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The Upstate Ranger Fan Dilemma

If youre a Ranger fan who has lived in Upstate NY all of your life, like me, you may remember growing up watching the Rangers. Never having to worry about them being blacked out or missing a game. However, all of that has changed. In 2006, when Buffalo lost their network, Empire Sports Network, to a bankruptcy scandal, MSG signed the Buffalo Sabres to a contract, allowing them to be aired.

 

Great news if you’re a Sabre fan, and you would ultimately learn that this was bad news if you’re a Ranger fan.  MSG has been broadcast in Upstate NY since its inception in 1969. Areas where there is Rangers and Sabres conflict today, like Utica and Albany, are and were predominantly Ranger markets due to this. Consider the geography as well. While some outsiders may think that the Sabres market is Upstate NY, its really Western NY. All of the Sabres advertisements are aimed toward the Western NY community. Albany is 4 hours from Buffalo, and 2 hours from NYC, yet as of 4 years ago, its in the "Sabres market" to the ire of many local Ranger fans. This is also the case in the Utica area as well. Theres a map providing the distance from Utica to NYC and Buffalo, that is outlines that Utica really is in fact, closer to NYC, by nearly 20 miles. Yet these areas, as a result of the NHL unilaterally taking control of everything in the league, changed the markets after the lockout and decided the Sabres need more fans, so lets take the Rangers off in Eastern Upstate NY and put the Sabres on.  Sure, its an attempt to make new fans, which it has, but youre also impeding on an already established fanbase, the Rangers. The NHL has made many new enemies in light of this, especially now that in Upstate NY, Rangers and Sabres fans loathe one another over it.

 

"Utica is closer to Buffalo than NYC."

"Oh, really? Lets check it out and see then."

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via farm5.static.flickr.com

 

Wow, its really not! How about that!

 

There are many Ranger fans in the Utica and Albany area that do complain about the Sabres getting precedence over the Rangers (which seemingly happened overnight), and they are told to "get Center Ice." Really, NHL? Get Center Ice? Why should we have to pay for a team that we should otherwise be seeing on our regular cable? Just so you can make an extra buck? (or 180).

 

Their presence is so little, there are even people that live in these areas that think the Sabres are an expansion team.

 

The conflict is so profound, there was even an online petition to get the Sabres off of MSG last year, which has actually gained a couple hundred signatures from Utica, to Albany, to Saratoga and Binghamton, and even help from our downstate friends in NYC.

 


MSG Petition to get Sabres off 

 

 

 

Its an atrocity. Lifelong, dedicated blueshirt fans that have grown up watching the Rangers, that in fact do live closer to NYC than Buffalo and should remain in the NY pro sports market, now either cannot watch their team or only get to watch a few games.

 

This isn’t Phoenix. This is Upstate New York. Its got decades of hockey history here. The people here are hockey fans and have been die hard hockey fans. There are already established fanbases set up throughout Upstate NY. The Buffalo Sabres have traditionally just been Western NY, and the Rangers have been NYC  and Eastern Upstate.  Its not rocket science Bettman. Its not rocket science Daly.

Theres even a fanbase map that shows where the Sabres majority is, and you can clearly see it dissipates once you get East of Syracuse (Utica and Albany). The strong yellow area in the middle is Utica, and Albany you can see has shades of Rangers and Bruins (although most in Albany would tell you that its mainly Rangers and Devils).

 

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via www.commoncensus.org

 

 

This map was just updated on August 29th, 2010, after nearly two years.

 

Im not sure what the NHL is trying to do here, but they don’t seem to be very knowledgeable of the subject either. To the point where even Rangers beat writer Larry Brooks of the NYPost caught wind of the issue last year and e-mailed NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly.  Per Brooks’ article:

 

"The question, posed in e-mails from disgruntled fans in the Albany region (as opposed to the gruntled ones who never seem to write), is why the Rangers are blacked out on television when Sabres' games conflict even though the capitol region is in far closer proximity to Manhattan than Buffalo.

The answer, as provided in an e-mail by deputy commissioner Bill Daly is that the Albany region is a "shared territory" for the Sabres, Rangers, Devils and Islanders, and that the Sabres are given precedence, "because the Rangers' footprint has traditionally pushed north and east (not north and west) and the Sabres' out-of-market territory has historically been New York State outside of the metropolitan area."

If, then, you're a Rangers fan whose footprints are north and east of the city, you likely are making them on a beach off the Atlantic Ocean. But you might be able to watch the games."

