Semin and Moulson Given Extensions, Rangers Dodge a Bullet?
Recently two of the bigger fish have been removed from this upcoming off-season's free agent market. Both Alexander Semin and Matt Moulson were given contract extensions. The Washington Capitals offered a one-year extension to 26 year old Russian sniper Alex Semin worth $6.7 million next year, Semin has 35 points in 39 games this year. The New York Islanders locked-up 27 year old Matt Moulson, who would have become a free agent after this season with a 3 year extension supposedly worth $9.4 million.
It is no secret that the Rangers are involved in the offseason free agent market each and every year. This past offseason the Rangers landed free agents Derek Boogaard, Martin Biron, Mats Zuccarello, Alex Frolov, and Ruslan Fedotenko, with a considerable amount of players becoming free agents after this season and some cap room freed up there is a lot of talk about the Rangers pursuing some big free agents. With Semin and Moulson off the market, the free agent market just got much shallower... though the big fish Brad Richards still remains an UFA and a possible target for the Rangers this summer. More after the jump...
Upcoming UFA for the Rangers: Ruslan Fedotenko ($1 mill), Steve Eminger ($1.125 mill), Alex Frolov ($3.0 mill), Vinny Prospal ($1.08 mill base + $1.4 mill bonuses)
Upcoming RFA for the Rangers: Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan Callahan, Mike Sauer, Artem Anisimov, Brian Boyle, Matt Gilroy
I will leave interpretation of the RFA alone for now because I think it is safe to say at this point that the Rangers want to bring back as many of the RFA as possible, especially Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, and Boyle. Of all of the UFA for the Rangers I think it is safe to say that the Rangers will bring back no more than two of them, if any at all. It goes without saying that the Alex Frolov experiment is done here in New York and possibly in the entire NHL. Vinny Prospal isn't getting any younger, and though he was a bargain this year and last year for the Rangers (despite being injured) the team can go with the kids instead of the veteran Prospal. Both Fedotenko and Eminger have been great fits in New York but their spot on next year's roster is anything but guaranteed. The Rangers might pursue bringing back Eminger if they think the kids on the blueline might not be ready for shouldering the load but in reality the Rangers will be just fine without the services of Eminger next year. If the club can get him for a bargain he'd be a great 7th defenseman to keep on the roster. Ruslan Fedotenko is 32 years old, that fact alone might dissuade Sather from bringing him back for another year (or few) at a similar salary cap hit. There is no denying that Fedotenko has been valuable to the team this year, his play alongside Prust and Boyle has made him stand out as a key two-way forward.
So what does this all mean? At the very least the Rangers will find themselves with an additional $4 million in cap room (Frolov and Prospal's cap hits) and possibly more. A significant amount of the cap will be eaten up by negotiating new deals for Callahan, Dubinsky, Boyle, Anisimov, and the other RFA. There is still some talk about the salary cap being increased next season and even if it isn't there might be some room for the Rangers to go after a free agent... but how much room?
The fact of the matter is I am happy that Semin and Moulson are off the market. Alex Semin has been a player many Ranger fans have been targeting this upcoming offseason along with Brad Richards. Alex Semin has an all-world wrist shot, he has an amazing nose for the net and he is pure offense. He also does not fit into the Rangers' system and style of play. This is a fact that we have to look dead in the face whenever we talk about players we wish we should go after. To me Alex Semin and John Tortorella seems like putting kittens dipped in oil into a spark factory, it wouldn't end well and there would be a lot of children crying. Reviews are mixed about Alex Semin but this much is clear; he is inconsistent and doesn't much care for the defensive part of the game. Matt Moulson looks like he will put up another 30 goal season playing for the abysmal New York Islanders, which is quite an accomplishment. I wouldn't mind Moulson becoming a Ranger but knowing how the Rangers handle free agency we would have overpaid for an overachieving player who will be 28 years old next year. There is also the issue of Moulson having that Islander stink on him, which I simply can't overlook.
