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As part of the discussion after Joe's X-Factor piece on Michael Del Zotto, regular commenter NTB posed the following question:

What I want to know is how much room for improvement on the PP there really is? What rate do the top PP D-men score at? That is the comparison that is most meaningful, in my opinion.

Strangely, this peaked my interest.  Sure, it's easy to look up the numbers and find Mike Green's 98 points lead all defensemen over the past three years, but is that only because he logs tons of ice time?

Let's start by looking at the league wide averages for three years (this data is for 5v4 powerplays only):

2007 2008
  TOI G/60 A/60 P/60 IPP%   TOI G/60 A/60 P/60 IPP%
League 26950.24 0.712 2.278 2.990 51.10% League 25938.32 0.800 2.556 3.356 52.10%
20% 24752.28 0.742 2.378 3.120 51.69% 20% 23573.03 0.840 2.650 3.490 53.00%
40% 17067.13 0.816 2.552 3.368 52.96% 40% 16594.72 0.936 2.929 3.865 55.19%
60% 9189.65 0.783 2.879 3.663 54.05% 60% 7249.34 1.109 2.822 3.931 55.43%
2009 Total
  TOI G/60 A/60 P/60 IPP%   TOI G/60 A/60 P/60 IPP%
League 23231.46 0.677 2.492 3.169 52.59% League 76120.02 0.731 2.438 3.169 51.91%
20% 20627.75 0.724 2.618 3.342 53.84% 20% 68953.06 0.770 2.543 3.313 52.79%
40% 16440.63 0.763 2.832 3.595 55.09% 40% 50102.48 0.838 2.769 3.607 54.43%
60% 5891.00 0.835 3.076 3.911 55.65% 60% 22329.99 0.903 2.913 3.815 54.93%

Some clarification here, a legend if you will. The first column designates 4 categories of defensemen.  League is obviously league wide.  20, 40 and 60% indicates only those defensemen whose ratio of TOI/60 ON versus Total TOI was greater than the respective numbers.  For instance, MDZ was on ice for 3.77 min per 60, and off for 1.92 per 60.  So his ratio was 3.77 / (3.77+1.92) = 66.3%.  IPP% is individual point percentage, measured by the number of points earned divided by the number of goals scored while on the ice.

If you read my post on even strength shooting, you saw that league-wide there is not a lot of variation in skill over the last couple of years.  Despite the smaller sample size, we see the same trend here.  There's a small uptick in the last couple of seasons, but mostly the talent has stayed level. This gives us a solid baseline to go on.  A team's defensive corps should be producing about 3.2 p/60.  The team's primary PP defensemen should be around 3.8 p/60.  Let's look at those "quarterbacks" on each team last year:

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NAME TEAM TOI % PTS IPP% PTS/60
MARC-ANDRE BERGERON MTL 62.896% 19 65.517% 6.83
CHRISTIAN EHRHOFF VAN 48.829% 22 62.857% 5.64
KURTIS FOSTER T.B 60.685% 24 77.419% 5.45
JOHN-MICHAEL LILES COL 57.169% 16 59.259% 5.16
SERGEI GONCHAR PIT 81.879% 26 61.905% 5.15
MIKE GREEN WSH 84.071% 30 57.692% 5.05
DAN BOYLE S.J 72.566% 26 57.778% 5.01
MAREK ZIDLICKY MIN 58.020% 22 62.857% 4.98
CHRIS PRONGER PHI 58.814% 23 53.488% 4.71
ANTON STRALMAN CBJ 58.621% 19 65.517% 4.60
ANDY GREENE N.J 50.296% 15 51.724% 4.53
LUBOMIR VISNOVSKY EDM 60.069% 19 52.778% 4.48
DUNCAN KEITH CHI 49.453% 16 61.538% 4.32
DREW DOUGHTY L.A 72.340% 24 53.333% 4.31
SCOTT NIEDERMAYER ANA 65.026% 20 52.632% 4.05
TYLER MYERS BUF 49.331% 16 64.000% 3.97
MICHAEL DEL ZOTTO NYR 66.257% 20 58.824% 3.97
ZDENO CHARA BOS 57.339% 14 66.667% 3.58
MARK GIORDANO CGY 48.270% 13 59.091% 3.58
BRYAN MCCABE FLA 65.385% 19 65.517% 3.55
STEPHANE ROBIDAS DAL 48.264% 14 53.846% 3.51
KEITH YANDLE PHX 47.910% 14 66.667% 3.44
ERIK JOHNSON STL 52.073% 14 56.000% 3.39
NICKLAS LIDSTROM DET 63.176% 16 40.000% 3.13
TOMAS KABERLE TOR 68.233% 18 62.069% 3.13
TOBIAS ENSTROM ATL 70.186% 19 61.290% 3.08
ERIK KARLSSON OTT 54.409% 10 76.923% 3.06
JONI PITKANEN CAR 69.702% 15 51.724% 3.01
SHEA WEBER NSH 59.715% 13 50.000% 2.99
MARK STREIT NYI 79.426% 19 50.000% 2.79

