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Rangers News: Some Hope for Vinny Prospal

It's been an uphill battle for forward Vinny Prospal all season long, trying to recover from the knee surgery he underwent in the off-season. He has not played in a single game yet this year, as the furthest he has gotten before suffering a setback is practicing with the team. But Saturday's skate with the club was a bit different for Prospal, since this time he said there was no pain in his knee while out on the ice. Sunday - the dreaded "day after" - may have been a different story, but this weekend's progress was good news for the 35-year-old Czech native.

Head coach John Tortorella was very upbeat about Prospal when discussing the matter with Andrew Gross of Ranger Rants:

"Vinny’s feeling good, we’ll see how it goes," Tortorella said. "After the All-Star break, we’ll see how it reacts and go from there."

Prospal himself, on the other hand, was very careful about what he said, but seemed somewhat encouraged at the very least:

"I don’t want to say anything because I’ve felt OK before," Prospal added. "The last six, seven days, I’ve been able to push off a lot harder than it used to be.

"It’s been a tough year, I’ve never had anything like this happen to me before," said Prospal. "I don’t want to jinx it. I can’t say how it will be tomorrow but I’ve been very happy with the last few days."

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Vinny finished last season with 58 points in 75 games played, which was good for second overall on the Rangers in scoring. He played awfully well with star winger Marian Gaborik and was also an impact player on special teams. At the time, he was the team's alternate captain and nothing brought life to that bench better than Prospal's intensity.

I think the concern moving forward is that if Prospal does return this season, there is a chance he will not be the same player he was last year. He has not played in an NHL game in nearly ten months, plus knee surgery can have a permanent impact on a person, no matter how hard you work to get them back to 100 percent.

But that stuff cannot be Prospal's focus at this point in time. He simply has to take things day-by-day and continue to put weight on his knees in practice to see how they react. He is a fighter, so I have a feeling that he will return sometime later in the season, and even if it is only for the playoffs, that is perfectly fine with me.

Prospal is the type of guy you would love to have on your team, whether he can contribute a lot or a little, because he is pure heart and soul and a hell of a leader to boot. With all of the young kids now in the lineup, Prospal is a great personality to have around.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for good ol' Mr. Intensity.

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“I don’t want to say anything because I’ve felt OK before,” Prospal added. "The last six, seven days, I’ve been able to push off a lot harder than it used to be.

Great sign, even a Vinny at 70% would be better than nothing right now. I don’t expect him to come back and be the secondary offensive weapon he was last year, but if he can contribute on the powerplay and get a few games in after the All-Star break to see how he holds up it might be huge for the Rangers. I’ve been counting him out of the equation (perhaps unfairly) all year so far when I have been trying to guess what the roster will be when the Rangers are at 100% health. If and when he comes back he may very well be a huge addition to the roster and add another weapon to a team that desperately needs some offense.

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by Dig Deep on Jan 24, 2011 7:20 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously, why bother? Nothing against Prospal who is a great guy but what’s the point? So a lot of fans are saying that Prospal is the only one that can “save” Gaby at this point? How about Gaby taking the initiative and making things happen on his own. Everyone tells me he’s a top player then act like it for God’s sakes. He’s certainly paid like one. Enough already with the excuses. With all the injuries here this is Gaby’s time to step up and, so far, unless we play the Isles, Oilers, or Leafs it hasn’t happened. Saying he doesn’t have Prospal is a really lame excuse, IMO. Everyone else on this team has done whatever it takes to win and play hard. It’s not fair to them quite honestly.

by Richter1994 on Jan 24, 2011 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t even care about the Gaborik angle, adding another 60 pt forward to the lineup can’t hurt. Even if he’s a shell of himself and gives you the equivalent of a 35-40 point season, he adds offense to a team that is already pretty deep.

Plus he’s one more player that could help force Drury out of the lineup, assuming Drury still stinks when Prospal is healthy.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 24, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

George, don’t they have other players that can pitch in as opposed to a 35 year old with bad knees that hasn’t played yet this season?

by Richter1994 on Jan 24, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m going on the assumption that the aforementioned depth means he doesn’t come back unless he’s 100%, so the knees, in my mind, don’t play into it.