As I said earlier, I am glad that some of these big targets are off the market. We have so many great young assets on the team now that we should invest in. The youth movement has been a long time coming for Ranger fans, and I would hate for it to be spoiled by the Rangers dealing away prospects and young players to bring in stars on the wrong side of 30 or inconsistent players with the potential to be stars. Undoubtedly Slats will go after one of the bigger UFA this upcoming off-season, hopefully it won't be Alex Frolov 2.0. I won't go into the cap room details anymore because there are several guys here on the Banter who can analyze it better than I can and I won't dare write another sentence about Brad Richards because frankly, I am tired of talking about it. At least we know we won't be paying $6.7 million for Alex ‘Bongos' Semin, the Rangers thankfully avoided that sticky situation.
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@DigDeepNYR
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+1
I agree. Semin is soft and Torts would chew him up and spit him out a shell of his former self.
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by truebluesince75 on Jan 28, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Seems like you guys like to vote on polls, so I thought I’d tag one on to this piece. Looks like it is going to hurt the amount of feedback and comments I get though, lol.
Glad you liked the piece, I can’t see why Semin would work any better with Torts than Frolov or Zherdev did.
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just to make dig feel better
I agree that we dodged a bullet with semin because he needs players like backstrom and ovehckin to be successful otherwise i just see semin as another kovalev, zherdev, frolov, basically your typical russian stereotype player
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Semin plays with Backstrom and Ovechkin 24.24% of the time and he plays with Laich and Perreualt (and Fleischmann before he was traded) about half as often. He does benefit from Backstrom, an amazing playmaker, and Ovechkin but I think he can produce offense on his own… just not nearly as much. It is my belief that Semin would be half the player he is in Washington if he played elsewhere, that system and that team suits his style perfectly.
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Great points
and I agree fully I don’t think that he could play in Tort’s aggressive fore checking system with out winding up in Le château bow wow. While he does have a world of talent I just think he’s too one dimensional to truly be an effective offensive force. I haven’t seen his stats but what are his numbers while Ovechkin has gone through his slump this year?
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Semin (who is currently on the IR and hasn’t played in several weeks) was a huge offensive force for the Capitals early in the year and was putting up more points than Ovechkin was. Semin has played 39 games and has 35 points, including 18 goals, Ovechkin has 51 points in as many games with 19 goals. They miss Semin’s goal scoring on that team.
I am not sure but I think the last time Semin scored was late November, he has been banged up for a while now and as I said, he is currently on the IR.
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well that surprises me
not that he’s injured but that he put up those kinds of numbers early on in the season with out ovechkin being as productive either I was wrong about him or it was just a hot streak
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Laich-Perrault-Semin has been more productive, ever so slightly, than the Ovi-Backstrom-Semin combination, albeit with a smaller sample.
I certainly wouldn’t have wanted him at $6.7m though.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
+1
I do have a hatred for soft Russian players. I know its stereotypical and there are those who buck the trend but it always got on my nerves.
Maybe its from watching Kovalev have all the talent to be a HOFamer and just never have the drive, intensity, consistency, … to make it work.
I will always support the grinder with less talent who works his ass off to be a better player and exceed his skill level (Graves, Callahan) than the player with loads of talent who doesn’t quite reach his potential.
by truebluesince75 on Jan 28, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Good article Dig. Yeah I’m glad Bongos is signed. Doesn’t fit our style, and I’m sure Staal wouldn’t want him here either haha. U say go with the kids, or pick up a younger Prospal, if he doesn’t come back, and we feel the need to sign anyone
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Jan 28, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Go with the kids and let Prospal, Frolov, and Fedotenko go. Maybe consider bringing back Eminger if we can get him for under $1 mill, but I don’t see that happening. He’d be a great 7th defenseman or a guy to come into the lineup if one of the kids struggles next year.
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this quote was in the Pierre LeBrun article on the signing on ESPN
“We prefer to see how business is going to be conducted going forward in the new CBA,” Semin’s agent, Todd Diamond, told ESPN.com on Thursday. “To sign a long-term deal without knowing what’s in store long-term with the CBA didn’t make sense to us.”
I found that to be an interesting strategy for an agent to take with a player of semin’s calibur who, one would assume, would want a long term deal
here’s the article
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Very interesting strategy considering how weak this upcoming offseason’s free agent market is and how much money he might command in an offer. He is also just entering the prime of his career (26 years old). He is getting a huge extension in terms of the amount he is making for one year though, if I was Semin I would have perhaps gone for a longer extension. It occurred to me that they might want to lock him up so he doesn’t waste time worrying about not being in Washington next year and can focus on lighting the lamp for Washington.