 

You can see here where Brooks even points out Daly’s geographical deficiency, considering the area he is talking about is the Atlantic Ocean, or really, New England.

 

If youre from Upstate NY, you will already know what all of this is about, and if youre not, hopefully now you can realize the bigotry that’s going on here.  Or maybe you’re just sick at the thought of seeing all this Sabres memorabilia starting to crop up around your area wondering, "when did this happen" or "why now?" after 40 years.

 

Eastern Upstate NY is a Rangers market, and has been for over 40 years since MSG’s inception as a network, when they played the Minnesota North Stars in their first television broadcast October 15th, 1969.

 

Even Poughkeepsie is now part of the "Sabres market" when its nearly 6 hours from Buffalo and 1 hour from NYC.

 

Should the Sabres just arbitrarily get precedence over the Rangers in virtually all of Upstate NY? Should areas closer to NYC than Buffalo like Albany be an overnight Sabre market?  What do you think? Hopefully I can raise some awareness to this issue, and if you are from any of these areas in Upstate NY, say something and join the cause. You know exactly what I am talking about.

 

 

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great article.
I feel for you man.
Thats truly horrible

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they lump the rest of New York with Buffalo just because the Rangers have the metropolitan area completely dominated. I suppose your only choice is to make the 3-4 hour drive down to see a Ranger game. Sorry mate!

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Sep 3, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

There just trying to get money from center ice

Screw them just stream the games from justin tv or one of the other sites it isnt worth buying there thing when they are obviously trying to strong arm the area into doing it.

by Pballer505 on Sep 4, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

That's total bs...

That sucks man, very unfortunate.

Proudly suffering as a Ranger fan

by Tripodi on Sep 4, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That must be absolutely agonizing. As a NJ resident I feel very fortunate to get Ranger games on MSG instead of Devils games (Devils are often on MSG plus, as are the Fishsticks). I hope you get to look forward to Versus games (though with their broadcast team, I can’t see how anyone would look forward to that). I have considered getting Center Ice but the cost is outlandish, and for someone in your position it is a really shitty situation.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Sep 4, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve heard about this, it definitely sucks and doesn’t make much sense.

The worst part is MSG doesn’t come in HD on Center Ice….which doesn’t make any sense either.

http://thehockeysuit.blogspot.com/

by The Suit on Sep 4, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Purely business decision. Let’s face it, the NHL and MSG don’t need more Ranger fans. They are trying to build up the smaller brand in Buffalo.

Absolutely brutal to imagine having only a few games on VS the entire season. BRUTAL.

by SimpleManiac on Sep 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Theyre not spreading the Sabres fanbase, theyre just pissing people off.

Buffalo and Rochester dont get any Rangers games.

Syracuse, Utica, Albany and Binghamton get up to 50 a year. For about 36 years it was all 82. Never had to worry, EVER.

Now, from Poughkeepsie, north throughout all the rest of the state, as of 2006, the NHL “switched” markets and made it Sabres (hilarious).

What happens is this. Say you live in Utica and you want Center Ice for the purpose of being able to watch ALL Rangers games, not just 50. Center Ice blacks out the local feeds so in essence, the Rangers still get blacked out because it actually IS a Ranger market.

Its so ass backwards. The NHL has no idea what fanbases are where.

Buffalo Sabres main market is Buffalo and Rochester, and it stretches to Syracuse (as seen on the fanbase map), which if you live in Upstate NY, will agree that the map for the most part is pretty accurate save for Albany.

The Rangers market and majority begins between Syracuse and Utica and extends all the way to downstate, including Albany.

How the NHL says Poughkeepsie is Sabres when its an hour (and its the first damn stop when MetroNorth goes to Grand Central) and SIX HOURS from Buffalo, I will never know.

Take a look at the petition and see where those people are. Theyre exactly in the areas outlined by the fanbase map and the NHL has no clue what the hell theyre doing.

Upstate NY is NOT Sabres. Western NY is Sabres. People on the Eastern side of the state know better. NYC has a MUCH bigger influence on that part of the state than Buffalo. Buffalo is a declining city with losing sports teams, do they really think people are going to root for them that are closer to NYC? They are out of their minds.

The NHL has gained the Sabres new fans in the process, but isnt going to change much considering these markets were strongholds for other teams to begin with.

Utica and Albany also have considerable amounts of Devils fans, to the point where you can say they even rival Sabres fans. They both had/have the Devils AHL affiliate.

