We all seem to forget about him
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
cause mentally we removed him long ago.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree...
I don’t think they will let MZA sit much. Either full time here or full time HFD. He’s too young to play half the season in the press box.
'Cause Brawndo's got electrolyes....
Sather still not done
I think he’s going to try to pawn off Drury somehow. It just doesn’t seem like Tortorella to take on all these guys and sacrifice speed and youth. We may wind up paying half his salary as dallas is paying half of Avery’s for us, but somehow I now see Drury gone.
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you should tell Drury that since he gets the final say with the no-movement clause.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Not if we waive him
Remember how it went with Avery. Even with the NMC he has no say once he clears the first round of waivers. And he would since nobody would pay him 7 mil. So then the 2nd round of waivers whoever gets him pays half and the rangers pay half. Look it up.
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NMC and NTC are different – no movement clause that Dru has means he can’t even be sent down to minors. He stays whether we like it or not.
youre right
holy cr@p you’d think by paying him that much we’d at least have given ourselves some flexibility. we gave him the world
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drury isn’t going anyway, nor should he. he’s a core part of the defensive strategy that makes all of these other moves make sense. if we deal drury we’re looking at a complete shift in on ice strategy as a club and none of the summer deals indicate this is the case. drury, staal (he’ll be back), hank, cally. this is the lock-down scenario on defense. we spent the better part of last season learning to block shots from up high and keep the puck to the outer periphery. other teams had a very tough time getting inside the hot zone around hank and rozy really progressed well in making that system work. i can remember at least five occasions when redden wasn’t able to uphold his end of that bargain though and got beat inside around the crease. MDZ had a tough time with it too…so did gilroy as i recall.
so, no, i’d be shocked if drury skates off to arizona.
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Why would we get rid of our highest scoring center? Sounds stupid to me, even if he is aging. Ideally, we need to rid ourselves of a lower-line LW, and the only thing that would get us that we can use is more depth on D or RW.
by PowerForward on Aug 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dubinsky and something(s) else for Bobby Ryan perhaps?
by PowerForward on Aug 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Where are we getting the money for Ryan?
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
why do you always have to ask questions like that? ;-)
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
At least I didn’t ask how Dubinsky = “lower line LW”
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Prospal and Frolov are ahead of him (Assuming Torts wants to use both Dubi and Prospal ar LW again.).
by PowerForward on Aug 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s still not a low line guy…we just happen to have three top 2 LWs. I don’t see them giving up the youngest of the 3 whose rights they still control after the year.
I am prepared to be disappointed on that end though.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I just meant he’ll be playing on a lower-line. I wasn’t talking about skill level. I’d love to trade off Avery, but who would have him?
by PowerForward on Aug 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dubi still finds top 6 time even with the log jam. Either he or Prospal will end up playing some center.
Maybe they’re planning on rolling 5 lines, 4 defenseman, and only Hank w/ no backup.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention there is that little thing of Anaheim has to want to participate and they did say he isnt going anywhere.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That hasn’t stopped a trade rumor yet.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is I think this a great trade for us!!
it is a win-win
if white plays bad then send him down and if he plays good then great
why in the world would Atlanta do this trade? Makes no sense
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But not nearly as much as I hate Donald Brashear. I can finally end my protest and go back to my original logo!
Why all the Hate....
for Todd White. The guy will be an asset to this team. He has experience and he is a proven scorer when given ice time. If he stays healthy, we could squeeze 40 -50 points out of this guy. If he plays the PP possibly 60. Find love because we need scoring. Its a salary dump move and White was a great return for the 2 dead bodies in Riismiller and Brash we gave them.
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we got SOMETHING 4 NOTHING
and if White happens 2 not work out then we can send him down 2 hartford and forget about him
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by NYRangerFan718 on Aug 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Relax with the expectations for White. Saying “Possibly 60 points” is just asking to hate the guy.
He’s 30 points if given 3rd line/2ndPP time. He’s less with a lesser role, maybe 40-45 if he gets more time than that.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
A guy who might put up 60 points, if given power play time
is not good enough to be given power play time by a team that has aspirations to at least contend to win the division.
(I hate him from back in his college hockey days, nothing to do with this trade. Thrilled to be rid of Brashear, like I said above.)
Err…Frolov won’t put up 60 without PP time…is he not good enough to be given that time?
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
so that means we are going to have a one man pp since we dont have anyone outside of gabby who will put up 60 without it and most except maybe 2 wont with it.
by Michael Gleich on Aug 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
he got Donald off the books. And in a pinch White can come off the books also, nice job Sather.
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yeah can't fault him for that, but he is still covering his own ass
and that’s the root of it all- he just keeps fixing his own problems. I mean hey, in the past few years no one else on the team has truly broken out successfully besides Gabby and Hank, so I’d say given our current history over the last decade, we’re still a work in progress and will continue to be one until we really know for sure we have a quality core. For all we know MDZ could have a soph slump and everyone will hate on him, Cally could get hurt trying to check Chara again, etc etc. Sather’s done enough right now to bring in band-aid players in case things get rough for our “youth movement core” so let’s see how they do this year and if they suck then at least we know we’ve got a decent crop of kids waiting in the wings in the next few years.
