Rangers News: Marc Staal Re-signs with Rangers
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
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PrintApparently Bob McKenzie from TSN is Tweeting that Marc Staal and the Rangers have come to terms on a 5 yr, $3.975M deal, meaning Staal will be there for the start of training camp.
As joereiter said in his Fan Post, "Everyone can breathe easy"
I would argue that being a Ranger fan means never breathing easy, but for today we will roll with it.
Congratulations to Marc, and props to the Rangers for not letting this linger into camp.
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This is an amazing deal
whatever Sather did, it worked, because to get Staal for under $4 million … Never in my wildest imagination did I Imagine that.
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The economics of this deal are staggering...
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tell that to nhl digest, just had a twitter debate when they opined staal got 'too much'
my response:
@nhldigest ok zbynek michalek 5 yr/20 mil vs. 5yr/19.8 for staal or volchenkov 6 yr/25 mil staal younger with upside very comparable deal
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Comparable…but Michalek and Volchenkov were UFAs..they’re expected to get much more than a RFA.
While I wouldn’t argue he got “too much,” he got his UFA value as an RFA, which is impressive.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering it’s a mostly RFA deal, it’s a pretty staggering amount. It’s roughly the equivalent of saying he’s worth $5.85m as a UFA. Without any PP numbers, that’s a pretty generous idea.
That’s a pretty solid number for our #1 D-man though.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the only way we could lock him down for that length
by jigblahdah on Sep 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I’m sure that’s right, or he’d have signed ages ago. Rumors were that Staal didn’t want to give up his UFA years..to get him for that length, Sather had to concede somewhere.
I’d have liked a 6 year deal for that rate, but it’s fine as is.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
does the new rules on contracts explain why it is 5 and not 6? if it had gone 6, isnt it the average of the 5 highest salary years that is the cap hit?
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
When did that happen? I thought the new rules only related to 40+ age deals.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasnt positive on that, hence asking. just the 40+ and the rules on long term deals extending past 35.
so why did sather imo overpay for only getting 1 year of FA. not saying the overall hit is an overpay, but 5.45 mil in the 1 FA year is above market value for the package staal has provided. that is duncan keith money.
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That I don’t have a good answer to.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
otherwise it is kind of like what we started the summer talking about 4/14.4
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know if you saw, but Gabe @ BTN seems to still think the deal is a steal (though he got the # of UFA years wrong)
Marc Staal mails the Rangers a check for about $10M
Five years, $19.875M – including two UFA years and no NMC/NTC? The Rangers got one hell of a deal for a guy who could match up against the other team’s stars when he was still 21 years old.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, but doesnt he correct in the comments saying just 1 year. if it was 2 years, it’s a great deal, and overall it is still very good, just think he needlessly overpaid on paper for the last year unless it is just structured to look that way and staal wouldnt have taken the other salaries without the last one bumping the avg.
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
either way i am very happy it is done
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
well as far as staal's contract we can breathe easy
you’re right though, jim, asthma inhalers have become a necessity with this franchise…even if you don’t have asthma
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Hell Yes
5 years at that number is an amazing feat.
by Dr. Strangepork on Sep 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
well done Sather!
you did something fantastically right! WOW~!
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..and congratulations to Mr. Staal
we wanted you to stay and now you’re a Ranger for awhile. excellent news!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Only 1. He had 4 years til UFA. Does cover his arbitration years, which helps.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys, while we can quibble on the Boogaard signing, I think we gotta give the Old Man props, he’s put together a much better off season than most of us could have hoped for.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ive been saying that for awhile
:)
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another reason the yearly parade dedicated to you
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yearly?
Didn’t we agree on weekly?
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well the same number attend either way, dont they?
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
who are you Matt Cooke throwing those cheap shots?
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, rather be boogey, at least that way i get paid better, lol.
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
at least in proportion to the work i do
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, if we can just put some pucks in the net this season, I think we’ll be pretty competitive in the division.
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by stonecoldcory on Sep 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
one thing at a time mate
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"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"
by Scratch and Snif on Sep 15, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Conversation between Staal and Slats
Glen: Marc we want you signed, long term
Marc: Glen, i know that, and I love being a Ranger
Glen: 5 years, 2 million per
Marc: Um, you paid Boogard almost that much, i’ll pass
Glen: Yeah, you are a little better than him, 5 years 2.2 million
Marc: Boogard
Glen: hmmm, good point….5 years 3 million
Marc Glen, remember the Boogard deal?
