Rangers Analysis: Torts Talks Training Camp
I am sure most of you watched Saturday night's special edition of Hockey Night Live on MSG Network featuring head coach John Tortorella, Captain Chris Drury and goaltender Henrik Lundqvist. As always, Tortorella gave a juicy interview that I figured I had to discuss here on Blueshirt Banter. Below are some of the topics that the coach touched on:
- Henrik Lundqvist/ Martin Biron:Tortorella talked in length about how Henrik Lundqvist simply cannot start in as many games this season as he has been used to in the past. This is where Martin Biron comes into play, and Torts said if healthy, the former Islander and Flyer will hopefully start in about 20 games. He made a good point in saying that most Stanley Cup winning goalies only play in around sixty games per season. I don't think Torts is planning for a cup, but a well rested Lundqvist is an advantage when entering the playoff race in March and April.
- Chris Drury: John Tortorella is willing to give Captain Chris Drury another chance after a not so hot season in 2009-10. He said that Drury will have the opportunity to prove he belongs at the center position on offense, but he has to produce. There is no room for slack here, Torts made it very clear that it is either produce and play where you want, or not produce and play where the coach wants.
- Wade Redden: Now this is where things got interesting. Tortorella started off by saying that Redden has come back this year in great shape, but then went on to set the veteran blue-liner in his place. John showed no hesitation in saying that Redden's game has slowed down and there are better options for his roster spot. He even admitted that Redden's contact has affected the way he looks at Redden. I give Tortorella A LOT of credit for saying that on air.
- The Kids: This was Tortorella's main message throughout the interview. He was delighted to see that Sather did not make a ton of signings this off-season, and that the main core of youngsters is still around. I think he mentioned McDonagh and Stepan's names about three times, so watch out for them to get very long looks at training camp. I mean, he was insistent on these players having a shot and how critical it is to fuse them into the lineup. They are now dark horses to make it in my mind.
- Marc Staal: This is the last thing that I wanted to discuss. The subject of Marc Staal did come up, and Tortorella quickly urged that Marc is a "key piece to the puzzle". He still has his fingers crossed that a deal will get done because he later said that Staal will be a great player for years to come. He felt he was inconsistent in the first half of the year, but in the last few months "really got it". Torts also said they had a great exit interview following last season.
Once again, great job by MSG Network to bring this kind of content to the fans. This is exactly the information we want to hear heading into training camp, especially straight from the coach's mouth himself. And Tortorella did not disappoint, either.
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Seems that every Torts interview gets me optimistic for this season.
Regardless, they need Staal to have any shot at doing anything this season. I’d drink to that, but its too early and the Rangers didn’t play last night.
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I can’t speak to how he has looked this year so far, I can’t imagine what he would have to look like to justify keeping that contract on the books.
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I think this is the best way to go with Drury. He is not going anywhere so might as well give him another chance to lead this team and help win games. Getting Drury’s offense going in a way is almost like another off season addition.
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Posted in the other thread too
But on the Staal front:
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Rangers, Staal working on long-term (but not Kovalchukian) deal that should be completed by camp. Today’s Post. http://bit.ly/bHpDFy
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Hopefully it's in the 4-6 year range.
And by the time he hits what would have been his UFA period the cap limit will have gone up and essentially discounted his cap hit and make him an undervalued player.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
and conversely
by that point contracts like drury & redden would be off the books so there wouldn’t be any issues re-signing him to a similar (or slightly larger) deal
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
Drury and Rozi are off the books after 2012
That’s appx $12.5mn in cap space. I would imagine a decent chunk of that is going to be taken up by a lot of the guys that are coming up now if they perform. Del Zotto and Anisimov (if they can bridge next year with a 1 year deal) are set to expire that year as well.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Or...