The table is sortable by clicking the headers of each column.

For the purpose of this chart, I used the leading power play point scorer on this team. Lubomir Visnovsky was used for Edmonton, despite his trade midseason His numbers here reflect his entire season with EDM and ANA. For Phoenix, Ed Jovanovski and Keith Yandle were tied with 14 points, but Yandle was picked because of his slightly better TOI%.

As evidenced here, Del Zotto was trusted as much as anyone in the league to "run" their teams PP, yet his rate stats are mostly middle of the road with this group, and only slightly above the average expected of a top unit player.  He still falls short of some secondary options as well, like Kimmo Timonen in Philly, or Alexander Edler in Vancouver.  Nonetheless, at age 19, this is a rather encouraging result, and suggests there is in fact still room for him to improve his output, especially with new addition Frolov added to the forwards.

Of course, it should also be noted that with just over 300 minutes of ice time, this is not a particularly large sample, and should be taken very lightly when being used to compare players.  A perfect example is the p/60 leader here, Marc-Andre Bergeron.  Fans might look at his 19 PP points last year and see a solid FA target.  GMs haven't been so easily fooled by a player that in two previous years, logged more ice time, and posted p/60 rates at half this rate.

Finally, lets see how the Rangers team defense did:

NAME TOION TOI % PTS IPP% PTS/60
MICHAELDEL ZOTTO 301.6 66.257% 20 58.82% 3.97
MICHALROZSIVAL 154.16 33.274% 4 36.36% 1.55
MATTGILROY 102.81 26.049% 3 60.00% 1.75
MARCSTAAL 52.48 11.327% 0 0.00% 0
DANGIRARDI 26.24 5.664% 4 80.00% 9.12
WADEREDDEN 23.25 5.429% 1 50.00% 2.59
ANDERSERIKSSON 21.2 16.537% 1 33.33% 2.83
BOBBYSANGUINETTI 2.7 11.613% 0 0.00% 0
ILKKAHEIKKINEN 0.28 0.649% 0 0.00% 0
COREYPOTTER 0.09 0.638% 0 0.00% 0
TOTALS 684.81   33 54.10% 2.891

Though the individual player data doesn't give much insight, the team totals are a bit interesting.  The defense itself was below average in their point production, but those points constituted a slightly above average percentage of the team goals.  How that could be interpreted is left up to debate, but it would seem that the best way to improve our PP would be to get someone to help move the puck on the second unit.  At this point, one has to hope it comes from within, with Girardi getting more time, or Staal developing his offense further.

stats credit as always to the incomparable behindthenet.ca

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As always your perspectives and opinions are insightful and enlightening. I can only hope MDZ continues to progress and develop into a true powerplay quarterback. Do you think that teams that go with four forwards because they lack a powerplay quarterback find just as much success moving the puck?

I’d like to see the second unit run by Gilroy or Staal. I am not sure that it is within Girardi’s game to assume that role, a few years ago Rozi would have been a no-brainer but he is so hesitant to pull the trigger and seems petrified of handling the puck.

It’d be interesting to see the impact of someone like MZA on the powerplay, I can only hope that Frolov gives it a big boost and that the Rangers find a way to get more dirty goals instead of relying on Gaborik with the man advantage. Great post as always.