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he also didnt get any NTC or NMC, only backstrom and ovechkin have those which i also found to be a little strange
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haha...
when i heard about this last night…was waiting to see something like this…good call Dig.
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by Master Ov Brutality on Jan 28, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions
I think you nailed it on the head w/ the UFA/RFA situation for the Rangers. The only UFA I see possibly coming back is Fedotenko since he’s done pretty well and is a Torts guy.
I dont want Semin here. He’s got great talent but plays when he wants to. I get the impression that he’ll score a hat trick vs the bottom 5 teams in December but cant come through down 1 in April/May.
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Gaby carried the Wild to a Conf. Finals. I can see a desire and want to win from him…he can excel w/ the cast here. Semin struggles and is often streaky w/ the all start caliber talent in Washington. If you put Gaborik on a wing w/ Ovechkin & Backstrom he is not getting moved off of it for inconsistent performance like Semin. So no I dont think it sounds familiar at all…
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As I said before, I wasn't against Semin, if we used Gabby's money
And were bringing in Richards to play with him. Dubi-Richards-Semin could be a pretty legit 1st line, or even MZA-Richards-Semin to break up the talent a bit. On a one year deal I wouldn’t think twice about brining him in to play with Richards instead of Gabby.
Regarding Torts and Semin, I’m not sure that it would be that big a problem. We have holes in our lineup, and need to fill them with what available.Torts needs to come up with ways to make things work sometimes. Also, Gabby has been a dud this season, and Torts hasn’t ridden him as hard as he likes to ride younger, unproven guys. Again, since my interest in Semin would be contingent on getting Richards, I think if Richards was happy playing with Semin, then Torts would back off.
Looking at it now, I don’t think the one year contract is that crazy of an idea. Semin is a VERY good player, but I think he realizes he won’t ever see the type of money off the ice that Ovi is getting, and that Kovi wants to get, by playing in the NHL. I could see Semin walking away from the NHL for a truck full of KHL cash if the contract isn’t favorable, or benefiting from a free spending GM if the contract is more player friendly. Now that 12+ year, cap friendly, contracts are off the table, I think it’s in his best interest to wait it out.
I understand what you are saying Buck, you wanted to turn Gaborik’s money into a legitimate top line with a sniper and perhaps the best playmaking center in the game. I have one issue with the logic (other than Gaborik’s NTC)…
Again, since my interest in Semin would be contingent on getting Richards, I think if Richards was happy playing with Semin, then Torts would back off.
Seems like one too many variables to me, just hoping chemistry happens between two guys after you throw all kinds of money at them sounds too much like what the Rangers tried to make happen with Scott Gomez. It is always risky to do a complete re-vamp of a team by bringing in two huge stars like that and shipping one off. I might just be simplifying this but the devil we know is better than the devil we don’t know in regards to Gaborik and Semin.
I agree that Sasha might end up in the KHL a few years from now, especially if there is a big offer from a team there and if the league is still afloat.
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The difference between this and Gomez, is that we brought in Gomez and Drury, we never got Gomez the sniper he needed or Drury the two awesome wings he needed to carry his line while he staid out of the way.
Here we’d be putting the traditional combo of playmaker/sniper together. I think it would make sense to try to feel each player out in negotiations about working together, but it seems more likely the combo would work then not work. Richards has always seemed work well with a guy who can finish.
I wouldn’t look at that move as a “complete re-vamp”, instead I’d see it as us filling a HUGE hole in our lineup – top line talent. Use Gabby to bring in someone to fill other needs, and moving him also sends the message that it’s put up or shut up time. While we’ve been developing the young guys up here, we’ve been a bit more tolerant with players. This gives a little wake up call, and shows the whole team where turning a corner in where we are headed. Gabby’s disapearing acts when we need him the most are something we REALLY need to show these kids won’t be tolerated if we’re gonna be a contender.
by BuckarooClub on Jan 28, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Gomez played with Jagr and Straka in 2007-08 more often than any two players during ES. He didn’t have the same chemistry with Jagr (and Straka) that Nylander did. Gomer still put up 70 points but his linemate, Jagr, saw his production drop from 96 points with Nylander to 71 points with Gomez. Gomez also played with (a declining) Naslund and Zherdev but I know he isn’t a ‘pure sniper’ and not really comparable to Semin. My point is that you can’t just mash two players together and hope for chemistry, and when you invest a lot of money in two guys who have never played with each other and just kind of ‘hope’ it works out it is a big risk.