This league really is run by a bunch of morons that know dick about marketing.

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I was unaware of this. That’s f-ed up. It’s an aggressive tactic to make people buy Center Ice and it’s low. At least this isn’t the Rangers fault.

I would put this right up there with the late Blackhawks ownner Wirtz who blacked out home games of his own team so people would come to more games. It’s truly unbelievable the level of stupidity in this world.

This issue should be getting a lot more coverage. Send this to Greg Wshynski.

http://thehockeysuit.blogspot.com/

by The Suit on Sep 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually..

Greg Wyshynski already had it on his blog last year.

He caught wind of the Petition from a Rangers blog and put it up on his Puck Daddy Yahoo Blog. That resulted in alot of press and lots of signatures.

Upstate Ranger fans in these areas just need a voice, they need an outlet. These people call up Time Warner all the time wanting to know what the hell happened. The NHL just all the sudden changed the market.

Imagine being able to watch your team your whole life not having to worry about them being blacked out, and then one day, another team is on? Then they tell you youre in their market, when in actuality, theyre really not.

Does the NHL really think it knows Upstate New York better than Upstate New Yorkers? The Buffalo market is and always has been Buffalo and Rochester, which is Western NY. Do they really think Albany is going to root for a Buffalo team when its not only closer to NYC by 2 hours, but Montreal, Jersey, Boston, Philly, and the Islanders? Albany is really, closer to 6 other markets before Buffalo, and all the sudden in 2006, bam! Sabres?

This is actually a common topic at bars as well. “The f*ckin Sabres are on?” etc.

If youre in the Utica and/or Albany area, you know exactly what im talking about. Your team gets ripped out from underneath you and then they tell you to get Center Ice. (which doesnt even work itself since they black out the local feed ie: RANGERS)

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 6, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think this is all about increasing the Sabres fan base. They can’t be dumb enough to think all of New York besides the Metro area is for the Sabres, they obviously just want more support from them. I didn’t even realize they were a New York team until they played the rangers in the 06 (I think) playoffs.

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Sep 6, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t realize Buffalo was in NY? Haha that’s funny

http://thehockeysuit.blogspot.com/

by The Suit on Sep 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad but true. I remember telling my sister, “GOD FUCKING DAMNIT, now I’ve got no new york teams to support,” and she told me “Buffalo IS a New York team.” After many “nuh-uh”s she brought me a map and pointed Buffalo out… You learn something every day

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Sep 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

im from Orange County New York

if I had to watch the Sabres over my Rangers I would bug out

by ChiaCrack on Sep 4, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

me too… where abouts?

by j-red on Sep 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear yea man, Im a college student in Cortland NY and I have to watch the games on crappy live streams over the internet to be able to see all 82 games. last year it was Rangers v Isles and the Sabres had a game at the same time, so the Sabres were on MSG and you would think Rangers Isles would be on MSG + right?? wrong the Game 362 was on MSG +. I was f***ing pissed, it was a good game too we scored 5 goals for the first time in forever and I had to watch it using crappy slow internet streams it was almost torture. So I definitely feel your pain man.

by CrazyRangerFan on Sep 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Well..

If you had gone to Cortland before 2006 you wouldnt have had a problem.

This all cropped up about 4 years ago so its a fairly recent issue.

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 6, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite frankly

4 teams on MSG is way too many.

Leave the Rangers on MSG, you know, THEIR NETWORK.

Give the Islanders to SNY (it only makes sense considering the Mets and Jets are there as well)

Put the Devils on YES.

Granted SNY and YES will have conflicts but additional channels is what im saying.

The Sabres can find their own damn network for all I care. It isnt Rangers fans fault they lost their network to a bankruptcy scandal.

What makes the Sabres on MSG that much worse is their announcer Rick Jeanneret. Nothing worse than seeing those gay Slug jerseys around the ice and Rick Jeanneret homering the games. Because youre in the “Buffalo market” when really, youre 20 miles closer to NYC.

Isnt that something?

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 6, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

preach on!!