Despite the love of their energy and intanglibles, he’s just a better hockey player than Avery or EC, who most are slotting in next to Gaborik in the “we’re all healthy” lineups. That’s without mentioning Prospal had 19 PP pts last year, an area where we’ve struggled.
 
Of course, the depth also means that he comes back and he’s not effective, you pull the plug quickly. I don’t see the downside to hoping one of our most talented offensive players gets healthy in a hurry.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 24, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you don’t remember the last 25% of last season. :).

by Richter1994 on Jan 24, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

If he does come back, it’s going to create quite a log-jam at forward.

Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Wolski-Boyle-Zuccarello? (I know Prust has been awesome here…but you can’t put a talent like Zuke into 4th line minutes. Absolutely not. Boyle centering those 2 could be a real dangerous line too)
EC-Drury-Prust (Yes, EC can contribute much more than Avery. Shootouts, PP time, some extra offensive kick from the 4th unit. Rather see Newbury than Drury…but captain, 7mil….)

Only potential change I could see is…odd as it may seem, putting Dubinsky back at center and dropping AA down to the 4th line (AA has been invisible lately, outside of the Toronto game, which shouldn’t count for anything). This move gets Prust back up into the top 9 (which he’s fully earned IMO).

Prospal-Dubinksy-Gaborik (could also slot Vinny at center if he’s ready for it)
Wolski-Stepan-Zuke
Prust-Boyle-Callahan
EC-AA-Newbury or Drury

Would love to see Vinny P. back, and though there’s a good deal of talent with our team, he also adds a load of experience that would be good for everyone.

by Caerid112 on Jan 24, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Forgot Fedotenko. When we’re all healthy he’s either 4th line or scratched. He’s not replacing any of the top 9 guys. He doesn’t take Drury’s spot, EC is a better option for scoring potential…leaves Anisimov as the only person I think he could replace. Though if Prospal can’t go, then there’s a definitie top 9 spot for Feds.

by Caerid112 on Jan 24, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

disagree with your lines tbh. enough with anisimov on the 4th line. remember how well he played with dubi and cally? that line was amazing. hes on pace for 45 points. a 21 year old who can put up 45 points and play solid defensively SHOULD NOT BE ON THE 4TH LINE. simple as that. now if vinny can come back thats great, and id slot him in instead of christensen.

you plan to move dubinsky to center, and than have 2 left wings that arent even left wings? he plays better on the wing, let him stay there. it lets him be more involved around the net with dirty goals. i love guys like prust and feds, but they shouldnt be on a higher line than anisimov.

dubinsky anisimov callahan
wolski stepan mza
avery prospal gaborik
feds boyle prust

thats what i would do if everyones healthy atleast, with EC and Drury as healthy scratches. Prospal and Avery are two players Gaborik has chemistry with, it lets avery play at the top of his game, AND these lines allow u to keep 3 lines together hat have been good.

feds boyle prust have been great for a while now and theres no need to break them up. wolski step mza have been our best line lately and they should stay together as well. dubi aa cally played great when they were together and are great offensively and defensively.

great times not only have depth, but chemistry. these lines have worked in the past and continue to work, so why change them? ive supported drury for a while, but he along with christensen are not top 12 forwards on this team when everyone is healthy, and therefore should not play. torts wont play him if he doesnt deserve it.

we have wolski, mza, and stepan for shootouts, as well as dubinsky for we dont need to play an invisible christensen all game just “in case” theres a shootout. we know what avery is like when hes on his game, and everytime hes paired with gaborik he is. he would give gaborik and prospal space to work. we have all seen the difference between a gaborik w/ space and a gaborik w/o space.

now the actual line numbers dont matter much. if torts is smart hell match the anisimov and boyle lines against the other teams top lines, and let the prospal and stepan lines feast on other teams 3rd and 4th line competition.

well have a deeper team than others and we can take advantage of it by rolling four capable lines and keeping everyone rested.

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 24, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

not to mention this gives us four lines who can all score pretty regularly. by the end of the season wed have a 20 goal scorer on each line.

what teams can match up with that? what teams have 6 solid defensemen than can all match up against scoring threats?

anisimov and stepan have the same amount of games played (50) and stepan has 3 extra points. if you believe those 3 points separate a “1st line player” and an “invisible player” than so be it, but i disagree completely.