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by Dig Deep on Sep 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Personally I think Staal should get more PP time with Del Zotto, if nothing else but to help protect our own net because we saw with Kotalik on our point how susceptible we were to SHG…

Which brings me to my other point some teams have employed wingers as a PP defensemen, obviously the upside is a guy like Ovechkin who has a cannon of a shot from the point and produces rebounds, but is there anything to show that its better to have a guy like that on the point, obvouisly everybody isn’t ovechkin, but a power shooting forward on the point?

Kotalik worked for a bit, but tailed off…

by Clalicata17 on Sep 2, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

The Rangers used Drury on the point a few times, I think a lot of it comes down to the skills and philosophy of the player. Drury makes responsible decisions with the puck and had experience on the point playing with Colorado and Buffalo. I would like someone with a heavier shot than Drury to be quarterbacking it though. It certainly is interesting thinking of going 4 forwards, I just wouldn’t want to sacrifice as many SHG as we did last year to have an equally anemic powerplay by plugging in a forward at the point.

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by Dig Deep on Sep 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drury’s slapshot isn’t the hardest, but he does know how to get it off quickly and accurately.

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s defensively responsible, a lot less likely for a shorthanded goal when he’s playing on the point than Kotalik.

by CDXX93 on Sep 2, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I can help :)

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

George as Bill Chadwick and Jim Gordon used to say “knowing you is like going to college”

Great job as always.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 2, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a bit surprising

To see Lidstrom’s PP pts % as low as it is. I wonder how last year compared to his career marks. Same goes for Mark Streit, who has the reputation as a pure PP QB.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Streit’s previous two years ~70%IPP, 4.15 p/60 & ~49% and 4.93 p/60.
Lidstrom ~56%, 5.53 & ~57%, 4.47

Lidstrom’s decline is probably just age. Streit’s is that he went from a PP juggernaut in MTL to the less than spectacular Icelanders.

There’s a reason I quoted the word “quarterback,” however. Statistically speaking, it’s a bit of an illusion. The production of those players is reliant on the total unit, moreso than the player is driving the unit himself. It really manifests itself in MTL, where basically anyone they put on the point becomes a PP point generating machine. That’s not to take anything away from Markov, who is excellent on the point, but when players are taken out of that system (Bergeron, Streit, Schneider) they see their production drop a bit. I won’t be surprised in the least bit of PK Subban steps in to replace Bergeron and becomes a 15-20 point PP guy himself.

Obviously, I understand that the “feel” of the PP was much different this year with MDZ at the point, and we certainly couldn’t have just plugged Redden in and gotten the same results. So there’s obviously something intangible to the position, good decision making, vision, etc.., that puts these players in those roles in the first place. One just has to stay aware that the improvement in the PP this year was as much having a legit scorer like Gaborik as it was having a flashy rookie on the point.

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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t quite believe in the notion of power play quarterback until watching Duncan Keith. He can hold onto the puck patiently, move it around just a little, then thread the perfect pass to break a player. Otherwise, if nothing’s available, he’s perfectly capable of piercing the opposing defensive line.

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I wouldn’t argue Keith’s talent, one has to think that if he was some kind of PP QB magic man, his coaching staff would’ve found a way to have him on the ice more often that he was off in these situations.

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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hawks also have Campbell who can effectively handle a powerplay. No reason to waste your best even strength guy, Keith, on the powerplay, when you have someone else who is almost as talented sitting on the bench.

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 3, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention your best PK guy. Dude can only log so many minutes per night and he’s already got a full plate.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 6, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bergeron wouldn’t be a bad pick up as a pp specialist because of his shot, but as a 7th dman. If Torts was going to stick with 3 lines and use the 2 extra fowards as pk guys or with Boogey to stir things up, give Bergeron the occasional shift at forward. His D is pretty bad, but his shot would be nice with MDZ feeding him.

by Kmp on Sep 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome work.
Any way you could have included forwards that played the point? Very interested how successful or unsuccessful of a strategy that is.
Thanks.

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It's tough to distinguish.

Even for this team, Drury sometimes played point, sometimes didn’t, so it’d be near impossible to split out the difference. I’m sure that’s true of Kovalchuk, Stamkos, Ovechkin, and several others that occasionally play point as well.

