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Sather's greatest hits

Note by Jim Schmiedeberg, Just wanted to let the Rangers know, we're about to delve into more "irresponsible fan behavior"......take it away joereiter:

Yeah, we all know the deal. Terrible with free agents, worse with his own RFAs, completely invisible to the fan base and media, a cigar smokin' tool sitting in Banff and running the team remotely like it's his fantasy hockey entry.

But in the course of looking up the "you've got to be a lion" quote in the aftermath of the Lindros trade waaaaay back when (which led to my calling him Simba in a bunch of emails after someone I knew got me his personal email address, they started getting bounced back shortly thereafter), I found some quotes, mostly pre-lockout, that are just a window into what a complete FAIL the Sather Error has been.

The best of the bunch after the jump.

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I'll try to do these chronologically, but some of 'em just aren't dated.

The infamous pre-Rangers hire quote:

"If I had the Rangers payroll, I'd never lose a game"

Still in the pre-Rangers hire mode, a commentary on free agency:

"But even if I had been in Atlanta and I had the budget that team may or may not have, I still would not have paid
(goalie) Curtis Joseph $24 million for four years. I think you're a lot better off getting a group of young guys
together, teach them about the game and about life and bring them along. You're much better off than trying to hit a home run with a bunch of 30-year-old free agents."

After being hired by the Rangers:

"I'm going to send out a bit of a wakeup call to the entire team. If you're not going to work and sacrifice yourself, then there's no room for you."

"I'm not singling anybody out, but if these veterans don't come in ready, we'll be the first team to have $6 million players in the minors, and I'm not kidding. I don't want anyone to waste my time."

"I'm going to send out a bit of wakeup call to the entire team," Sather declared. "If you're not prepared to work
and sacrifice yourself, there's not going to be room for guys on this team that are just along for the ride. It's
not a retirement process here."

After introducing Ron Low as head coach in July 2000:

"It's not acceptable for this team not to make the playoffs"

On signing Vladimir Malakhov:

"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."

On trading for Lindros:

"No. I don't think it's very risky. You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

After signing Dave Karpa and Igor Ulanov as free agents:

"I just want to make sure that these are the kind of guys that we were going to get. I've talked a lot about Karpa
with other people, and I know that both of them wanted to come here. So I was very happy to get both of them."

On trading for Tom Poti:

"I think he'll be one of the top players in the league."

Sather's thoughts on fans booing throughout the 2001-02 season:

"Well, that's the way it works in sports. You cheer and help the team get better. You boo them, they get worse. It's the same as your children. If you have a child who is having trouble in school and you berate him every day he's never going to get any better."

After several years of running amok on the free agency market and stockpiling high-priced veterans without an infusion of youth:

"At some point in time, this organization has got to get younger and get some enthusiasm."

On his plan for the future, I think pre-lockout:

"The hardest part for everyone will be to stay patient and understand that we are committed to building a team from within that can have long-term success in New York"

On signing Marek Malik:

"Marek is a big, strong defenseman who adds a physical presence to our blue line. His size and skill will bolster our penalty-killing unit."

On his #6 overall pick, Al Montoya, currently a backup in the AHL:

"Al is one of the top goaltending prospects in hockey and we are extremely pleased to have signed him, ... We feel this will be a big step for Al in advancing his development. He has been working extremely hard this summer and we are looking forward to seeing him on the ice at training camp in September."

On the overall plan for the future of the Rangers.....again:

"I feel really reluctant to talk too much about it because this is only the first step in what we are trying to do and what we are trying to accomplish. There are more goals to achieve and there is a bigger picture ahead of us."

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This is just a stunning collection here amassed from across the interwebs, and the scary part is how much it shows a clear disconnect between his talent evaluation and the actual talents of the players mentioned. Poti & Malakhov superstars? Did he really believe that?

I didn't even include the 'best first passer' line he had after signing Redden, and I'm probably missing some other doozies...but this just goes to show nothing has changed in his running of the team in ten years.

I was TWENTY-FIVE when he took over. Sather has been GM almost 1/3 of my life.

I need vodka.

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Just so you know.....

Vodka doesn’t help.
Neither does scotch.
Or bourbon.

Even the Captain runs away screaming.

It may take the edge off – but like coming out of a hangover – the same Sather is there to greet you the next game/season …etc. etc…

by dbmaven on Sep 8, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the plan is to never stop drinking then? Cause i like this plan..

I rec’d that shit.

by Steven Hida on Sep 8, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a more damning qutoe ever uttered...
“If I had the Rangers payroll, I’d never lose a game.” -Glen Sather

That one is precious.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Sep 8, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Prophecy?