Staal could be our new Rosi – I’m really tenative about giving him that deal. I’d rather slightly overpay if he lives up to potential, and when we have the cap space, then get bit again.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rozsival was paid at age 30 (typically past a players prime) after three straight seasons where his overall PP numbers blinded his actual production. (not surprisingly, this is what happened with Redden as well)
Staal is being paid on the upswing, at age 24, coming off a season of being one of the best defensive d-men in the league. His offense will still improve, and his defense should show no drop off for at least 4-5 years, if not more.
They’re completely different situations.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 14, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Great writeup Nick, and quite frankly Torts is saying all the things we want to hear, but we’ve heard at least some of it before. Proof is in the pudding. When I really see guys riding pine because of poor play, I will believe it. Last year we witnessed far too many players in the lineup based on “entitlement”. I’m not saying that Hartford or wherever provided better options, but it never hurts to try.
Under-performing players were not pushed for their roster spots last year, if this year is no different, then what Torts is saying is meaningless.
For now, he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Let’s see if he means what he says.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
like you said
i’ll believe it when i see it
there’ve been too many instances of “underachieving vets will not get ice time” rhetoric that haven’t been followed through on: torts made the same comment last year regarding redden in general and after an initial benching sent gilroy to hartford for poor play while continuing to dress (and play) wade
i’ve had enough of the abused spouse mentality that this time he really really really means it, send redden to hartford or GTFO
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by joereiter on Sep 14, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, I used the word “entitlement” in my post because that was his word when describing his team. I think it was right around the Isles debacle, and the magnificent two game benching of Boat Anchor Redden. He said there was a sense of “entitlement” around the team, but did he really change that culture in the remaining four months of the season? Did sending Chris Drury to the 4th line for two shifts turn the attitude around?
Players weren’t punished last year, they were sent to bed without supper. Except for Enver Lisin, who was made to sit at the table and watch everyone else eat.
I want to see the players held accountable for their performance, and the coach held accountable for his comments.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
Lisin was the only one who really got into the doghouse and saw his ice time and his playing time overall suffer. Torts didn’t come down on Redden nearly as hard as he should have and showed patience for the veterans (with heavy contracts) that he didn’t show for guys like Gilroy and Lisin.
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I can’t wait for this season to start so I can stop hearing about the raw deal Lisin got…all because Torts just hated him. If Lisin would have performed, he wouldn’t have been in the doghouse. And Gilroy played 69 games before being benched, how is that a lack of patience?
I want to see the players held accountable for their performance, and the coach held accountable for his comments.
Redden saw almost zero PP time and his ice-time drop. If Torts felt the Rangers had a better option in Hartford, I believe they would have done it. But they went out and got Eriksson over any the Hartford Dmen. But now that McDonagh is here, we should see Redden in Hartford. The fact is the Rangers best possible line-up last year, probably included Redden on the 3rd pair; thankfully that should change this year.
Drury may not have been on the 4th line for long, but he was relegated to a strictly defensive role. That says a lot for a guy who was consistently on the PP. And with the NMC, other than benching Drury, there isn’t a whole lot the Rangers can do and I don’t think Drury deserved to be benched.
You seem to have unrealistic expectations about just how much punishment can be handed out. The Rangers roster management was horrid last year and they couldn’t avoid to keep extra guys on the NHL roster, which means you can’t simply bench everyone. Reducing all the underperformers ice team means Gaborik playing close 30 minutes a game, since there were so many Rangers coasting.
Changing the attitude of the Rangers means roster turnover and that really can’t happen en masse for another year. For me, this is just a placeholder year (and hopefully not because of a strike/lockout) before the young guys in Hartford can come in and hopefully make this franchise relevant again.
I agree with what you are saying about roster management, it was terrible.
On Lisin, dressing a player and making him sit on the bench was stupid, plain and simple. Not because Lisin was getting a “raw deal”, but it makes no sense to me to fill a guys spot in the lineup that you aren’t going to play.
If Torts hates Lisin so much, why trade for him? We kept hearing last year that Torts had a big say in last years Annual Roster Makeover, so why go out an get a guy you don’t like? Did they do any research on him, or were they just so eager to be rid of Lauri Korpikoski that they would have taken Elvis back in the deal?