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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kovy and Ovie

Play the point pretty much all the time, at least Kovy did on ATL. Ovie is pretty lousy at defense, at least against an aggressive high winger. Cally in particular gives him fits.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

kovy did in NJ too.
It would be interesting to see if these forwards at the point (sharp is another example in CHI, Malkin in Pitt i believe, and obviously our favorite Kotalik) are more or less effective than the typical “power play quarterback”

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

AO is basically on the point 100% of the time. It’s been extremely rare to see him in front of the net or on the half-wall.

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by Knee high to a duck on Sep 6, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on moving Gaborik to the point on the PP

Meaning full time. They did that on 5 on 3’s last year. I just don’t have a lot of faith in any other Rangers D to be an effective pointman on the PP other than Del Zotto. Rozsival could be an asset if he ever cared to use his shot, but I have a feeling he’s a tiger that can’t change his stripes with regards to shooting.

Having another decent threat in Frolov could help spread the offense around on the PP unit. Put Gaborik on the right point, Frolov on the off-wing and Prospal down low to feed the puck.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Gaborik's not an awful choice for point on the PP

from a defensive perspective. Mainly because he plays very solid defense. But I like his danger around the net and in the slot. If he goes to the point other teams are going to be able to suffocate him out a little easier. Like teams did last year once they viewed the Rangers power play tape.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I hope Frolov gives them another threat, particularly on the other side of the ice

I agree that Gaborik does a lot of work from the faceoff circles on in. He’s not quite a long distance threat. He’s got a great release, definitely above average velocity but almost every highlight video of him (even on the Wild) he’s scoring mostly within 15 feet of the net.

Still, I think he’s also one of the best passers on the team and a problem I’ve seen with the Rangers PP over the past few seasons is poor puck movement to open up seams against the PK and Gaborik’s crisp passing and receiving skills help a lot.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gabby would be better on the wing because he relies more on a precise wrist shot and quickness. Kovy, Ovie, and Stamkos all have huge slapshots so they do well on the point.

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.
And to say Gabby can play very solid defense is just a litttle buyist. Try to look at it objectively for a second. Cause you have seen him backcheck before does not mean you know he can play solid defense

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's played solid defense for the team before

remember he did come from Leamire’s defense first system. I wouldn’t say that it’s bias at all, the man is good at D.

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Marc-Andre Bergeron also came from there. It’s far from a guarantee.

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by red army line on Sep 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marc-Andre Bergeron has also been with the Oilers, Wild, and Habs in the last 5 years. Gaborik was with the Wild since what? 01 or 02 before coming here?

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by Tripodi on Sep 2, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also am curious why we’re comparing a forward and a defenseman.

Gaborik’s a decent defensive forward, not spectacular. He did lead the team with a -7 on the PP last year, though obviously they’re not likely to be his fault persay.

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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he wasn’t, but I don’t want us to think that just because you’ve played in a defensive system, no matter for how long, you’re automatically good at defense. There are bad defensive players coming out of those systems, and good ones as well.

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by red army line on Sep 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off the top of my head I’d say he got Pat Burns in Edmonton, Jacques Martin in Montreal, Jacques Lemaire in Minnesota, and Randy Carlyle while he was briefly in Anaheim. That’s quite a list.

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by red army line on Sep 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also known as one of the worst defensive defenseman in the league. Obviously these coaches aren’t happy with him on their team, hence being shipped off elsewhere. I’m not saying Gabby is a great defensive forward or anything like that, but he isn’t bad either, I mean I recall him playing the PK every so often if my memory serves me right?

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by Tripodi on Sep 3, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but that was more for Tortorella

wanting him to use his speed to get breakaway chances than anything else

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by Joe Fortunato on Sep 3, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome work.
Any way you could have included forwards that played the point? Very interested how successful or unsuccessful of a strategy that is.
Thanks.

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m actually not understanding the IPP stat. Could you explain that a bit more please?

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

what percentage of the points scored while a certain player is on the ice does that particular player receive a point for is basically it

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Player X has 20 pp points. The team scored 34 pp goals while he was on the ice. So he had 20 points out of the 34 goals, so 58.824%.

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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why are we dividing by the number of goals?

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 3, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok nevermind. You’re just turning it into a percentage. I was thinking of “20 over 34” without realizing that the “over” is another way to say “divided by”

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by Scratch and Snif on Sep 3, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Smurf

Just got a chance to read this, excellent work as always.

by NTB on Sep 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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