How long after he was hired did he say this one?

“I’m not singling anybody out, but if these veterans don’t come in ready, we’ll be the first team to have $6 million players in the minors, and I’m not kidding. I don’t want anyone to waste my time.”

by nyrnyr1994 on Sep 8, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i seem to remember that from his introductory press conference

june 2000

I am personally placing a hundred-dollar bounty on the head of Tim McCracken. He's the head coach and chief punk on that Syracuse team.

by joereiter on Sep 8, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's so awesome

i wish i could see the video replay of that with my own eyes.

The Loneliest Ranger fan living in Philadelphia.

by MooseRanger on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Classic post.

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I Believe In Chris Drury

by Plusch on Sep 8, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally

I love this one:


“No. I don’t think it’s very risky. You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don’t make this deal, you’re a
mouse forever….Wouldn’t you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?”

That’s classic Glen-speak.

If audio of him saying that exists, I must have it

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 8, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

if there is i have yet to find it

as i said in another post, that quote stood out to me for years, and i used to address him as simba when i had access to his msg email address in 2001-02….right before they started filtering them out and bouncing them back to the sender

oh, and thanks for pushing this up to the top!

I am personally placing a hundred-dollar bounty on the head of Tim McCracken. He's the head coach and chief punk on that Syracuse team.

by joereiter on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lindros Trade

Actually, I don’t think this trade was bad at all. Hlavac’s best season after the trade came when he scored 25 goals in the SEL. Brendl never became anything, The only decent player in the deal was Kim Johnsson, and I would have moved him for Lindros straight up, without question.

The thing I love about this quote, is thinking to this past offseason. Slats had another chance to be a lion, with one of the top 5 players in the game available in Kovi, and Slats couldn’t make the moves to get his deal under the cap. Where was the lion then?

by BuckarooClub on Sep 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lindros Trade

was bad when you consider it was trading assets for a guy who, while still fairly young, had already developed a bad rep in the locker room, a bad rep for being injury prone, and a well-documented series of concussions

granted, none of hlavac, brendl or jonsson (or that third round draft pick in 2003) ever really hurt to lose, but just the idea of dealing (and building) around an injury prone vet of nine years was against everything sather had sworn he’d do to turn things around

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Sep 9, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that’s the thing, they were prospects. The number of prospects that actually pan out is small. It’s all about knowing the ones you have, and dealing the ones you don’t think are going to make it, before anyone else knows they stink. I’m not saying that’s exactly what Slats did, but the odds were in his favor.

Lindros’ injuries should have been a concern, however, that’s a situation where Slats has to have the people under him, in a medical capacity, to make the call on how much of a risk that is. We had Lindros for most of 3 seasons, he put up better number then most of our guys to now during that time, it was a win for us.

Regarding his attitude, I’ve always been a believer that alot of that surrounded his initial refusal to play for a Canadian team, and the fans and press up north never let that go. What would have been a few isolated incidents of frustration from a top player, became a career of being branded a bad egg. In his defense, would any of you sign to play for a team who would only offer you 65% of what you could get playing 80% of the other teams in the league?

by BuckarooClub on Sep 9, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy..

You sure are infatuated with Kovalchuk.

by KingHenrik on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say I'm infatuated with him

But I think it’s going to be a while before another Top 5 FA hits the open market in his prime. Also the loop hole the Devs got his contract in under is now gone, so it was the last chance at a great player with a manageable cap hit.

by BuckarooClub on Sep 9, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey no complaints here, I often get overly interested in guys with very high amounts of talent (I still talk about Pavel Bure like he’s playing hockey today) and I will definitely agree that Kovalchuk is the best free agent forward to hit the market maybe ever. I just don’t think it would’ve ever made sense for us to sign him given the state we’re in cap wise.

by KingHenrik on Sep 10, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

We weren’t in a good cap position, but “A Lion” would find a way to get involved.

by BuckarooClub on Sep 10, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sather always reminded me of a hyena

by teknics on Sep 10, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well

That was nice and depressing.

by KingHenrik on Sep 8, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 9, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes

"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama

by BL3ACH on Sep 8, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

……this just in……Wade Redden given a raise and guarantee he will be on the big club this season………nah, just kidding……carry on.

by earthworm on Sep 8, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

wow…..
well good right up, this says it all……
someone email this to Dolan please?

by Ahmad Bradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Like that'll change anything.

Good fan-post bud.

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by Rob L on Sep 9, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more

"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities."