Glen: point taken, 5 years 3.5 million
Marc: i want more than double Boogard
Glen: done deal
by Peterman700 on Sep 15, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha….a “Double-Boogey”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Slats should have just brought Booger in the room with him
Staal would have signed a career deal at the league minimum just to avoid the possibility of any chance of a physical confrontation.
Even better, Slats should have hired Semin as chief negotiator. Staal would have soiled his trousers and offered to play for the league minimum and drive the zamboni for free.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I want more than double Boogaard
That should be a t-shirt.
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by Dig Deep on Sep 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
commence redden to the wolf pack for real now?
i know realistically they’ll give a shot in camp but he’s got to be gone by now
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by MooseRanger on Sep 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
definitely. There is a 0% chance of his returning.
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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 15, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sather you've outdone yourself
I am absolutely thrilled about this deal, I remember some predictions thinking Staal would be anywhere from the 4.5-5.5 mill range or even higher than that. I am in disbelief… like Jim said Sather really put together a solid offseason so far (other than overpaying Boogaard). Congrats to Marc Staal, and props to the Rangers front office for getting the deal done!
Let’s go Rangers.
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Wow, Glen did a great job here. Hopefully we can use Staal on the PP more often this year.
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Nothing sparks the PP
Like I guy who shown minimal offensive ability.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe on the 2nd unit?
As much as I like Del Zotto and he obviously has the better offensive upside, Staal scored 8 goals and Del Zotto 9.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 15, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Staal played the point in juniors
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And he scored on Uncle Daddy Brodeur
He’s obviously got talent if he can score on the Greatest Goalie Of All Time (per Chico).
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 15, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ES Scoring is much more reliable a trend than PP stuff, and in that Staal has MDZ lapped thus far.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
MDZ scored 9 as a rookie
Staal was playing his 3rd full season as a pro. Playing on the 2nd unit isn’t really my idea of helping the PP. Staal needs to work on getting his shot off harder and faster and increasing his footspeed and size so he can hold the blue line before I’d think of him as a PP candidate.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe RangerSmurf can help me out with this
But I have to imagine that DZ was placed on the PP significantly more than Staal ever was during any of his 3 years.
Someone is going to have to play on the 2nd PP unit anyways. Plus, I tend to think that the biggest determinant to last year’s modest improvement on the PP was Gaborik.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 15, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't need stats to tell you
Our offense has been hurting since Staal has been here. Anyone, with the slightest offensive inkling, has been given a shot to help the PP and scoring in general. It’s not like MDZ got that PP time cause Torts is banging his sister. MDZ actually showed he could contribute offensively. MDZ can start a breakout, carry the puck, and makes an effort to hold the blueline.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW - I'm not blaming our offensive woes on Staal
Just pointing out that “PP defenseman” is a job that he’s had plenty of time to apply for.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He's had time to apply, but his application hasn't exactly been reviewed yet.
His first year, Rozsival, Girardi, Mara and Tyutin were all given 130 minutes+, Staal got 27. I don’t have an active memory of this, but I would guess that 27 was alot of end of PP and/or 2nd unit minutes where Renney was matching up for the next shift.
Second year, Redden, Rozsival, Girardi, and Mara were given 188+ minutes each, Staal got 43.
Last year, I think everyone can remember that few on this team got a shot on PP1 besides MDZ. Only Rozsival and Gilroy got more than 100 minutes.
That doesn’t really defend the 1 point in 120 minutes, but to say he’s been given a chance isn’t really true. Thus far in his career, he’s been a defensive d-man. Last year he started to show the offense (at least early, his offense slowed late in the year). I don’t think he does anything this year in terms of breaking on to the PP, but I do see it coming.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
mdz has a sister?
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by Moshe52792 on Sep 15, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes..Staal still provided 52 minutes of 0 point hockey on the PP last year though. I can defend Staal’s offensive game pretty easily..but I can’t defend his production on the PP, it hasn’t been good ( 1 pt in 120 minutes)
Then again, he doubled his offensive production at ES last year, and he’s still only 23, so it’s possible that part of his game will come around. It’s just not there yet.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But will Stall help the team more then Gelnn Anderson did in 1994?
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Sep 15, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes he will
By scoring clutch OT goals for the Oilers.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it...
But Sather has really impressed me this off-season (except for overpaying for Boogeyman), and I wouldn’t be surprised if Torts has had a lot to do with it. We haven’t made any splashy signings other than Frolov (which was a very good deal in my opinion), and Sather seems to be giving into the idea of working with what we’ve got and developing the youth. I think this is a great signing for us (even though it’s a bit pricey for a RFA) and will keep our #1 Dmen happy for 5 years.