How I loathe Rick DeJeaneret his voice is so grating an annoying it’s like torture. It’s just very frustrating when you turn on the TV and see on the guide “Rangers vs. Whoever” and you get all set to watch the game and turn it on and sure enough, bam! The Sabres that upjumped AHL team come on with Rick DeJeaneret screaming about caruba collisions and crap that I have no idea what he’s talking about. (I mean for Gods sake they call Soda, Pop out there) Buffalo might as well be part of Ohio for all I know, and I really don’t care to identify with them. I live in Saratoga and know allot of hockey fans and literally zero of them are Sabres fans. Mostly Rangers and Devils fans around here. (since the Rats were the devils and now the Albany Devils are there) We probably have more Red Wings fans here and north because of the Adirondack Red Wing playing for 20 years in Glens Falls (who is Phillys team now much to my chagrin…then again I’ll get to see the Pack a few times this winter). Needless to say the league needs to get their heads out of their asses and put the teams that people actually want to watch on TV. How are they generating any revenue when people shut the TV off in disgust? Can you imagine if MLB decided to put say the Toronto Blue Jays on YES in Albany and Utica? That would be something else right there. All the league needs to do is show up to an Albany Devils vs. Hartford Wolfpack game and they’ll see. While they are at it go up and watch a Phantoms vs Pack game and see who shows up to that. I know I’ll be at all those games in my Rangers jersey.

Nothing says powerplay like strobe lights and video game music.

by fromthe51hate on Sep 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a Rangers fan from the Utica area too. Right now I go to school in Buffalo, I feel your pain.

by GBK2 on Sep 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The NHL and Center Ice just do not care.
If you are a Ranger fan living outside of the Tri state area, MSG HD is always blacked out on Center Ice for EVERY GAME….we are then forced to watch the game in standard def which is pathetic and blurry on a large screen HD TV.
Directv blames MSG.
MSG blames the NHL and Center Ice will never respond.
NHL once tried to blame bandwidth, but later retracted that excuss.
Sad to pay $160 a year for Center Ice plus $12 a month for regional sports networks (MSG) and once the game starts, MSG HD goes blank.
This is just another example of why the NHL is run by idiots who just don’t give the fans what they pay for……
Pro wrestling in run better than the NHL

by NYR94 on Sep 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I signed the petition earlier this year. I’m from Schenectady, and completely know what you’re talking about. I’d say we see about 50-60 games a year due to the blackout in upstate NY. It’s infuriating. I’ve emailed MSG as well. They continue to state that it’s not their problem. Time Warner Cable also says it’s an NHL issue. So, basically, until the Gaybres get their own network, we’re pretty much f*cked.

MATTEAU!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!! MATTEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by stonecoldcory on Sep 9, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Gaybres

Good to know that the usage of “Gaybres” is not only found in Utica, hahahahaha

What has happened because of this is a newfound hatred for all things Sabres in Eastern Upstate NY. Before 2006, nobody really knew or cared about the Sabres. Now that they are shoved down practically everyone’s throats, they are just easy public enemy #1.

Honestly, because of this, most Upstate Ranger fans wouldnt be too far off saying they are hated as much as the Flyers or Devils.

by Scarlino on Sep 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d put the sabres right up there with the flyers for sure

by GBK2 on Sep 10, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt get a chance to read this whole thing….but i spent 4 years in Troy (outside Albany) and everytime i turned on MSG for a rangers and instead heard those dickweeds from buffalo talking…i immediately ran for the nearest source of alcohol to calm down…it was sickening.

probably nothing i hate more than the “Carruba Collision” segments….

by Master Ov Brutality on Sep 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea. Usually they arent even good hits.

by GBK2 on Sep 10, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing us Ranger fans have been able to notice is how much of a homer Rick Jeanneret is.

and yes, they arent even good hits.

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 10, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its an ABOMINATION

Yes NHL, please, take away one of the most storied NHL teams in history, with classic jerseys, tradition, class, 4 Stanley Cup Championships, some of the greatest players in the game and in history, in the greatest city, in the greatest arena, for…

a fucking Buffalo team? a team with an angry cashew as a fucking logo? NO CUPS? annoying fans and Rick Jeanneret?

are you KIDDING ME?

If you want to spread a fanbase, dont do it at the expense of others that are already established. Putting Buffalo on MSG, the Rangers OWN NETWORK after being able to watch them for nearly 40 years is like kicking us while we’re down.

If youre going to do that, at least LEAVE the Rangers on MSG and give those very few Sabre fans an optional second channel so they can watch their teams.

youre catering to the minority here. Real brilliant guys. Bang up job.

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 10, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention..

We have essentially been stripped of our favorite team for another team, on our own network, whilst also keeping them afloat.

This entire thing is truly wacked.

by MyNameIsJohnnyMotto on Sep 10, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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