You are right, there could be a feeling-out process in negotiations about bringing in both of them and to see if they have chemistry but while that is happening they are getting offers from other teams and we might lose one or both of them to other offers, there are teams with a lot more cap than the Rangers have (even if they moved Gaborik’s salary off the books… which once again I have to point out the NTC).
I am a huge fan of playmaking centers and the impact they can have on a team, and I think that Brad Richards is a guy you have to try and go after because… well, he’s Brad Richards. A lot of this is moot now because of Semin getting re-signed but I don’t think we could have matched an offer like $6.7 mill for one year and frankly, I’d be very upset if the Rangers offered him that.
Who knows, maybe we’ll see Gaborik and Richards next season, my guess is that we probably won’t. It definitely was an intriguing idea you had, I have a few issues with it but I like the idea of having a legitimate scoring line that can produce in more than just spurts.
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Question: Are we willing to pay any player $6.7 mil, if so, who falls in that category…even if they aren’t available. I’m just trying to wrap my mind around what kind of player you/we think is representative of that salary.
I agree with the comments on Semin. He seems perfect for Washington, not so hot for the Rangers. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. One reason I ranked the Rangers high this year was that I saw us building a club that was designed not so much to be like the Capitals or Penguins, but to beat them in a 60 minute head-to-head. For my money, you’ve got to pick the Flyers, the Rangers (if healthy) or the Bruins, in that order, as favorites coming out of the Eastern conference.
Do we even need to shuffle the deck that much or should we ride out the injuries to see what kind of team we actually have? Chemistry is everything.
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$6.7m guys
Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Doughty, Sedins, Kesler, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Richards, Kopitar, Nash….umm….I’m sure there’s more..that’s the class though. Semin’s not in it.
I don’t think any goalie is worth that much. The truly elite…Lundqvist, Hiller, Luongo…I’d give them $6m tops.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds closer to correct. $5.5m, give or take 500k
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I would have stopped the list at Sedins...
Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Doughty, Sedins
Just to throw it out there
That contract is for a year. If we could make the moves to free up the money (Gabby) I’d give Semin a try.
Are we talking about 1 year or long term at 6.7 per.
by BuckarooClub on Jan 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking long term, but the list doesn’t change much for 1 year.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve gone into detail on my feelings about Gomez time here before, so I’ll keep it short, and elaborate if you need me to.
The first season was a mess. Jagr was converting to his “half court” game, and they wanted to make Gomez and Drury a line – why, I still don’t know. And then tried Gomez with Jagr, before Dubi finally got his big break when he came up and fit into Jagr’s game, and finished the season centering that line. The next season Naslaund got here and realized he lost a step, and I mostly remember Zherdev playing with Dubi. If the charts say different, I believe you though. Either way, my memories of Gomez’s second season were of him carrying the puck up ice and into the zone, and having no help when he got there.
Like you said, its over now, so it doesn’t really matter, though. I’d just like to see the team try to think a little bigger, a little sooner. I believe we’re ALOT closer then people think, we just have to make some things happen.
by BuckarooClub on Jan 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
completely agree on Semin
he’s worldly offensive threat but he’s one dimensional and he wouldn’t fit into the Rangers system.
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The price for Richards just went up though
there were few quality options on the UFA market to begin with, now its very very thin.
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There are a lot of d-men that are hitting the free agent market, the most intriguing to me is Pitkanen (one of the few guys under 30 that doesn’t have a serious injury history).
But you are right, there is a very shallow free agent pool with one big fish flopping around in it, everyone’s eyes are on it. Richards is going to get paid big time.
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I think eminger WILL be back. He has been a great value and cab probablÝ be had for equal money. Remeber, that’s aaron voros’ roster spot. He was a huge upgrade in vale from voros. Also, eminger is a torts kinda player.