Translated: Somehow I will trade him to get Jagr.
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“But even if I had been in Atlanta and I had the budget that team may or may not have, I still would not have paid (goalie) Curtis Joseph $24 million for four years. I think you’re a lot better off getting a group of young guys together, teach them about the game and about life and bring them along. You’re much better off than trying to hit a home run with a bunch of 30-year-old free agents.”

"This has been a long process, and it’s ongoing, but as we go into this summer, our plan is to keep our own players. I can tell you one thing — we are certainly not going to overpay for free agents. If we can improve with a signing that makes sense, we’ll look into it, but we want to give our guys the first shot." (This offseason)

Pre-Rangers and modern day Sather compared… looks like someone learned a little lesson, just cost hundreds of millions of dollars and throwing away our (poorly drafted) youth like confetti for a decade or so.

In Hank we trust.

by Dig Deep on Sep 9, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I love this post. So incredibly sad. And people wonder why I am so down on this franchise …

I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!

by Scotty Hockey on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny post

Dont forget the quote about Redden being the best first passer in the game LMAO hahah!!!

by MattPwrcf1 on Sep 9, 2010 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Sep 9, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

lolz

"Mes que un club"
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"

by Scratch and Snif on Sep 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

best post ever

Funny, historically accurate, and steaming with rage…..has anybody ever summed up Glen Sather’s idiocy better than this? It’s always great to hang an idiot with his own words.

Prole art threat.

by greifi griffie on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks guys

you know which quote is still the most infuriating one to me?

“Well, that’s the way it works in sports. You cheer and help the team get better. You boo them, they get worse. It’s the same as your children. If you have a child who is having trouble in school and you berate him every day he’s never going to get any better.”

any intelligent owner would’ve stepped in at that moment to explain you don’t antagonize the fan base, especially when you’ve put three consecutive crappy teams together

luckily, we have the dolans, who….er……

if dolan & sather hadn’t almost completely burned the passion out of me i’d be an alcoholic

"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"

by joereiter on Sep 9, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

What makes it even sadder

Is that these are basically the entire list of Sather’s soundbites that you can get, period. It’s not like he’s sprinkled some of these pearls of wisdom with other statements. It’s almost guaranteed that when he emerges from his office he’s going to say something stupid. I’ve read it over and over again, but Omar Minaya or Brian Cashman would kill to have the cloak of anonymity that Sather has gotten over the past 10 years.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Sep 9, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hahahah

Proudly suffering as a Ranger fan

by Tripodi on Sep 10, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Rangers win the cup and Sather is the GM

will you boo him or cheer him when he’s shown on Gardenvision?

i should create a poll shouldn’t i?

http://thehockeysuit.blogspot.com/

by The Suit on Sep 9, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

after everything he put the fanbase through

i predict that they would boo him even though the team has won the cup

of course Slats would probably come out and say something snobish about building a winning team and that the fans were just impatient

by Kevin Power on Sep 9, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the last one who should be correcting grammar

But I’m pretty sure you need to capitalize both letter in “If” – the way we look now, MAKING the playoffs might even be a big IF.

by BuckarooClub on Sep 9, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly his point, forgetting everything predicted, if at the end of the season they won the cup would you or would you not boo sather. I mean think about it, right now you think making the playoffs will be a challenge imagine if you could jump forward to the Cup Finals and see them win the cup without seeing the rest of the season.

by teknics on Sep 10, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, I’m NOT saying they’re going to do anything, maybe they click this year, maybe not.

by teknics on Sep 10, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I understood. Just reinforcing his opinion. Guess my tone didn’t traslate well onto the post.

by BuckarooClub on Sep 12, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

this made me laaaaaaaaugh

Sather’s thoughts on fans booing throughout the 2001-02 season:

“Well, that’s the way it works in sports. You cheer and help the team get better. You boo them, they get worse. It’s the same as your children. If you have a child who is having trouble in school and you berate him every day he’s never going to get any better.”

No Glenn, fans boo because a) they want a championship with the team they love and root for with their heart and souls b) when your team fails to get into even the playoffs, you get booed, c) fans pay a LOT of money just to see this team play, and if they play well, they cheer, if they don’t they boo. SIMPLE as PIE.
Stop putting your head in the sand, dunk it in the toilet instead….!

I had no problem with Big E Trade, to be honest, I felt he played decently when he was healthy…..I had forgotten Dave Karpa and Igor Ulavanov were Rangers…good grief.

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by feslenraster on Sep 10, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh god Ulanov was a nightmare!!!!

Yet some how he got traded for Bure. That might be Sather’s best trade.

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by The Suit on Sep 10, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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