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 24, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with what you posted above, with a few caveats. Torts is well-known for his line tinkering, so he could very well put Dubinsky with Gaborik to help ‘get Gaborik going’.
Also, Vinny P. is still a ways off, and a longshot at being productive this season, but the speculation is interesting. The center thing is just speculation from a Tort’s standpoint, it’s nothing I’d ever do.

I like the depth throughout the lines you have, but one of those lines is going to get crap for ice-time unless we’re in a blow-out or playing a shit team. Especially with the Boyle unit being matched up against other team’s top lines, they’re going to log probably 17-19 minutes. That leaves ~13.5ish minutes for the other lines. Gaborik’s line will probably log around 19~20 (Gaborik probably double-shifts a few and gets 22ish). Down to 10ish for the others.

So, while it’s nice to have 4 well-balanced lines and hoping they all get ~15 minutes a game, in reality, somebody’s getting a lot less. And, assuming this is a healthy playoff lineup, I’d have to assume a guy like EC plays for Avery, especially since Avery produces little and is a penalty time-bomb (Washington playoffs), and EC has a lot of skill and can help the PP.

As far as the Stepan/AA thing…I love AA, and I think he’s got a lot of potential, as well as Stepan. But as of right now, Stepan is making things happen, regardless of his points. And come playoff time, against real teams (read: not Toronto), you ride your guns, and rolling 4 lines only happens in blow-out wins. So, yeah, I try to load the best players up in the top 3 units, and EC-AA-Feds as a 4th line, which is still quite a good unit for the ~7 minutes it might see.

Again, nobody’s wrong here, and the speculation is fun. Would be nice to have Prospal back though, talent, leadership, experience. Would be a complimentary boost to the younger guys.

by Caerid112 on Jan 24, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i just think its a complete waste to have a guy like anisimov playing 7 mins a game, but thats just me. thats not going to help him grow and he should be a part of our core for a while.

also torts never just runs “lines” he mixes and matches throughout the game as well.

and theres no reason a good coach cant play each line 13 mins +

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 24, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I’m looking at it more from a point of winning playoff games though, because it probably would be very close to playoff time before the entire team, and Prospal is 1. actually playing and 2. is conditioned enough to handle 15-20 minutes nightly. If somebody isn’t ‘going’, which I don’t think AA is at this moment (again, ignore the Toronto game), then they’re just not going to see ice-time.

As for the regular season, AA should have his ass played off, especially right now when we’re missing a lot of players. He’s still got a lot of work to do, especially in the off-season (strength and skating), but there’s no reason, right now, to not have him get 18-20 a night in all situations (PP, ES, PK). Whether he’s going or not.

by Caerid112 on Jan 24, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

but by that logic gaborik wont see ice time either? if were ignoring the toronto game anisimov is doing more than he is.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 24, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

nail>head

Moshe, i agree 100% w/ those lines. dubinsky anisimov callahan, wolski stepan mza, and feds boyle prust have been the strongest lines, best chemistry together, and the only reason they’ve been switched is due to injuries and experimentation. priority should be to get them back together ASAP.

by mattyice35 on Jan 24, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

These

are the best lines I’ve seen all season. I would love for all 4 of those lines to pretty much rotate evenly.

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by Tripodi on Jan 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s just hope some of our spare parts get shipped out at the deadline for some help on the back end. I have a feeling we are gonna get some Beauchemin action in the near future….

by ThisToastNeedsMoreJAM. on Jan 24, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

man I am rooting for this guy

what a great hockey player and a great man he is
yeah I watched the pregame too and I thought he looked alot better and he seemed to be in higher spirits
I would love to get Vinny back man
if he can come back and stay healthy I would be so happy
i bet he can give us one more year in 2011 as well

personally Id rather give him the C than Drury, Prospal is the model to what this team expects and wants

by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

say we get back EC Prospal Cally Dubi Feds right

im scratching Drury every game
he has no use over those players excpet EC maybe
wont create a logjam you simply play your best players
regardless of his phony captain status and 7 million dollars, plus his PK skills

by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

exactly.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 24, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

EC is good at the shootouts, and one nice goal every 2 weeks which makes him more useful than Drury.

by The Blue Seats on Jan 24, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss his reaction when we scored goals

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by Tripodi on Jan 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

yea…. I need to see that ‘goal face’ again. class act.

by j-red on Jan 24, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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