Feds could be back as well. I think the injuries this year have demonstrated how important depth is. I remember many posters wanting tp trade away the excess at tjhe start of the season. I wonder if they still feel the same way.
I think, health permitting, prospal gets offered 1 mil to come back again, as insurance. If he ca,’t play its ltir.
I think the moulson deal is great for the rangers. Its a precedent of an ufa getting 3.1 mil a year for a 30 goal guy. That will help to bring the size of the duby and cally contracts down to reality. I think they both get 4 or 5 yr deals hopefully no more than 3.5 per yr
by GAThingy on Jan 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t see anyway that Prospal comes back for a second encore, but I suppose I should be fair and see what he has left in the tank when and if he gets back into the lineup this year (he just came off the IR…).
Prospal is 35 and will turn 36 about halfway into the 2011-12 season, I just don’t see him coming back as a good idea. There are better ways to spend that $1 mill, including making sure we re-sign all of our RFA kids.
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Prospal comes back as depth Only, provided he is healthy and can play. If he doesn’t make it this year, he gets an invite to camp to try and earn a spot, like feds this year.
I don’t think they can rely on CT next year.
by GAThingy on Jan 28, 2011 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve certainly changed my opinion on that. At the beginning of the season I was big on trading MDZ for a shut down d-man to rotate with Staal’s line. Now I don’t even advocate trading MDZ because we’ve demonstrated a level of depth that I didn’t expect. Saur, Gilroy’’s emergence, Eminger as you say, McD looking to be able to step into a steady position by next year. All of this has me leaning towards sitting tight. We can wait to see how MDZ develops it simply isn’t as urgent to me as I thought back in November.
On the other hand, I didn’t foresee Frolov being such a bust, didn’t predict AT ALL how successful MZA would turn out to be. When I watched him skate in pre-season it shook my confidence in his ability to play in the NHL…but this is a totally different ice hockey player than I witnessed back in the Fall. Honestly, he and Stepan are two of the smartest players I’ve watched on the ice in a long time. This overall “smarts” is a big reason for the Ranger’s transformation…
But I definitely didn’t predict us losing so many core guys. I thought Boyle would have a solid year but not THIS solid. I actually thought the person we’d be raving about was Anisimov. He’s having a great year but I thought he might be pushing 30 goals, not Boyle.
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Anisimov will get there…he’s just not there yet. He already has moments of brilliance, he’ll put it together.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
AA has shown more determination around the net and some amazing hands. I think he still has the potential to be something really special.
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This is his first year in a top 9 role. His production will probably end up around what Dubi’s was at around the same stage of his career. I follow another Rangers blog and there’s suggestions that if they can’t land Richards they should try to move AA + picks for Stephen Weiss…I was like WTF!?!?!
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also, for all the hooplah made of Boyle’s breakout year, he has 1 more point than AA. More goals, but AA has had some big ones this year. He also plays the PK and is out there a lot during the end of games and OT.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Boyle has had some huge goals this year too… and he’s been a big breath of fresh air on the PK…. I’m not ready to say one is more important than the other. We might be seeing Boyle’s ceiling – where as AA still has a ways to go.
Either way, I don’t want to move AA unless its part of package for someone that we KNOW will be better than him. I’m not sold on Weiss.
We might be seeing Boyle’s ceiling – where as AA still has a ways to go.
Good point. I also don’t want to move AA, he has a lot of potential and I think we are just starting to see him come out of his shell.
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I don’t see AA projecting to a #1 center; More like a #2. I think that is where the Rangers have him projected too. With Stephan, it might be too early to tell but he might peak as a #2 as well. Plus Boyle as a #3 if we think he caps there.
If one piece we are missing is that legit, dominate #1 C then I think you have to consider moving him for that piece. But it needs to be a legit #1; I agree, don’t think Weiss is that.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
There are maybe 10-12 of the typical “#1 centers” in the league. Many a fan base calls for that guy.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 28, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Anisimov is what 23? 24?
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by stonecoldcory on Jan 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
22. Born in May of 1988.
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Gotcha
So, still extremely young.