Nice job Glen, for once I don’t want to kick you in the face.
the numbers breakdown
as per espn:
@EJHradek_ESPN: Marc Staal contract details: $3.1M, $3.675M, $3.775M, $3.875M and $5.45M.
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Any word on the other details
Slats didn’t give him any of his crazy No-Trade or No-Movement clauses did he?
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny..he literally structured it like he bought out the UFA.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense
Put the money at the end, and hope there is another salary roll back. Slats is a sly fella.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Evil Genius strikes again
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
or count on a cap increase by then
and have redden’s deal officially off the books
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
A cap increase won’t change anything with regards to Staal’s cap figure as the cap figure is the average salary over the life of the contract.
i meant in terms of when he needs to be re-signed
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
A cap increase
Will in effect discount his deal since it will take up proportionally less of the overall payroll.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
thank christ
I thought the orginization was going to gum this one up for sure.
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by dukegnarly on Sep 15, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm trying not to choke on my lunch...but,
Great job, Cigar! This is a terrific deal, and the numbers couldn’t be better! He is definitely worth this contract!
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awesome
I just hope he does not hate the Rangers for this process.
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projections show $4 mil over the cap right now as per capgeek
hmmmm, that 6.5 mil salary of a certain plodding defenseman is looking very hartfordy
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by joereiter on Sep 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
anagram for wade redden
Dreaded New
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by joereiter on Sep 15, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
if dreaded draws dee end in new york we'll all rejoice
first round’s on jim
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
But that’s at least partly because CapGeek has all players with ‘NHL’ experience that have been signed on the roster/eating up cap. 15 forwards, and 7 d-men including Dreaden.
They’ll be 2mm under the cap by the time the season starts, and that’s if they keep White on the roster – closer to 5mm if they don’t keep him – and as usual presuming that Dreaden gets Dumped.
i would project MZA, Redden and Boyle all off to start the year and either a tryout or McD to be up on D. probably looking at about 3-4 mil in space when it shakes out. not sure gilroy is a lock on a spot either which would be another 1.75
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
if there was a guy to give one to it is the 23 year old number 1 d, so maybe he is learning the wrong way.
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
No sense taking the chance. At under 4 mil, if he doesn’t turn it up, or gets passed by the glut of prospects, we can tie a prospect or pick to him and unload him somewhere. It doesn’t matter what he does, or what anyone thinks he will do, it’s all better as a fan to know you have options with these guys.
by BuckarooClub on Sep 15, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Staal is different from most rfa's though
in that he is actually an accomplished NHL player. It’s not like he had one good year last year, and it happened to be his first year in the NHL.
We’re talking about a guy who is a rock on defense and has been since he was 21 year’s old.
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the opposite way about my number 1 d-man who is 23. i want to know slats isnt going to give him away just to dump a bad contract.
by Michael Gleich on Sep 15, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see the inevitable finally happened. Staal was never leaving and the Rangers were never not going to sign him. Even if this lasted longer, Torts learned his lesson on how to handle a player that’s holding out after Dubinsky’s holdout last offseason.
These holdouts by very young RFAs are pretty much the standard operating procedure around the league. Look at Dallas and Anaheim, they have young talent going through the same situation.
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I can’t believe he got Staal for under 4 million……how this guy works I will never be able to understand.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Sep 15, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Great signing
His salary rises per year too. $3.1M, $3.675M, $3.775M, $3.875M and $5.45M for each year of the contract. He’ll be wearing the “C” in two years too. An “A” at minimum.
Now, demote Redden and weed out the glut of players at LW without loosing Dubi or Avery and I’ll give kudos to Slats.
off topic..
prospects just won 7-2 against Dallas in Traverse City Tournamnent.
great day for Rangers hockey.
....tempered only by the fact that the blowout win was for the fifth place game
that 1-0 loss to carolina really hurt
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
I just read elsewhere people complaining that the Rangers didn’t lock up Staal long term and beyond 28. Sometimes you can never do the right thing in some people’s eyes!
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I've dealt with a ton of those
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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
all that time and he got alot less than he should of
glad he is back we need Marc Staal
I dont think he will ever be a truly great player but he will be a good player
not hating on him at all just how I see it
but he is a very important piece to our team glad he is locked up long term he is one of the better young defensemen in the NHL
MDZ and Staal and hopefully McIlrath become the core of the defense
Ginger’s across the world put on their Marc Staal jerseys and rejoice wooo hooo
by Archie Barberio on Sep 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
no
i heard a rumor sather died in early may and messier has been running the team while the taxidermists prep sather’s body for the next press conference
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Marc Staal
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- Frattin scores twice, including winner, as Marlies defeat Barons 5-3 in Game 3