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WOW
I can’t beleive slats was able to trade away brashear,downright amazing.I woulda been happy if we took a box of rocks to get rid of brashear!!!
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I was happy
paying him to not play for the rangers after we signed him and suited him up for the first couple of months.
god i hate that guy
Great move
And I guess since White’s contract was signed before he turned 35 we can send him down to the minors and have no cap hit. I love the move. I don’t know how, but Sather does it again.
well yes but he’s not sending both redden and white to the minors, so lets keep focusin all our prayers on redden and see what white can do
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My take
the Rangers get a capable two way center, veteran for crap.
I can’t see how this is a bad deal.
The Thrashers have already announced that they will buy out Brashear’s remaining contract.
I like the trade, quite a bit actually.
White is a good player, not great…he can only help the Rangers lack of a playmaker.
For 1 mil more on the cap hit
This is a bargain. A capable penalty killing veteran that can only help our young with the fundamentals.
The fact that he can put up some points is a plus, and i’m incredibly pleased i won’t be seeing huggy bear in a Ranger’s afilliate jersey
I’m thinking this is a move to create competition come training camp time. Kind of to show people that there are other people ready to take your job if you don’t get your shit together. It can only help the quality of play. Good move, Slats.
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You guys are over analyzing this
White’s SALARY is 2.6 mil this year, cap hit only 2.375. Rangers make money, Thrashers lose money. White had offseason shoulder surgery and therefore cannot be waived outright. They can however buy out brashear, cheaper than buying out White. Rissmiller will play in AHL.
This move eliminates Brashears contract (absolutely amazing that Slats could do so) ATL buys out a player cheaper than what they would have had too. Rangers have the cash to pay white to play in Hartford and wipe out brash contract.
This move was simply to eliminate Brash contract, allow Atlanta to buy out a player for less, Rangers clear cap space, add emergency depth in Hartford. The rich team pays the larger salaries, cleatrs the important cap space, poor team pays less on buyout.
White is not taking a young payers spot unless he is absolutely lights out in Preseason games, unlikely to happen. If he is lights out, we add a 50+ pt guy (that is assuming he is playing great) for a mere 1 million cap hit (brash plus 1). If he is not lights out, Hartford, no cap hit (under35 contract). If someone claims him on waiver on the way down, no loss.
This is absolutely a no lose trade for the Rangers.
It is Sather genius in action (trade genius) Atlanta saves money which they do not have.
Sad that
Atlanta did this to save pretty much 800,000 in actual money.
plus it counts towards their cap, helps them reach/stay at floor without having to spend more money.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
but by burying white and one smaller deal in the minors, i.e. mza, it is very possible that redden could be on this team even with staal being resigned for between 4-4.5 mil.
by BronxBeliever on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
so what? he’s a back pairing defenseman. if the rangers can afford to keep him on the roster, he’s a fine back line guy. he’s only a problem when his cap hit prevents roster moves.
I don't
Even know who we could trade?
Redden- never in a million years
Drury- NMC
Rosi is the only person plausible, although it would have to be a packaged deal. And without Rosi our Defence would be pretty young and inexperienced, so I don’t see that happening.
And any other trade we could make wouldn’t alleviate too much pressure.
You may see Dubi or Gliroy packaged with Rozi on the belief that perhaps Stephan or Grachev is ready….right now there does not seem to be a roster spot for the youth….but in a few weeks there might be.
why would the Rangers trade Rozsival, a top 4 defenseman on the team with no replacement in sight, when they could just demote a third pairing guy like Gilroy or Redden?
That is my
Thought, although overpaid, Rosi is a soild(ish) vet on the blueline which we would have to replace with (insert prospect). This would be okay if we had no hope of a playoff run; however I think we are a playoff team
i just don’t think we’d ship players like dubi or gilroy “on the belief that perhaps Stephan or Grachev is ready.” there is no evidence that they are ready. in fact, they aren’t ready. to pull the trigger on a deal that rested on the hope of either Stepan or Grachev will make it onto the team would be unwise. we’re already making room for them? they both have a lot of work to do…
this trade = sather apology for giving betts' money to brashear
anyone else thinks this trade hurts Brashear as much as that time Marty Mcsorely slapped him in the face with his stick? me neither…i’m just looking at this trade as a way of cigarhead saying he’s sorry for giving Brash Betts’ money. jus’ sayin….
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betts-prust-boogard would look pretty good right now
but not as good as betts-orr-prust
This from a man who thinks the plural of goose is sheep.