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by stonecoldcory on Jan 28, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
His inconsistancy is similar to dubi’s was. When. He finally goes all out for every game, he will be a very good player.
by GAThingy on Jan 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His inconsistancy is similar to dubi’s was
true – but I’m not sure it’s for the same reasons – He’s gone all out pretty often. I never really get the sense that he takes shifts off.
Same
He isn’t your typical Russian. AA is the type of player who has a great skill set, size, and he can skate. It’s more of just putting them all together, his work ethic and effort are always there, I never see him take a shift off and he’s always backchecking hard and is a decent two way player. He just needs to get stronger I think, sometimes you seem him just get pushed off the puck or lose it in the corner from a big hit or something. I think when he knows how to put everything together, he can be a great 1st or 2nd line center.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Tadpole
One of my favorite jeers at the Garden and it would have to end if he signed with us. Much happier this way.
by Blueshirts Rock on Jan 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
“He also does not fit into the Rangers’ system and style of play. This is a fact that we have to look dead in the face whenever we talk about players we wish we should go after. To me Alex Semin and John Tortorella seems like putting kittens dipped in oil into a spark factory, it wouldn’t end well and there would be a lot of children crying.”
Very well put in a sick kind of way.
What you haven’t dipped a kitty in oil and put it in a factory full of sparks?
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"In Prust we Trust."
I dunno if the factory would let the kids in, I think there’s probably safety rules about that.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Enigmatic Russian
Haven’t we been down that road before? No thanks.
Does anyone realize that Step and MZ are rookies? These are first year kids playing top line minutes and holding their own and then some. Save the money – we’re gonna need it when they get a couple years under their belts and are NHL elite players.
Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York!
For the empty net, Mark Messier... do you believe it?! Do you believe it?! He said we will win game 6 - he has just picked up the hat trick!
an observation
for anyone who watches the league. have you ever noticed that “enigma” and “class act” are two different euphemisms used in similar ways for the nhl and nfl respectively?
NO BRAD RICHARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got two words for you all Chris Krieder. That’s why we don’t need no Brad Richards. Is B-rad a solid top line center, yes (for now); is he worth backing up a money truck for – ABSOLUTELY NOT.
So what Stepan and boyle, and Anisimov are playing well against pretty much everyone. Maybe it’s a fluke, maybe these guys have hit they’re potential – no matter how much of a cynic you want to be about our stock of centers, Chris Krieder is your superman.
He’s excelled at every level he’s played at. Blindingly fast with great hands. He knows how to win and score timely goals or set them up from all over the ice. He is the real deal. So signing Richards means this kid won’t play next year which means we lose out for the foreseeable future.
We made this mistake 17 years ago, we traded our talented kids for veterans and we won it all ONCE. How many more could there have been?
While we wouldn’t be trading for Richards but it would have the same effect, depriving talent of the chance to become prime time and definitely hurting the development of our core.
=)
With Semin and Moulson coming off of the free agent Market Brad Richards stands to demand a king’s ransom not only in his money but the amount of years he can command. Perhaps he would have got offers in the 4-5 year range but he may very well find himself entertaining offers of 6-7 years with teams taking him and his cap hit on much longer than they would like.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"In Prust we Trust."
When I looked at other teams cap situations and weighed who needs a center a couple of teams stuck out at me. St. Louis and Buffalo. They both have tons of cap space going into next year and Richards would provide a top notch center for two teams sorely lacking offensive punch.
Add in that if Marc Savard retires, the Bruins could be in the market for a new center. They also have Michael Ryder’s deal coming off the books and that might be enough cap room.
If the Rangers were to get in on Richards they’d need to figure out a few things before they could offer a deal. A buy out of Drury, maybe seeing if they can get Redden to refuse his assignment to the AHL next year and terminate his deal, not to mention their offers for all of their RFAs. IMO, the Rangers have too much going on in their own house to really make an aggressive offer.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think Slats will find a way to put in an offer of some kind to Richards but I think you may be right, the Rangers will likely not be able to offer what other teams will be able to.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"In Prust we Trust."