We heard the same tough talk from the coach last year, and he didn’t follow through. This year he needs to.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know that Torts traded for him, so that may be moot. But, even if he did, maybe they saw something different than the scouting report when Lisin got here. I’m not sure we will ever know the truth of the matter.
However, for all of Torts faults (and he has many), a lack of desire to win is not one of them. I have a hard time believing that he would sit a player all season if that player could help the team win. For whatever reasons, Torts felt Lisin was a liability. And the fact that no team has taken a chance on Lisin yet makes me think that Ranger fans may be overvaluing just how good Lisin can be.
It’s lost cause it happened end of year…but Torts went out and talked about hoping Locke could help the offense, and then gave him 3 minutes a night.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My issue with benching Lisin is a simple one really, the Rangers gave up a 1st-rounder in Lauri Korpikoski for Enver Lisin. I am not saying Korpo was amazing or anything like that, only that he was an investment that now officially has been squandered by the club as Lisin isn’t returning and clearly the Rangers front office overestimated Lisin’s ability… or at least overestimated his ability to fit into Torts’ system.
Wade Redden, for how miserable he played, didn’t suffer much punishment other than seeing his PP time drop as well has ice time diminish. Both of those things didn’t light a fire under his ass and make him play better hockey. He was very vocal when he was scratched.
"I’m not pleased to be singled out," said Redden, scratched for what is believed the first time in his 13-year NHL career. "We’re going through struggles as a team and the fact that I’m sitting out, I’m not real happy.
"Obviously [Tortorella] wants to shake things up. Obviously I’m an example."
When he got back into the lineup he played the same dreadful hockey that got him the doghouse in the first place, he didn’t take the body, he failed to move the puck despite his previous ability to do so in Ottawa, and he made costly defensive errors. I think Torts handled the Drury situation as well as anyone could have, taking ice time away from the team’s captain is a delicate thing to do. I would have liked to see more kids like Dane Byers get time to play if the Rangers were hell-bent on scratching players like Lisin and needing to make examples of people.
I appreciated your input though, and I have to say you make several strong points. Gilroy was shown an immense amount of patience considering he was a rookie defender, but I think that a lot of that patience stemmed from the fact that the Rangers didn’t acquire a 7th defenseman until Anders Eriksson late last season.
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Anyone hear what he said on Boogaard..intresting
basically he is no good to torts as a goon, he needs to be able to play a little away from the puck without being a liability. He said Boogaard was 288lbs which at that weight he would not make it through camp. He is 273 right now and torts wants him at 265lbs. not quotes just a summary
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He wants Boogaard to be quicker to the puck, like Brashear was
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds good to me
if he can take shifts and throw checks then the Rangers would be getting as much out of him as possible.
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And since Nick's not breaking his own news breaks that were broken
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According to @NYP_Brooksie the Rangers have placed a lucrative offer on the table for RFA D Marc Staal. Expected to sign before camp (Fri).
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YESSSS! long term is even better than i thought!
by louielounz1 on Sep 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good summary
I liked what Torts had to say about Redden and Boogaard, I am glad Boogaard is not just going to be a scratch that we plug in when we face a team that has a goon or enforcer. Let him play some hockey if he can work hard enough to get his game in order, we are certainly paying him enough.
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I like Torts
the reason I like this guy is he has balls
He knows Redden is garbage, and didnt air him out or really say anything out of line but he kept it real
alot of fans dont like Torts but I really like the culture he is trying to bring here that we havent had
I think if he gets adequate time with the players he wants and the system he wants to run i think he will have success
all the young players he has to play and incorporate into the Rangers now not later imo
with all the young talent that is here and the key players already on the lineup I think we are a team on the rise I really do
its gonna take some time it wont happen over night but in 2 3 years the Rangers are gonna be really well off
im gonna be patient because any of my sports teams I would rather have young talented players
by Archie Barberio on Sep 14, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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