From ATL fan - you'll hate White
If you guys had traded Rozsival to the Thrashers, you’d be laughing at us. I’d really advise you to lower your expectations here. You did not get a good player. White sucks. He can still win face offs, but that’s about it. He’s not a good PK or PP guy any more and he can’t score. Oh he’ll blame the injuries and some will buy it, but you can knock me out of my chair with a feather if he can score just 10 goals for the Rangers in the upcoming season. By the end of the season, if he hasn’t been exiled to the AHL, I suspect that almost all of you will be pleading with Sather to not re-sign him.
By the way, Brashear will be released and Rissmiller will go to the AHL, so all we did was trade a bum who couldn’t make our starting lineup (think about that one for a while) for cap space. So if any of you think that you “stole” Todd White from Atlanta, I think you’re going to be sadly disappointed.
Zontar, this was a cap move for the Rangers as well. While White may suck, this deal was only about clearing Brashear’s compulsory $1.3M cap hit from the Rangers’ 2010-2011 salary cap. Since Atlanta didn’t give Brashear his +35 contract, Atlanta can cut Brashear without a cap penalty (assuming they don’t go the buyout route, CapGeek doesn’t have the buyout info yet, though it might not even be possible to buyout a player in his last year). That’s a nice little loophole that Slats took advantage of.
White can now be sent to the AHL along with Redden since the Rangers just cleared two more veterans (Brashear and Rissmiller) from their AHL allotment.
I’ve got to say, Sather has cleared almost all of the dead weight from the cap (Kotalik, Voros, Rissmiller, Brashear), just one more move to go and it’s a big one, $6.5M of sulking defenseman to be exact!
ATL is trying to hit the cap floor
So yes, they took Brashear so they can buy him out and eat that cap space.
White can now be sent to the AHL along with Redden since the Rangers just cleared two more veterans (Brashear and Rissmiller) from their AHL allotment.
Probably the most overlooked and most important aspect of this deal. there is a limit of 5? players with NHL experience(over certain numbe rof games played) to be positioned in the minors. 2 gone means 2 more can be plugged in, as in White and Redden.
That alone is the hidden brilliance of the trade.
Yeah..Dave S. usually keeps pretty good track of how many players meet that requirement. The spots for Rissmiller/Brashear aren’t necessarily there if others aged. The losses of Locke and Parenteau help that also though.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
probably why they weren’t offered contracts as well( Locke, PA).
There is a lot more than meets the eye when filling out AHL rosters and such.
Sather seems to do a great job at all moves except signing big name UFA. Even this years UFA signing of Frolov and Prospal were pretty good value. Maybe Sather should just be limited to no longer signing anyone to 5mil a year or more.
I know it sounds silly but if you really want to get a good feel of what goes into roster management, pick up Eastside Hockey Manager and take control of a NHl and sister AHL club.
It has all of that, max veterans, roster limits, age restriction, budget, cap, waivers prospect reports, etc…
it has crazy stuff like injuries (reoccurring ones, career ending ones), contract hold outs, players demanding trades, offer sheets.
Nothing I have ever played comes close to how realistic this is…plus a good way to kill time during off season.
Got to go now, just finishing training camp and my scout reports are due… and time to defend the cup ;)
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Can dress 5 veterans at over 260 professional games played I believe.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Aug 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So if any of you think that you "stole" Todd White from Atlanta, I think you’re going to be sadly disappointed.
If White scores 1 goal last year, he’ll surprass the grand total of zero that Brash/Rissmiller scored. That alone is a win, assuming he even stays on the roster.
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he needs to do it within 36 games though, otherwise it’s not very fair since thats the total games brash/riss played lol.
Although to be totally fair Brash/Riss combined for 1 point, and that was an assist, so even if he just gets 2 assists it’s still full of win (nevermind all the roster win that its full of)
This was a pretty good move
Isn’t Todd White a faceoff specialist? regardless, getting rid of Donald Brashear is always good!
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White goes for like 15 and 25 for a 40 pt season… I think he is very capable of that if not more… Plus this team needs more experiece besides Prospal and Drury on the offensive side of the game… This trade is a good one on all sides of the spectrum. Nice work all offseason Slats!!
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White had 2 knee dislocations and a torn labrum that he had surgery on.
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/white_on_the_mend/
I read on THN that Atlanta plans to buy out brashears contract. Can someone explain to me why they would trade for someone just to buy him out?
by jigblahdah on Aug 3, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
To save cap room. White’s hit was $2.3m. They can plug in Cormier (843k) into White’s spot. Combined with Brashs’ cap hit from the buyout…they’re now paying $1.5m instead. So it saves them $800k.
Trades aren’t always about talent for talent.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 3, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand there is always cap implications but why bother taking brashear at all? Buying him out still affects the cap right? Was it because Sather wouldn’t have done it otherwise?
Sather can’t do it, they can’t afford to buy him out b/c they’re too close to the cap, and sending him to Hartford doesn’t help. White on the other hand gives more flexibility.
They probably just took Brashear because they had to take something back for White.
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