I’m really thinking that they work out an agreement with Redden where he refuses his next AHL assignment in order to become a UFA. Even if the guy is a shell of his former self, he’s still a guy that did some pretty nice work in the NHL earlier in his career and I’m sure he wants to return to the league. There’s just no way that can happen with the Rangers. He’s leaving a significant amount of money on the table if he walks, but he should have enough by now in order to be set for life. He’ll also still be getting paid 7 figures (albeit lower figures) if he finds a new team.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I got 3 words for you…not a center.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Echo what some others have said above…
The allure of Richards is tempting – I have to admit, I’d love to see him on the team…. BUT considering the years and the cap hit it’ll take to snag him, I’d much rather be patient with the youth movement.
I know Hank’s not getting any younger, but I think there’s still plenty of time left to win it all with him. We’re finally developing in the right way; let’s not f*ck it up.
I look at it that as the D matures they’ll take some of the load off of Lundqvist. The teams goals against since the Rozsival trade is already pretty solid, I mean they shut out Vancouver with a very young blueline. McD reminds me of Staal as a rookie. Having two guys like that would make for many easy nights for Lundqvist in net.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
richards
no chance in hell this would work, but…..
go to him on july 1st, ask him what he wants to do for the next few years; the rangers are an up and coming team, projecting to be a legit contender in a year, maybe less depending on a few things
tell brad “ok, three years, 6 mil per, talk to mr. messier here, he’ll tell you what happens when you come to new york and kick ass and win, if you do that there will be more money to follow, if you’d rather go to toronto for a lot more money, more pressure, and more troubles then knock yourself out, here you’d play with torts and be part of a really good team on the upswing, tell us what’s important”
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?"
Maybe we should have you send Richards a video message like the one that Drury sent Gaborik.
The Torts connection is important to remember. I hope something like this could work, because getting him at something like 3 yrs $6 mill per would be a dream. It might be in the cards but I think he will get more money and a longer contract because the market is just so damn thin now.
@DigDeepNYR
"I like a man who grins when he fights." -Sir Winston Churchill
"In Prust we Trust."
I think too much is made out the Torts connection. When was the last time you heard a player saying he signed for a certain team because of the coach? If he signs here it will be because the Rangers made him filthy stinking rich.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit
there’s gotta be a reason guys will take pay cuts to play there
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" Evgeny Nabakov on Garth Snow
In Prust We Trust
Richards, Dollars, and Cents.
The Dallas bankruptcy situation will probably mean that Richards has a very good chance of signing there.
Any prospective owner will want to lock up Richards to ensure a return on investment because, right now with Richards they are a playoff team and perhaps will end up being a contender after all is said and done this season; essentially meaning that Richards is the one putting fans’ butts in the seats and with him goes the the easiest opportunity to make a profit on buying a team in such disarray
I’m not sure how we dodged a bullet….price for Richards just went up.
And probably the price to resign Dubi and Cally for that matter looking at the money Moulson got.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions
I think the $3.5-$4.0M was the range a lot of people here were expecting for Dubi and Cally using the Backes and Giroux deals as comparables.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m betting that Dubi holds out for more than 4mil
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Very bold for a guy with one 20 goal season under his belt and considering Marc Staal got less than $4M with the importance the organization attaches to him, I just don’t see it happening.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
The > $4M pay out, not the hold out.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jan 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that was what he was asking for his last contract. It obviously depends on how many FA years he gives up but with new CBA coming Slats might not want to go long term.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
This team finally has an identity and with that comes the additional knowledge of what type of player fits with the team. It must be obvious to all involved that Semin in not that player.
Richards on the other hand… I think if they cant get him they wont do much, unless a top 4 dman with PP skill comes on the market.
We have the luxury of biding our time for the right person.
by Blueshirt in Paris on Jan 28, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions
a roster assuming 62 cap
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
Nashville always has $ concerns and we have Kudratek Valentenko Mcil and Pashnin as quality D prospects so I could see a deal getting done. Adding another absolute stud D who is 25 never hurts…Put Kreider or maybe Grachev in Prust’s third line spot and move Prust to the 4th…I like richards and it could get done but with the market idk how you can get him at something like 7.5 for less than 5 yrs which is too long.
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.500m) / Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
/ Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Tim Kennedy ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Shea Weber ($5.500m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.500m) / Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) /Martin Biron ($0.875m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,762,500; BONUSES: $1,487,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $2,637,500

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